Manila

[Gentleman Travel]

Oh, one more observation, which will not come as a surprise to anyone here with real experience.

Most of the girls on FC talk about finding their true love and LTR and stuff, but many of them are equally open to short term propositions.

Occasionally when I have a response from a girl I am not seriously interested in, or is surplus to requirements, I test to see how direct and dirty I can be, and still get a positive response.

I had one girl who sent a long letter filled with faith, loyalty, religion and dedication to finding her one true love. Since she was not in my catchment area I could afford to be direct and rude. I said I was not looking for a wife, but for a girl I could fuck while I was visiting. She replied, without batting an eyelash, "That's okay, I am open to that too. ".

And I have had many similar responses when I indicate (less rudely) that I am not looking for wifey, just a nice girl to date while I am in PI. They back down from true love and LTR pretty quickly. I prefer to deal with them on a slightly more honest (albeit not completely) basis. I mean, I don't tell them I am planning to bang other girls on alternate nights, but I don't want them investing hopes and dreams in me that I am bound to disappoint. It will be difficult enough to untangle the relationship afterwards (I still have my 2 week GF from Colombia begging me to come back, more than a year later), without having deliberately created false expectations.

[Gentleman Travel]

Whether they ask for money or not, their immediate goal is to survive, not only for themselves but for their families, otherwise they wouldn't be doing this. As we all know it takes money as a medium to survive. Some think if they treat them to dinners and drinks it is enough. Fact is it hasn't put any food on the family table nor paid the bills. The shy ones are afraid to ask for many reasons, some possibly don't want to look like pnp and and others don't know how to ask. I assume that after a few times they have been short changed they do speak up. Until then they suffer quietly at the mercy of the monger.

Of course they need the money! What other possible reason would they be doing this? Always pass the money to them in a discreet face saving manner even if they put up a faint objection. I usually say the money is to buy the family a present or to sponsor their upcoming birthday party or dinner and then tuck into their pocket or bag.

To be fair I generally pay / gift the same as I would to the others.

Thanks DG and Mr Enternational. Yes, I am perfectly happy to pay the "freebies" on the same scale as P4 P, I just want to do it without giving offence, or without ripping off a deserving girl who is too shy to ask. So I will work on that scale (3 k - 5 k) and call it "shopping money", because we were too busy fucking our brains out to go shopping.

Right now I have enough prospects that seem really solid, and a decent "B" list as well. In fact, it looks like an impossible task to juggle them all in the time available. But we all know that will change on the ground. It will be interesting to see what the attrition is like, given that I have quite extensive communications and explicit agreements on sex with most of the A list.

But if (when) that happens, I am perfectly content to nip over to LA Cafe or Robinsons Mall and take my chances there. In fact I will feel aggrieved if I do not get to partake in one of those cultural establishments!

For my time in the boonies (Tuguegarao City) I am a little more concerned about being left loveless by my prospective paramours, because I don't think there is much of a local P4 P market, nor could I easily partake, given the small town dynamic. So there I have aimed at the less-scandalous 25+ market, with a mixture of a couple of local ladies and several who would come in from out of town. The theory being that locals might not be prepared to be seen with me, whereas out-of-towners have more freedom of anonymity. Plus I can program the out-of-towners so they don't overlap, and it is easy / natural to raise the "sleeping over" issue with them. It all sounds great in theory, and the prospects seem sincere, but we will see how this turns out in real life.

Cheers and thanks for all the advice!

[Mr Enternational]

I have been working Filipino Cupid and Pinalove, and find FC much more useful for my needs, which include finding girls in a smaller provincial city.

You think it is useful until they do not show up or don't make solid plans with you forever reason. My last trip was a bust on the internet dating side of the game. I wasted a lot of time beforehand on DIA just to end up going to LAC and using the chat apps once there.

I am not yet 60 and have had a few PI girlfriends that did not require payment. Although some would argue that you are supposed to give them money, from my experience they are not all hookers and out for money, so YMMV on that front.

Also no hookers at MOA that I have ever seen. Stick to the tried and true pick-up locations that are mentioned in the forum.

[Dg8787]

Hi guys, I am preparing to go on my first trip to the Philippines in two weeks, and I appreciate all the info and advice I have received here.

I have read a lot of the Forum, but would like to just do a reality check on some of the key take-aways.

I have been working Filipino Cupid and Pinalove, and find FC much more useful for my needs, which include finding girls in a smaller provincial city.

PL would be adequate if I was just interested in Manila, and has more obvious pros, but FC has more reach outside of Manila, although it is harder to know which girls will respond to financial incentives. Few of them make it obvious.

For the girls I have moved into negotiations with, it seems like 3 K to 5 K is the normal range, depending on quality and duration, although I am normally asking for overnight.

