Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[Crocodilexp]

Can't think of one aspect of the BKK P4 P scene that has improved since the floods of '11, which seemed to have a very big effect on the FL scene. Since '14 it's really gone downhill. Suk is just a mess these days. Just a horrible demographic roaming the streets. Can't blame the gals for not wanting to be out.

Indeed, the Suk FL scene went downhill fast, I miss that the most. Back before 2010, there have been hundreds of decent FL streetwalkers on any given night, easy to get 2 pops for 1000 baht, and they were generally pleasant. Plenty of normal girls too, part-timers. The few dozen dregs out there these days are downright terrifying, and on rare occasion that I managed to find a non-repulsive one, service has been decidedly underwhelming.

Unfortunately, it's not only Thailand, I can't think of many places worldwide that have improved for mongering over the last 5 years. Budapest is far worse, Jakarta is still OK but worse, Singapore is worse, Phnom Penh is obviously worse. Only Vientiane has improved (or at least I discovered a dozen brothels I wasn't aware of before). Do any experienced mongers here know of other scenes that got better lately?

[Crocodilexp]

I have had some great service with Chinese hookers

Where? I haven't been to PRC, but had plenty of Chinese hookers (including PRC) all over SE Asia, and good performers are few and far between. I do like the Chinese MILF look, though.

does anyone have any experience with Vietnam? As I should think the prices are good and I think Viet girls generally look better than Thai anyway

Attitudes in Vietnam are atrocious, to the point that not even cheap mongering is worthwhile (at least HCMC, I hear Hanoi is worse). Oddly enough, I had occasional decent experiences with Vietnamese hookers in other places (Laos, Malaysia), but not even a single memorable one Vietnam itself, and it's not for the lack of trying. Attitude-wise, my top 20% of experiences in Vietnam are on par with bottom 20% in Thailand.

[LoveHole69]

Igzca it was maybe you but I read a post or posts years ago about run getting rather loose and staining people and the sheets brown.

Unfortunately I never got to try my size on her but seems she would handle anything well despite being small. The best I had for that was Yok very accommodating and strong endurance she could take on a whole team but for mongers who are not large sized I would imagine it might be like dipping in a pool.

Dextro sol did you say run jumped on you bareback? Did you catch anything as she was always giving snow white customers the clap.

Now that she is retired in Phuket with an American I wonder if she exclusively stains his sheets.

[LoveHole69]

It sounds like there is no sign of improvement.

The last time I went to Tulip it was horrible. If golf is being cited as one of the better ones that's a sad state of affairs.

It seems like there is to much nostalgia I got over that and left Thailand it used to be great for availability looks and price and good service. I also prefer the Chinese look tall girls or Japaneses are also cuter than Thai. I have had some great service with Chinese hookers so with the main advantage of Thailand being availability and price now gone I am thinking of an alternative base for my trip does anyone have any experience with Vietnam? As I should think the prices are good and I think Viet girls generally look better than Thai anyway.

[LA Guy 5]

Yes, not counting per stroke. Maybe if not counting per stroke we could have a "meters of penis" standard. Every 50 mtrs equals one olympic. That would be the length of an olympic swimming pool. We can talk in olympics of penis.

This reminds me of the much superior "cost per stroke" metric I introduced more than 13 years ago on another website. To quote a portion of that ground-breaking report, which admittedly is a bit off topic given it pertained to a budget casa in Sao Paulo: "In and out, in and out, with each stroke I could feel pennies of my wealth dissipating (I estimate that over the course of the hour, I may have had 300 or 400 strokes; that works out to about 3 cents a stroke, at today's exchange rate of 1 real = US $0. 33)."

The good old days.

[Goatscrot]

Apparently, you only counted the length of each dick. Better to count every thrust as mileage, since we do it with cars (all that commuting to work and back adds up, it's not just one 10 km trip). In that case "kilometer of a pecker" can be achieved in a month or so by an average hooker.

Yes, not counting per stroke. Maybe if not counting per stroke we could have a "meters of penis" standard. Every 50 mtrs equals one olympic. That would be the length of an olympic swimming pool. We can talk in olympics of penis.

[Crocodilexp]

ROFLMFAO.

I thought this was so funny that I actually did the math. But "a kilometer of pecker" works out to be more than 17 times per day, 365 days per year.

Apparently, you only counted the length of each dick. Better to count every thrust as mileage, since we do it with cars (all that commuting to work and back adds up, it's not just one 10 km trip). In that case "kilometer of a pecker" can be achieved in a month or so by an average hooker.

