German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Takedown]

1. I am unaware of any poll of people visiting clubs daily, weekly or any other frequency cited.

2. There is zero correlation between the additional experience gained from high frequency visits and being right on the argument here, which is "does providing accurate description of services already rendered, IN COMPLIANCE WITH BOARD RULES, have a material and provable impact on the services rendered in future?

3. Does an alpha male need conformity with group members - that the other members agree with him - to prove his point of view is the right one? Hmm.

The previous post was in response to an individual who claims that recent laws had no effect on the FKK scene when he has yet to personally experience the scene himself. I think it is obvious why some may take issue with that. Your response here only suggests to me that you are commenting only to be argumentative.

At no point did I claim to be an alpha male. But smart individuals do tend to value the information gained from those who may be more informed and integrate it into his own belief system.

Thank you and please insert another quarter to play again.

[Takedown]

But you do.

If feminist = anti mongering, there is no need to diatribe against the anti mongering aspect of feminist, because very likely that all ISG members already agree.

If there are other aspects of feminists besides anti mongering, that is irrelevant to this board.

It doesn't seem like you agree since you blasted some of us with the feminism scapegoat theory.

It's the lounge and chat thread. People talk about all sorts of topics not specific to mongering; politics, economics, and society. The admins made it for the purpose of being off topic; otherwise there would not be both a general thread and lounge thread.

[Member #4581]

....you have not visited an FKK or Germany altogether since the beginning of 2017. Without first hand experience, I'm confused as to how you are qualified to make your assessments. On the other hand, none of the members who visit the clubs on a daily, weekly, or even monthly basis seem to share your viewpoint. They are either silent or explicitly against it.

1. I am unaware of any poll of people visiting clubs daily, weekly or any other frequency cited.

2. There is zero correlation between the additional experience gained from high frequency visits and being right on the argument here, which is "does providing accurate description of services already rendered, IN COMPLIANCE WITH BOARD RULES, have a material and provable impact on the services rendered in future?

3. Does an alpha male need conformity with group members - that the other members agree with him - to prove his point of view is the right one? Hmm.

[Member #4581]

The point is discussion. Obviously not everyone shares the same viewpoint that feminists are antimongering as evident by the last 3 pages of this thread.

But you do.

If feminist = anti mongering, there is no need to diatribe against the anti mongering aspect of feminist, because very likely that all ISG members already agree.

If there are other aspects of feminists besides anti mongering, that is irrelevant to this board.

[Takedown]

In any case, what's the point of ranting against these so called feminists here? If we agree with your definition of feminist = anti mongering, at least on this forum one thing that unites all of us is that we are all 100% pro mongering. What's the point of this preaching to the choir, with all this endless anti (anti mongering) sloganeering here? This space can definitely be put to better use, no??

The point is discussion. Obviously not everyone shares the same viewpoint that feminists are antimongering as evident by the last 3 pages of this thread.

[HungryStud101]

I do the same thing. Hmmm I would do her for 50! Wouldn't do her for 50 but maybe 30 in the rtc's. 4 ribeye steaks costs $43? That's a half hour with Hanna at Acapulco! $80 to fill up my gas tank?! That's a 30 min BJ with CIM!

LOL that is why one Monger signs his posts "I spent all my money on beer and girls. The rest I wasted. ".

Can't wait to get back in the saddle.

[Takedown]

It's been about a year since my last trip to Germany. Usually I go 2 or 3 times a year.

My opinions on this are based on many years (approx. 25) of experience not only participating in forums like ISG, but actually creating and managing them.

Points worth considering:

1. The new law has been around for many months now, and the impact has been slight. By most accounts most places still have the same BB services they always have. The main impact has been to push BB services into the rooms and out of public areas.

2. The few cases of BB services causing girls problems are not unique to the post-law period. Most of the trouble is made by girls who don't want to provide BB services, see the ones who do as having a competitive advantage (true!) and want to undercut them. This is the same problem that was here before the law. The law in fact has little to do with it.

I think we've pointed this out before. You mentioned that you have not visited an FKK or Germany altogether since the beginning of 2017. Without first hand experience, I'm confused as to how you are qualified to make your assessments. On the other hand, none of the members who visit the clubs on a daily, weekly, or even monthly basis seem to share your viewpoint. They are either silent or explicitly against it.

