Bangkok Reports

[Syzygies]

Syzy, before an army of of ISG readers go marching out to ask their Thai girls these questions, I must point out that you changed the way I worded the quesitons in my earlier post and in a way that I suspect makes a significant difference. Particularly with Thai P4P girls, it might mean all the difference in the world.

I worded my questions "Will you?" but I think you provided translations for "Can you?" questions. At least, that is how you worded the English versions of them. I should have mentioned it earlier but I didn't catch it right away.

Of course, virtually every girl in the world "can" do the things I mentioned. Therefore, those are not very important questions in these situations. The key question, always, is "will" she do them for you. This is particularly pertinent to interactions with Thai P4P girls, who I have found tend to seize upon any opportunity to play word games in this regard in order to make the customer think she has agreed to something she has not; her saying "ok" in response to any question sexual or otherwise rather than a clear and unambiguous "yes" being the most common one in my experience.

Will you also provide the translations for "Will you?" do the things I mentioned rather than merely "Can you?" hehe

Thanks.

It is normal when requesting things in Thai language to ask "can you do something?" it is a request. If they answer "dai" meaning yes they can, it is essentially meaning they agree to give it. Thai maybe does not have the same semantical differences as English. Also it is unwise to assume that a basic English translation has exactly the same meaning or feel as the Thai words have. "dai mai" is the normal way to request someone to do something. You can regard it as meaning "can you?", "do you agree to?", not so much "are you capable of doing?" although could have this meaning in another context. "wai mai" means "are you physically up to doing something?" (not too exhausted or too sick to do it). Sometimes "dai mai" means "do I have permission to do something?". "bpen mai" means "do you know how to do" something?

If you asked a Thai, "will you", it is not a request, but more asking them to predict the future. The common answer then might be "naa ja tham" meaning "I probably should do it". No one can guarantee what will happen in the future.

If a Thai says they "will do something" the true meaning is they might do it. If they say they might do it, the true meaning is they probably will not do it. If they say they is no way they could possibly do it, they still might do it. Thais are just that unreliable. They typically exaggerate. So nothing they promise can be taken as 100% certain.

Feel free to check out my Thai translations with some girls to see if I got correct. I am very confident girls would not misunderstand if I asked them this way. I have 25 years experience since I started learning Thai. My Thai GF does not speak English and we have been together for 12 Years.

[Syzygies]

Have to say I have met an awful lot of Thai girls over the past 5 years or so dancing in go-go bars, freelancing in and out of the clubs, posting on the dating sites, working in restaurants and mall shops that apparently are quite alright having sex with "psychos" in this regard. Good lord, what must the girls think of the men who stand before a line up and ask for a show of hands if they are ready for a bit of ass licking/rimming and butt fucking? They must suspect those guys just killed a guard and escaped an Insane Asylum 90 minutes ahead of the arrival of the police.

There were famous girls at Tulip who customers thought swallowed, but actually very stealthily got rid of the cum often without the customer knowing. LOL.

I also go by casual conservation with girls reluctantly working in porn star shops and reporting a high percentage of customers as somewhat psycho in their opinions. Does not mean they cannot accept the deal. Just I am aware a fairly high percentage of Thai girls are not considering cum swallowing to be normal nor providing it.

Some Tulip girls specifically told me that they don't do it, even though I never requested it. If you want a really strong GFE experience, sometimes the girl really needs to like your attitude and preferences (not only get money), so I try not to risk spoiling the girls opinion of me. I don't usually ask for things that I think might be a turn off for the girl, because I look for her to enjoy herself as far as possible, which somehow has a psychological effect on my enjoyment as well.

I collect regular girls that seem to be able to have a really good time on the bed. Each to their own way, of course.

[Syzygies]

I was in crazy house a few nights ago and I noticed a few times that guys taking girls out seemed to be paying.

The moma san up front for the bar fine and the pay for the lady.

Is this the way it has to be in crazy house?

It depends. Well known customers like me never pay up front. I rarely even had to discuss the price with the girl. If a customer is not trusted to pay fairly or according to agreement reached, then girls who have been ripped off before may be scared can happen again, and may ask for payment up front. I don't like to pay suspect girls up front myself (I never do in bars so far). I prefer it when the price is not discussed giving me the option to decide what is fair after 2 hours of fabulous DFK fucking or an abort after 10 minutes with straight stiff legged dick scared girls, or somewhere in between.

I am not stingy. I pay well when it is deserved and I got a good reputation with mamasans and girls.

[Franciscass]

I agree the ladies are not overly impressed with farangs who pick up the lingo especially those that insist on communicating with them in Thai. I feel they prefer that invisible protective barrier of we not understanding what they are talking about when they are chatting amongst themselves. They will be far more impressed and interested in your generosity and your respect for them.

