German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[XXL]

As for the rest, state sponsored repression of who and under what terms we sleep with consent people over 16 is a peculiar thing and one that opens some interesting power issues.

An even more interesting question is why is it the Germans, of all people, who grant us men the right to have fun, while the allies of WWII (US, UK etc.) do not tolerate us men having fun?

On top of their historical baggage, the Germans have the reputation to be righteous, to have little sense of humour and to be sticklers for legality. And yet it is the Germans who give us men this space of freedom, not the victors of 1945.

[Rogue Nation]

when groups of male friends can behave like, men, that is chilling out and partaking of luscious young women in their prime.

Do you really believe what you are posting here? Or just trying to provoke some reactions? FKKs are brothels with a nicer front to them, they are not the real world. If they were, why don't you and your friends go to a "discotheque", chilling out and partaking of luscious young women in their prime there? Oh forgot, that wouldn't work out so well.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Neurosynth has a good point.

Well, the first thing is that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence; and that people are not honest as Mr Kinsey found out in the 1950's. Nor am I apologizing for the rants he refers to.

Women are very different and also corralled into countries / race / economic spheres / political system. What I was getting at is a fairly narrow complaint around western countries and specifically the USA. It is not hate women. It is that men in the USA need to become emotionally and financially resilient rather than laying the whole deck down on one individual (ie a women) and lash out when this foolish concentration of risk detonates. This is what FKKs are the opposite of when groups of male friends can behave like, men, that is chilling out and partaking of luscious young women in their prime.

As for the rest, state sponsored repression of who and under what terms we sleep with consent people over 16 is a peculiar thing and one that opens some interesting power issues.

[Pistons]

If you've read one "caveman manifesto" you've read them all.

Guys if you must make these women-hating, insult filled, pseudo-scientific, psyche-purging, mythology filled screeds, please at least make them a bit legitimate by including some evidence. By evidence I don't mean speculation that fits your psychological needs. I mean real evidence like peer-reviewed scientific studies, or articles, or books written by recognized experts.

What I see in these posts are the ravings one might expect from a wandering drunk locked out of his bar past closing time.

I based my ravings on lecture 2 or 3 (been awhile since I saw those now) by the same Yale professors. Its all in there if you care to watch it. It is a very interesting piece of 'caveman manifesto' indeed. All based on science. Time is better spent watching those lectures than writing in here. Especially if all one does is typing down comic book literature on what society believes in. Comic book writers are not normally scientists, yet people take them for granted.

[Mr Ho]

I actually love women and so do most mongers. A lot of the vitriol is directed at femi nazis and unless you are oblivious to reality there are loads of them around and they have political influence. Were you ever married? You do know the rules are stacked against you.

Is the anti prostitution cartel led by fat ugly resentful bitches? That isn't rocket science, the more they restrict our options the more power they have.

I love fucking beautiful women, but I do not love them as human beings period. I just love having sex with them, not more not less.

[Delta Indigo]

If you've read one "caveman manifesto" you've read them all.

Guys if you must make these women-hating, insult filled, pseudo-scientific, psyche-purging, mythology filled screeds, please at least make them a bit legitimate by including some evidence. By evidence I don't mean speculation that fits your psychological needs. I mean real evidence like peer-reviewed scientific studies, or articles, or books written by recognized experts.

What I see in these posts are the ravings one might expect from a wandering drunk locked out of his bar past closing time.

I actually love women and so do most mongers. A lot of the vitriol is directed at femi nazis and unless you are oblivious to reality there are loads of them around and they have political influence. Were you ever married? You do know the rules are stacked against you.

Is the anti prostitution cartel led by fat ugly resentful girls? That isn't rocket science, the more they restrict our options the more power they have.

[Neurosynth]

If you've read one "caveman manifesto" you've read them all.

Guys if you must make these women-hating, insult filled, pseudo-scientific, psyche-purging, mythology filled screeds, please at least make them a bit legitimate by including some evidence. By evidence I don't mean speculation that fits your psychological needs. I mean real evidence like peer-reviewed scientific studies, or articles, or books written by recognized experts.

What I see in these posts are the ravings one might expect from a wandering drunk locked out of his bar past closing time.

[Pistons]

HungryStud: As a matter of fact, I have discussed geopolitics with a WG. A few of them are quite up to date. OK, perhaps not everyone, but Cheyenne at Oase is quite well read it seems.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Takedown, the irony of CIM and respect are not mutually exclusive save the old Roman style told by Cicero of subjugation by style of flagrante delicto.

