German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Pahllus Maximus]

Jnp30: money does not equal alpha. Binary statements are less than persuasive. Life is far more fluid. There are plenty of people with net worth well north of USD 100 m who acquired it as trust fund babies, random luck in IPO's and the crony capitalist class along with the self made. Many are remarkably conventional and boring and straight jacketed by expectations and lack of imagination. Others are scared cats who jump at anything and lock themselves away. Many do not travel. Others are serious drunks and druggies. Some have it all: clever, fit, humble, adventurous and good looking.

Money does not equal feats of intellectual or entrepreneurial brilliance, physical bravery, risk taking with your own money, or hard work. There is some overlap, but just as many exceptions. I have personal experience in this in four continents. Walk along Knightsbrige or Chelsea in London or New York or go to a polo match and you will see what I mean. Plenty of pussy whipped tubs of lard treated like infants by their minders.

The very terms alpha and beta imply submissiveness and inferiority relative to something else.

I think Takedown nailed it: the alpha keeps his own counsel, ignore false flags and false value / virtue signalers and has the courage to follow his vision when everyone is flagging him down telling him he is going the wrong way. He also admits error promptly, questions assumptions, and corrects course. The fellow handy to have around when the chips are down or everyone else is running around like chickens who is calm. This class is heavily found in entrepreneurs, radicals and to an extent illegal entrepreneurs we label criminals (depending upon jurisdiction). Women can be alphas too. It does not mean being an emotional cripple are hair, muscle bound macho man. It's attitude. You can mostly interchange male and female with what follow below.

The beta male is a slave to cliches, sacred cow assumptions and easily flattered or scared. The beta puts up with low level women taking all his pride, income and rations out (and withholds) sex and affection to force conformity. Weakness is to not know ones own worth, lacking of pride, procrastination and making bad personal choices. The femi-nazis in the USA make out that 100% of men are predators and sort of criminalize just being male (look at ration of male school teachers). The US beta bets everything on a single point of failure and has little or no no internal guidance.

To hell with with femi-nazis and their herbal / organic tea leaf lefty bullshit. I love intelligent, good looking, fun, independent, trustworthy women who know their worth and love to earn male attention by being pleasant in bed and out of bed. It's just that that there is a shortage of them. And I like variety. We are not designed to be monogamous as mammals.

So we make do with FKKs for normal human touch, recreation and company. The people who want to restrict sex are the priests and kooks who are regularly busted for kiddie porn dungeons etc or bull dykes or unloved and unlovable heifers. FKK's offer swimming pools, BBQ and more. Eventually they will offer a real gym and become proper resorts for men. Removing scarcity of sex and having lots of eye candy puts a spring in your step.

Ask yourself: why indeed are they so inconsolably angry about the sexual joy of men? Any why should they have the right to dictate our biology and life choices?

[Vito Corleone]

A couple of weeks ago I was in Europe for business and I was able to go to the FKK 4 times and I loved it and spent a fortune. This week I am at Disney on vacation and I hate it and I am spending more money. I walk around Disney looking at these pretty hot MILFs thinking "Hmm, I'd give that one 50 Euros for 30 minutes and that one I would be willing to go 1-hour for 100 Euros" and "I wonder if Snow White and Cinderella are interactive. ".

I do the same thing. Hmmm I would do her for 50! Wouldn't do her for 50 but maybe 30 in the rtc's. 4 ribeye steaks costs $43? That's a half hour with Hanna at Acapulco! $80 to fill up my gas tank?! That's a 30 min BJ with CIM!

[HungryStud101]

A couple of weeks ago I was in Europe for business and I was able to go to the FKK 4 times and I loved it and spent a fortune. This week I am at Disney on vacation and I hate it and I am spending more money. I walk around Disney looking at these pretty hot MILFs thinking "Hmm, I'd give that one 50 Euros for 30 minutes and that one I would be willing to go 1-hour for 100 Euros" and "I wonder if Snow White and Cinderella are interactive. ".

Why don't they erect an FKK in Epcot? I can't wait to get back to work.

Sorry for posting so damn much in these threads. I'm going to sit near the water and read books the next week.

Have fun in FKK land. I miss it.

[Pistons]

What is a beta male? Not agreeing with the anti women garbage makes you a beta male?

In 21st century, you are an alpha male if you make or have plenty of money, and have the freedom that comes with it. If you don't, you are a beta male.

In most cases you are right until now yes. Until #metoo. After this, a man also needs the good looks and physique. Part of equality for women is that they want the same optics men want in women. So we all better hit the gym. And some claim we also need to start using male make up. LOL. I saw a story about how normal that is in Korea. Scared me a bit.

[Pistons]

Sure.

Any one that doesn't fit your political agenda is a Feminist, and all men who subscribe to views that don't agree with yours must be pushovers, regardless of how successful they are.

Yes, let's go with that.