[Mr Ho]

"Successful" means self made by sweat, talent and sacrifice. Some do it for money, but the latter is not the only measure. Some scientists and mathematicians are on the hunt for secrets of the universe or biology etc. But for those who made it financially by self effort, and I have been lucky to be in that club, do tend to have an unreasonable, never accept no, driven, mania type vision. I am yet to meet a beta (as previously defined) who is exceptional on self made effort. But merely having money is not successful per se. That was my point. Inheritance does not entitle you to act superior. You have to have done something exceptional. The alphas are usually creators and leaders. Betas are takers and followers. And some people are in between at various ends of the spectrum at different times.

Also, keep in mind it is noble to have tried hard and failed. It is the trying and persistence that counts, not just a crude "no money, you are a loser, Go die". An alpha gets back on the horse and rides again. They rarely give up. That drive is a very male thing.

We need to be careful with terms like right and left wing, successful and beta / alpha. An awful lot of misdirection and assumptions and definition disconnect lurks and otherwise good dialogue can founder on the rocks because we are not talking the same language or concept. This is why science and math define terms and assumptions carefully..

Full time professional mongers are either most interesting and intelligent because he thought with his own brain to find his own way to achieve best sex life man can ever dream of instead of accepting society norms we are forced upon during our upbringing in school, society etc.

Or full time professional mongers are most stupid as he simply did not think at all LOL or did not use his brain to think but thought with his dick only and dick keep on leading him to brothel or related facility like German FKK LOL.

It is one of the two above.

[Bfsie]

I can commit to the following: I'll stop encouraging people to post about BB services when others stop telling them not to.

Without getting into the detailed discussion of this issue again, I like your commitment. Our monger community is a very tiny small community and in the end we ought to consider and help each other among the members of our community.

[XXL]

Ask yourself: why indeed are they so inconsolably angry about the sexual joy of men? Any why should they have the right to dictate our biology and life choices?

The late Angry Harry had an interesting theory about why lesbians are such man-haters. Lesbians resent successful men taking away the beautiful women from them.

Because men are willing to splurge money on them, beautiful women will gravitate towards men regardless of sexual orientation.

Even if a beautiful woman is sexually into women, she will not give up cashing in on her looks with men and she will associate with men.

Of course lesbians have only themselves to blame for no being willing to bring money to the table like men do. But in good female fashion, they will blame men for their failures.

[Pahllus Maximus]

"Successful" means self made by sweat, talent and sacrifice. Some do it for money, but the latter is not the only measure. Some scientists and mathematicians are on the hunt for secrets of the universe or biology etc. But for those who made it financially by self effort, and I have been lucky to be in that club, do tend to have an unreasonable, never accept no, driven, mania type vision. I am yet to meet a beta (as previously defined) who is exceptional on self made effort. But merely having money is not successful per se. That was my point. Inheritance does not entitle you to act superior. You have to have done something exceptional. The alphas are usually creators and leaders. Betas are takers and followers. And some people are in between at various ends of the spectrum at different times.

Also, keep in mind it is noble to have tried hard and failed. It is the trying and persistence that counts, not just a crude "no money, you are a loser, Go die". An alpha gets back on the horse and rides again. They rarely give up. That drive is a very male thing.

We need to be careful with terms like right and left wing, successful and beta / alpha. An awful lot of misdirection and assumptions and definition disconnect lurks and otherwise good dialogue can founder on the rocks because we are not talking the same language or concept. This is why science and math define terms and assumptions carefully.

Wow, we are venturing into philosophy. Some very interesting people in this forum. I suspect there are proportionally my alphas in the hobby than the general population. Maybe that is what the mean by male entitlement; entitled to act like a male and an alpha male at that. And we are not interested in the heifers who are resentful they don't get a second glance from the species of male they desperately want to land.

[DrFaust]

A couple of weeks ago I was in Europe for business and I was able to go to the FKK 4 times and I loved it and spent a fortune. This week I am at Disney on vacation and I hate it and I am spending more money. I walk around Disney looking at these pretty hot MILFs thinking "Hmm, I'd give that one 50 Euros for 30 minutes and that one I would be willing to go 1-hour for 100 Euros" and "I wonder if Snow White and Cinderella are interactive. ".

Why don't they erect an FKK in Epcot? I can't wait to get back to work.

Sorry for posting so damn much in these threads. I'm going to sit near the water and read books the next week.

Have fun in FKK land. I miss it.

Now I am reviewing all my travels in the coming months, to see for which ones I can change my flight in Frankfurt.