I do feel strongly that everybody needs to respect the culture of the country they are visiting no matter how odd or even difficult to understand. However in the p4 p world there should be no set rules on what you can ask for, what is available will be determined by the individual providers and all over the world no matter your preferences you will find somebody willing to provide them.

A lot gets written on the lack of sincerity of Thai working girls and their obsession on fleecing the farang. Yes of course it's there but I don't buy the argument that it's as all consuming and as pervasive as some suggest.

[Mr Enternational]

In my opinion members who say Thai girls consider certain requests as the behavior of a psycho (insane mad dangerous) are really showing what sexual practices they themselves consider not quite kosher.

A walk down Soi 6 in Pattaya will fix that. They will leave thinking those chicks are psycho, insane, mad, and dangerous.

[Playboy2001]

I think a perfect complementary example is when Indians who are "fresh off the boat" come to America. Even though they can speak English well, they are still very foreign and will be forever. They look, smell, talk different and all have an "Indian-ness" about them that will NEVER go away. Unlike Indians who were born and raised in America. So a falang can never, ever, ever actually be like a Thai unless they were actually bred in Thailand from a young age (there are none except half-breeds). The best that a real falang (like us) can do is become an imitator (trying to hard, turn off and also self deprecating), imitating at better levels. And yes, sticking to their original identity is far better. It's just a branding thing.

However, that doesn't mean learning Thai is a bad idea. It's like having the keys to the kingdom. You can communicate with everyone else sufficiently. Someone steals your shit in a market, you can call them out. So, just sticking to communication is best and avoiding the intricacies of Thai culture and the kind of Thai needed for real deep and meaningful pillow talk (as I think you are saying). It just won't work in a head-on manner as a white guy has that branding going for him, he should embrace it. Yes, trying to be Thai is over-the-top corny at best. Another thing about "proper branding" is that I was "getting it for free" from a hooker because she just wanted to show-off and make her friends envious that she had (another) falang gik (and / or she alluded to me sponsoring her since my condo looks nice). She basically came over about 20 x times, snapped photos and bragged to her friends back home (and hooker friends also, separate chats). Much better than posting pictures from her soapy / brothel since everyone knows what it looks like online. Stick with the falang branding, that's all Thai's understand. But do learn Thai for basic communication, but not Thai-level articulation / participation. It's actually a step down in appearances as it makes it look like the falang is trying too hard and has too much free time to learn a useless (in his home) language.

Lastly, different Thai women will "advise" against their falang gik / BF / husband / sponsor learning Thai for different reasons. One thing to note, they are NOT on your side, ever. They are on their families side first, and all the other hookers in Thailand side second (yes, they all take up for each other and have empathy for each other, like a common plight). They are only drawn to the money / status-symbol of having the falang brand. Heck Isaan women will brag about having a geriatric sugar daddy on their main facebook that their family / village sees. They don't want you to learn Thai, because it will disrupt their plans / manipulations more so than it will make their panties less wet. Women don't give direct advice / tips on how to turn them on, but they do give direct "advice / tips" with regards to manipulating falangs.

Is it not a kind of racist post against a particular community, which we should avoid IMHO on this common forum.

[Tomba1808]

I was in crazy house a few nights ago and I noticed a few times that guys taking girls out seemed to be paying.

The moma san up front for the bar fine and the pay for the lady.

Is this the way it has to be in crazy house?

[Soroche]

Well, I do believe one could argue that many if not most Thai girls are not used to having those questions or actions asked of them since it is contrary to their culture. To which I say, "So what?" Perhaps "Great!" is a better reaction.

While many of us fret over getting the wai just right, the this "khrup" or that "khrup" in there, not pointing our toes toward whatever, not touching a person's head in public and so on, embracing Thai culture too much is a big mistake for our purposes here imo. After living with and being married to a Bangkok born and raised Thai woman for 12+ years, visiting Thailand many times in the past and now having lived here full time for about 5 years, partaking sexually of literally hundreds of different Thai go-go dancers, bar girls, freelancers, regular non P4P dating girls and so on, it is my humble opinion that one never wants to lose his "Farang-ness" by trying to turn himself into some kind of imitation Thai man except one taller, with lighter skin and a bigger dick. That runs the risk of presenting these women with something they long ago found dull as dishwater about their Thai men and robs you of the very thing that stimulates and intrigues them into wanting to impress you with what they can and will do sexually. Yes, even more than the color of our skin, the size of our dicks, the bridge of our noses and the money we can pay them.

