Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[Grandaddy Perp]

I vaguely recall seeing a printed menu in a Bangkok restaurant about 5 years ago with two different prices posted for each item, a lower one for Thais and a higher one for everyone else. Maybe all Asians got that lower price. Don't know. I haven't seen a menu like it lately though. Of course, different prices for Thais vs Farangs is still going strong with many motorcycle taxi fares. Again, don't know if every Asian is quoted the Thai fare. The results of those products and services are fixed and bound to be the same for everyone who orders a meal at such a place or rides a motorcycle taxi from one place to another, too, much like the two tier priced soapy results I suppose.

Interesting. Never have seen two price points at a restaurant before but I have seen higher costs at restaurants in touristy areas but this seems to be a global phenomenon.

Also, taxis, motorcycle and car, in touristy areas like Suhkumvit, will often try and get higher fares from all passengers, including locals. One method that usually works for me is to just climb in close the door and tell them where I'm going. Rarely ever get said no to with this technique, which I learned from a Thai friend. One thing that the motorcycle guys will try to do is take advantage of someone who isn't in the know so its a good idea to learn the general fare rates for distance and times of day. This goes for everyone though.

One area though where there is an obvious fare difference for locals and non-locals is with tourism attractions. But I also find this to be a norm around the world. I think its unfair for locals to pay or pay the same amount as a foreigner to go to a temple or visit the Grand Palace.

[NicFrenchy]

My guess is that the origins for the farang surchage go way back to when almost all farang in Thailand had far more money than the locals or other Asians in Thailand. "They have more money, so they should pay more. " Then a range of excuses were concocted to justify it.

That would be my guess, yes.

It applies to other countries and services other than the sex industry.

Taxi? No meter, 200 thb.

Moto taxi? 40 thb for a 20 thb ride.

Some attractions also have a surcharge for non Thais.

Hotels? Most have a Thai resident rate.

[NicFrenchy]

You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior.

Now now. Hold your horses. While I agree that the behaviour of certain locals or tourists is way out of order, saying most (I read that as 7/10?) westerners are racist is ludicrous.

Been living and working here since 2004 and I can tell you the vast majority of westerners are polite and respectful.

One thing I'll give you though, is that with the arrival "en-masse" of chinese tourists, behaving as they would at home (not to their fault, they may not know better), I have seen a lot of westerners (and Thais) curse them. I do not approve of it but it is far from the majority.

[NicFrenchy]

Amusing post. 555.

I don't think "Mr. Hashimoto" would really mind. In his eyes rooting around for extraneous amounts of time with a working girl is unbecoming and expecting them to cuddle and treat him like their BF is sad. Not something he is keen to do. He'd rather choose the prettiest and whitest girl there, get his pop in an efficient and dignified manner, and be on his way.

You hit the nail on the head.

Only Foreigners (read: non Asians) think they are buying a girlfriend, treating them to dinner and breakfast in the morning, even shopping.

To each their own, we spend our money how we see fit and buy whatever experience floats our boat.

[EihTooms]

My guess is that the origins for the farang surchage go way back to when almost all farang in Thailand had far more money than the locals or other Asians in Thailand. "They have more money, so they should pay more. " Then a range of excuses were concocted to justify it.

I vaguely recall seeing a printed menu in a Bangkok restaurant about 5 years ago with two different prices posted for each item, a lower one for Thais and a higher one for everyone else. Maybe all Asians got that lower price. Don't know. I haven't seen a menu like it lately though. Of course, different prices for Thais vs Farangs is still going strong with many motorcycle taxi fares. Again, don't know if every Asian is quoted the Thai fare. The results of those products and services are fixed and bound to be the same for everyone who orders a meal at such a place or rides a motorcycle taxi from one place to another, too, much like the two tier priced soapy results I suppose.

[Goatscrot]

But in this case, it seems the extra 500 baht or whatever doesn't get you anything more than whatever the most minimal low demand customer would accept. Despite the fact that Farang customers are sometimes told the extra charge is because Farangs usually want, what, DFK, BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, two pops, BBFS, sex for most of the 90 minutes and so on from girls who would not ordinarily provide such things for their customers, I don't believe I have read many or any field reports saying that is exactly what they got for the extra money.

Don't think farangs are getting any better service for that money. The only time a soapy gal is going to go the extra mile is if she smells the opportunity to snag a sponsor, and a high dollar sponsor at that.

[Goatscrot]

You missed my point. Or perhaps I didn't illustrate it well. I think the reasons I have read for the Farang Surcharge are preposterous. And to illustrate that opinion, I posed a question about how on earth a papasan could explain that reasoning to the Asian customers.

". they add more if you're a farang. "

So, if I may ask you, what did they tell you the reason was for charging the Farangs more? Or has a reason never been mentioned and no Asian has ever asked?