[EihTooms]

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At least he got some sort of BBBJ. Was not the fastest action BBBJ I ever saw so I give her some points for that. Some Thai girls don't really expect to give BBBJ at all, or bomb out after a very short time with jaw ache (like this girl's BJ did not last that long). I presume no DATY is normal for Thai men.
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Yes, we must presume there was no DATY before the clip began because she was still wearing panties. He could have pulled them aside, but, probably not. So, zero DATY for her. Then I suppose it is possible he told her before the clip began something like, "Honey, whatever you do, don't you dare touch my balls with your hands, fingers, lips, tongue or anything else. I hate that. Oh, and don't even think of kissing or licking down the sides of my shaft. And you know how I like everything done to my dick fast and unsensual? That's how we're doing it this time, too. Where's the lube?"

Seriously, though, I suspect there is still the old problem of "Face" at play in these matters. Are so many Thai girls really incapable of treating a dick with their mouth and hands as though they aren't in a hurry to get this horrible experience over with ASAP? Absolutely not. But if they take their time, appear to relish the moment and the contact, go about it slowly, sensually and as though they are in no hurry to fulfill this unfortunate requirement and move on, they run the risk of us thinking they might actually enjoy the feel, smell and taste of cock. And how does that fit in with their constant worry about saving "Face"?

When it comes to DATY, the most common reaction I get from Thai girls is they can't believe any man would WANT to "subjugate" himself to do such a thing. They see it as a decision to subjugate oneself for the sake of another rather than simply giving a gift of pleasure to another. And they can't imagine how someone could squeeze out any pleasure of their own by doing it for another person.

There is a local shop girl I dated for a while. Not P4P. I loved DATY for this girl, did it every time we were alone together. She was a bit uncomfortable about it at first but when she grew more comfortable and I learned all the right moves, angles and buttons to push (very hidden and tricky with this girl) to give her the orgasms of her life that way, she totally loved it. She missed it when we weren't together. She sent me multiple "I Love You" Line stickers and messages daily with allusions to it and about wanting more of it tonight or tomorrow. And I think she really did feel warm and cuddly love feelings for me overall. But this was one of those girls who was great to DATY and fuck but was a total washout when it came to BBBJ, even as mere oral foreplay. The closest I got to any oral contact from her was once or twice some very tentative licking around the edges during 69. But I am not a big fan of 69 for the sake of my pleasure. For her pleasure I was happy to oblige. But for me 69 goes nowhere. I would never be able to finish that way because, among other things, it is essentially upside down from where I need a tongue to be for me to finish orally.

Naturally, her lack of even remotely equal reciprocation became an issue in our relationship. I needed her to concentrate orally on my pleasure to a decent finish every now and then just as I had dozens and dozens of times over a couple of years concentrated orally on her pleasure to a much, much more than decent finish. When I broached the subject with her quite directly, she said she is fine with it during 69 but no other way. Said she really, really wanted to do that for me but was "shy" and worried about not being very good at it. Hmm. Also, her truly puzzled response was, "Why would I want to do that for you if I wasn't also being pleasured?"

[Goatscrot]

That would have been about the year I picked a part time GF out of there which lasted about 4 years, and caused me to not monger too much for those 4 years. Obviously I couldn't use CP2 any more after that. Unfortunate because there was a girl I really fancied (even though not skinny) called Gay and never got to try because she was a close friend of my very jealous GF at the time. Bad luck although I did return to CP2 after the 4 years. It was still alright then for another 2 years maybe. After the Thaksin era sweep out of all the TaiYai (ThaiYai) girls, and girls of dubious age, it started to go downhill rapidly. I suppose that was well before 2005 can't recall the exact year of the sweep out. I see he became PM in 2001 so can't have been too long after that the sweep out came, and the big decline started. I recall that bars were asked to close earlier as well for a while. Nataree was missed by the big cleanout presumably due to high up influence. I decided to try some Oilies probably as late as 2007. Ha ha funny that.

Yes, the social order crack down that began in earnest in '02 was the start of the decline for soapies, some FL places, and GoGos. PSE Oilies peaked about '10 or so. After the appearance of coyote or agency girls the GoGo scene was pretty much over. At least for me. Can't think of one aspect of the BKK P4 P scene that has improved since the floods of '11, which seemed to have a very big effect on the FL scene. Since '14 it's really gone downhill. Suk is just a mess these days. Just a horrible demographic roaming the streets. Can't blame the gals for not wanting to be out.

