American Women

[Darkseid]

I think CBGB got too violent with Johan that is why Jackson cut out a huge number of postings. There is no point in picking fights in this forum but this forum should be about discusing our problems with most American women and their over moral and snobbish issues with men. CBGB, stop threatening people on this forum because it will get you nowhere. It is okay to express your disagreement but don't talk about punching people out.

[Rubber Nursey]

Seems to be a hell of a lot of this section missing all of a sudden...
Good call I think, Jackson

[Prokofiev]

David & LotsA,
Sounds like some guys from Phoenix ought to go to NYC to even things out . . .
And no, I realize that ANY dancing is hard work and it's not JUST to meet women. But having seen several tango films + the "Tango Argentino" and "Forever Tango" shows, I can't help but think how "right" this dance looks. The "macho" attitude makes everything else seem kinda "fruity" including Salsa. Plus all these shows will feature several older couples (50's or 60's) - and it still works. Ever see guys in their 50's or 60's disco dancing? Pretty damn sad. So I'm planning for the next 25 years instead of looking back to my 20's. Plus I hope to be in Buenos Aires next year. Thanks for the info. - P

[David]

Prokofiev

"Say it isn't so! The Tango is NOT a great way to meet women? How is that possible? I had been planning to make tango my next "new project"! Explain please before I make a terrible mistake . . ."

*For Me* it isn't a great way ... namely, because I live in Arizona. The "Tango Community" here is *very* small. I suspect there are around a dozen women I see in the one small weekly Milonga they have in Phoenix. Most of the women are 20 years my senior. That leaves a *very* small pool. Moreover, in the past month the guy/girl ratio has been something like 3/2.

While the (Argentine) Tango might be a great way to *romance* women, whether it is a great way to meet women (seems) to depend on your location. As Lotsafun meantioned, in NYC there is a large Argentine Tango community.

However, let me caution you ... don't learn Argentine Tango *just* to meet women. If that is your goal, then you would have to invest a lot of time that could (probably) be better spent in other ways.

Still, if you want to learn to dance, it isn't (at all) a bad dance to choose as a "first dance". As far as meeting women goes, it seems like Salsa and Swing are a bit more poplular. (Even in NYC, dancing Tango, you can probably get a passing acquaintance with all of your potential mates in a year or two ... the same thing couldn't be said of Salsa or Swing).

Smiles,
David

P.S. Don't let me scare you away from Argentine Tango, even with all I've said, it probably is (or at least, can be) one of the most intimate of dances, and it teaches you things that will help you in an almost any other type of dancing. There is a wonderful focus on connection to music, and connection with partner.

[CBGBConnisur]

Brett, you should check out the NBC Dateline website, there's an interesting article about fat in the American diet, where NBC reporter Josh Mankiewicz talks about his experience with weight loss. You wouldn't believe what he said, but he lost weight eating steak everday!! He mentioned he didn't even excercise that much while he was on this diet and lost almost 47 pounds in a year! I'm not kidding. He was referring to the Atkins Diet, where you can eat high fat foods but have to avoid sugars and starches. We Americans have been duped into thinking that a high carbohydrate low fat diet is healthier for our weight, we've been fooled. I just picked up a copy of the New York Post today, this reporter didn't blink about saying that America has become a fat country, and its not because we're inactive in fact everyone I know goes the the gym and we excercise more than Europeans. He pointed out to Hungary where the food is notorious for its high fat content and noticed that he didn't see a single fat person.
When I met a German woman here in New York, she was almost 42 and didn't have an ounce of fat on her yet she ate a of fatty foods, when we went out I used to order all the 'healthy' things and she used to order a lot of things that you would consider fat, yet she was thin and I was just ok, I work out, but I still have trouble staying thin. Then it all clicked she avoided sugar completely and didn't drink fruit juices or ate starchy foods. I remember she would have a steak and salad. And I would often have pasta and a little bit of bread. So I guess I figured out her secret. PS she didn't work out at all.

[LotsaFun]

Originally posted by Prokofiev
David,
Say it isn't so! The Tango is NOT a great way to meet women? How is that possible? I had been planning to make tango my next "new project"! Explain please before I make a terrible mistake . . .