My guess is that the origins for the farang surchage go way back to when almost all farang in Thailand had far more money than the locals or other Asians in Thailand. "They have more money, so they should pay more. " Then a range of excuses were concocted to justify it.

[Grandaddy Perp]

It sounds like they have settled on an amount for Asian customers above which they believe most Asians would balk while at the same time are banking on most Farangs not noticing or caring enough to balk at an even higher price. That makes more sense to me than what is apparently told to the Farangs and whatever is told to the Asian customers in the know about the price difference.

I thought if we knew what Asian customers are told about the price difference then we might be able to compare notes on what we Farangs are told and come up with something to say to the papasan to assuage their fears or at least to capitalize on it. LOL.

Actually, I was rooting for the same story being told to the Asian customers as to the Farang customers. Not being a soapy fan, if I liken it to my go-go bar experiences, it would be as if some go-go bars charge blue-eyed customers a 1000 baht barfine while charging everyone else only a 700 baht barfine. Then, if I asked the mamasan why that was the case and she said it was because blue-eyed customers tend to want DFK, BBBJ+CIM and even BBFS from their girls so we charge them more for that kind of service, I would most definitely request a favor from the mamasan to please put my brown-eyed self on the blue-eyed customer program and start charging me 1000 baht too! LOL.

But in this case, it seems the extra 500 baht or whatever doesn't get you anything more than whatever the most minimal low demand customer would accept. Despite the fact that Farang customers are sometimes told the extra charge is because Farangs usually want, what, DFK, BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, two pops, BBFS, sex for most of the 90 minutes and so on from girls who would not ordinarily provide such things for their customers, I don't believe I have read many or any field reports saying that is exactly what they got for the extra money.

I was trying to be modest in my reasoning as to why the surcharge exists but it really does come down to what AlphaPunk2 says:

"Westerners are generally not liked. You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior."

You yourself are an example of what he speaks of given your repeated use of racial stereotypes:

"I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."

Seriously? Have you seen Japanese porn? Its anything but unimaginative. Also, the whole 3-3-3 thing isn't reflective of reality.

And there is this comment:

"I don't think "Mr. Hashimoto" would really mind. In his eyes rooting around for extraneous amounts of time with a working girl is unbecoming and expecting them to cuddle and treat him like their BF is sad. Not something he is keen to do. He'd rather choose the prettiest and whitest girl there, get his pop in an efficient and dignified manner, and be on his way."

This is also the same with local men who play in this end of the pool.

You have to understand that these MPs have never really catered to lonely, sex deprived men. I won't go into too much detail about the true nature of the establishments because its not for me to tell but I will just say that Asians, or I should say the types of Asians who visit these places, haven't reached that level where women are purely and excuse my English 'cum dumpsters' or an object of release for their bottled up misogyny. For them, its mostly just a break from the office.

I get that Western progressive culture has created a lot of this pent up anger but don't take it out on Asia even if it they let you with mostly open legs.

[Ixgzca]

Has Yok from Cherry massage left the business?

Contacted shop and they said she gone back home and stopped working. Or is she working elsewhere?

Saw her there the other night. She wasn't dressed for work though. No clue what's going on.

[EihTooms]

Bingo! The mamasans and papasons carry small cards in their pockets with prices per category girl printed on them. There is one card for Asians and another for Caucasians. On one or two very rare occasions the mamasan showed me the wrong card, but she quickly recovered from her faux pas. So I assume most Asian customers are completely unaware of the two-price scheme; only those punters who read this forum, have Western friends, or are inadvertently showed the wrong card like I was would know.

These places like to present a genteel club atmosphere. The hosts therefore appear to be very discreet and do not engage in price negotiations/discussions in any depth. It's a take it or leave it and if you think the price is too high, why did you come here in the 1st place kind of attitude. Perhaps that is the real reason for the Farang tax. These places wish to discourage lower Suk type stereotypes from visiting and giving them grief or perturbance. It's discrimination alright. So, what else is new? This is LOS.

It sounds like they have settled on an amount for Asian customers above which they believe most Asians would balk while at the same time are banking on most Farangs not noticing or caring enough to balk at an even higher price. That makes more sense to me than what is apparently told to the Farangs and whatever is told to the Asian customers in the know about the price difference.

I thought if we knew what Asian customers are told about the price difference then we might be able to compare notes on what we Farangs are told and come up with something to say to the papasan to assuage their fears or at least to capitalize on it. LOL.

