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[PumDiPum]

Why does the club manager need to give any reason to fire a girl? "You are fired". No reason provided. Does he have a manager above him who is checking his hiring and firing decisions and the reasons for such decisions?

I don't know about the employee thing. He can definitely deny permission to a girl from plying her trade. He is the manager, he decides who gets to work in the club and who doesn't no matter if it is an employee or contractor.

Hello Jnpr30,

Unfortunately English is not my native language, but I try to answer you as well as possible. Basically, I agree with you. But mainly I referred to this part of the "BadinSweet" post:

The boss is afraid that they will lose customer traffic and told the girls that they should / need to do BBBJ. If there is a complaint and they find out that the girl provide CBJ, the girl will be fired.

To dismiss a WG or deny entry, on the grounds that she had refused BBBJ, whereupon there were complaints, I find rather difficult. Imagine what she could do. This is something like a police officer being fired because he is not corrupt. It is also no longer possible to complain as a customer at the reception, because of a girl refused to give BBBJ. I would not do that.

The law says BBBJ is banned and not CBJ is banned.

I do not want to question the decision-making power of management. But I would not fire a WG because it lives up to the law. Another reason should already be found, I agree with you. Above all, a manager has to take care of his operating permit in order to be able to receive customers at all. I think a lot of people here want to have fun in these clubs in the future as well. At least, this is how I am.

I do not know the club which you are talking about, the competition in NRW must be very very high. I would not judge at all that the realities regarding the entry of the girls are likely to be different than they are outwardly portrayed by some clubs. Illegal employment is also a much bigger thorn in the eye of the legislature than a few customers who insist on blowing without a condom. Among other things, the new law, the obligation to register, is intended to prevent such things.

The girls should be free in their decisions and they are allowed to know that.

[Rogue Nation]

There is a club with a penalty for the girls if they do BBBJ. How to find out? I don't know. If a girl is caught repeatedly she'll be fired. That's what management is telling the girls making it harder to get BBBJ. At least for non regulars. Doesn't affect me.

[Citizen Kane]

Why does the club manager need to give any reason to fire a girl? "You are fired". No reason provided. Does he have a manager above him who is checking his hiring and firing decisions and the reasons for such decisions?

I don't know about the employee thing. He can definitely deny permission to a girl from plying her trade. He is the manager, he decides who gets to work in the club and who doesn't no matter if it is an employee or contractor.

The manager can refuse entry to anyone, male or female.

[BigBuddy69]

I think I know the club you're talking about and my friend heard the same thing from the boss himself.

And in another famous club of NRW, the boss told clearly to the girls that he didn't like the new law because the CBJ would make them lose customers.

[BadinSweet]

A club manager can only fire one girl who is also an employee of that club, and in that case, he would have to pay social security taxes for that girl. Is he doing this? Girls who pay admission, can't be employees. A club manager is not allowed to tell the girls how to work. ...

I wish this is the case but I think we all know that in reality it is not. Let's forget about this "meeting" that this manager had with the girls for a moment (and this was coming from three separate girls who are not friends with each other and they told me the exact same thing). For example, we know that most of the club required the girls to stay specific hours, til specific time like at closing, etc. Or how they cannot arrive in front of the club with their boyfriend, fish (pimp), or whoever giving them a ride. The girls pay admission don't they? But yet, they are required to do certain things.

Also, like Jnpr30 said, "fired" might not be the term they use but they will "deny" the girl to come back to the club.

[PumDiPum]

Why does the club manager need to give any reason to fire a girl? "You are fired". No reason provided. Does he have a manager above him who is checking his hiring and firing decisions and the reasons for such decisions?

I don't know about the employee thing. He can definitely deny permission to a girl from plying her trade. He is the manager, he decides who gets to work in the club and who doesn't no matter if it is an employee or contractor.

Hello jnpr3 o, unfortunately English is not my native language, but I try to answer you as well as possible. I agree with you in many things. I mainly referred to this part of the post of "BadinSweet".

The boss is afraid that they will lose customer traffic and told the girls that they should / need to do BBBJ. If there is a complaint and they find out that the girl provide CBJ, the girl will be fired.

To dismiss a WG or deny entry, on the grounds that she had refused BBBJ, whereupon there were complaints, I find difficult.

Imagine what she could do.

This is something like a police officer being fired because he is not corrupt.

It is also no longer possible to complain as a customer at the reception, because a girl only wants to blow with rubber. I would not do that.

