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[Joeee14]

I heard it is hard to monger in Krakow, is that accurate? Where can we find less expensive euro girls? Thanks, P.S. There must be a country that is less expensive, standard.

Hello Kain,

I understand your question.

Mongering Scene in Europe is not easy to describe as it depends of a lot of factors that varies from country to country.

Czech Republic was extremely cheap, but this was 12 years ago.

Now the only thing that is affordable in PRag is "showpark". I like the concept.

There are some small Czech cities with a lot of girls in the border between Bavaria and Czech Republic. It should be very cheap to monger there but I have never been there.

Poland has pretty girls and is cheap indeed, but the girls don't like / offer Paysex.

Latvia is very expensive since € arrived.

Hungary, Budapest, is bit dangerous. Prostitution is not legal there, so they rip you off.

Ukraine is weird situation as Prostitution is not legal, you have to invest a lot of time to make the contacts. I don't like this very much I don't have so much leisure time in my life.

Berlin is a city that you should take into consideration.

Advantages of Berlin:

Prostitution in Germany is legal, so the market is transparent.

Transport: You can move everywhere with metro or train, so you don't need to pay for taxi. (you don't need to read Kiril, and in the mongering scene people speak English).

Berlin is not an expensive city. Accommodation and food is affordable. There is an open minded mentality to sex and nudism.

People from different nations live in Berlin, so you can find the following girls in Berlin: Germans, Russian, Polish, Romanian, Asian, Balcan and some mixed ethnicity that are very hot.

Berlin has also other stuff to offer. So, you will not get bored.

1. - You have at least three big GB Clubs that you pay entrance (90€-120€) and can stay there all day. You get food, TV, and you can have a lot of times sex. And the girls are mostly hot. If you just want to stay few hours you pay the half. The atmosphere is cool.

2. - In Berlin you have a lot erotic massage parlors. The services varies as it depends from the girl. But very often the service is superb, specially if you are handsome to the girl. And you can ask for many extras. Massages start from 50 € for 30 min.

3. - if you are looking for girls looking like dolls and you have more money you can go to Artemis and hang around there. They have a lot of nationalities, I think, mostly "European" girls. Food is included.

4. - There are some basic Brothels, that work 24 hours. And you pay there 50 € - 60 € for 30 min.

4. - And there are some Websites, also for professionals.

Have fun,

J.

[Riina]

I heard it is hard to monger in Krakow, is that accurate? Where can we find less expensive euro girls? Thanks, P.S. There must be a country that is less expensive, standard.

Yes, Krakow is hard to monger. Kiev is the center of the Universe to most Ukrainians. Krakow isn't. Polish girls can reside and work legally throughout Europe. Ukrainians can't.

Ukraine has by far the least expensive pussy in Europe. But you're not likely to find it as a tourist.

[Tomek123]

I heard it is hard to monger in Krakow, is that accurate? Where can we find less expensive euro girls? Thanks, P.S. There must be a country that is less expensive, standard.

Poland? You're joking. Polish in the European Union. The average salary in Poland is 3 times higher than in Ukraine. You will not find a girl in Poland who is ready to work as a seller in a supermarket for $ 160 a month as in Ukraine. Among the European countries only Ukraine is now the poorest. Also Russia, but Russia has a higher salary than in Ukraine. But you need to distinguish between Moscow and the province in the rest of Russia. You can not find a very cheap pussy in Moscow. You need to go to the province but Russia is very big and there are problems with security. And you need a visa for a trip to Russia.

[Scungo]

There are two Alina Rotarus. Both have done modelling work, though one, as you say, is a long jumper. Both are cute, but it is the other Alina Rotaru (who also goes under the names Aya Beshen and Elin) that interests me. There are pages for her on vk.com and podiumlife.

Check out https://www.indexxx.com/models/95471/aya-beshen/ and her page on top-modelz.

Alina Rotaru is a Romanian athlete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alina_Rotaru

Looks pretty though.

[KainNYC]

I heard it is hard to monger in Krakow, is that accurate? Where can we find less expensive euro girls? Thanks, P.S. There must be a country that is less expensive, standard.