Not at all. The reasoning behind the creation of money would fit very well into a feminist agenda, as the feminist idea of equal pay would nullify part of it. However it would still give advantages to older adults over younger adults drenched in loans. Nothing is black and white. There is not just a sex war going on, there is also a generational war too.

[Samson Monger]

Sure.

Any one that doesn't fit your political agenda is a Feminist, and all men who subscribe to views that don't agree with yours must be pushovers, regardless of how successful they are.

Yes, let's go with that.

Not at all what I said. But you can choose to discuss without reading carefully. Such is often the nature of internet boards.

[Member #4581]

Sure.

Any one that doesn't fit your political agenda is a Feminist, and all men who subscribe to views that don't agree with yours must be pushovers, regardless of how successful they are.

Yes, let's go with that.

[Pistons]

Pistons, if you have evidence that backs up your opinions, just show it here. Just waving your hands and saying "oh it's all science, watch this hour long video" is not a well formed argument, it's a copout.

For example you said:

Where is your "scientific" and "anthropological" evidence that this little myth of yours has any truth at all. How would you disprove the simple hypothesis that money merely made material trade easier by providing a fungible medium, and had nothing to do with sex per se.

As I said, I don't recall where in the lecture he mentionned it regarding money, but to see the buildup to what is money essentially, watching the first lecture at least, is vital to get the backgroud. You can call this whatever fancy word you want for all I care.

All I am saying is that I rather trust in a Yale professor than on a bigwig on an anonymous internet discussion board. Heck, I trust a professor from Yale over 99% of all journalism I read also. He even starts his first lecture by pointing out how extensively wrong so many people in society are regarding these things. And as opposed to 99% of other people, his logic seems solid to me.

Besides, trade came way later than the exchange of sex for resources. But again, you need to see the background for this to understand it.

[Mr Ho]

What is a beta male? Not agreeing with the anti women garbage makes you a beta male?

In 21st century, you are an alpha male if you make or have plenty of money, and have the freedom that comes with it. If you don't, you are a beta male.

I would say money and some will to be enlighten supported by proper function brain that can think for himself. I say this because I know many people with money still stuck with society norms and arrest themselves with so many restrictions, rules etc and conduct very uncomfortable life, but it is comfort for their blocked mindset.

I think what most important after gaining money is to be able to think for themselves and have courage go off road to society norms because that is where the fun is. Well at least that is where the fun is for professional mongers LOL.

Also it is important I think to abandon the position and turn your mindset to zero fuck given supported by money.

Yeah Zero fuck given supported by money is the way to go in FKK land.

[Takedown]

What is a beta male? Not agreeing with the anti women garbage makes you a beta male?

In 21st century, you are an alpha male if you make or have plenty of money, and have the freedom that comes with it. If you don't, you are a beta male.

Read the posts that I quoted more carefully. They specifically point out that it was not about being anti women, it was anti femi-nazism.

Beta male = pushover.

Beta males are the ones who succumb to the wishes of the phoney signal valuers. You can have all the money you want but if someone else is running your finances, you're probably a beta male.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Firstly, some hilarious comments, like "Presumably, before humanity invented this feminist species, honey and milk and booze flowed freely throughout the land and every man had a million young girls to fuck in his personal harem". True, though Tiberius and nobility have always had sex on demand. It's the rest of us who struggle in the competition for shelter, food, love and sex.

The comment about a brothel being somehow a functional, transaction only place with men in private (and perhaps shameful?) bubbles ignores the inherent social interaction and vulnerability. It also ignores that people becomes friends at restaurants and indeed anywhere humans congregate. I have in times past hung out with guys in discos and scored many times with the girls. Brothels simply increase the odds of scoring and strip away the posturing. You still have to decide what (if anything) proceeds beyond a meeting and what time resources and authenticity you choose to invest, and that applies to the girls and / or other punters that range from Jabba the Hutt to sophisticated, fit post-graduate alpha males. Who makes us feel ashamed? And why should we be ashamed? Do you feel shamed buying a meal at a restaurant? Staying at a hotel? Why is sex any different? It needs to be brought into the daylight. That is what Germany has done, in a manner of speaking.

Thanks Pistons for the lectures. I learned something. It is a good question why Germany is so liberated. I'm no sociologist, but here goes. Firstly, Europe can and does differentiate between nudity and sexuality. Secondly, Germans tend to be pretty direct and no bullshit, unlike the USA where there is a lot of window dressing, politeness and concealment. UK English might better be called "euphemism" such is its degree of indirection. My experience in life is that serious, active people tend to be active below the belt, and that describes Germany. Thirdly, I think Germany is all about building and creating (why so many have serious arts and crafts and hobbies) and are not distracted by what other people get up where it is harmless. Fourthly is the rational mindset of "biology and history are this, we must accept it and get on with it". Fifthly is that freedom of sexuality is solace for grey sky and hard work and an expression of life force.

