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[BrainDrain]

So the moral of the story is: beware of Wicked Rodger's little friends. Once they have seduced you and you have let your guard down, they will fuck you up until it's impossible to think straight and the world becomes a blur.

Enjoy.

*The above story was edited and exaggerated to protect the guilty. All the very best to Roger and his wicked little friends. It will be great to catch up in person when our paths cross.

This is freaky. The same thing happened to me a few years ago. I innocently met WR in a coffee shop, he later introduced me to not one TWO of his contacts. Happy days in Cebu.

[Bushes]

A full on party girl may not be the one to mix with normal tourists nor blend in around town.

Needless to say, some are not the most mentally stable nor educated so it is sometimes hard to for them to fit in even at a resort. Well same could be said about some of the other guests significant others! I do dive trips but rarely get to go for a week as many gals are not that into marine biology or wrecks and cannot survive without Internet. Case and point, one lady sitting next to me on an under 3 hour flight paid for Internet to check on her social media.

[WestCoast1]

At this point I blacked out, coming out of my coma the next morning. THEN SHE DID IT AGAIN!!

So the moral of the story is: beware of Wicked Rodger's little friends. Once they have seduced you and you have let your guard down, they will fuck you up until it's impossible to think straight and the world becomes a blur.

*The above story was edited and exaggerated to protect the guilty. All the very best to Roger and his wicked little friends. It will be great to catch up in person when our paths cross.

Hahaha the man has many friends. Great story.

[Goferring]

While I was having fun with PinaLove, I received a PM from Wicked Rodger.

I've never met the guy but on line and on email he SEEMED like a nice guy, offering ideas on where to go in Cebu. He also casually suggested a local lass who could spice up my stay. This was the start of his vicious plan. However, it seemed innocent enough so I made contact with her and organised for her to drop around the following evening.

She showed up, 4'11" of bubbly cuteness and we headed up to the room. After chatting for a while, she ran of to the shower and when she returned the entertainment began. Her oversized hand bag held a ToysRUs sized collection of party enhancers which she proceeded to apply to various orifices, appendages and tickle points on both of us. At this point I was totally exhausted so she lay me on my back and proceeded to suck the bed sheets, three pillows and various pieces of small furniture through my arsehole. She certainly proved the irony in term blow job. After impaling herself on my man-sword repeatedly, she sprang off at just the right time, gobbled away again until I exploded well past her tonsils and straight into her digestive system. At this point I blacked out, coming out of my coma the next morning. THEN SHE DID IT AGAIN!!

So the moral of the story is: beware of Wicked Rodger's little friends. Once they have seduced you and you have let your guard down, they will fuck you up until it's impossible to think straight and the world becomes a blur.

Enjoy.

*The above story was edited and exaggerated to protect the guilty. All the very best to Roger and his wicked little friends. It will be great to catch up in person when our paths cross.

[Goferring]

Hello peeps,

Need a little info on what is expected financially for my chica if I take her with me on a short break (holiday).

RM,

Check your PMs and:

Hi guys,

Just a post on a trip I am having to highlight some of the risks and rewards of taking a multi day / week trip with a BG.

OK, so the trip above is now finished. Her attitude improved over the second week but still wasn't all that I had hoped for.

In summary:

I paid 10 k per week for great sex on tour but everything else was a mind fuck.

The girl surrounded by hundreds of other competitors in a bar will not be the same girl out in the Provinces when she works out she is the only show in town.

[Dg8787]

Hello peeps,

Need a little info on what is expected financially for my chica if I take her with me on a short break (holiday).

So I met a beautiful Cebuano who has shown some interest in joining me on a short excursion, she's a freelancer working the club scene in "duma".

Obviously me being a "Phils virgin" I would like to gather some useful knowledge in what is expected of me to her in monetary terms.

I will be paying for the trip, everything from travel to accommodation and food etc.

Any info, as always would be much appreciated.

TIA.

RM.

I will be quick to the points.

Paying for everything doesn't mean crap other than you want company and and you pay for the travel and food and everything else. The girl needs money for life expenses. She may come home with a full belly but it doesn't feed her family nor does it pay the bills. If the girl (s) doesn't need money they would never be hooking up with you or doing this.