For pure mongering is certainly better countries where developed legal sex industry like FKK Clubs or poor color countries. Where your white skin color will be your advantage.

The problem is also that Ukrainian women love money and are ready to suck the dick for money but they do not have the mentality of a prostitute and being a prostitute is not always comfortable for them. This is the main psychological problem. The majority of veterans of mongering in Thailand or Latin America are accustomed to a simple and understandable game -You do not need any game. You are just a gringo from Canada and that's why everything is clear. The Colombian babe understands that you are a,gringo, and therefore you do not need to convince her. She just understands that she need to suck your dick. If you want anal sex she will give you this. In Ukraine there is a slightly different mentality. Therefore, such cunning guys as Steve 69 and others talk about, friendship, about,help, little nice gift etc.

The second reason is that life in Ukraine is more expensive than in south color countries. The food is not very cheap and you can not walk all year round in shorts like it does in Brazil or Manila and do not pay for heating. In my native Poland, meat and milk are cheaper than in Ukraine. And the average wage is several times higher than in Ukraine-700-800 EURO in Poland and 140-170 EURO in Ukraine. Many girls in Ukraine in the province work for 120-130 euros a month. Also many girls in Ukraine have a distorted picture of the life and work of a Westerner. They are often so stupid that they think so,-Okay. This guy in America earns 4,000 dollars. So he can easily spend 2-3,000 dollars on entertainment? . They do not understand that all your 3000-4 000 USD money goes for a loan for cars, for a house, for insurance and for food, for a school for your children..

[DramaFree11]

Nice report. T. Guys are a major issue in Ukraine and in my opinion this on major issues in the decline in Kiev, people do not want to admit this, but is the truth. They just do not behave for a variety or reasons, mostly because they can get away with bad and inappropriate behavior. In Russia T. Guys behave and act much better. Rules are enforced in Russia and they do not tolerate there behavior, this is why I enjoy Russia, so much more, not mention the girls are so much better looking, fun and little bit more honest.

Kiev they need there money and Ukraine women for whatever reason like the guys. Russian women do not, but up with there crap as much, but there are still exceptions.

Things cost as much as they cost. If a beautiful 18 year old Ukrainian girl understands that today or tomorrow she can find a Western guy without great work on a dating site like Mamba or Ukrainedate. CUm (UkraineDate.com, sorry or in an instagram, or go to a Kiev nightclub in a short skirt or short shorts. All she needs is a mysterious smile to a few Western or even Turkish guys. Among the Turkish guys there are also lawyers or architects or businessmen. In Ukraine come to serious enough serious guys from Turkey, even millionaires. Not all the Turkish guys in Ukraine are beggars who sell vegetables or carpets to the market. But of course there are and such. When she passes in the club past all these guys, then she as a woman feels how their penises go up and how their hearts are beating. Every woman feels it. All she needs is just to choose a goal and make a verbal hint..

[AntonySun1996]

I've got a real hard-on for a Ukrainian beauty called Alina Rotaru / Aya Beshen? Would really love to spend some time with her, either as an escort or just to take some explicit pics.

I had a few model types in Kiev before, but it was a long time ago through a guy whose name (if I remember it right) was Viktor Gachenko. I don't have any contacts there any more.

Alina Rotaru is a Romanian athlete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alina_Rotaru

Looks pretty though.

[GDreams]

Don't forget to send flowers to your special girls today!

[Tomek123]

I mean that 1000 to 2000 UAH per hour ought to be plenty for nearly all situations. And I mean UAH, not the equivalent in USD or Eruos. There is no reason to think or negotiate in foreign currencies. For a cashier girl, secretary, waitress, or bank teller, that amount can be up to one week's wakes. It is more than fair. You could say under 1500 for girls over 25, and 1500 to 2000 for girls under 25, or based on other factors (horniness, last day in the city, etc). My best experiences, which I called for encore performances, have been with girls in the 1200 to 1800 range. I can only have a great time if the girl also had a great time, so they are likely to come back for more. If you have a satisfactory performance, for a good price, then you can call then again, or ask for referrals. It makes for great threesomes, and you can safely assume that the friend will provide the same service and for the same price. Only once, when I returned 4 months later, a girl tried to up-sell me form 1200 to 1500. I agreed. Five months later, she tried to reduce her services. She insisted upon no kissing and covered BJ (maybe she found a BF or read some literature) . I said "no" and called two of her friends, whom she had introduced me to, and they were happy to join me.