[Syzygies]

Absolutely. 18 years ago when I moved here a soapy was a true experience. From the time you entered the room till you left. CP2 was amazing. That's where I had my first soapy in '99.

That would have been about the year I picked a part time GF out of there which lasted about 4 years, and caused me to not monger too much for those 4 years. Obviously I couldn't use CP2 any more after that. Unfortunate because there was a girl I really fancied (even though not skinny) called Gay and never got to try because she was a close friend of my very jealous GF at the time. Bad luck although I did return to CP2 after the 4 years. It was still alright then for another 2 years maybe. After the Thaksin era sweep out of all the TaiYai (ThaiYai) girls, and girls of dubious age, it started to go downhill rapidly. I suppose that was well before 2005 can't recall the exact year of the sweep out. I see he became PM in 2001 so can't have been too long after that the sweep out came, and the big decline started. I recall that bars were asked to close earlier as well for a while. Nataree was missed by the big cleanout presumably due to high up influence. I decided to try some Oilies probably as late as 2007. Ha ha funny that.

[Goatscrot]

Yes that is pretty right. Couple that with some girls very inexperienced and particularly inexperienced with Farang ways, and you have a such a lot of disaster girls. Yet I could swear that Soapy girls were performing vastly better 15 and 20 years ago. I don't know what went wrong, other than a lot of surgeries. I must have been easier to please and I did have a good mamasan at CP2 who could give me comments about which of the girls I fancied, might be good fun. Even picked up a couple of short term GFs from there. One girl from that era I am still in contact with. She lives in Chaingmai. Maybe coming up to 35 YO now but still looks okay.

Soapy girls seem to mostly want quick fuck guys, no DFK, some even refusing DATY, bit of a BJ if you are lucky although some so bad at it that you ask her to stop it. Wasn't that way in the old times.

Absolutely. 18 years ago when I moved here a soapy was a true experience. From the time you entered the room till you left. CP2 was amazing. That's where I had my first soapy in '99.

[Syzygies]

The Thai soaps depict gals that are very pretty but at the same time are a bit frigid. They also dress very conservatively. If a gal is the least bit erotic or sexual, she is "bad." They all strive to be pretty and cold.

Yes that is pretty right. Couple that with some girls very inexperienced and particularly inexperienced with Farang ways, and you have a such a lot of disaster girls. Yet I could swear that Soapy girls were performing vastly better 15 and 20 years ago. I don't know what went wrong, other than a lot of surgeries. I must have been easier to please and I did have a good mamasan at CP2 who could give me comments about which of the girls I fancied, might be good fun. Even picked up a couple of short term GFs from there. One girl from that era I am still in contact with. She lives in Chaingmai. Maybe coming up to 35 YO now but still looks okay.

Soapy girls seem to mostly want quick fuck guys, no DFK, some even refusing DATY, bit of a BJ if you are lucky although some so bad at it that you ask her to stop it. A lot of bad figures covered up and hard to see that with girls seated. Wasn't that way in the old times. To be fair The Lord maybe a better standard. I have only a sample of 1 to date. She was good enough looking and good body but service was average to weak. Definitely no repeat. How to strike lucky in there, I don't know.

Annies may have a lot of old ugly girls, but at least in my experience most make a pretty good effort for the service, e.g. Aor 24 (not an ugly one by any means and sexy model type she was)

[Syzygies]

Uber slutty girls with dirty minds are one of life's true joys. I've always said, "I like the girl next door if I am living next to a brothel."
If customers were more demanding and would voice displeasure to the provider and management, we might see a change. I am not holding my breath.

I like girls to be well behaved outside the bedroom. I am not keen for them to look like obvious hookers and I certainly would not be keen to walk around with LBs too much. Yok of Tulip was a good example of a girl in the old days who could dress very normally conservative outside the shop, so did not look so tarty, if fact hardly looked even slightly sexy in conservative dress even with a good body in those days.

Other day the police visited the room across the hallway from my apartment. As I went past the door was open so I could see a reasonable looking girl inside. Seems the management had called the police, to visit a new tenant. Makes me wonder if we have a working girl or two and they having been having weird men arrive on occasions. I don't leave my room that frequently so probably would not have known anything was going on, unless I spotted strange older Thai guys arriving on various occasions. At same time there were two strange Thai men hanging in courtyard below. No idea if they were boyfriends, pimps, customers, police detectives, or what. All wild supposition. I don't really know if there is hooking going on at all. Just can't think what other problem would cause the management to call the police. LOL Maybe I lack imagination. Could be drugs related, for all I know. That would be a common problem in Thailand.

