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  1. #16026
    I've had this conversation with the staff at some of these places before. The higher prices charged to farangs is not because the management wants to be taking advantage / discriminatory against you. It's because the girls generally do not like farangs and will need motivation (I. E. Higher pay) to accept them as a customer. I frequent these places often before and after I'm done with my session. Just sitting down and chatting with the staff while watching the girls / customers walk in and out. I have seen outright refusal by some girls to accept farangs / Indians no matter how much more money the staff offered to quote the customer.

  2. #16025
    Quote Originally Posted by *****man  [View Original Post]
    Yes, East Asians get one price and savages like us have to pay a surcharge. There's no way I'm ever patronising a place that treats people like that.
    Savages may be the correct reason as to why they do this.

    I've discussed this topic at length with a friend who is a partner in one of these venues and he told me that the reason why there is an extra charge is that farangs often do the following:

    Try and strong arm the girls into providing services that they don't typically provide.

    Try to push for more pops than what other non-farang customers ask for.

    Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.

    So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.

  3. #16024
    Quote Originally Posted by LAGuy5  [View Original Post]
    Some of the exceptions seem to be budget soapies, such as Avita (or Evita) and Meree (maybe now has a new name) where I was reasonably confident the prices I paid did not include a surcharge; it is possible things have since changed there, but I kind of doubt it.

    I avoid places with farang surcharges as they rub me the wrong way.
    Ocean is probably the best option at the moment for a soapy with no surcharge.

  4. #16023
    Quote Originally Posted by *****man  [View Original Post]
    Yes, East Asians get one price and savages like us have to pay a surcharge. There's no way I'm ever patronising a place that treats people like that.
    As some additional support for this, I have conducted two "experiments" to confirm what I already knew, i.e., many of the soapies charge a farang surcharge.

    Most recently, I went to some of the soapies near the now-defunct Nataree with a Thai friend. He did not believe me when I told him about the farang surcharge. So at each soapie we visited he asked in Thai the mama or papa-san whether they charged farangs extra. Each did not hesitate to say they did even though I was sitting in front of them and they pretty much knew my Thai friend would then tell me. The surcharges were in the range 500 to 1,000 baht depending on the establishment. In fact, at one of the places the mama-san showed my friend a price list that showed the Thai and farang prices for each level of girl.

    Not so recently, a Singaporean friend of mine who could speak Thai went with me to some soapies. We decided to enter separately and then compare the prices we were quoted. At most of the soapies he was quoted a lower price than I was.

    Another interesting thing is I once visited a soapy across the river that had a sign stating that they did not charge farangs extra unlike some of the other establishments. I believe that particular soapy was related to CPII (if I remember the name correctly), which also did not charge a surcharge. But not charging a surcharge is the exception rather than the rule, at least with regard to soapies frequented largely by Thais or maybe other Asians. Some of the exceptions seem to be budget soapies, such as Avita (or Evita) and Meree (maybe now has a new name) where I was reasonably confident the prices I paid did not include a surcharge; it is possible things have since changed there, but I kind of doubt it.

    I avoid places with farang surcharges as they rub me the wrong way.

  5. #16022
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWolff  [View Original Post]
    What do you mean? Is there is a premium added on to the tab for non-asians?
    Yes, East Asians get one price and savages like us have to pay a surcharge. There's no way I'm ever patronising a place that treats people like that.

  6. #16021
    What do you mean? Is there is a premium added on to the tab for non-asians?

    Quote Originally Posted by *****man  [View Original Post]
    I can see there's a bit of a Lord love-in at the moment but it needs to be pointed out that due to their racist pricing policies, if you spend 4000 baht you're getting a girl whose true value is only 3000.

  7. #16020
    I can see there's a bit of a Lord love-in at the moment but it needs to be pointed out that due to their racist pricing policies, if you spend 4000 baht you're getting a girl whose true value is only 3000.

  8. #16019
    Quote Originally Posted by Vrsabien  [View Original Post]
    I never been to Lord but keep reading good stuff about it.