Negotiate a daily rate and pay her. Don't do a minimum wage comparison as it has nothing to do with the daily rate. Remember she has the economic disadvantage so be gentle. In other words don’t be an A hole. No one can establish value other than you.

Have a great time.

[Sammon]

Don't send her travel money unless you are willing to lose it. Her expectations are for you to take care of her "wants and needs", buy her the latest iPhone, pay for the next semester of school, etc.

This is the Philippines and she is a freelancer. It is customary to negotiate payment ahead of time. If you can't meet her expectations after she is already with you, then you will not have a good time. Per diem spending money requests run from P4000-20000 in my experience. I'm sure veterans here can refine that range. Just remember, this is purely a financial transaction so don't confuse it with romance.

And demand proof of age!

P.S. If she knows this is your first trip, you are going to get screwed. And not in the good sense.

I hope you have talked to her cam to cam and seen each other.

If you liked her do not make any concrete plans till you both stay together at least one night. Sex bonds people. Good sex bonds better. You can get an idea about how much she is into you imagined or otherwise. If the vibe is not good ditch her.

If everything is good make plans and talk to her about what she likes. You will never have a good time if you decide on your own although money changes hands. Taking a girl on a trip is not what it is cracked up to be unless you bond first. Even then it is not a guarantee. If all goes well discuss money transactions. Usually how much per day. No up to you bullshit.

Gone are the days when phi girls follow you meekly around.

Good luck.

[SaltyPete]

Hello peeps,

Need a little info on what is expected financially for my chica if I take her with me on a short break (holiday).

So I met a beautiful Cebuano who has shown some interest in joining me on a short excursion, she's a freelancer working the club scene in "duma".

Obviously me being a "Phils virgin" I would like to gather some useful knowledge in what is expected of me to her in monetary terms.

I will be paying for the trip, everything from travel to accommodation and food etc.

Any info, as always would be much appreciated.

TIA.

RM.

Don't send her travel money unless you are willing to lose it. Her expectations are for you to take care of her "wants and needs", buy her the latest iPhone, pay for the next semester of school, etc.

This is the Philippines and she is a freelancer. It is customary to negotiate payment ahead of time. If you can't meet her expectations after she is already with you, then you will not have a good time. Per diem spending money requests run from P4000-20000 in my experience. I'm sure veterans here can refine that range. Just remember, this is purely a financial transaction so don't confuse it with romance.

And demand proof of age!

P.S. If she knows this is your first trip, you are going to get screwed. And not in the good sense.

[SaltyPete]

Desperate is an understatement of life in a Filipino prison...

Sober thoughts like this make me question a return visit, LOL. It has been stressed before by other gentlemen to always take a bribe offer (whether from the girl or the "police") if offered, before being arrested, especially if you are a newbie and / or travelling alone / under the radar. Of course, the best thing is to avoid "gray" situations altogether. Which usually go hand-in-hand with drunkenness.

[RengadeMaster]

Hello peeps,

Need a little info on what is expected financially for my chica if I take her with me on a short break (holiday).

So I met a beautiful Cebuano who has shown some interest in joining me on a short excursion, she's a freelancer working the club scene in "duma".

Obviously me being a "Phils virgin" I would like to gather some useful knowledge in what is expected of me to her in monetary terms.

I will be paying for the trip, everything from travel to accommodation and food etc.

Any info, as always would be much appreciated.

TIA.

RM.

[Chocha Monger]

Finally if you ever do find yourself in this dreadful situation, its not quite as desperate as CM describes, so don't top yourself! Even if you have been charged with a non bailable offence you can always file a motion for bail. The prosecutor will have to demonstrate that the evidence against you is strong for this to be denied, so if there is really nothing against you, you have a good chance to get out within a year or so. You will not get raped or physically harmed and unless you engage in dangerous behaviour such as unprotected anal sex or needle sharing you are unlikely to get HIV. Trials are averaging around 5-10 years to complete, so if there is evidence against you and you can't bail, you must be prepared for a long haul. (The Phils has a crazy system of distributing a trial over "hearings" lasting say 10-15 minutes at 1 to 6 month intervals which is why they take such an insane time to complete.) Relatively few people are ever actually convicted as generally complainants lose interest / fail to turn up so cases are often eventually dismissed. However sentences if found guilty can be draconian. For example an Australian citizen was found guilty (apparently correctly) a couple of months ago of 3 counts of date grape with the same girl. The trial took 7 years to complete and he has been sentenced to 120 years. His only real chance of getting out is to take the case to the Appeal Court which is expensive and time consuming.