Well, in NYC City there are at least a couple places every night that have Tango dances (Milongas, Practicas) as well as tango Classes. There are lots of available ladies at these dances. More women than men.

Hi guys (and ladies) I have not posted on this american women board, but I have been reading it for a few weeks now and I have enjoyed the intelligent (and the less than intelligent) points of view here.
I am from Boston so I get up to Montreal a couple of times a year. I can confirm that Montreal should be considered one of the worlds great places to go for a sex vacation. Outcall sex is legal there and they don't play the con games that are common in the USA, also because of the exchange rates the prices are low. Its also a great city to enjoy and your costs for most things will be much lower than in the United States. (ciggarettes, liquor and gas are not cheaper because of taxes)

On the McDonalds statistics; I have been to Paris and I have also noticed that the women in Paris as a group are fairly thin. I have also noticed though that the food served around Paris is very high in fat. The reason everything there tastes so damn good is that everything is loaded with butter. Also if you have ever eaten traditional British food you will agree that most of it is also loaded with fat.
This is just my observation, but has anybody else noticed that if you walk into a discount store like say,,K Mart or Wall Mart,,,most of the customers are overweight. In more upscale stores or in places that attract a more educated crowd most people are much more trim.
Adding my two cents on meeting women,,,,clubs are a waste of time if your going there just to meet women. Women will want to know you a bit before they get involved with you, and they can't do that in twenty minutes of shouting over loud music. I have mostly met women through friends, but any social or volunteer activity that allows you to spend time with other people is a good bet. You can't think of it as a one day thing, it takes a little time for her to get to know you and you her. Also resist the urge to tell all about your acomplishments, you don't have to impress her.

[CBGBConnisur]

I read some interesting statistics, there are about 46 McDonalds in the US for every 1 million people, in most European countries its about a fraction of that, for example in Britain there are about 18.3 McDonald's for every 1 million people, In France there are 14.4. So we eat a lot more fast food and its making us very unhealthy it's no wonder when I walk out of the house why I see so many fat people.

[Prokofiev]

Miller

"Basing your social life on the "pick up" is like planning your monthly budget by playing the lottery."

Very good line! And very true . . You are turning into the "Shakespeare" of WSG posts.

[Prokofiev]

David,
Say it isn't so! The Tango is NOT a great way to meet women? How is that possible? I had been planning to make tango my next "new project"! Explain please before I make a terrible mistake . . .

[CBGBConnisur]

I just came back for the weekend from Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Now I am really starting to wonder why I have more luck abroad, is it me? Or is it the women? I met a nice French Canadian hottie that looked like Christie Turlington, real real sweet. Better than the he-females I keep running into in Manhattan.

[David]

Miller2k,

I agree with you on virtually everything you've said in that last post.

Yesterday I went to a club with a friend (trying out the "pick-up" model). It failed miserably. I'm not particularly hot stuff, but I'm also not not particularly hot stuff (and the guy to girl ratio was pretty favorable that night). *Shrugs*.

It really does seem that the way to mate and relate is bound up in meeting women in your everyday life. *Sighs*. I could definitely use some help in that area (although I am improving).

However, I wonder about having "passion" as a women-drawer. I would say I'm passionate about Argentine Tango (the dance) ... stereotypically you would think this would be a great way to meet women, but in reality, it is a horrible way (because of my location). So my "passion" just doesn't help. Likewise, I would say I'm passionate about some of the music I listen to, but ... well, that just doesn't do it. *Shrugs*.


David

P.S. The women at the aforementioned club were (on average) nice looking.

[Mill Just]

Man, oh Man...I sure hope we don't run off another female poster on this board. For the guys having problems with American women--Isn't this pattern so familiar for you? Meet a woman, don't listen to what she's saying, insult her, get quasi-violent, and then whine about how women are so terrible. RN, don't ever leave...you demonstrate why men need women...