Remember that GIA, hardened professionals, charge 4000 to 5000 UAH, and HALF of it goes to the house. An occasional semi-pro 25 year old secretary should be absolutely happy with 2000 UAH. If you meet her 3 times, she has doubled her month salary!

I do not see the point of long term arrangements unless you live there. Just pay as you go. Nor do I see the point of a 3-hour session. Who can perform for 3 hours?! Not even porn stars. Even with a 10 minute BJ, 5 minutes of chit-chat, and 5 minutes of DATY, 90 % of men would have plenty of time to finish, with 1-5 minutes left for cuddling. The length of coitus, from intromission to ejaculation, is surprisingly short, and by itself, leaves women completely unsatisfied.

Things cost as much as they cost. If a beautiful 18 year old Ukrainian girl understands that today or tomorrow she can find a Western guy without great work on a dating site like Mamba or Ukrainedate. CUm (UkraineDate.com, sorry or in an instagram, or go to a Kiev nightclub in a short skirt or short shorts. All she needs is a mysterious smile to a few Western or even Turkish guys. Among the Turkish guys there are also lawyers or architects or businessmen. In Ukraine come to serious enough serious guys from Turkey, even millionaires. Not all the Turkish guys in Ukraine are beggars who sell vegetables or carpets to the market. But of course there are and such. When she passes in the club past all these guys, then she as a woman feels how their penises go up and how their hearts are beating. Every woman feels it. All she needs is just to choose a goal and make a verbal hint.

And after 2 hours we already hear heavy men's breath hear slaps on the ass and men's raucous cries in the corridor of some hotel and cries in the style of Pierre Woodman! Yes! Aaaa. Oh, yes! AAAA. AAAA. Yeee. Yes. I cummm. AA, . I'm not the first year in Ukraine and I can perfectly see how easy it sometimes happens when a girl really wants to buy herself new beautiful shoes or good cosmetics. A beautiful young girl next to it is always stress for most men. Add some more alcohol here. This lawyer from Istanbul simply begins to think of another head. In his pants. He sees beautiful hair and long legs and an ass in short shorts and his penis sticks out like an iron pipe. Or is it a lawyer from Toronto. He understands that a similar girl in Toronto can cost even 800-1 000 dollars. This is not an African American girl. Not Mexican. No body from Cambodia or Vietnam. This is a beautiful white girl. Not so many beautiful young white girls in Canada in general are ready to fuck for money. They just do not need money. And not every beautiful girl in Canada man dare to offer sex for money. In the end it can end with an appeal to the police and problems. You can easily get into an idiotic situation. To meet on the street in Canada with young nice white girl with the words of my Canadian friend this is not the same as getting acquainted in Kiev.

But here this guy from Canada understands that this girl in short shorts can be in his bed. Understanding this deprives him of the ability to think rationally. You can talk to such a man man, $ 150 is too much. Do not do it! !! You raise the price! You're an idiot!! It is enough for half of this amount! Do not be a nerd! You're an idiot!! It is enough for half of this amount! Do not be a nerd! But it all does not matter. His reason is not capable of working rationally. He sees before him a good ass in short shorts and his dick stands like a stick. This needs to be understood. While there are enough guys willing to pay 100-200 dollars to finish the mouth of a beautiful student from Kiev, the prices will not fall.

This is the law of the market. If you can rent your apartment in a city like Kharkov for 4000 hryvnia per month, then you will not rent it for 2,000 hryvnia. Why, if you can have twice as much. What is in it logics? If there is a severe crisis, then the rental price also falls quickly. Because people can not withdraw for such money. So with girls. If the girl understands that she can get not 1500 hryvnia and 2500, then why should she have less? We can hate or curse the guys who raise the prices. But this is the market. It hurts so hard on guys like me who earn less than the guys from Canada.