The money will certainly get you the basic standard Thai fare in the bedroom, no doubt about it. The kind of standard most Thai men are used to getting from their women. But it is your Farang-ness that will get you the enthusiastic bareback and/or BBBJ CIM (with or without Swallowing at the end) that is much more the standard in western culture. Because it is mercifully different from what they are used to. You see these girls jumping at the chance to be with Japanese guys? But you don't see those Japanese guys trying their best to come off as "Thai" for those girls, right? Hell no. They unabashedly and without apology maintain their Japanese ways and, shrewdly, expect the Thai girl they are with to get her shit together and accommodate them. That is not only much more interesting and intriguing to these females, it is generally a more masculine approach anyway and being more masculine almost always delivers more rewards from women than the alternative..

I have to commend you for putting together in one post all the experiences, observations and assumptions I have had over the past 10 years of living here but was unable to verbalize. I can confirm everything you wrote about from personal experience but it took many years to acquire that basic level of understanding with a fair amount of frustration and pain along the way.

[ParkVille]

You might even hear many Thai women say they would rather you not learn to speak Thai so well, just a few of the basics is fine. Well, I used to think that was because they didn't want us to overhear and understand what they were saying about us. LOL. That might be part of it. But I have since come to believe it is more because they really don't want us to "become" more Thai. It just doesn't look or feel right to them. And, more pertinent to our purposes here, it is not the least bit sexier to them. Trying to speak some of the basics is cute, charming and even sexy to them. You are trying, demonstrating courage in doing so and not afraid to make a mistake along the way. And that is also a very masculine trait. But rattling off reams of fluent Thai expressions and getting all the cultural behaviors right is not sexier to them. In fact, it more often than not can generate quite the opposite reaction.

I think a perfect complementary example is when Indians who are "fresh off the boat" come to America. Even though they can speak English well, they are still very foreign and will be forever. They look, smell, talk different and all have an "Indian-ness" about them that will NEVER go away. Unlike Indians who were born and raised in America. So a falang can never, ever, ever actually be like a Thai unless they were actually bred in Thailand from a young age (there are none except half-breeds). The best that a real falang (like us) can do is become an imitator (trying to hard, turn off and also self deprecating), imitating at better levels. And yes, sticking to their original identity is far better. It's just a branding thing.

However, that doesn't mean learning Thai is a bad idea. It's like having the keys to the kingdom. You can communicate with everyone else sufficiently. Someone steals your shit in a market, you can call them out. So, just sticking to communication is best and avoiding the intricacies of Thai culture and the kind of Thai needed for real deep and meaningful pillow talk (as I think you are saying). It just won't work in a head-on manner as a white guy has that branding going for him, he should embrace it. Yes, trying to be Thai is over-the-top corny at best. Another thing about "proper branding" is that I was "getting it for free" from a hooker because she just wanted to show-off and make her friends envious that she had (another) falang gik (and / or she alluded to me sponsoring her since my condo looks nice). She basically came over about 20 x times, snapped photos and bragged to her friends back home (and hooker friends also, separate chats). Much better than posting pictures from her soapy / brothel since everyone knows what it looks like online. Stick with the falang branding, that's all Thai's understand. But do learn Thai for basic communication, but not Thai-level articulation / participation. It's actually a step down in appearances as it makes it look like the falang is trying too hard and has too much free time to learn a useless (in his home) language.

Lastly, different Thai women will "advise" against their falang gik / BF / husband / sponsor learning Thai for different reasons. One thing to note, they are NOT on your side, ever. They are on their families side first, and all the other hookers in Thailand side second (yes, they all take up for each other and have empathy for each other, like a common plight). They are only drawn to the money / status-symbol of having the falang brand. Heck Isaan women will brag about having a geriatric sugar daddy on their main facebook that their family / village sees. They don't want you to learn Thai, because it will disrupt their plans / manipulations more so than it will make their panties less wet. Women don't give direct advice / tips on how to turn them on, but they do give direct "advice / tips" with regards to manipulating falangs.

[EihTooms]

In my opinion members who say Thai girls consider certain requests as the behavior of a psycho (insane mad dangerous) are really showing what sexual practices they themselves consider not quite kosher. Fisting swallowing to name two recent examples are simply sexual preferences not what most people desire but perfectly acceptable between consenting adults. With some 20 years experience of knowing Thai working girls I don't believe they are repulsed if asked if they can provide particular services. They simply tell the customer they don't provide that service in the same way they will say they do not provide anal CIM rimming kissing to name some common no's.

Well, I do believe one could argue that many if not most Thai girls are not used to having those questions or actions asked of them since it is contrary to their culture. To which I say, "So what?" Perhaps "Great!" is a better reaction.