Germany is not the only country with liberated sexuality. Netherlands is another, Australia and New Zealand legalised in the 1980's on the same idea better to decriminalise it and tax it that gets around the corruption created by any artificial shortage. As I learn German, read Faust and more, I see that this land is an amalgamation of very different cultures with a bit of the Calvinist work ethic but also a long tradition of tolerance and innovation needed to be a successful trading economy. My experience in Germany is yes, a bit legalistic, but deeply rational and a well traveled, educated and informed population. The latter I think is the key. It is ignorance, mindless slogans, denial of reality, impulsiveness of making laws for the current whim, grand standing politicians and fake binary choices like in the USA that creates the mischief. Look at the insane money spent on the drugs and sex prohibition that has utterly failed society and its goal. Germany is smarter.

As to the nazis, they were quite debauched and frisky, and the 1920's was very risque. There is a current series called "Berlin" that is 100% German filmed in Berlin that does an excellent job of explaining the zeitgeist. I love this country.

[Member #4581]

because I got a private message from one member right after I posted my view about posting BBBJ on ISG on LR thread, and he told me that you (I just double-checked it is you) were a major ISG member who encouraged other members to post illegal activities in FKK clubs.


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Let other members make their own decision of whether to post their BBBJ experience if any and don't encourage them to post it.



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The endless BBBJ discussion.

So, why is doing the actual illegal deed as you call BBBJ just fine but talking about it bothers you? Isn't the act much worse than the discussion? If the “illegality” of it bothers anyone, that man is welcome to just get a CBJ.

“Let people post what they want”.....Very good advice. No one forced people to post about BBBJ. However, some ISG members wanted other members not to post about the services actually obtained.

[Neurosynth]

I got a private message from one member right after I posted my view about posting BBBJ on ISG on LR thread, and he told me that you (I just double-checked it is you) were a major ISG member who encouraged other members to post illegal activities in FKK clubs. I hope you have changed your approach on BBBJ issue. You know that many FKK regulars and frequent international mongers disagree with you on this issue.

My opinions on this are based on many years (approx. 25) of experience not only participating in forums like ISG, but actually creating and managing them.

Points worth considering:

1. The new law has been around for many months now, and the impact has been slight. By most accounts most places still have the same BB services they always have. The main impact has been to push BB services into the rooms and out of public areas.

2. The few cases of BB services causing girls problems are not unique to the post-law period. Most of the trouble is made by girls who don't want to provide BB services, see the ones who do as having a competitive advantage (true!) and want to undercut them. This is the same problem that was here before the law. The law in fact has little to do with it.

3. For the most part things posted here are not news to the girls, the operators, or the police. They already know more about what is going on than any of us do.

4. The law as such is unenforcible. Only the men can be penalized by the law. But as a practical manner, what sequence of events would lead to that? How many men have actually been prosecuted? (I'm not aware of a single one. But even a handful would be noise in the equation.).

5. Any impact of the law is due to an irrational (remember, it's unenforcible) fear of the law, and that will cause men to self-censor. Those trying to cause men to self-censor are assisting the law in the only way it can even hope to succeed. I. e. The police aren't enforcing this law, you are.

6. The management of this board has asked that posters *not* tell others to not post.

7. If not posting about illegal activities was to be the rule, many countries on ISG would have to be completely deleted from the site. Do you think that should happen too?

I can commit to the following: I'll stop encouraging people to post about BB services when others stop telling them not to.

[Member #4581]

What is a beta male? Not agreeing with the anti women garbage makes you a beta male?

In 21st century, you are an alpha male if you make or have plenty of money, and have the freedom that comes with it. If you don't, you are a beta male.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Picking up street walkers in Boston "combat zone"

The bottom line: shame on US! I plan my retirement in a different part of the world.

Well this post sure brings back some fun memories of 1987-89. Looks like we have enjoyed in common more than just Germany. I visited the combat zone ' a few times' , we would often go grab 3 or 4 of them and bring them back up to the frat house off Harvard Avenue between BU and BC right by the old Marty's Liquor Store in Allston off Harvard Avenue as they honored our fake PA licenses. I would be impressed if you remembered that store as I think it burned to the ground. I would be even more impressed if you remembered a store on the fringes of the combat zone called ' Jack's Joke Shop' , was popular with those who enjoyed smoking colorful green flowers.

Good memories!

I too plan retirement in Europe (think Spain) and if for some reason the Gypsies get tech savvy and transfer all my savings to Romanian or Bulgarian banks than I will have to consider Panama and living on the handouts of the pensionado program and sit in Habanos or the Veneto Casino nightly screwing girls from Colombia, Cuba and Venezuela.

At least you have experienced most that life has to offer from your life's story you openly shared. I can not provide such a good story. Thanks for sharing.