German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[KaveMan]

Alpha and Beta are glorified propaganda labels that emanate from the USA "Man-o-sphere" where actual females are non-existent.

These 'bros' debate ad-nauseum what constitutes 'alpha' in almost a homo-erotic aspergerian manner.

The real test of Manhood is what does your life look like right now?

-Are you a millionaire?

-Have you had sex with 100+ 30 yrs old women (non-paid $).

-Do you own a successful business?

-Do you own property?

-Do you have a top-tier career?

-Do you own a home?

-Have you raised kids?

-Have you mentored others?

-Does your family respect you?

-Do you have true freedom?

-Are you healthy, wealthy and wise?

If answers to the majority of the list above is not yes; then ask yourself: Why is that?

One's life is the sum total of all the decisions one has made to date.

Being honest with one-self v. Writing screeds / tirades will result in better personal outcomes.

I and all top-tier, elite Males have adopted 'personas' from A-Z: being dominant, playing dumb, dead; passive, aggressive; decisive; bluff, stall, strike and on and on.

I am sure my ancestors colluded to corner the supply of elephants; were cronys of Ghengis; hedged ahead of OPEC; had iron-clad trusts; gambled on more stock markets, than casinos.

Survival is of the Fit.

[XXL]

According to this, some feminists are pro-prostitution, and some are anti-prostitution:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femini...n_prostitution

I think we can do without the word feminism from now on. Many women don't want to be considered feminists any more. They still want to be victims though and entitled to free stuff, and accuse men without due process, and whine about the non existent wage gap and so on and so forth.

Most importantly for us, women want to prevent other women from selling sex to men at market prices.

(3) Lesbians make less money than men for the same reason heterosexual women make less money than men. Sexism.

Why post such PC redpill rubbish here? Isn't it enough for the mainstream media to beat that dead horse day in day out? No employer would hire a woman if he had the choice. Women don't work. They agitprop and destroy companies.

Quite apart from the fact that what lesbians earn was beside the point.

You have no idea what #metoo is about. It's primarily about women who have been sexually harassed (or worse) in the workplace. It has nothing to do with what men look like. Nothing.

What kind of trolling is this again? Go join women's lib then, it's about time you did. It's a public secret that #Metoo is a racket. It betrays among other things women's lack of respect for the rule of law and the human rights of men. In fact it shows women are unable to decently take part in public life. Giving women the vote was like giving a machine-gun to a monkey and we haven't seen the end of it.

[Free Dude]

According to this, some feminists are pro-prostitution, and some are anti-prostitution:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femini...n_prostitution

I didn't read this, but in college I read some feminist perspectives on different things and there definitely is a debate within the women studies community about prostitution. In academic feminism some claim prostitution is liberating, while others maintain it's per definition exploitative. There is no single consensus on this. Here in the Netherlands I've actually seen female academics, sociologists but from a feminist perspective I believe, come out against the inflated claims about the amount of forced prostitution made by government institutions.

[Chongmal]

With Sauna Clubs being successful in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and a couple in The Netherlands, why is this concept not employed more frequently or on larger scales in other countries where prostitution is legalized or openly tolerated?

[McAdonis]

According to this, some feminists are pro-prostitution, and some are anti-prostitution:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femini...n_prostitution

[Takedown]

Instinctively looking for support from other people who agreed with you is very much a trait of beta male, based on your own reasoning. I particularly don't care whether other members or alpha or beta, or omega.

Anyone that doesn't agree with you and replies back is being argumentative. Regardless, the question still stands. Why pull rank / experience as if that gives any more credence to the quality of your argument? Totally irrelevant.

Respectfully, I see that you tend to jump to a lot of conclusions and scrutinize comments without examining or considering the full context so I will try to explain more clearly.

Mentioning frequent mongers was not "pulling rank". It was to explain that their information is more highly regarded than those who "have not been Germany for a year." It was to point out how ludicrous it was for a person who has not seen the inside of an FKK since the laws have passed to have such a vehement stance on situation in which he has zero first hand experience. Suggesting that you are commenting just to be argumentative was my logical conclusion because I am unable to understand how someone is able to contest the aforementioned argument regarding conviction for something without first hand experience. In context of your recent insults, that is my belief.

Perhaps the subject of Beta male is a sensitive topic. I'm sorry if I have insulted a segment of the population. Sometimes I too behave like a beta male. Rarely, but sometimes.