What I am wondering about is, what about the girls who do not ask for money upfront? Should I be rewarding them on the same scale? And am I right to not raise the money issue in advance? I assume that many of these girls prefer not to think of themselves a P4 P, even if that is exactly what is going on. At age 60, none of these 25 year olds are dating me for my boyish good looks!

I see Robinsons Mall mentioned as a place for FL pick-ups and may try it out, as it is near my hotel. But I wonder if the same market exists at Mall of Asia, which seems to be the preferred meeting place for the girls I am talking to?

Whether they ask for money or not, their immediate goal is to survive, not only for themselves but for their families, otherwise they wouldn't be doing this. As we all know it takes money as a medium to survive. Some think if they treat them to dinners and drinks it is enough. Fact is it hasn't put any food on the family table nor paid the bills. The shy ones are afraid to ask for many reasons, some possibly don't want to look like pnp and and others don't know how to ask. I assume that after a few times they have been short changed they do speak up. Until then they suffer quietly at the mercy of the monger.

Of course they need the money! What other possible reason would they be doing this? Always pass the money to them in a discreet face saving manner even if they put up a faint objection. I usually say the money is to buy the family a present or to sponsor their upcoming birthday party or dinner and then tuck into their pocket or bag.

To be fair I generally pay / gift the same as I would to the others.

I have been to the Mall of Asia many times and have never seen pnp girls there let alone a special congregating area for them. There may be a few strays from time to time. I believe MOA looks like a respectable area to be in if they were seen with a foreigner is one of the reasons why they prefer MOA. The other reason is that it is an easy location for them to get to via taxi, bus or jeepney. MOA is huge, so best to have their loaded cell number and an exact meeting place like front of Hypermart where most taxis will drop off. Hypermart does have two drop off points, front and back.

Good luck and be fair to them. Also depending upon where they are traveling from transportation could cost them 500 pesos.

[Gentleman Travel]

Hi guys, I am preparing to go on my first trip to the Philippines in two weeks, and I appreciate all the info and advice I have received here.

I have read a lot of the Forum, but would like to just do a reality check on some of the key take-aways.

I have been working Filipino Cupid and Pinalove, and find FC much more useful for my needs, which include finding girls in a smaller provincial city.

PL would be adequate if I was just interested in Manila, and has more obvious pros, but FC has more reach outside of Manila, although it is harder to know which girls will respond to financial incentives. Few of them make it obvious.

For the girls I have moved into negotiations with, it seems like 3 K to 5 K is the normal range, depending on quality and duration, although I am normally asking for overnight.

What I am wondering about is, what about the girls who do not ask for money upfront? Should I be rewarding them on the same scale? And am I right to not raise the money issue in advance? I assume that many of these girls prefer not to think of themselves a P4 P, even if that is exactly what is going on. At age 60, none of these 25 year olds are dating me for my boyish good looks!

I see Robinsons Mall mentioned as a place for FL pick-ups and may try it out, as it is near my hotel. But I wonder if the same market exists at Mall of Asia, which seems to be the preferred meeting place for the girls I am talking to?

[BroComplex]

Burgos bars are at least 7000 PHP for the bar fine and ladies fee. Plus the LDs. I never said it was cheap, just the convenience factor for a first time visitor.

You can get a girl just as quick if not quicker at la cafe. She may not be a stunner but she won't cost you more than a couple of thousand peso and you don't have to buy a lady drinks. I usually stay near Robinson that way I can get 2-3 girls from la cafe every night and the total cost won't come near Burgos street prices. I also troll the dating websites all day long. I keep my messages short and ask them if they want to meet right after I say Hello,. Girls respond better if they know you are in the Philippines and not wasting their time and if things don't work out la cafe opens 24 hours.

[Pekkakoo]

Burgos bars are at least 7000 PHP for the bar fine and ladies fee. Plus the LDs. I never said it was cheap, just the convenience factor for a first time visitor.

Burgos bars are expensive and the quality sometimes hard to find. I haven't used them anymore as much as I did maybe 3-4 years ago. Now I think pinay pussy is so easy to find elsewhere wihout too much trouble anyway so why bother. For a firstcomer it might be ok if you don't know pick up places like Havana etc.

I just spent 10 days in Manila. I ended up once in Rogues and Burgos playing pool and buying 2 girls some tequilas and myself too. Those 2 girls were actually found in Tinder and met in Havana. I didn't feel like having sex at 8 pm and wanted to get more drunk, play pool, eat foods etc. Of course it is annoying a bit that that Tinder girl from Havana had to have a friend with her (rather ugly one) but I said it was ok because on holiday I don't want to count every piso. The bill from playing pool drinking tequilas with 2 girls in Rogues was about 4700 p and it was many games and quite a long time. Of course this is splashing around with money but well. You can't just enjoy having sex all the time and I didn't feel like drinking alone either.