Yes. Poland is not USA or UK or Canada unfortunately. Yes. But I have to do more street work and look for a pussy away from Kiev. This is my tactic. But what can I do?

Many western guys from sultry Greece to cold forest Canada want to fuck a tall thin white pussy with blue eyes and white skin or finish it in her mouth.

There are only a few countries in the world where they can find such a pussy at a cheap price. It's Russia and Ukraine. But still add to this list of Arab and Turkish guys. Who also want a Ukrainian white pussy. But Ukrainian girls do not get any more. On the contrary. Many girls leave for rich countries and stay there forever. Many marry Western guys. For Turkish guys. For Arab guys married.

So pussy and hot mouth will inevitably grow in price. It's a market. Especially for many guys fucking a white European girl it's still a much more keen pleasure than fucking Vietnamese or Thai girls. Or in Kenya or Swaziland.

We can hate these guys and curse them for their stupidity. But what can we do. We can write a million times here on the forum-do not raise the price! This pussy is not worth 150 dollars! It costs 70 dollars! Do not be idiots!

Yes. But what will it change? This is the economy, this is the law of the market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR89NL7ho7I

Nice video. Cute Ukrainian girls dancing.

[Scungo]

I've got a real hard-on for a Ukrainian beauty called Alina Rotaru / Aya Beshen? Would really love to spend some time with her, either as an escort or just to take some explicit pics.

I had a few model types in Kiev before, but it was a long time ago through a guy whose name (if I remember it right) was Viktor Gachenko. I don't have any contacts there any more.

[AntonySun1996]

Hi gents,

Some other questions that I would like to humbly ask you.

I have never tried GIA, but during my next trip I would. Which GIA girl is the best do you think?

I know that GIA has quality control, but from their photos I could see that not all of them are hot to me.

I prefer blondes with decently big boobs, and it seems that Sonia is the right one.

Has anyone had experience with Sonia? Is she as hot as in photos? Or do you have other girls to recommend?

With much thanks.

Anthony.

[AntonySun1996]

Hi gents,

Would anyone like to share some real profiles of girls on websites? Blonde, and big boobs preferred.

Cheers.

[PhotoSlider]

It's actually 60-40; the house receiving 60 percent. Greasing police and politicians is expensive.

Good info. Therefore 6000 UAH girls are getting 90 USD for the first hour. 4000 UAH Dominika gets 60 USD. Longer appointments lower the average hourly rate at GIA, making it more attractive for 8-10 hours engagements that I like. Needless to say girls make better money when additional services are ordered by the customer. I am not getting into discussion of whether they report upsell earnings to GIA accounting.

The difference with regular call girls agency is the price, and how the customers and girls are treated. GIA doesn't call 10 seconds before customer is about to ejaculate asking if he would like to extend for another hour when his time expires in 10 minutes.

GIA also claims girls have a choice in making their decisions on when to work or not, as well as DFK and such. Up to a point they certainly do, as long as GIA itself makes enough money. Not sure why GIA doesn't expand beyond 30-40 girls. Perhaps that's the saturation point for this market segment. GIA mentioned they have many candidates per single vacancy when it opens up.

Once upon a time I ordered 20 years old Emily from Krasnoarmeyska / Velika Vasilkovska 42. Agency took 1800 UAH an hour. At my place she kept pushing BBBJ and DATY extras, I declined upsell because BBBJ doesn't mean much to me, and most important she wasn't that great in bed. Attractive physically but not emotionally she was the usual nervous girl that didn't enjoy it anymore and only cared about the money. She insisted one more time on extras complaining about her miserable life saying that out of 1800 base fee she gets only something like 300 or 600, I forgot the exact number. I thought that she would have better upsell and extend chances if she delivered higher quality basic services and simply said good bye. I almost never pay for extras to anybody, no matter how hot. Prefer that the girl does it because she is delighted, because she wants it herself as the action progresses. Not because she earns more. Monetary factor should be out of the way beforehand, seems to affect my erection otherwise).

