Kyiv

[MvuLane]

Tell your wife they made a mistake.

In many countries you can get a (legal) second passport. Just need to say that you travel a lot and your passport is often with a consulate awaiting a visa and you still need to travel during that time. Then keep one passport for Ukraine and "similar" countries and another one for mainstream travel. If you are rich you can get a second passport from another countries, just need to fork out 20 k (Comoros), 200 k many Caribbean countries and Vanuatu, a million or so (Malta, Cyprus, etc.).

[Member #4722]

Does anybody know how not to get stamp from Ukraine immigration pass? My passport now has too many and does not look good.

Tell your wife they made a mistake.

[Misterxxx]

Does anybody know how not to get stamp from Ukraine immigration pass? My passport now has too many and does not look good.

Are you from Turkey? In this case you can enter the Ukraine with your national ID and don't need a passport. That means no stamp.

Not from Turkey? Sorry, but in this case you need the passport and it's impossible to avoid a stamp.

[Deer1234]

Thank you for letting me know the site for the bus schedule.

Following this site, I went to Metro Demievska at 8 am.

However, there was no bus from there to Chernigov.

Perhaps, we need something more than google to move around in this country.

I cancelled the trip and paid the cancellation fee.

The girl just absorbed the prepayment (I was to travel to her, but she requested prepayment!

I should have followed your advice from the beginning.

Try maps. google.com.

Directions from Kyiv to "Myru Ave, 35, Chernihiv, Chernihivs'ka oblast, Ukraine, 14000".

There are trains, taking about 4 hours.

Taxi is 2 hours. Bus is 4-6 USD and under 3 hours:

https://infobus.eu/en/bus/route/from-kiev-to-chernihiv

Respected Forum veterans advise to have the girl come to you in Kiev for multiple reasons..

[Coyle]

Does anybody know how not to get stamp from Ukraine immigration pass? My passport now has too many and does not look good.

[Belvaros]

Haggling about money with a potential mistress is a very bad start to things, makes the man look stupid and / or cheap, which is why I'm trying to think everything out in advance. Probably going to go with 2000 hrv per meeting, 2 meetings per week, or over 16000 per month. That is a respectable enough offer for an LTR, but not so high as to intimidate woman or make me look like a foolish foreigner, since even well-off locals can offer that amount. 2000 is below the point at which I would start to feel uncomfortable, so leaves room for occasional bonuses or other expenses. Better to under-promise and over-deliver than the opposite.

So you are paying even the MILFs 4 x the national avg wage for 2 meetings a week.

[Riina]

Gents,

I now want to try to monger through VK and need some advice. I used to flirt with girls on VK a long time ago but have never formally looked for sex with it. Now I want to use it to find either semi pros or long term sugarbanbies. A few questions:

1. How do you identify the potential girls who may need money in return for sex? Are there any hints that they might need a client / sugar daddy?

2. Once you have identified your target, how do you talk to them? Would you just put it in a straightforward way like 'hey would you agree to have sex with me if I offer you xxx dollars', or you should put it another way?

3. What are the dos and don'ts that I need to pay attention?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Antony.

Generally speaking, do not use VK to monger. Girls are very sensitive to what you write them. A few wrong chit chats can lead to blocked profiles for suspicious behavior. VK is an important social network to Ukrainian girls and most profiles took years to grow.

Mamba is better for mongering.

[Coyle]

My friend in Kiev told me Ukrainian police started campaign to clean up sex business owners.

Many sex buyers are disappearing and local girls can't make money due to this. Is this true?

[PhotoSlider]

It has been blocked indeed, however most of the Ukrainian girls I know are still using it, so I would assume VK is still popular among Ukrainian girls. I guess they can use it with help of VPN, just like how people use facebook or twitter in China.

Same considerations must apply as while dealing with mamba. Target audience on both sides is the same.

There might be some differences due to policies and moderators on each platform. Not sure how radical those differences are.

[AntonySun1996]

I have been told VK is blocked in Ukraine so most no longer use it.

It has been blocked indeed, however most of the Ukrainian girls I know are still using it, so I would assume VK is still popular among Ukrainian girls. I guess they can use it with help of VPN, just like how people use facebook or twitter in China.