Fed up...Maybe your little change of topic was tongue in cheek, but you did raise a good point. Instead of the usual pity party in here ("Girls are bad, Men are good"), maybe a more constructive topic would be "How to meet American Women." Most men work under the assumption that potential relationship material can be "picked up". This is not the case. Basing your social life on the "pick up" is like planning your monthly budget by playing the lottery. Luck will shine on you every so often, but don't count on it. My suggestion for everyone is to just forget about women for a while and do something that you're passionate about. (Art, finance, sports, whatever) When women get a gander at your passion, they will approach you. Once again, I'm not bragging, but every women that I've ever had a relationship with has approached me. I immersed myself in my writing and often did readings of my poetry and prose. Regardless of my lack of conventional good-looks and wealth, women began to talk to me. Most men here think that women are attracted to monetary wealth primarily, but this is a mis-conception. Women are attracted to passion in all forms (Of course, as with anything, there are always exceptions). The thinking is "If he's passionate about working out (or whatever) then he must be passionate about other things (sex, romance, whatever). It just so happens that passionate people often happen to be successful financially, but I know many women who are head over heels in love with poor, but exciting men.
Proko has the right idea, if something is broken, fix it. If you don't choose to fix it, then you must like where you're at.
CBGB...for the life of me I just can't figure out why you are still in the USA if you want to be in Europe so bad. I travelled around a bit and fell in love with Mexico, so I decided to stay. Everything else just worked itself out. If you feel so strongly about something, then do it. Anything worthwhile is worth taking a risk for. And with regards to your comparison between the woman on the Metro in France and the woman on the subway in New York: Maybe the men in France are generally more respectful of women, so the French lady didn't feel the need to be so defensive. And maybe the New Yorker needs that defensive attitude to fend off the weirdos and perverts who come on to her constantly in very inapropriate ways. Ask any attractive, American woman and she will read off a whole laundry list of dangerous and/or weird situations that she's encountered in her daily life. Are American women more defensive/cold toward strangers? Maybe. But this is the case because they need to be this way in order to stay safe.

[Rubber Nursey]

Prokofiev,

I am sorry if I misread your intentions. The soliciting jibe and then the question mark after the word "former", kinda made me a bit defensive. And remember when we had that little problem way back, regarding my ad in the Oz section? And the...ummm...300lb American trucker accusation?? lol

I could be wrong, but I think I first posted on this site in October 2001. (Getting very close to my anniversary! lol) In that time I have always made it clear that ANY questions, so long as they aren't cruel or an insult to my intelligence, are appropriate to ask. That's the main reason why I'm here. If you don't ask, you don't know. I'm more than happy to give a female and/or sex worker perspective when it's asked for. And considering I'm practically the only woman who hangs out here...who else would you ask! I am rarely offended by anything that isn't outright flaming.

If you honestly want to know about brothel politics Proko, we have often discussed that sort of thing in the Morality section. Maybe we could take that discussion there? We've also been discussing mandatory testing lately.

[Prokofiev]

Those questions were very much "legitimate" and I am thankful for your honest (and rather complete!) answers. They were NOT meant to be offensive in the slightest. Nor Mr Stranger, do I think they were "out of line". This is a forum dedicated to sex with call girls, SW's and prostitutes. The who, where, how, how much, and how often is discussed in minute detail. If this type of discussion offends YOU then you shouldn't be here, since that is the ENTIRE POINT of the WSG site. What I find offensive is the continual attack on American Women as fat, greedy, unattractive and unsuitable for a relationship - repeated over and over again without adding any insight. All my WSG posts have been pro-woman, pro-safe sex, and repectful to sex workers. Although I have offered advice and information, I am more interested in learning from others and addressing questionable facts and behaviors (i.e AIDS and safe sex). If I can't ask RN these type of questions, who would I ask? Why would any of us post here if we weren't interested in these topics? Why would a woman put 100's of posts on this site about prostitution and find questions about it unsuitable?
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As to your answers, 60% wanted anal stimulation? That is a big surprise to me. 80% was enjoyable? I'm happy for you - although I can't believe that is true for most women. But it would be nice.
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Since this whole topic of Australian brothels has little to do with American Women, I will contemplate the rest elsewhere before I get flamed yet again. We can now return to complaining about the USA and whining about not getting laid. Enjoy . . .