The law says BBBJ banned and not banned CBJ.

I do not want to question the decision-making power of management. But I would not fire a WG because it lives up to the law. Another reason should already be there, I agree with you.

Above all, a manager has to take care of his operating permit in order to be able to receive customers at all.

I think a lot of people here want to have fun in these clubs in the future as well. This is how I am.

[ResidentOfMars]

Driving back to Romania is the most logical way and most common way I have heard from girls for moving piles of cash across the border.

It would be how I would do it as well. Back in Romania you can keep it in cash.

But don't they eventually have to spend it on some big ticket items? Like buying a house. Won't the authorities check where the money came from?

Or investments. Cash is fine for a few years, but the girls plan on keeping it in cash for retirement years?

[Pistons]

Why does the club manager need to give any reason to fire a girl? "You are fired". No reason provided. Does he have a manager above him who is checking his hiring and firing decisions and the reasons for such decisions?

I don't know about the employee thing. He can definitely deny permission to a girl from plying her trade. He is the manager, he decides who gets to work in the club and who doesn't no matter if it is an employee or contractor.

He can probably ban girls from entering the club, but he cannot fire them. Since they never were employees or contracted legally with the club in the first place.

[Member #4581]

A club manager can only fire one girl who is also an employee of that club, and in that case, he would have to pay social security taxes for that girl. Is he doing this? Girls who pay admission, can't be employees. A club manager is not allowed to tell the girls how to work. What does the girl do if the client prefers CBJ? Does she say to the customer, "No, that's not possible because the manager said I should violate laws!" I think that's very thin ice.

Why does the club manager need to give any reason to fire a girl? "You are fired". No reason provided. Does he have a manager above him who is checking his hiring and firing decisions and the reasons for such decisions?

I don't know about the employee thing. He can definitely deny permission to a girl from plying her trade. He is the manager, he decides who gets to work in the club and who doesn't — no matter if it is an employee or contractor.

[ExpatLover]

A girl I know at World got caught sending too much money home digitally. She was investigated and wound up with a 17 K tax bill. From now on she says she's storing the lot in a safety deposit box.

This is nothing new, and with the new law the girls will have to pay far more income taxes, today just 25 euros per day. Every year several girls are getting controlled and fine at the airports because they have more than 10000 euros in cash.

[Citizen Kane]

The argument from the net. Regulators was mainly that posting here on ISG would lead to bad things, and hence we should stop referring to BBBJ and other activities pronto. It was not that the law would change the status quo or not. Not by me.

So these statements are just revisionist history. We can see what was said by just scrolling back a few pages.

I think the board has more or less regulated itself. There have been few posts where BBBJ etc has been directly linked to an individual girl.

[Citizen Kane]

Safety deposit box could be one option.

A girl I know at World got caught sending too much money home digitally. She was investigated and wound up with a 17 K tax bill. From now on she says she's storing the lot in a safety deposit box.

[Member #4585]

In Germany banks do not report that much compared to other EU country. Besides, there's western union (small sums sent by different people to dozens of different "cousins and uncles"). Last but not least, driving back with cash.

Driving back to Romania is the most logical way and most common way I have heard from girls for moving piles of cash across the border.

It would be how I would do it as well. Back in Romania you can keep it in cash.

[Member #4585]

Since one half of BadIn's favorite duo happens to be my fav as well, I am not thrilled with the turn of events. That said, general attendance reports still suggest numbers are holding up. Locals and experts who attend frequently can verify or contradict this.

Bitumen. I think you were concerned that real changes in attendance and quality of service might happen from Jan 1. I hope I didn't misrepresent your view?

From what I can see the quantum of girls is still holding up. This is a good thing.

Yes, one concern I do have is when the registration does really become mandatory where girls may not enjoy being registered as a working girl on a German record for the police or other authorities to see. We possibly may see a drop in girls waiting to see how far the registration goes.

There is also the possibility that with less girls that the services may become more restricted as there is less girls. Meaning a buyers market becomes a seller's market. Still speculation at this point but I think these new rules, particularly registration, have a long way to run before the full effect becomes apparent.

[Member #4581]

Since one half of BadIn's favorite duo happens to be my fav as well, I am not thrilled with the turn of events. That said, general attendance reports still suggest numbers are holding up. Locals and experts who attend frequently can verify or contradict this.

Bitumen. I think you were concerned that real changes in attendance and quality of service might happen from Jan 1. I hope I didn't misrepresent your view?