Pattaya Reports

[Old New Guy]

The only problem is that many times if a girl is with a group of friends then she tends to want to party a while. But if you see her alone or with only 1 other friend she will more than likely be ready to go right then if you tell her.

This is another one of the many strange things that happen to us the disco punters. At the beginning it gave on my balls a lot, now I've learned to use it a my own advantage, meaning that it allows me to collect more signals. When a girl agrees on a price, and then drags her feet to leave, you're being manipulated. The most likely reason is that she's not drunk enough to be eager to jump in bed "early" with a guy twice her age. She may think that the earlier it starts, the longer the romp, now as we know is not like Thai women are champion of sex endurance. Another reason is to get you for drinks to her and all her friends (which you will be prohibited to fuck at any time in the future), which will thank you at most with a smile. But since you may like the girl or OK with partying on for a while, my suggestion is to take it easy, politely decline to pay for her friend's drinks, have a dance or two, feel her body, smell and attitude. If these don't seem right, and after a reasonable time she's still recalcitrant you better move on, a biatch in dance hall in the room doesn't treat you well (famous Thai proverb).

[Old New Guy]

Got the hotel cheap at around 2200 baht a night. However, the rooms are damp, musty and stinky.

That's an awful lot for an hotel in Pattaya. There are discounted two-bedroom villa around the same price. Get an high-rated Hotel or serviced apart around Pattaya Klang, Pattaya Nua, or just across Sukhumvhit for about 700 Baht. Add 150 a day for a motorbike rental and you will be on WS in 3 minutes, and off the hands of motorbike Taxis.

[Mr Enternational]

Which is why in Pattaya I stick to the discos, arrive after 1 pm and p / u after 2/3 am. And try to find good solid 6. 5 and 7's. I dont succeed all the time !!! However, since I stay for a only or longer I am quite patient. Of course, YMMV will surely vary if you are under 35 and have looks and game.

I'm 45 and went to iBar and Insomnia a couple times last week with BM Amex. Most of the chicks that I talked to wanted 2K off the bat (like Haven I only do LT from the discos). So for a guy willing to pay that much that place should be a goldmine. Myself, if I can't get them down to at least 1,200 then I find one that I can. The only problem is that many times if a girl is with a group of friends then she tends to want to party a while. But if you see her alone or with only 1 other friend she will more than likely be ready to go right then if you tell her.

[Banana Boi]

News mentions that the guy who mowed down a ton of people in front of Tukcom the other day was the owner of a Walking Street bar. Does anyone know which bar?

[Banana Boi]

We were put up at the Camelot, being close to Walking Street was a good idea. Got the hotel cheap at around 2200 baht a night. However, the rooms are damp, musty and stinky. It's an older property, and needs an overhaul to keep with the times. It is frequently by the group tours, where an overnight stay does no harm to it's reputation. Would not recommend. Surprisingly, saw many Russian (or maybe, Uzbek) gals staying there. Course, Indian dudes would never get a second look from them, sigh!

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We went over to Walking Street much later in the night; was probably 11 when we got there. Tried to get into some of the go-go clubs and were basically turned down (who needs a decent group of Indian dudes, yech! The worst reaction is when the folks at the door cross their arms as you get closer to the club; public announcement that you're not welcome. WTH!

Nick, thanks for the report, especially on PP Massage since I've been meaning to check it out again.

You can get plenty of nice hotels around Pattaya for under 2200 baht. Camelot rooms should run under 1200 baht taxes included.

How many guys were in your group that was rejected entry into the gogo bars? Surprised to hear this since some of the gogo bars are completely empty of customers this past week. Sorry to hear about your poor experience.

[Eszpresszo]

Having the right size helped keep it unrolled and the lube never became a factor.

The right size is everything. From what I've read up on condoms from what appear to be more academic sources, the lack of lubricant (if required) and the incorrect size are the overwhelming causes of most condom failures. I never thought of myself as a "large" until I bought some large size condoms "on sale" just for a grin and discovered that they not only fit better, but the sensation was better.