[Pistons]

Sex is the main reason money was created in the first place, and the main reason power over resources started. (And sex is about reproduction).

Money was created so that older men would have more of it than younger men. Thus younger women would seek out to have sex with older men more than with younger men. Henceforth the ancient story of an older man and a younger woman. But don't fool yourself into thinking it is a natural instinctive desire for a woman to be sexually into older men. If it was, then money would not have been invented in the first place as a mechanism of doing so. It is a result of the capitalistic plot. Men, just like women age. 40 years doesn't have to be the end however. I have seen MILFs at around 50 also. But stretching it much further than that is harder.

By the same logic and history, prostitution was not the reaction of money, and the first 'job' in the world. Prostitution was the cause, and the reason to create money in the first place. Think about that the next time you lift a salary.

P.S: Even faiths and religious beliefs mentions this link if you look carefully. But the forum won't allow me to delve into this matter.

[Pahllus Maximus]

What a concept. Intelligent, free men of all ages enjoying each other's company and intellect whilst we ogle beautiful young women. That is what the bull dykes and sexually invisible sisters and their nihilistic cliches are jealous and fearful of. Because takes male eyeballs and resources away from their cloying grasp. And also because women mostly lose their looks after 40 and grannies ogling young guys at FKK's is just not what women generally do, and why there is no market for it. In essence, they lose their sexual force and a key part of a woman's identity and power, namely looks. Women do not dress up and put on makeup just for the hell of it. And of course, there are many women who do not have this female character flaw.

Women are jealous that we are men and are able to get lucky when they cannot or are not interested. It is our life force they resent. We can have gret hair and be senior and still have pretty young things smiling at us. Not so with the older, ordinary, chubby female.

I am coming round to the idea that the men's groups are angry for the wrong reasons. Those guys invested too much emotionally and financially in trusting a single point of failure (a western woman) rather than the ancient way of when men formed strong and close social groups and spread their trust and emotional bets with each other. The traditional society saw men in engaged in fun things, whether a coffee, fishing are chasing pretty girls. The Masons, Lion's and Rotary Clubs were more or less a cover story to hang out and do useful things. Women certainly spread their bets and whining amongst other women (and in the West, do not spare their male partner from their whining and complaining).

This lost art of masculine society what we as men forgot and why we feel marooned by feminism; the West lost sight of the best part of being a man: having fun and trusted relationships with other men unpolluted by sexual tension and haveing some time out from being a captive breadwinner for ungrateful women and their often ungrateful brood. Just ask any parent about teenagers if you doubt that.

And so when marriages break up, and statistically they are biased at doing so, men get fucked over, not just by the legal system, but aso emotionally. They forgot to build redundancy. Back up. Into their lives. Whining about women and feminism and blaming it or the entire femail population is not the answer. The answer is to act like a man, be emotionally stong and open, but well in advance, and with trusted male friends. We need to teach young men and ourselves this ancient art.

I have a theory that insecure women are terrified of us figuring this, being resiliant out and not needing them so much, or at all. Hookers are the perfect bit of fluff for men, we get the best of all worlds: NOT being under the pussy monopoly or foolishly having ivested our whole deck of emotional cards with a single point of failure woman.

So, what this has to do with P2 P is this: rather than living under tyranny of P2 P unfriendly countries (in fact anti-male, but dressed up as trafficking, itself caused by artificial scarcity and supra profits = crime), leave them be.

Join the talent and money exodus from our failed social experiment in the USA that is now just a market, and one with highly repressive laws and militarized cops who shoot and arrest indiscriminately, like unpaid $50 parking tickets in many places.

Those in control take offense that as living, functioning red-blooded males, we like pretty women and engage in the oldest tradition that was invented about the same time when people started trading food and shelter. The reasons are deeply rooted in economics and controlling and channeling male energy, talent, wealth creation toward reproductive enslavement.

We have anti-P2 P laws abut ignore kooks with assault rifles and regular mass slaughter. The only thing I want to shoot is my seed into the hot mouth of a pretty girl. It strikes me as inherently deranged that it is legal to buy assault rifles (that are inherently anti-social and deadly) but frown upon and spend resources trying to cock block and lecturing us about male entitlement.

I'd wager 95% of the guys here and elsewhere will show chivalry very naturally and automatically when put the position of needing to protect women and kids. We don't need their condescending bullshit lectures or dictating who we can consensually sleep with.