[GDreams]

Gents,

I now want to try to monger through VK and need some advice. I used to flirt with girls on VK a long time ago but have never formally looked for sex with it. Now I want to use it to find either semi pros or long term sugarbanbies. A few questions:

1. How do you identify the potential girls who may need money in return for sex? Are there any hints that they might need a client / sugar daddy?

2. Once you have identified your target, how do you talk to them? Would you just put it in a straightforward way like 'hey would you agree to have sex with me if I offer you xxx dollars', or you should put it another way?

3. What are the dos and don'ts that I need to pay attention?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Antony.

I have been told VK is blocked in Ukraine so most no longer use it.

[AntonySun1996]

Gents,

I now want to try to monger through VK and need some advice. I used to flirt with girls on VK a long time ago but have never formally looked for sex with it. Now I want to use it to find either semi pros or long term sugarbanbies. A few questions:

1. How do you identify the potential girls who may need money in return for sex? Are there any hints that they might need a client / sugar daddy?

2. Once you have identified your target, how do you talk to them? Would you just put it in a straightforward way like 'hey would you agree to have sex with me if I offer you xxx dollars', or you should put it another way?

3. What are the dos and don'ts that I need to pay attention?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Antony.

[TheDriller]

Any suggestion for a young guy to get laid? (22) with minimal bullshit. (speaking Russian).

I am looking for semi-pros (student girls that do it part time).

After looking at ukrgo I understood.

1. most of this are salons and if the photos are real they are like 8 years old.

2. you can know it by the photo, if her face is blurred in professional way some one did it for her.

If they background looks like a salon, then it is.

3. if the same phone number appears for many girls its a salon.

4. some ads state "not a salon".

Is there any chance to fish some fresh face there?

If so how?

[Kozerog]

Haggling about money with a potential mistress is a very bad start to things, makes the man look stupid and / or cheap, which is why I'm trying to think everything out in advance. Probably going to go with 2000 hrv per meeting, 2 meetings per week, or over 16000 per month. That is a respectable enough offer for an LTR, but not so high as to intimidate woman or make me look like a foolish foreigner, since even well-off locals can offer that amount. 2000 is below the point at which I would start to feel uncomfortable, so leaves room for occasional bonuses or other expenses. Better to under-promise and over-deliver than the opposite.

Changed my mind. Important thing is to feel right about what I'm doing. I actually like giving cash money to girls, given how cheap I am otherwise. So 2700 hrv ($100) per 3+ hour meeting but no restaurants, no champagne, just a bottle of Bon Aqua water worth 6 hrv, and unrenovated apartment with cheap green carpeting and old furniture like at babushka's place. She can't call me cheap because of the cash I give, but everything else is cheap, the way I like it. Also, I don't have to have a differing price for top tier 19 year old versus 35 year old MILF. All semi-pros get 2700, reliable pros get 4200 ($150+taxi), and I choose girls based on who pleases me rather than based on price, thus saving me from myself, because otherwise the cheapskate in me would always take the cheapest girl.

For anyone reading this, you need to do same mental exercise as me, so you don't get caught flat-footed. For every possible situation, have a price or price range ready that you are comfortable with, comfortable paying that price if the girl accepts and comfortable walking away if the girl asks more. Up until now, I've been using pros in Ukraine, and they make the initial offer and then I accept or refuse or perhaps counter offer. Professionals are used to negotiating and not offended by it. But with semi pros and mistresses, the man has to be the one who runs the negotiation, and it's up to him not to over negotiate, because the girl might cave in and then resent the man afterwards, which ruins things. Nothing says men less well-off than me can't go under 2700 for 3+ hours, that's just what I feel comfortable with. Less well-off men might offer 1000, which is still a good deal for an LTR with a MILF (1000/ meeting = over 8000/ month, for easy work).

[CastOnThis]

Strip clubs are dangerous. There have been several shootings at strip clubs in Kiev. Dolls, was one of them. This is the other: http://sevendaynews.com/2018/01/24/i...ting-occurred/ So, to add to the fact the majority of strippers are ugly, and demanding of tips. There is now rampant violence in them.