While many of us fret over getting the wai just right, the this "khrup" or that "khrup" in there, not pointing our toes toward whatever, not touching a person's head in public and so on, embracing Thai culture too much is a big mistake for our purposes here imo. After living with and being married to a Bangkok born and raised Thai woman for 12+ years, visiting Thailand many times in the past and now having lived here full time for about 5 years, partaking sexually of literally hundreds of different Thai go-go dancers, bar girls, freelancers, regular non P4P dating girls and so on, it is my humble opinion that one never wants to lose his "Farang-ness" by trying to turn himself into some kind of imitation Thai man except one taller, with lighter skin and a bigger dick. That runs the risk of presenting these women with something they long ago found dull as dishwater about their Thai men and robs you of the very thing that stimulates and intrigues them into wanting to impress you with what they can and will do sexually. Yes, even more than the color of our skin, the size of our dicks, the bridge of our noses and the money we can pay them.

The money will certainly get you the basic standard Thai fare in the bedroom, no doubt about it. The kind of standard most Thai men are used to getting from their women. But it is your Farang-ness that will get you the enthusiastic bareback and/or BBBJ CIM (with or without Swallowing at the end) that is much more the standard in western culture. Because it is mercifully different from what they are used to. You see these girls jumping at the chance to be with Japanese guys? But you don't see those Japanese guys trying their best to come off as "Thai" for those girls, right? Hell no. They unabashedly and without apology maintain their Japanese ways and, shrewdly, expect the Thai girl they are with to get her shit together and accommodate them. That is not only much more interesting and intriguing to these females, it is generally a more masculine approach anyway and being more masculine almost always delivers more rewards from women than the alternative.

If anything, digging deeper and longer with more articulate, better educated and more honest Thai women reveals that many of them are turned off by Farangs trying too hard to behave like a real Thai. Seriously. They will among themselves deride and mock the behavior. It can be a real turn off for them. That isn't the thing about you that gets them wet. Being direct, being bold about what you want and essentially challenging them to up their game and deliver what you expect is much more stimulating to them than demonstrating a remarkable fluency with the language.

You might even hear many Thai women say they would rather you not learn to speak Thai so well, just a few of the basics is fine. Well, I used to think that was because they didn't want us to overhear and understand what they were saying about us. LOL. That might be part of it. But I have since come to believe it is more because they really don't want us to "become" more Thai. It just doesn't look or feel right to them. And, more pertinent to our purposes here, it is not the least bit sexier to them. Trying to speak some of the basics is cute, charming and even sexy to them. You are trying, demonstrating courage in doing so and not afraid to make a mistake along the way. And that is also a very masculine trait. But rattling off reams of fluent Thai expressions and getting all the cultural behaviors right is not sexier to them. In fact, it more often than not can generate quite the opposite reaction.

[EihTooms]

The first ones are relatively easy:

"Set khang nai bpaak dai mai?" Can I cum in your mouth.

"laew hai khun geun duay dai mai?" and then can you swallow it as well. This is really most impolite question, since it is not your business what she does with the cum after taking it in the mouth. It will mark you as somewhat of a "psycho" IMHO. So I would never ask this question.

"ao bpaep mai sai bplork dai mai?" Can I do it without a condom?

"laew set khang nai jim dai mai?" Can I finish inside your pussy?

"tham meuan waa bpen faen duay gan dai mai?" Can we do it just like we were a BF and GF couple?

There, it is not so tough, if know basic Thai words, e. G. "Geun" for Swallow. I wrote the Thai very straight without too many Euphemisms, except "Ao" means to "take" so is a very common word to mean "fuck" but not quite so harsh. "Set" means to "finish". I avoided medical style terminology. "Jim" rising tone is a polite word for pussy, better than "hoi" (shellfish) or "hee" (very impolite like "c-unt".

Syzy, before an army of of ISG readers go marching out to ask their Thai girls these questions, I must point out that you changed the way I worded the quesitons in my earlier post and in a way that I suspect makes a significant difference. Particularly with Thai P4P girls, it might mean all the difference in the world.

I worded my questions "Will you?" but I think you provided translations for "Can you?" questions. At least, that is how you worded the English versions of them. I should have mentioned it earlier but I didn't catch it right away.

Of course, virtually every girl in the world "can" do the things I mentioned. Therefore, those are not very important questions in these situations. The key question, always, is "will" she do them for you. This is particularly pertinent to interactions with Thai P4P girls, who I have found tend to seize upon any opportunity to play word games in this regard in order to make the customer think she has agreed to something she has not; her saying "ok" in response to any question sexual or otherwise rather than a clear and unambiguous "yes" being the most common one in my experience.

