Angeles City

[Chocha Monger]

I couldn't agree more, smoking bans are the greatest things and they make me happy. Nothing sucks more then trying to enjoy a nice dinner and some fuckhead is blowing smoke in your face or worse yet blowing smoke onto your food. Nothing sucks more then barfining a girl and having her hit you up to buy her some cigs when you don't smoke or worse yet not asking you if they can smoke in your own damn house but instead just light one the fuck up and think your not supposed to be upset about it. Smokers have no courtesy towards others at all. I learned the absolutely hate smoking when I was a kid sitting in the back seat of the car when my mother and father were just puffing away making me cough. SO I absolutely love the smoking ban

Under strict Sharia law, smokers can expect a vigorous public flogging. Exposing non-smokers to secondhand smoke is a form of assault. I would not take a girl if I know she is a smoker. Smokers have extremely bad breath. No one wants to root a girl with smoker's lung who keeps coughing up mucus balls. Smokers are the laziest workers, as they constantly need to take smoke breaks.

[Sxxxx]

I don't get it: bigger bars send their smoking customers upstairs to the NON smoking area?

If I or someone else said upstairs was the non smoking area, it was a typo, pure and simple.

Bigger bars usually have another floor level= upstairs. At XY or whatever (formerly Forbidden City) guys were escorted up to the next level, above us. Came back pretty quickly. Guessing they could not see the stage from where they were, above. At Bar-nana, upstairs, and view of girls etc totally cut off in elevated smoking area. .

Reckon bars will start bribing police to allow smoking in their bar. Very few Phil innovations last the test of time. No Smoking might go the way of previous endeavours. But right now No Smoking, is being enforced.

[Mogwai]

Although some bars are tolerating customers smoking in the bar toilets, and yes bigger bars send their smoking customers upstairs, where on both occasions I was present when that happened, the customer could not see the girls from the non smoking area. One lot quickly returned from upstairs. Not prepared to stare at a wall whilst smoking, I suppose. Perhaps they could have large tv screens in the non smoking rooms / areas, channeled to the bar stage. Guys perv on screen whilst guzzling down some toxins?

I don't get it: bigger bars send their smoking customers upstairs to the NON smoking area?

[Streetlooker]

Personally I am really glad about the smoking ban being enforced and that it has enough teeth in it to keep it enforced.

Now I can go to bars and stay longer and listen to music or play a game of pool. I doubt if the ban will keep smokers from coming, if so it is easily made up with non-smokers.

Non-smokers come on down. Restaurants are all non-smoking too. The non-smoking bars girls don't smell like smoke and aren't short of breath when having the big O!

I couldn't agree more, smoking bans are the greatest things and they make me happy. Nothing sucks more then trying to enjoy a nice dinner and some fuckhead is blowing smoke in your face or worse yet blowing smoke onto your food. Nothing sucks more then barfining a girl and having her hit you up to buy her some cigs when you don't smoke or worse yet not asking you if they can smoke in your own damn house but instead just light one the fuck up and think your not supposed to be upset about it. Smokers have no courtesy towards others at all. I learned the absolutely hate smoking when I was a kid sitting in the back seat of the car when my mother and father were just puffing away making me cough. SO I absolutely love the smoking ban

[Boarer]

Last two weeks spent my time in Angeles. Left A/C and Phils, last Sunday morning.

Leaving so soon and in such a hurry? JazzyDaddy was looking to share a stubbie with you, or something like that.

IMHO, on the subject of smoking, like an addict, they will try to get around the rules. When smoking was first banned on some flights, I still remember a French speaking man quickly exiting a toilet with the alarm blaring midflight. Last month on United, a guy in first class was palming and pulling on his e cigarette the whole flight to South America, right in front of a clueless flight attendant. (But then, they were not hired for their brains; nor looks) Guy's english was quite good so could have been an American, an Expat, or a well to do South American.

When I looked online to see if vaporless e cigs exists before my last post here, I found that it does. But as Sxxxx suggests, it entails holding the pull before exhaling. From what I read, the second hand smoke from e cigs are actually worse. So even if you don't see or smell it, you could be breathing it in from the guy sitting next to you that keeps putting his cupped hand to his mouth.

Until the threatened in room smoking and other smoking fines start getting imposed, it will be an uphill battle. Surprise and well announced raids have done a great job in many places around asia.

Just my 2 cents.

[Shining Wit]

Can anyone shed some light on the situation currently? Is it being strictly enforced or are they starting to let it slide? From a post I read a while back it sounded like you couldn't even light up at Kokomos and watch the action on the street. Is this an Angeles city ban or nationwide IE. Does it affect Subic too? Thanks for any answers.

Southeaster.

This is an Executive Order from DU30, so is nationwide. Olongapo City (covers Barretto and Baloy Beach) have gone further and smoking in the street is now banned, even in the bus station standing next to an exhaust pumping out diesel fumes. I have read in the press that this is illegal, being in excess of the EO, but I have no confidence in much of the press and wouldn't want.

To be the precedent. Several bars in Barretto allow smoking sitting against an open wall, like the front row in Kokomos. Technically, those bars with seating out front are probably illegal as they are within 10 metres of the entrance to a banned area. The pictured poster does not tell the whole story, as neither of my hotels last month banned smoking in the room.

[Dg8787]

Personally I am really glad about the smoking ban being enforced and that it has enough teeth in it to keep it enforced.