A couple of nights before I also got drunk at Havana chatting with some random girls. One ugly girl at the same table with us got annoyd as I was just drinking with her friend and she asked angrily "are you taking her out because I need make money" and something like "it looks like you are with her and no customers can come here". I was a bit drunk already and pissed off. She said "move to another table". Wouldn't even be easy and all the tables are pretty much reserved at 11-12 pm. I said "no, fuck, you go to another table" and there she went mad. I felt I was a paying and drinking customer there, she is no-one to tell me to move ffs. Then I was approached by a decent looking new girl from the same table the angry girl went. She told sorry about that and that she didn't like that girl either. This new girl was wearing loosely fit grey pants, like sporty style. I finished my drink and another. I was not planning to take a girl out but was feeling good with her so I went to my closely located AirBNB condo with her.

We showered and as I was drunk I wanted DATY and ate her nice pussy. Then she said "fuck me doggy style" and moved to that position. She said "you have condom?" but I said something like "you like condom?" but I was eager to fuck her from behind and in I went. I was drunk and needed to rest a couple of minutes beside her but then I was fucking her missionary and after sometime was finally able to finish inside her pussy. She went to toilet and of course I was worried about BB with a Havana girl and of course she promised that she was not sick etc. But maybe quite stupid getting drunk and barebacking a Havana girl? I asked if she worked many days she said no but when leaving she said "come see me tomorrow night there".

Other days I was drinking in Raffles happy hour of Friday with a girl met online. She had tattoos (a bit turnoff for me) and decent looks but at the same time I was texting with a teenager 19 yo looking for a BF. So I said I have to go meet her so I paid the tattooed girl her happy hour and ubers from quite far maybe total of 2000 p. I met that teenager in Greenbelt and asked if she comes with me and she said yes and to the condo we went. I was drunk too and couldn't finish but with a bad hang over the next morning I shot my load inside her small pussy. Things good in the Philippines. I was planning to see her but she said she couldn't during my last days there because she went staying with a friend, a guy, she said just a friend and no sex. I have been vibering her and she said something "see you next year". Why not, but she seemed a bit distractive and always facebooking or maybe I as a 40 yo are not enough same type as her.

In my final day I hosted a MILF type girl in her 30's from Bicol as she came to do some errands to Manila for a few days. The following and night we had sex (really good BJ) and also the next morning a couple of days. I came on her body. Things good in Manila. Then I took a uber to the airport to Bangkok and Pattaya for 4 days (reporting from Pattaya). Here it might not be a good idea BB but it seems widely available. Just met a girl for ST for 900 bahts and she would have been OK and even tried to remove my condom but I wasnt drunk as after drinking 1-2 weeks in Asia a couple of beers is not enough so I kept going on protected and shot my load from standing doggy into the condom with this 30 yo big breasted mom. She said she works in a bar Pattaya soi 13/2 which is a quiet beer bar so she not have many customers.

[Wicked Roger]

Burgos bars are at least 7000 PHP for the bar fine and ladies fee. Plus the LDs. I never said it was cheap, just the convenience factor for a first time visitor.

Agree with ED and why when I first visited many years I wold go this route and / or Havana Café. Now I have contacts who have friends and know how to use the web sites etc if I really want to but rarely as why bother when I have friends with friends.

Time is the key and a week in Manila means limited time to chat and play the games you may need to get lucky. And there if you play the game you still need multiple back up plans etc.

And why some think Makati is cheap for girls in bars I another conundrum for me. Plus once you have chosen she cold be a starfish, chubby (but well hidden) etc.

So many variables and if limited time is a pot luck sort of situation so can be expensive and disappointing at the same time.

[Red Kilt]

Burgos bars are at least 7000 PHP for the bar fine and ladies fee. Plus the LDs. I never said it was cheap, just the convenience factor for a first time visitor.

I agree with E D here.

For a first-timer (who is actually coming to Manila to work as a priority), keep it simple and stick to P4 P.

Any deviation from this will require a lot more planning and research and if you are focused on your work and, like me, it takes up most of your time, then it's a no-brainer to go with the simple, structured approach.

JMHO.

[Engine Driver]

Burgos street and edsa short time is like 6000 peso LOL that's a terrible deal.

Burgos bars are at least 7000 PHP for the bar fine and ladies fee. Plus the LDs. I never said it was cheap, just the convenience factor for a first time visitor.

[BroComplex]

Mate, if it's your first trip, keep it really simple. There are three basic options; Burgos Street, EDSA or LA Cafe. Freelancers at LA Cafe and Burgos Street. Bar girls at Burgos Street and EDSA. It's a big city, so don't try to do too much. For the fake dating scene, you need time, perseverance and some understanding of the culture. Suggest you stick to P4 P first as it's more efficient.