Desperate is an understatement of life in a Filipino prison. Former inmates describe it as living in the deepest darkest bowels of Hell with all manner of fell creatures. A few months of incarceration in a one of those overcrowded sardine can dungeons in the sweltering tropical heat and humidity intensified with the body heat and stench of human flesh over-packed tightly together is enough to break most Westerners. There is one toilet for as many as 150 prisoners to share, many of whom suffer from diarrheal illnesses due to the horrible unsanitary conditions and poor quality food.

An American would find his immune system challenged like never before by all manner of tropical communicable diseases and intestinal parasites. All morbidly obese Westerners turn into stick figures after a year or two of rapid weight loss due to malnutrition and frequent bouts of the squirts. Drug resistant TB is a prevalent in Filipino prisons where cramped conditions favor rapid spread of respiratory diseases among the inmates.

HIV is extremely common because many of the prisoners are intravenous-drug addicts who contracted the infection from sharing needles, or engaging homosexual anal sex to finance their addiction. While not every foreigner who ends up in a local prison is going to end up contracting HIV, none should expect to leave an anal virgin. Unfortunately, Filipinos find Western men very exotic and sexually appealing, and this is not limited to the women. Furthermore, they do not consider the practice of homosexuality out of convenience the same as identifying as a gay. Filipinos stick together and value tribalism. The foreigner is always the outsider, and Filipinos expect their compatriots to take their side and come to their aid whenever there is a dispute with a foreigner. This makes a Philippine prison an extremely dangerous and inhospitable environment for a foreign inmate.

As a foreigner, avoid anything that may possibly land you in a one of those filthy human cesspools. Forget about getting out, the system will keep you locked up until it drains every penny out of you. If you get out and do not have the money to pay off the years of visa fees and overstay penalties that accrue over the course of incarceration, the Bureau of Immigration will re-arrest and detain you in Bicutan Prison until you find a way to come up with the money. After paying up and convincing them that you are now a pauper, they will happily deport and blacklist you. A decade or two may have gone by before getting to that point. Friends and family may have passed away over the years, or simply forgotten about you and moved on. The government at home probably seized your home for unpaid taxes and auctioned it off. Your job skills will no longer be relevant. It is almost impossible to start over as an elderly man with nothing in America.

So, you get out of jail only to go home and wish you had offed yourself a decade or two back in the Philippines because you are penniless, homeless, and unemployable. Meanwhile, your Filipino lawyer is now a peso-millionaire from charging you American prices for legal services. The judge and the court clerks are doing well from all the fees you paid for filing numerous documents and requirements. BI made bank on all those accrued visa fees and overstay penalties. If you were found guilty of something or plead guilty to something, your accuser (s) are probably peso-millionaires too. That sure does not look like winning, for you! After considering the whole thing, the fella who knocked himself off and left the Filipinos to figure out what to do with his corpse seems like a very smart guy. If he was innocent and a victim of extortion, his action was even more rational because he did not reward corruption. He may have even discouraged future extortion attempts on Americans, as he was not a very profitable detainee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HVI1Ek_EnY

[OlderAndWiser]

No lawyer could help that fella. The law is very clear about not allowing minors to enter your residence unless they are your blood relatives. His lawyer may have argued that the film equipment, kiddie costumes and toys were circumstantial evidence. However, that would have been beside the point even if the NBI did not find incriminating photos on his devices. The dead fella was responsible for knowing the laws and obeying them. Once he breached the laws, it was too late. He faced languishing in jail for as much as a decade before going to trial. Meanwhile, he would have been prey for the hundreds of inmates infected with tuberculosis and HIV. The only way out of his predicament was the one he took. In doing so, he cheated the lawyers and NBI agents out of a considerable amount of money..