Now I can go to bars and stay longer and listen to music or play a game of pool. I doubt if the ban will keep smokers from coming, if so it is easily made up with non-smokers.

Non-smokers come on down. Restaurants are all non-smoking too. The non-smoking bars girls don't smell like smoke and aren't short of breath when having the big O!

[Sxxxx]

Can anyone shed some light on the situation currently? Is it being strictly enforced or are they starting to let it slide? From a post I read a while back it sounded like you couldn't even light up at Kokomos and watch the action on the street. Is this an Angeles city ban or nationwide IE. Does it affect Subic too? Thanks for any answers.

Southeaster.

Last two weeks spent my time in Angeles. Left A/C and Phils, last Sunday morning.

I wrote about this subject somewhere on ISG before. Can't find that post. Here we go again.

In my opinion, they are strictly enforcing the smoking ban. Although some bars are tolerating customers smoking in the bar toilets, and yes bigger bars send their smoking customers upstairs, where on both occasions I was present when that happened, the customer could not see the girls from the non smoking area. One lot quickly returned from upstairs. Not prepared to stare at a wall whilst smoking, I suppose. Perhaps they could have large tv screens in the non smoking rooms / areas, channeled to the bar stage. Guys perv on screen whilst guzzling down some toxins?

I think an enlarged print of a sign I once saw in Cebu, would be appropriate: "Smoking. You can breathe in, but not out".

In my previous post I mentioned an idea might take hold, whereby bars can buy an exemption from the no smoking law. More revenue for the government, more customers for the bars? And more lung cancer, LOL.

Kokomo's, British owned, sticks strictly to the new no smoking law. Little signs all along the front row bar re "no smoking". No one smokes at Kokomo's.

Non smokers like me, are happy about "no smoking", but there are a lot of people who are upset with the move. I think 'no smoking' and shooting of Marijuana smokers has prevented significant numbers from visiting the Philippines, right now.

P.S: Yes, its definitely national. Not specific to Angeles, applies everywhere in Phils, including the toilets.

PPS: Now that I have left the Phils, bet the girls are missing me!

[Boarer]

Can anyone shed some light on the situation currently? Is it being strictly enforced or are they starting to let it slide? From a post I read a while back it sounded like you couldn't even light up at Kokomos and watch the action on the street. Is this an Angeles city ban or nationwide IE. Does it affect Subic too? Thanks for any answers.

Southeaster.

People that flaunt the rules tend to go with e-cigarettes. Most rules have not caught up with that type especially the smokeless variety. Seen usage in bars and on planes. Most just palm it so it is hidden.

I think we're playing nice now. The entire conversation has been taken down, including my post explaining why the particular term is considered a slur.

If one was following, one can see the line now.

[Mr Enternational]

Can anyone shed some light on the situation currently? Is it being strictly enforced or are they starting to let it slide?

Still did not get a chance to write my reports from last month, but this is part of it. I think it is strictly enforced. Unlike Waffles, I did not see anyone smoking in High Society. When I was hanging out in Club Ra (or whatever the name of that Egyptian place is), I kept seeing people go into the stairwell. I finally asked the waitress that was sitting with me why everyone keeps going in there. She said they are going in there to smoke.

[Soapy Smith]

Let's all play nice now. Christmas season is upon us in Philippines.

I think we're playing nice now. The entire conversation has been taken down, including my post explaining why the particular term is considered a slur.

[Member #4530]

Minor observation from a short visit. I ate dinner on the 50-yard line at Kokomos last night and no one was smoking. I do see guys smoking in High Society and most of the larger bars tolerate smoking on the upper decks.

Can anyone shed some light on the situation currently? Is it being strictly enforced or are they starting to let it slide? From a post I read a while back it sounded like you couldn't even light up at Kokomos and watch the action on the street. Is this an Angeles city ban or nationwide IE. Does it affect Subic too? Thanks for any answers.

Southeaster.

[Boarer]

It is a matter of class. I expect Sxxxx to be a classy Aussie about it. I believe it is an American slur and generational. My younger nephews have many Filipino friends and have never heard of the slur.

IMHO, I differ on the first two points; a retraction at least would have been offered.

As for the second and third, I have heard that term used by people from down under and among working girls from various regions on this side of the planet. I play bball in US public inner city parks at various times. I would never use some of the "terms of endearment", out of respect and if I wanted to walk out alive. But that is just me. Now back to prepping for my next Makiti trip.

[SouthEaster]

Can anyone shed some light on the situation currently? Is it being strictly enforced or are they starting to let it slide? From a post I read a while back it sounded like you couldn't even light up at Kokomos and watch the action on the street. Is this an Angeles city ban or nationwide IE. Does it affect Subic too? Thanks for any answers.

Southeaster.

[Member #4530]

Great post Pompetus. Upon your recommendation I did the walk from the Wild Orchid to Koreatown this afternoon. Finally know what the infamous Koreatown is. Enjoyed all the landmarks along the way and got some exercise. For years my walking here consisted of going to SM Mall which is hardly any exercise. Appreciate any other recommendations on other monger walking tours of AC.

V / are.

Waffles.

Every couple of years I take an afternoon walk along Perimeter Road from the jeepney terminal to Friendship Road which is the main retail thoroughfare in Korea Town. Kinda get the lay of the land. The walk is maybe two miles and in the absence of much to do in AC during the daytime, it is a good way to kill some time. But for security reasons it may not be safe to do this late at night.

You will encounter maybe 20 bars or more and maybe a