Will you also provide the translations for "Will you?" do the things I mentioned rather than merely "Can you?" hehe

Thanks.

[Franciscass]

In my opinion members who say Thai girls consider certain requests as the behavior of a psycho (insane mad dangerous) are really showing what sexual practices they themselves consider not quite kosher. Fisting swallowing to name two recent examples are simply sexual preferences not what most people desire but perfectly acceptable between consenting adults. With some 20 years experience of knowing Thai working girls I don't believe they are repulsed if asked if they can provide particular services. They simply tell the customer they don't provide that service in the same way they will say they do not provide anal CIM rimming kissing to name some common no's.

[Desert Sandman]

Awesome!!

Woods bar is the one I've heard about the most. Will check it out tonight!

Will send you PM, as I didn't think links were allowed.

If you are referring to Wood Bar in Soi 7/1, then Chrome Bar is also in the same soi and I believe offers the same service.

[EihTooms]

Ha Ha! Thais do not enjoy to hear very explicit talk the same straight way you would say it in English, and more inclined to use Euphemisms, however I do appreciate the need for you to get precise information about what you will get. No standard books are going to cover your questions.

Still I might have a go at translating your questions into good Thai. I can consult some Thai girl sexual expert (my main regular Gik who speaks excellent English as well) when I am not 100% sure. However probably not necessary this time. My Thai is pretty good. You could consult Talking Dictionaries if unsure how to pronounce the words, once I give Thai script as well.

So I will get back shortly with some pretty clear Thai both Thai script and Romanised but here is first rough attempt off the cuff.

The first ones are relatively easy:

"Set khang nai bpaak dai mai?" Can I cum in your mouth.

"laew hai khun geun duay dai mai?" and then can you swallow it as well. This is really most impolite question, since it is not your business what she does with the cum after taking it in the mouth. It will mark you as somewhat of a "psycho" IMHO. So I would never ask this question.

"ao bpaep mai sai bplork dai mai?" Can I do it without a condom?

"laew set khang nai jim dai mai?" Can I finish inside your pussy?

"tham meuan waa bpen faen duay gan dai mai?" Can we do it just like we were a BF and GF couple?

There, it is not so tough, if know basic Thai words, e. G. "Geun" for Swallow. I wrote the Thai very straight without too many Euphemisms, except "Ao" means to "take" so is a very common word to mean "fuck" but not quite so harsh. "Set" means to "finish". I avoided medical style terminology. "Jim" rising tone is a polite word for pussy, better than "hoi" (shellfish) or "hee" (very impolite like "c-unt".

Thanks for what you have posted so far on this, Syzy.

"laew hai khun geun duay dai mai?" and then can you swallow it as well. This is really most impolite question, since it is not your business what she does with the cum after taking it in the mouth. It will mark you as somewhat of a "psycho" IMHO. So I would never ask this question.

Of course, it is always the girl's business what she does with the cum after taking it in her mouth. Right up until the moment she agrees to swallow it for an agreed upon price. That's when it becomes "our" business what she does with it. Or the agreement is off and she gets paid less. No problem.

Have to say I have met an awful lot of Thai girls over the past 5 years or so dancing in go-go bars, freelancing in and out of the clubs, posting on the dating sites, working in restaurants and mall shops that apparently are quite alright having sex with "psychos" in this regard. Good lord, what must the girls think of the men who stand before a line up and ask for a show of hands if they are ready for a bit of ass licking/rimming and butt fucking? They must suspect those guys just killed a guard and escaped an Insane Asylum 90 minutes ahead of the arrival of the police.

[Matong36]

Ha Ha! Thais do not enjoy to hear very explicit talk the same straight way you would say it in English, and more inclined to use Euphemisms, however I do appreciate the need for you to get precise information about what you will get. No standard books are going to cover your questions.

Still I might have a go at translating your questions into good Thai. I can consult some Thai girl sexual expert (my main regular Gik who speaks excellent English as well) when I am not 100% sure. However probably not necessary this time. My Thai is pretty good. You could consult Talking Dictionaries if unsure how to pronounce the words, once I give Thai script as well.

So I will get back shortly with some pretty clear Thai both Thai script and Romanised but here is first rough attempt off the cuff.

The first ones are relatively easy:

"Set khang nai bpaak dai mai?" Can I cum in your mouth.

"laew hai khun geun duay dai mai?" and then can you swallow it as well. This is really most impolite question, since it is not your business what she does with the cum after taking it in the mouth. It will mark you as somewhat of a "psycho" IMHO. So I would never ask this question..

Thanks for this useful words!