[Member #4581]

In any case, what's the point of ranting against these so called feminists here? If we agree with your definition of feminist = anti mongering, at least on this forum one thing that unites all of us is that we are all 100% pro mongering. What's the point of this preaching to the choir, with all this endless anti (anti mongering) sloganeering here? This space can definitely be put to better use, no??

[Pistons]

Sure.

Any one that doesn't fit your political agenda is a Feminist, and all men who subscribe to views that don't agree with yours must be pushovers, regardless of how successful they are.

Yes, let's go with that.

Lets just go with game theory instead.

And instead of shuffling us into 2 boxes: men and women, lets make 12 boxes: old beta males, old alpha males, young beta males, young alpha males, old alpha women, old beta women, young alpha women, young beta women.

Each of the 12 boxes of people have their own agendas and politics that are good for them.

Feminists does have some point of views that makes sense. Like equal pay, equal swingers rights in such a society etc. And maybe some I can't recall right now.

But mainly the standard feminist agenda regarding prostitution is like living a lie:

1. It is not really a 'feminist' war. Since the very word contains the idea of every female supporting it. While in the case of prostitution, young alpha women gains massive amounts of resources on the idea of paid sex. It is thus a hijacked term.

2. It does not take brain chemicals leading to promiscuity into account. Such brain chemicals (hormones) which has been naturally selected for throughout hundreads of thousands of years are as liberal as homosexuality is for others.

3. The feminists agenda is exactly that. A facist rule of law trying to force through control by using the legal system and media. Recently going as far as to skipping the legal system altogether through #metoo where a trial is not even important. The man is judged just from a woman's story:

http://theindependent.sg/xiaxue-find...ican-activist/

While the real problem which is violence against women is thus turned into a joke, since so many women abuse the signaling effect.

4. If the feminists wants to win this war against violence, the only way is the bonobo way. As anthropology shows, it is women who incites violence between men and men. So the female thus wants the more masculine man to protect her. Leading again to the natural selection of testosterone filled man with a higher chance of hurting the female if he looses control. And testosterone does make one stupider, and makes one try to seek out more social dominance:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ause-violence/#.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ecision-making

5. Being successful is a very loose term. Successful how? Successful in social terms? Economic terms? Successful in producing many children? Successful in having travelled the most and managed to get the most spare time in ones life for playing out hobbies? Successful in happiness? Successful in having had sex with the most women? Successful in having the highest number of friends? There are too many parameters. Not every person has the same goals in life. Especially in the 21st century.

6. Mr. Ho definitely does not have the same goals in life as a Nigerian woman in Lagos trying to take over the world by having 6 children. One can say that is feminism too. For a Nigerian woman. To have as many children as possible and one social man to support her through her whole life. For a Japanese woman, feminism may entail different views going in the completely opposite direction. To have none children at all because they can't be assed with all the Japanese men spending all their money on prostitutes. And then one can discuss how good feminism is for both Japan and Nigeria. Will Nigeria hit the demographic change too? Is poverty gaps due to capitalism and corruption making the transition far more difficult in Nigeria? Is too many children making it worse? Where will all the excess children emigrate to (in Libya where they are used as slaves? How many people can the world support? Will women education lead to reduced fertility rates in Africa also? Will capitalism collapse as the world population starts to fall? Emissions, toxic waste in the oceans of the world? Global warming? You name it. It is all connected, and feminism may just seem to take a central vital part in all of this. Some of which reasons are so important that feminism is a very good thing. At least for the time being. But then it might just need to change. The term has been hijacked in the past, and have different meanings in different countries. And so it can be hijacked once more too.

[Member #4581]

Sorry Phallus, if you think successful people just got there due to luck or other societal inefficiencies and that makes them pushovers and beta makes in your view, I will not disabuse you of that notion.

As I said, feminist is the easy scapegoat here, and apparently a whole slew of ISG members feel happy ranting against this phantom straw wo / man. The funny thing is, there are some obvious right wingers here who claim the leftists are the feminists blocking their path to free and good sex; and then there are some obvious left wingers here who think it is the right wingers to be blamed for blocking their way to free and plentiful sex.

Having a obstinate but nutty opinion alone doesn't make anyone an alpha male. If you read breitbart (crazy right) of huffpost (crazy left) comments section, there are 10,000 guys a day making the most idiotic comments and are so convinced they alone are right. They don't follow anyone's beat except whatever loony clock is ticking in their brain.

They are also not alpha males.