My ratio during visiting Kiev is for every 10 hourly call girls I do 1 visit to Rio with or without takeout, and 1 or 2 GIA longer appointments. I like the variety and surprise factor that good hourly call girl non-GIA agency provides. GIA is expensive, but with them usually I do not have to worry about quality, and take the pleasure of having company of an elegant girl.

One law student said in 2003: "This is a job for me and I decided that I might as well be very good at what I am doing here and take the pleasure in it myself".

In 2016 I asked another young beauty:

- What do you do?

- I give happiness to people!

- Certainly. And besides that?

- I am biochemistry student.

Only true independents get 100%. I wonder if any of the mamba girls pay protection money.

[PhotoSlider]

...I do not see the point of long term arrangements unless you live there. Just pay as you go. Nor do I see the point of a 3-hour session. Who can perform for 3 hours?! Not even porn stars. Even with a 10 minute BJ, 5 minutes of chit-chat, and 5 minutes of DATY, 90 % of men would have plenty of time to finish, with 1-5 minutes left for cuddling. The length of coitus, from intromission to ejaculation, is surprisingly short, and by itself, leaves women completely unsatisfied...

I prefer longer, and not because of exceptional masculinity. I like keeping my ladies satisfied. What can be better than horny 5'9" 20 years old beauty with gorgeous long hair on her sweaty face, saying to you sincerely: "Thank you! It was awesome!

Or at least when she's acting convincingly enough.

Agree that 1 hour is sufficient for most of the outcalls coming to you. 1 out of 10 or so I extend to 2 hours.

If she's an intelligent GIA girl, or a well known GF, then for myself 6-8 hours is a minimum to experience the joy to full extent, and 2-3 days is not unheard of. 10 days might be stretching it too far even for exceptional ones. By 6th or 7th day I start cheating on my dedicated beauties even while they are guarding their source of income and tell me not to tip the girls in Rio while visiting together. That's BTW is the selection criteria. If GF du jour enjoys going to stripclub together, then it is a relationship that has a chance to last many years, otherwise she gets pushed aside because personal freedom is paramount.

...The cover charge, little sexy dress, high heeled shoes, hair, make-up, nails, and handbag, all add to their overhead costs, and they have to recoup them...

When she is in my bed, I may notice impeccable manicure, but not for long, and her responsiveness means so much more.

The morning after without any make up is even more fun, as some girls become shy, some are proud of their natural beauty walking around in my T-shirt. Handbag and iPhone model I could care less about, as they do not add to performance. They are status symbols, and maybe I am atypical monger, as I find Huawei smartphone or old model Samsung so cute and special in the hands of a sophomore student! That means she doesn't have enough money, and I can and am willing to help.

It is not just the money. You really do not know what you will get until after you get it. Even a playboy playmate lookalike, for 5000 UAH, could end up giving you uninspired sex. For that much, you could try out 2 or 3 university students or young single mums, and found one that was worth repeating. Next time, you can ask her to put on her sexiest little dress and high heels!

5000 UAH juice squeezers and vacuum cleaners suck big time. Except for some GIA girls, and as you said in reality they are 2500 UAH or less. I know at least one office worker who is currently employed by GIA. Great young lady. Smart, tender, gorgeous and so much fun!

High heels are good when we go out and she is so much taller. It used to concern me, and then one masseuse explained that it is actually so cool to be escorted by a taller lady or even two of them. After that I stopped requesting GIA to send me girls with low profile shoes. One of them "forgot" her louboutins in my residence. Kiev ladies are so creative.

Great post, Stevie!

[Timmy21]

Remember that GIA, hardened professionals, charge 4000 to 5000 UAH, and HALF of it goes to the house. An occasional semi-pro 25 year old secretary should be absolutely happy with 2000 UAH. If you meet her 3 times, she has doubled her month salary!

It's actually 60-40; the house receiving 60 percent. Greasing police and politicians is expensive.