A real beef I have with working girls and the brothels is that they stock cheap condoms they likely buy in volume. This is predictable in a 3rd world country. But, I was surprised that the freelancers I did in Berlin took the same route for cost cutting and stocked the same cheap condoms you'd find anywhere else. Its not like they were poor, didn't have easy access to a broad array of condoms (if there is one thing that Germany excels in, its the proliferation of "sex shops") or were uneducated. One was actually overeducated. I'd think those girls would make the investment in their health and customer satisfaction by paying a little more for a decent condom. I expect they have no concept of these things, because they don't have to wear condoms, though it does explain why they do carry their own preferred lube (in my observation).

Its why I always make sure I carry more than enough of my preferred condoms on a mongering trip, with some single-shot packets of lube. It makes for a better experience and more piece of mind.

[Haven123]

For the water, I fill up at the water stations located all around where you get 6 liters for 5 baht or one liter for one baht. You need your own 6 liter container though. Either buy an initial one for around 35 baht I think (in 7/11 etc), or where I stay departing residents leave their containers behind and future guests can grab one and fill it up. I have never had any problems with the quality of the water in these little water stations. It's a great bargain, and certainly beats buying water at the convenience stores every few days.

For the accomodation, I cannot reveal the exact place, but it is in the Soi Buakhao area. The room is quite good as it is old style and measures around 30 m square. There is a double bed, Cable TV (sophon), aircon, medium sized fridge, a small desk and reasonable wifi. The bathroom is largish with an electric hot water heater. There is no cleaning service though. Yes you can bring girls back there, though I prefer to use ST rooms with ST freelancers so that they can make a mess there rather than in my room. There are a lot of these deals around I think. I find that renting by the month halves your accomodation cost compared to renting on a daily basis. The downside of the Soi Buakhao area is the lack of sidewalks for pedestrians until you hit second Road.

For food, sometimes for lunch I would head to Big see on Klang and get a very filling Chicken Curry meal with small ice coffee for 80 baht. That has brought the meal average down. So usually the dinner meal would usually be around 220 baht, but sometimes it would be 150 baht if only spag bol plus iced coffee.

Hats off to you for your discipline and working within your budget. I think Mr Ent's suggestions and input re not overpaying comes back to me. Since I usually do. LOL.

Having said that, IMO the allocation of budget in Franga's Case is more like 20-25 pc of his total budget for accommodations ( note he uses separate place when with a girl ) and 15-20 pc for food and beverage ( note he does not drink ) and the rest for girls and fun. Now, that's with a 30 k baht budget for a month.

Now, if you scale up the total budget per month to say 100 K baht per month, or even 200 K baht per month your accomdations and food will be a lower percentage of total, thus allowing more for girls and entertainment (eg go go bars, discos etc).

So, I think guys may want to focus more on the percentages and average per day that they spend for each category vs. A specific meal. At least that is my takeaway.

Also, as far as girls, YMMV may vary, but at least in my experience when they want more than say 3 K per LT (I don't do ST) , then I find their perception of their own value is so high, that it makes for a difficult interactive experience. Also why I stick to 6's ans 7's and maybe an occasional 8 , because they have less of an ego.

IMO, go go girls live within the echo chamber of the other girls they work with and are constantly exchanging information within that work cocoon. This echo chamber IMO is what makes them hard to work with (not all of them to be sure). Now add on the quota of drinks they have to push and it is a an aggressive sales driven culture and work environment for them. The only place I have found this to be an exception is in Latin America. FWIW. Which is why in Pattaya I stick to the discos, arrive after 1 pm and p / u after 2/3 am. And try to find good solid 6. 5 and 7's. I dont succeed all the time !!! However, since I stay for a only or longer I am quite patient. Of course, YMMV will surely vary if you are under 35 and have looks and game.

[HorseTrader]

Try putting some lube on your cock before putting the condom on and no it won't come off just don't do the base.

With a qualification, my experience has been a different from yours. In October and November I visited Thailand with a pile of Trojan Bareskin condoms, both the standard size and the magnum size. I always use a bit of lube on the head, but not the base. The standard size came off three times out of about 8 uses. The first time I thought the girl took it off to make me finish quicker. The next time it came off inside her after I finished but hadn't withdrawn (the cum was inside the condom). The third time it came off during sex and fallen on the bed, I didn't realize what happened until everything was finished. When I switched to the magnum size, everything was fine. I still used the lube.

Even though the standard size condom was fully unrolled when applied, the act of sex tended to roll it back up. My guess is the lube near the tip caused it to slide off the last little bit. Having the right size helped keep it unrolled and the lube never became a factor.