Actually, I was rooting for the same story being told to the Asian customers as to the Farang customers. Not being a soapy fan, if I liken it to my go-go bar experiences, it would be as if some go-go bars charge blue-eyed customers a 1000 baht barfine while charging everyone else only a 700 baht barfine. Then, if I asked the mamasan why that was the case and she said it was because blue-eyed customers tend to want DFK, BBBJ+CIM and even BBFS from their girls so we charge them more for that kind of service, I would most definitely request a favor from the mamasan to please put my brown-eyed self on the blue-eyed customer program and start charging me 1000 baht too! LOL.

But in this case, it seems the extra 500 baht or whatever doesn't get you anything more than whatever the most minimal low demand customer would accept. Despite the fact that Farang customers are sometimes told the extra charge is because Farangs usually want, what, DFK, BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, two pops, BBFS, sex for most of the 90 minutes and so on from girls who would not ordinarily provide such things for their customers, I don't believe I have read many or any field reports saying that is exactly what they got for the extra money.

[Vrsabien]

Has Yok from Cherry massage left the business?

Contacted shop and they said she gone back home and stopped working. Or is she working elsewhere?

[Vrsabien]

The Lord opens at 12 pm and closes at midnight. Don't bother going at 12 pm, there's hardly anyone there at that time. Best to go at 3 pm.

I don't remember how long the session lasts, I think it's either 1.5 h or 2 h. Yes the prices are as what you mentioned but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For all you know the 4000 baht girl could be the sexiest / prettiest one to you.

You mentioned you can only go after midnight? There are hardly any massage parlours that are open at that time. I do know a few places that stay open till 5 am but you need a car to get there. If you're going to be taking a taxi it'll be difficult to direct the driver if you don't speak Thai well.

Personally I pick quality over quantity. There are 10/10 girls that cost 5,500-7,000 baht for 1.5 h that I occasionally splurge on (but they are hard to find in the first place so luck also plays a part).

Thanks for the reply, looks like my only option is smooci after midnight as don't have a car and probably get lost in taxi.

Will try and sneak away to try Lord at 3 pm.

Is it the same each day, number of customers wise, are there punters weekends and weekdays? Might try and go on a Wednesday 3 pm.

[Uncle Volodya]

On the topic of a Farang Surcharge at some of the venues, which I suspect is actually considered an Asian Discount by everyone else involved other than us Farangs, what are the Asian customers told by the papasan is the reason for the reason for the price difference?

I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."

I mean, it's got to be explained in a more flattering (and, imo, more realistic) way than that. Something on the order of, "Mr. Hashimoto, we value your patronage and are happy to offer you a discount from the regular rate," yes?

Surely they don't keep the Asian Discount a secret from their Asian customers. So what do the papasans tell them?

Amusing post. 555.

I don't think "Mr. Hashimoto" would really mind. In his eyes rooting around for extraneous amounts of time with a working girl is unbecoming and expecting them to cuddle and treat him like their BF is sad. Not something he is keen to do. He'd rather choose the prettiest and whitest girl there, get his pop in an efficient and dignified manner, and be on his way.

I can kind of see his point. But, at heart I am a barbaric farang who wants to every p4 p situation to turn out as a PSE marathon with a GFE to top it off. 555.

We are both stuck in our own ways and I respect that.

Different strokes for different folks, as they say.

[Member #4698]

So, if I may ask you, what did they tell you the reason was for charging the Farangs more? Or has a reason never been mentioned and no Asian has ever asked?

Bingo! The mamasans and papasons carry small cards in their pockets with prices per category girl printed on them. There is one card for Asians and another for Caucasians. On one or two very rare occasions the mamasan showed me the wrong card, but she quickly recovered from her faux pas. So I assume most Asian customers are completely unaware of the two-price scheme; only those punters who read this forum, have Western friends, or are inadvertently showed the wrong card like I was would know.

These places like to present a genteel club atmosphere. The hosts therefore appear to be very discreet and do not engage in price negotiations/discussions in any depth. It's a take it or leave it and if you think the price is too high, why did you come here in the 1st place kind of attitude. Perhaps that is the real reason for the Farang tax. These places wish to discourage lower Suk type stereotypes from visiting and giving them grief or perturbance. It's discrimination alright. So, what else is new? This is LOS.

[EihTooms]

Wow this is really grinding your gears.

From my experience, as an Asian-American who doesn't have to pay a surcharge, the price is a flat rate and then they add more if you're a farang but more often than not, I'm just given the normal base price associate with the girl's code. I've never heard of an Asian discount, that's just the normal price. No explanation needed.

You missed my point. Or perhaps I didn't illustrate it well. I think the reasons I have read for the Farang Surcharge are preposterous. And to illustrate that opinion, I posed a question about how on earth a papasan could explain that reasoning to the Asian customers.

". they add more if you're a farang. "

So, if I may ask you, what did they tell you the reason was for charging the Farangs more? Or has a reason never been mentioned and no Asian has ever asked?