Never seen a police visit ever before.

[Syzygies]

I notice she made the classic Thai girl mistake of just pouncing on his dick and pumping it for pre-fuck oral foreplay as though she was trying to make him cum that way quickly instead of doing it to make him hornier or harder for fucking. There was an utter lack of sensuality about it, just pumping, zero attention to his balls, no slow and sensual kissing and licking along the sides or anything other than dick in mouth with hand wrapped around it and start pumping. Honestly, it didn't look like that was making him hornier or harder either. I would need to fix that problem if I were with this girl.

I also believe getting a girl to slow the hell down and at least "pretend" to want to engage in something sensual and loving rather than the rapid fire mechanics of it tends to get them hotter and hornier as well. Frankly, I have never needed to keep a tube of lube handy like this couple did except for when I deflowered a nervous but eager little 23 y.o.. about two years ago. But I can see that this girl is so focused and worried about launching into the mechanics of trying to make him cum that she physically would not be in the mood or ready to be penetrated after pouncing on his dick and just pumping it like that.

I do quite like the post-fuck kissing and nuzzling she engaged in here. However, again, nice as it is afterwards, it is even better imo when that kind of slow and sensual behavior is done earlier, to get things started and especially during any oral foreplay activities. But it seems she couldn't be bothered to address his dick with those slow, sensual and meaningful kisses during the oral foreplay phase or just didn't think of it. That is where us reminding them to think of it at the right time is useful. LOL.

Ha ha. I think this is a really fun / funny subject, even if a little off thread topic. LOL I found the movie very boring so tended to jump forward to get to the end quicker. All Thai porn is pretty crap and I don't like Japanese stuff either (a little bit warped for me).

He got fuck all DFK. A little Thai peck or nuzzle. Maybe I did not watch to the end. I need DFK up front. The hand job looked crap. One reason I just don't take hand on dick hardly at all this 90%+ of Thai girls have no clue about it and need training.

At least he got some sort of BBBJ. Was not the fastest action BBBJ I ever saw so I give her some points for that. Some Thai girls don't really expect to give BBBJ at all, or bomb out after a very short time with jaw ache (like this girl's BJ did not last that long). I presume no DATY is normal for Thai men.

We take into account this is a porno movie and not totally representative of the average Thai couple. Girl has big tits and guy probably is bigger than average for Thai (guessing since I have not really seen much Thai cock other than pornos). Is it realistic the Thai boy is underneath for the duration? I don't know. I thought that might be more prevalent for old Farangs to be honest, especially if rather fat. It does burn energy to take a doggy if carrying large weight.

The guy cums in just under 4 minutes. LOL This is not me. Even BB I am not so sensitive, not so excited as to cum that quick. Maybe if sex starved for 2 months. LOL Even my shortest sex sessions go for 40 minutes, with at least 20 minutes of actually dick in pussy fucking sometimes much longer. For ST Hotel, even if have only 1 hour, I use it fully. 5 minutes showering, 10 to 15 minutes DATY sometimes 25 minutes for unusual girls, then BBBJ rarely more than 5 minutes and fucking in lots of positions. Fortunately my ST Hotel usually gives me 90 ins to 2 hours, since I attend on less busy nights. I am reminded of the Japanese joke of 3, 4, 5. (3 inches, 4 mins, 5K) Does anyone get their money's worth with a 4 minute fuck.

I sometimes require multiple bouts of sex with only short gaps to cum, and my girls have to have stamina.

There is little doubt that the very experienced well trained Thai girls can perform much better than this, and they do. My Shark girl has the big tits as well as giving fairly good DFK (limited by braces maybe just slightly) and a better BBBJ including brushing the big tits against my balls during the BJ, which really works for me (I must admit I trained her to do this. It is not natural instinct). However good girls learn what the customer likes very quickly and hone in on it.

[PVMonger]

{snip} Found that funny since she had probably been pounded by over a kilometer of pecker over the past year. {snip}

ROFLMFAO.

I thought this was so funny that I actually did the math. But "a kilometer of pecker" works out to be more than 17 times per day, 365 days per year.

I'm going to use this line sometime, tho. Hope you don't mind!