[Eszpresszo]

Try getting a testosterone shot at one of the clinics. They are 400 baht. Did wonders for me they take a week or two to kick in so get it when you get here. I have same problem especially after being here a couple of weeks. Try putting some lube on your cock before putting the condom on and no it won't come off just don't do the base.

Good suggestion. Not enough people understand this. It actually reduces the risk of a condom tearing because most of the friction is at the tip and thus the point most at risk. You can also squirt some lube inside the tip of the condom before you roll it on. It will lube the area around the end of your cock and give more sensation. But it won't cause the condom to get looser further down the shaft. I recall some brand of condom came packaged with some kind of light lube inside the tip, but don't recall the name and I doubt they are among the better quality Japanese condoms that I prefer.

[NickMehta]

Just back from a fantastic 5 day trip to LOS. Hope this helps someone!

Day 1.

Landed at Bangkok after a bumpy red-eye flight from Mumbai. Immigration lines weren't long, and I was fortunate to get the faster immigration officer. A few friends, in another queue, got the patient officer, who was rationing the passengers at snails pace. They only came through after I had collected the bags, and made my way back near immigration counters! 3 people in 20 minutes! Must be some record!

Ride to Pattaya (pre-booked cab) was also late. And, all 5 dudes were tired and hungry after waiting another 30 minutes. Would this be one of those forgettable trips? (Spoiler alert: it wasn't).

We were put up at the Camelot, being close to Walking Street was a good idea. Got the hotel cheap at around 2200 baht a night. However, the rooms are damp, musty and stinky. It's an older property, and needs an overhaul to keep with the times. It is frequently by the group tours, where an overnight stay does no harm to it's reputation. Would not recommend. Surprisingly, saw many Russian (or maybe, Uzbek) gals staying there. Course, Indian dudes would never get a second look from them, sigh!

Our first destination for the evening was the soapy massage places; one member of the group was a Thailand virgin, and we wanted him to have a guaranteed start! We dropped in at Honey 2 to start with. On my previous trip, this had been the best of the lot. Choices start at 2500, all the way upto 4000 baht. However, virgin dude was uncertain, and we decided to hop over to the other soapies, and check out the options. (Quick tip: Baht bus will drop you off free; they make 50/100 bucks for each customer they bring in. Your hand is marked when you enter). Anyway, off to Rasputin next, which usually has a bevy of beauties. Rasputin had a similar range - 2500,3000, 3500 and then a jump to 5000 - the models (who were really hot, BTW). Going with the flow we then went to PP Massage (nothing worth checking out here), and finally to Honey1.

I picked Tuktuk in Honey1 (# M106), and she was a good pick. Tall, shapely, big boobs (enhanced, but very well done). She was friendly, and chatted me up to the room. The soapy massage was phenomenal, Tuktuk took great care of every part of me. The usual - "you so big" comment was laughable though. Unfortunately, the sex was a bit of a let down though and got very mechanical. I take time cuming, and the mechanical nature was just a turn off. Tuktuk offered an extended HJ, but the damage was done.

We went over to Walking Street much later in the night; was probably 11 when we got there. Tried to get into some of the go-go clubs and were basically turned down (who needs a decent group of Indian dudes, yech! The worst reaction is when the folks at the door cross their arms as you get closer to the club; public announcement that you're not welcome. WTH!

Anyway, Insomnia was welcoming, and we dove in to get our drinks. Crowded as usual. Love the vibe and energy. Lots of great looking gals as well. We had to leave, as there was no place to stand, let alone sit. So, crossed the street to Hot Tuna Bar, which had a live band in action. The music was great (I forget the name of the band though), and we chorused our way through a few drinks.

Exhauted, and yet somehow not so, we headed back to the hotel.

[Turgid]

But, of course, especially since I had come yesterday, I could not come with her. I pulled out and collapsed from trying. She offered another BJ, and she did a nice job and got me close. Very close, actually, but even with only one come in well over a week, it would not happen. Not only can I rarely come with a condom on, I can only rarely come with a wonderful BBBJ. What is wrong with me? And when I fail with a BJ, I will fail with a HJ. Sigh. I gave up and had her lay next to me. For an old man who is sexually frustrated, having a sweet young woman next to you, naked, at least helps with the inadequacy feelings. Many of these girls, though hardly all, really do take it personally when a man fails. I still remember a Soi 6 girl from last time, a student actually, who refused to have sex with me again when I failed with her. She did not dislike me and she enjoyed talking to me, but her personal sense of failure took precedence over her need for money. Anyway, even in the "afterglow", the boner stuck around to taunt me at my failure, and she continue to slowly rub and before it went too soft, she even tried another BJ. It still felt good, but no orgasm.