CM gives some excellent advice re dealing with neighbours kids etc but his overall conclusion: the guy's situation was so hopeless that suicide was a sensible option is IMHO fundamentally incorrect.

I do urge everyone frequenting Philippines even and perhaps especially the old timers who think they know all there is to know about life here to familiarise themselves with the law in this area in case they end up in a similar predicament.

Where CM is correct is that even having a minor in your accommodation even doing something entirely innocuous like watching TV and eating popcorn is a criminal offense. Worse still, its not just in your private accommodation, taking her on a bus ride or to a nightclub etc would also be an offense. Not knowing her age or believing her story that she is 18 will not help if it turns out she's under 18 (and the age gap between you is over 10 years). This offence is bailable but if caught you can expect the NBI to try to pin another charge that is non bailable as well such as qualified [CodeWord908] which would send you directly to jail. Before the charges are filed with the fiscal prosecutor it is at the NBIs discretion what charges to file so it is crucial that you have a good Atty to try to negotiate the best deal possible. In this particular case, the NBI are now backtracking on the Qualified [CodeWord908] charge and claiming that they were only going to charge him with a bailable offense.

If you ever find yourself in this situation, please note that they need a specific search warrant to enter private accommodation without you inviting them inside and to legally open laptops etc so please make sure your equipment is password protected, never divulge passwords to the NBI no matter how much they intimidate you and ideally don't have potentially dodgy material in the first place.

In these cases the story released by the media is often only part of the story as the media themselves are often corrupt / incompetent / working in cahoots with the NBI.

In this particular case the apparently suspicious fact that his luggage contained high end camera / lighting equipment is not so suspicious once you learn that he was a well respected documentary film cameraman / producer with a long stream of credits on mainstream Hollywood productions.

It should also be noted that "suicides" that take place in custody in the Phils are not always "voluntary" and credible information that this may be the case here is beginning to emerge. This is another important reason why if ever you find yourself in this type of situation its essential to get a decent Atty to see you ASAP.

Finally if you ever do find yourself in this dreadful situation, its not quite as desperate as CM describes, so don't top yourself! Even if you have been charged with a non bailable offence you can always file a motion for bail. The prosecutor will have to demonstrate that the evidence against you is strong for this to be denied, so if there is really nothing against you, you have a good chance to get out within a year or so. You will not get raped or physically harmed and unless you engage in dangerous behaviour such as unprotected anal sex or needle sharing you are unlikely to get HIV. Trials are averaging around 5-10 years to complete, so if there is evidence against you and you can't bail, you must be prepared for a long haul. (The Phils has a crazy system of distributing a trial over "hearings" lasting say 10-15 minutes at 1 to 6 month intervals which is why they take such an insane time to complete.) Relatively few people are ever actually convicted as generally complainants lose interest / fail to turn up so cases are often eventually dismissed. However sentences if found guilty can be draconian. For example an Australian citizen was found guilty (apparently correctly) a couple of months ago of 3 counts of date [CodeWord123] with the same girl. The trial took 7 years to complete and he has been sentenced to 120 years. His only real chance of getting out is to take the case to the Appeal Court which is expensive and time consuming.

[GoodEnough]

For those who may be amused. This is from today's "Economist. ".

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/2...le?frsc=dg%7Ce

[GoodEnough]

I have accounts with 3 different Canadian banks and they all have dropped the requirement for travel notice. In fact, they no longer have the facility to file travel notices.

When I am doing anything financial I always use my VPN and it looks like I am in Canada. I use my VPN on any system other than my own for all activity but if I am doing anything financial I use it always.

I do the same, except for the fact that I use a VPN all of the time now.

GE.

[Wicked Roger]

It's a no-brainer.

Always advise your banks where you are travelling to, and when.

I move all around SE Asia for work and I always advise my bank because I expect they will query any off-shore transactions. I like the security they provide.

Me too RK. I use HSBC everywhere and I always tell them as I move around globally as you know. Mostly this works but there is the random security check hat will block a transaction and that can be annoying especially when if locked a $1 payment for WiFi on an aircraft (a carrier I use all of the time) but best be safe than sorry.