Burgos street and edsa short time is like 6000 peso LOL that's a terrible deal. Manila is good for la cafe and dating websites if you want bar girls go to angeles.

[Engine Driver]

Looks like I'll be off to Manila soon. First time I've visited the Philippines, and not planning an extensive stay as this is just a straight work trip, so I'm trying to come to grips with the scene, which even for an experienced travelling punter (I've shared quite some reports in the Singapore and Hong Kong forums) seems a bit overwhelming!

Need to get my head around all the options, would appreciate any general as well as specific advice on that front (it'd be a bit like a punter's first-time visit to Singapore but maybe x100). For example: bars, massage parlours, dating sites, Blendr / WeChat hookups, and even those casual 'at the shopping mall' pickups.

For example: I'd be happy for a simple fun casual dating / Blendr hookup as long as they 'get' that it's casual and that I won't be there for more than a few nights, won't be taking them and their extended family to dinner, and definitely won't be coming back to marry them! Some of that makes me think that unless I can 'find' that before I get to Manila I might be better off with the straight P4P option.

Am of course going to do some solid reading here but if any experienced Philippines punters might want to share some 'Cliff's Notes' to help me get up to speed, that'd be hugely appreciated!

Mate, if it's your first trip, keep it really simple. There are three basic options; Burgos Street, EDSA or LA Cafe. Freelancers at LA Cafe and Burgos Street. Bar girls at Burgos Street and EDSA. It's a big city, so don't try to do too much. For the fake dating scene, you need time, perseverance and some understanding of the culture. Suggest you stick to P4 P first as it's more efficient.

[Mogwai]

My biggest fare ever is maybe $6 US and cash leaves no trail.

Except for the digital trail that you leave when you use the app to order the Grab or Uber taxi.

I think it's virtually impossible these days to travel anonymously. Maybe you can avoid paper trails but your cell phone and / or laptop leaves digital trails whereever you go.

[Flyboy 2000]

Looks like I'll be off to Manila soon. First time I've visited the Philippines, and not planning an extensive stay as this is just a straight work trip, so I'm trying to come to grips with the scene, which even for an experienced travelling punter (I've shared quite some reports in the Singapore and Hong Kong forums) seems a bit overwhelming!

Need to get my head around all the options, would appreciate any general as well as specific advice on that front (it'd be a bit like a punter's first-time visit to Singapore but maybe x100). For example: bars, massage parlours, dating sites, Blendr / WeChat hookups, and even those casual 'at the shopping mall' pickups.

For example: I'd be happy for a simple fun casual dating / Blendr hookup as long as they 'get' that it's casual and that I won't be there for more than a few nights, won't be taking them and their extended family to dinner, and definitely won't be coming back to marry them! Some of that makes me think that unless I can 'find' that before I get to Manila I might be better off with the straight P4P option.

Am of course going to do some solid reading here but if any experienced Philippines punters might want to share some 'Cliff's Notes' to help me get up to speed, that'd be hugely appreciated!

[Member #4698]

I share your concerns about privacy but having worked in the Internet era have made peace with the fact there is none. Fortunately for me and how I live my life right now, I can live with that. As for Google Fi yes it will work as soon as you are wheels down. Basic costs are $20 a month for unlimited talk and text in the US, and then $10 per gig for data. They meter by the meg so if you use 250 Meg it is $2. 50. Not the perfect plan I someone who used vast amounts of data, but perfect for me. I use 1 to 2 gigs per month, $10 to $20 a month for data. Making calls outside the United States is 20 cents per minute in most countries and usually free to call back to the States on WiFi. But double check that on their website. Only other thing to know, they have a relatively small selection of Android phones. No iPhones. I'm very happy with the pixel. Go to the website and check it out, if you're interested I can get you a link for $20 off your bill.

One of the really nice feature of Google fi, is that they give you a second data Sim chip. If you have a data enabled tablet you can put it in there. I put it in my old cell phone, which is what I take with me if I'm going someplace sketchy. Then I don't have to worry about loosing my $900 phone.

Thanks Charm City Dave for this information. I will check out the Google Fi website for sure. The service sounds good for someone like myself who travels to multiple destinations once or twice a year because it is such a hassle to have to buy a new local sim card in every country I visit, every time I visit because I am in country too infrequently to keep my local sim cards current. For example, in Thailand you have to present your passport in order to purchase a sim card and in the PI, you sometimes have to wait in a long line just to buy another sim card. So yes, a no contract Global monthly service would be very practical from my perspective. All I want to do on my cell phone when I travel is Line / Vibre chat with my girls, Uber, use the translater and map app occasionally, and take photos. Everything else I prefer to do on my laptop in my hotel room.