    Can anyone tell me what time it opens and closes? I can only attend after midnight but is it worth going then?

    Also the prices start from 4000 but the better girls (more model looking) are from 6000 up and the sessions all go for 2 hours?

    Finally, in your opinion (your personal tastes) if you only had 12 hours and 10,000 baht, best spend it on 2 Lord girls (5 k each) or 4 girls at 4 different shops at soi 24 oily (2. 5 k ea)?

    I am thinking the 4 girls in 12 hours at 4 different shops, diversify your investment / decrease your chances of getting a starfish?
    The Lord opens at 12 pm and closes at midnight. Don't bother going at 12 pm, there's hardly anyone there at that time. Best to go at 3 pm.

    I don't remember how long the session lasts, I think it's either 1.5 h or 2 h. Yes the prices are as what you mentioned but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For all you know the 4000 baht girl could be the sexiest / prettiest one to you.

    You mentioned you can only go after midnight? There are hardly any massage parlours that are open at that time. I do know a few places that stay open till 5 am but you need a car to get there. If you're going to be taking a taxi it'll be difficult to direct the driver if you don't speak Thai well.

    Personally I pick quality over quantity. There are 10/10 girls that cost 5,500-7,000 baht for 1.5 h that I occasionally splurge on (but they are hard to find in the first place so luck also plays a part).

  9. #16018

    Nataree

    I made numerous visits to Nataree in my trip to Bangkok in 2015, it was by far my favorite place in Bangkok, they were superior in quality as well as quantity. In all my visits I never saw any teenaged girls that they were reportedly closed for. I did see and session with young providers but they were in their early 20's. One of the chicks I sessioned was one of my all time best sessions in terms of looks and service such that I went to an ATM and returned to give her a bigger tip after the session. I remember her name even today, it was Sugar, a Thai born in Myanmar. I place a lot of emphasis on looks and will visit the Lord in my visit to Bangkok next year and will try Addicts as well.

  10. #16017
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    and the quality of Addict girls are roughly on par with the quality of Nataree girls as well.
    I don't think Addict is at all comparable to Nataree. The latter had young northern girls with no babies whereas the former has mostly milfs from Isaan.

  11. #16016
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for this great response. The Lord seems to be a good substitute for my 2015 favorite, Nataree. Will be there in 2018.
    The Lord may be a good substitute for Nataree, but it is not a like substitute. The Lord is a very different kind of place compared to Nataree. So, if you are seeking something similar to the Nataree girl experience then I suggest you go to Addicts Massage (or some other oily parlor in the same area), take a nice-looking girl that you like out their lineup, select a room with a bathtub and a 90-minute massage. The number of Addict girls in their lineup will not be anywhere close to the number of girls on site in Nataree at any given hour, but the overall in-room session will be very similar and the quality of Addict girls are roughly on par with the quality of Nataree girls as well.

    The Lord, on the other hand, is one or two steps up in class from Nataree even though there are far less girls to choose from and Lord girls for the most part are in their mid to late 20's. But the step up in class is due to having sex with better trained, better managed, more enthusiastic, carnally knowledgeable girls in a highly upgraded room albeit at a significantly higher price. I have had good times in all 3 bordellos. I like the youthful and relatively straight forward sex I have experienced in both Nataree and Addicts. But I also really like the almost Macau Sauna type service provided in the Lord. Where I go on any particular day depends on what I am in the mood for. That's what is so good about BKK.

  12. #16015
    Quote Originally Posted by Vrsabien  [View Original Post]

    Finally, in your opinion (your personal tastes) if you only had 12 hours and 10,000 baht, best spend it on 2 Lord girls (5 k each) or 4 girls at 4 different shops at soi 24 oily (2. 5 k ea)?

    I am thinking the 4 girls in 12 hours at 4 different shops, diversify your investment / decrease your chances of getting a starfish?
    IMHO, you have only one choice. You can get 4 girls from 4 different massage parlors at soi 24 or soi 24 1/2 or Soi 26 (Snow White) for 10000 THB or less. You can not get 2 Lord girls for 5000 THB each.