The same thing happened to me years ago with a non-pro in the Caribbean. Even though I was relaxed at her place I would enter her and then go soft inside. I put it to the fact that she was older and less attractive than the pros I was accustomed to. However, many years before that I had another non-pro who was young and hot with whom the same thing happened and at the same time I could easily session less attractive women. Sometimes there just isn't a certain chemistry between two people which causes non performance; it has happened to me with pros as well. Also sometimes I would have a great session with an older and less attractive pro. One should not be too hard on oneself when these things happen for they won't happen all the time.

[Zman429]

back to missionary and I tried but, as you know, failed. What is wrong with me? Not many old guys get to screw these hot young women, so what can't I come?

Try getting a testosterone shot at one of the clinics. They are 400 baht. Did wonders for me they take a week or two to kick in so get it when you get here. I have same problem especially after being here a couple of weeks. Try putting some lube on your cock before putting the condom on and no it won't come off just don't do the base.

[Zman429]

Again, can't compare with tourist places which cater to foreigners. Typically in a Thai buffet you cook fresh meats and fish (actually your girl should do for you) on the BBQ (brazier / boiler), together with vegetables. Add mild / spicy sauces at wish. There are also pre-cooked foods like noodles, fried rice, meatballs, etc which get replenished often. Check out the many videos on YT.

How many you guys try room service? My hotel has the best food / prices I've seen anywhere at 115 baht for Thai dish with rice. Quality and quantity of the food is really good. A great surprise.

[Traveller747]

Pattaya Trip Report Day 2.

But, of course, especially since I had come yesterday, I could not come with her. I pulled out and collapsed from trying. She offered another BJ, and she did a nice job and got me close. Very close, actually, but even with only one come in well over a week, it would not happen. Not only can I rarely come with a condom on, I can only rarely come with a wonderful BBBJ. What is wrong with me? And when I fail with a BJ, I will fail with a HJ. Sigh. I gave up and had her lay next to me. For an old man who is sexually frustrated, having a sweet young woman next to you, naked, at least helps with the inadequacy feelings. Many of these girls, though hardly all, really do take it personally when a man fails. I still remember a Soi 6 girl from last time, a student actually, who refused to have sex with me again when I failed with her. She did not dislike me and she enjoyed talking to me, but her personal sense of failure took precedence over her need for money. Anyway, even in the "afterglow", the boner stuck around to taunt me at my failure, and she continue to slowly rub and before it went too soft, she even tried another BJ. It still felt good, but no orgasm. Not many old guys get to screw these hot young women, so what can't I come?.

Even when I was young I never had the problem of premature ejaculation; now with age I encounter the same symptoms as you. Sometimes in the middle of the act, I ask myself: what's wrong? Your dick is inside a sexy young girl, what more can you ask for? And sometimes even bare back does not do the trick, crazy and foolish as it is to do bare back. But the girls take their pride in being able to make a guy come and do almost everything to make it happen. I have come to the conclusion: the road is the destination! Coming is just a side effect of sex.

[Old New Guy]

Well, I spent hours trying to find another room, carrying all my gear on my back in the hot sun. All hotels said the same thing: sorry full.

In the past I thought I was being very smart making no reservation and looking for places in person, mind you that was riding a bike, not by feet / mototaxi extortion. How wrong I was, after ending being miserable too many times now I only use Expedia for my bookings and I do reserve in advance. For one, you can't beat the rates. And the guest reviews are totally genuine, for example both the serviced apartments where I'm staying now, as well Nova Express on 3rd Rd / Klang have ratings well above 4 which are absolutely deserved. If an hotel charges for guests or any other BS be sure you will read that in the reviews. I have Gold level, customer service has been always been helpful in the past, and reward points accumulate quickly when paying with an Expedia card and booking from the app, on average I get a free night every 10 - 15.