[Mongerer88]

Given the number of Romanians in an FKK, it seems that perhaps a few are doing applied economics, if this article is to be believed.

http://positivenewsromania.com/2017/...nomics-sector/

Very well said. These girls are the ultimate capitalists / salespeople / small business owners. They really have to hustle to "make-it" and the ones that survive have to be quick thinkers. They absorb languages like a sponge and they size me up at a glance. They segment their customers at a glance. Is it racist? I don't think they care. They care about extracting as much money as they can per hour to maximize profits. Socialism does not exist at the FKK.

I sometimes wonder why there is very little service after the sale. There is, when I drop 300+ for a 3 sum or spend 2-hours with a repeat girl. Then I realize, that there would be more service after sale if they thought, based on experimental data, that they could extract more money to maximize profits. I have never discussed integral calculus or geopolitics with any of them but I know I am a fool to think I can outwit these sharks playing their game on their court. These sharks that have survived in a shark tank that is. I realize that I am a hobbyist and a binge hobbyist at that. These girls are professionals.

Whenever I let my guard down it's bam. There goes my budget. LOL I love it.

[Pistons]

Totally agree, but funny that the FKK system itself is like a socialism at its best. Basic E50 for 30 minutes plus sometimes happy hour and other entry discounts. A euphoric dream compared to other parts of the world. Place caring for the disabled, the elderly, the lonely, the veterans, people with no social skills, and us, the horny hobbyists! Most wonderful and humane environment that must be preserved and cherished despite occasional sharky girls LOL.

Indeed, but the top girls (by any measurement) gets so much more appealing than the less appealing girls when prices are even. So the differences shoots through the roof. Elsewhere in society, top girls would have prized themselves out of the market, and most likely their monthly or yearly income would fall due to it. (Some top girls might some places say "well, I get away with lesser service. Everybody still wants me". And they might be right for awhile if their optics are stellar. (But eventually service will catch up to them).

The prices are set at rates where the total income is believed to be the highest, and that is where they don't shun parts of the potential customer base. Weather or not they hit the perfect spot at 50 is a different question. Perhaps not. Especially when we see upselling ruining the basic static pricing structure. So girls are unhappy with the 50's, and then the overall income drops. Alternatively one can say that clubs have no control over the pricing structure in their clubs any longer, and pricing strategy has been lost in the sand, hurting integrity and income levels both for the clubs and girls. Some German clubs might just attract more top girls and gain more customers if they dared to go up to 60, 65 or even 70. As that is a much better way of fragmenting the market than the current situation leads to. But only if most types of upselling stopped. And it could be difficult now with the BBBJ ban.

[McAdonis]

I sometimes wonder why there is very little service after the sale. There is, when I drop 300+ for a 3 sum or spend 2-hours with a repeat girl. Then I realize, that there would be more service after sale if they thought, based on experimental data, that they could extract more money to maximize profits.

Regarding being able to extract more money, you probably don't come across as what another poster, Horny Harry, refers to as a "lovesick puppy".

Does the WG believe she can easily get the monger to "fall" for her? She can profile the customer to see if he is lovesick puppy material: Is he depressed or lonely? New to the hobby Recently divorced? Recently recovering from a major illness? Older? Emotionally needy?

But if service after sale is seriously a concern, you can try either clubs that are less busy or attending off-peak hours. It seems you are spending the minimums. Sometimes the service after sale is not just about cultivating a relationship with the monger she is sitting with, but it also can be good advertising for other customers who are watching. It also enhances her "scarcity" factor.

I have never discussed integral calculus or geopolitics with any of them but I know I am a fool to think I can outwit these sharks playing their game on their court. These sharks that have survived in a shark tank that is. I realize that I am a hobbyist and a binge hobbyist at that. These girls are professionals.

Whenever I let my guard down it's bam. There goes my budget. LOL I love it.

WGs need not be more intelligent than a monger. The WGs know from past experience that "romantic love" will short-circuit the rational and logical-side part of the monger's brain. When an otherwise intelligent person is overcome with emotions, his judgement is impaired. Wishful thinking and self-deception set in. When a monger has fallen for a WG, and already invested a fortune, he fears ending the transactions, because he fears any hopes for a "real" romantic relationship will end there as well.

[Mr Ho]

Totally agree, but funny that the FKK system itself is like a socialism at its best. Basic E50 for 30 minutes plus sometimes happy hour and other entry discounts. A euphoric dream compared to other parts of the world. Place caring for the disabled, the elderly, the lonely, the veterans, people with no social skills, and us, the horny hobbyists! Most wonderful and humane environment that must be preserved and cherished despite occasional sharky girls LOL.

How about socialism exist in FKK supported by capitalism LOL This is true LOL.