  13. #16014
    Quote Originally Posted by GrandaddyPerp  [View Original Post]
    Its too different experiences and both can be special depending on how you look at.

    To start, IMOP, there is no comparison between top Lord girls and top Pattaya bar girls at least in the looks department. Some of the more 'exclusive' lord girls have been in men's magazines like Maxim and FHM. They are pin-up models. They will also give you a much more 'pampered' level of service depending on how you approach them and the service you choose to go with. Whenever I've taken the exclusive girls, its been part of an extended party service with a few other guys and girls so you get the high end escort service that isn't offered if you just do a quick ST session.

    Top agogo girls can also be extremely 'hot' but in a different way. While I don't find them to be as 'sophisticated' as Lord girls, that can sometimes be a good thing if I want to just party with a lady and for her to just let it all out there. Grabbing a top level agogo girl in Patts and taking her to the club and have her grind and DFK me on the dance floor is great too. She may not have perfect white skin and teeth like the Lord girl but she can be just as hot in many other ways.

    The only thing that I would say can be a major difference is that there aren't that many truly top tier ladies in Patts agogos these days. I actually think you'll find hotter ladies FLing on the net and in the clubs. You'll also have to deal with the attitudes that some guys seemingly experience. With the soapies, its much more straight forward and there is a better pool of hotties to choose from and the service will typically be a bit more straightforward.
    Thanks for this great response. The Lord seems to be a good substitute for my 2015 favorite, Nataree. Will be there in 2018.

  14. #16013
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan7373  [View Original Post]
    I think it's normal for some ladies to start losing their interest in you, after you spend some time in the lobby looking at all the ladies.

    Because it's not only you who is picking a lady. The ladies are also picking guys in their own way.

    When you look at all the ladies, then you naturally look at some ladies longer than at others. Which gives them all a clue which ladies you are interested in. Then one of the ladies, that you are interested in, starts making a lot of eye-contact with you. While the other ladies either look away or show less interest in you. And that's what makes you pick your lady and go with her.

    When you have too many choices, then it can be so hard to decide, that you might not decide at all. You might walk out of the door to think about it some more.

    The ladies know this from their experience. And that's why they cooperate with each other to decrease your choice enough for you to pick one of them. They stop competing with each other for your attention, when they see that you are interested in one of them more than in others.
    Said like a true professional. So true and every soapy customer should read and they will start to understand girls behavior in the fishbowl better.

    I was picturing myself looking at the fishbowl for a second here like I was home.

  15. #16012
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    If it was discussed before I missed it. How do the Lords girls compare to the top tier gogo girls in Pattaya? Which are hotter?
    Its too different experiences and both can be special depending on how you look at.

    To start, IMOP, there is no comparison between top Lord girls and top Pattaya bar girls at least in the looks department. Some of the more 'exclusive' lord girls have been in men's magazines like Maxim and FHM. They are pin-up models. They will also give you a much more 'pampered' level of service depending on how you approach them and the service you choose to go with. Whenever I've taken the exclusive girls, its been part of an extended party service with a few other guys and girls so you get the high end escort service that isn't offered if you just do a quick ST session.

    Top agogo girls can also be extremely 'hot' but in a different way. While I don't find them to be as 'sophisticated' as Lord girls, that can sometimes be a good thing if I want to just party with a lady and for her to just let it all out there. Grabbing a top level agogo girl in Patts and taking her to the club and have her grind and DFK me on the dance floor is great too. She may not have perfect white skin and teeth like the Lord girl but she can be just as hot in many other ways.

    The only thing that I would say can be a major difference is that there aren't that many truly top tier ladies in Patts agogos these days. I actually think you'll find hotter ladies FLing on the net and in the clubs. You'll also have to deal with the attitudes that some guys seemingly experience. With the soapies, its much more straight forward and there is a better pool of hotties to choose from and the service will typically be a bit more straightforward.

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