[Member #4581]

It doesn't seem like you agree since you blasted some of us with the feminism scapegoat theory.

It's the lounge and chat thread. People talk about all sorts of topics not specific to mongering; politics, economics, and society. The admins made it for the purpose of being off topic; otherwise there would not be both a general thread and lounge thread.

I think feminist has become a meaningless byword here. Other than the idea that a feminist is somehow depriving mongers of free and plentiful sex, people here don't even have the same definition of whatever this so called feminist means. As I said, people on the right think leftists are feminists and vice versa.

[Member #4581]

The previous post was in response to an individual who claims that recent laws had no effect on the FKK scene when he has yet to personally experience the scene himself. I think it is obvious why some may take issue with that. Your response here only suggests to me that you are commenting only to be argumentative.

At no point did I claim to be an alpha male. But smart individuals do tend to value the information gained from those who may be more informed and integrate it into his own belief system.

Thank you and please insert another quarter to play again.

Instinctively looking for support from other people who agreed with you is very much a trait of beta male, based on your own reasoning. I particularly don't care whether other members or alpha or beta, or omega.

Anyone that doesn't agree with you and replies back is being argumentative. Regardless, the question still stands. Why pull rank / experience as if that gives any more credence to the quality of your argument?

[Takedown]

I am very much in touch with what is going on over there. My last trip was summer of 2017. Less than a year ago. I've been participating in commercial sex in Germany for a couple decades now. I've lived in Germany, so I understand the culture. And if one keeps up with the various boards that's actually more information than one could possibly get as an individual. That's exactly why these boards exist.

But that's actually irrelevant to the substance of my arguments, which you've almost completely ignored. If any of the following is false, please do cite evidence showing that is so. The nature of points 1 through 7 is such that the date of my last visit is irrelevant.

Don't worry, I'm not ignoring your points, just choosing not to respond because they are based on outdated information.

In the end, without having been there, your points are all conjecture based on hypothesis developed through dated experiences and second hand information. I see nothing false about my statement.

[Rogue Nation]

I am very much in touch with what is going on over there. My last trip was summer of 2017.

Not so sure about that. Many months have passed, things are developing, many issues are talked about, between mongers & mongers and girls & mongers which are not making their way to the boards or irregular guests. And which will not make their way here. Still you act like you have all the knowledge necessary to give a valid view on the German P6 scene. Which you don't have. Which none of us have, not even the ones living here and visiting regularly with valid sources in clubs, girls, other mongers and local boards.

[Neurosynth]

The late Angry Harry had an interesting theory about why lesbians are such man-haters. Lesbians resent successful men taking away the beautiful women from them.

Because men are willing to splurge money on them, beautiful women will gravitate towards men regardless of sexual orientation.

Even if a beautiful woman is sexually into women, she will not give up cashing in on her looks with men and she will associate with men.

Of course lesbians have only themselves to blame for no being willing to bring money to the table like men do. But in good female fashion, they will blame men for their failures.

I'd be surprised if you knowingly know any actual lesbians. You are so far off the mark here.

(1) Most lesbians are not man haters.

(2) Most lesbians will not "gravitate" towards men that have money. (By gravitate you seem to mean openness towards having sex.)

(3) Lesbians make less money than men for the same reason heterosexual women make less money than men. Sexism.

[Neurosynth]

In most cases you are right until now yes. Until #metoo. After this, a man also needs the good looks and physique. ...

You have no idea what #metoo is about. It's primarily about women who have been sexually harassed (or worse) in the workplace. It has nothing to do with what men look like. Nothing.

[Neurosynth]

I think we've pointed this out before. You mentioned that you have not visited an FKK or Germany altogether since the beginning of 2017. Without first hand experience, I'm confused as to how you are qualified to make your assessments. On the other hand, none of the members who visit the clubs on a daily, weekly, or even monthly basis seem to share your viewpoint. They are either silent or explicitly against it.

I am very much in touch with what is going on over there. My last trip was summer of 2017. Less than a year ago. I've been participating in commercial sex in Germany for a couple decades now. I've lived in Germany, so I understand the culture. And if one keeps up with the various boards that's actually more information than one could possibly get as an individual. That's exactly why these boards exist.

But that's actually irrelevant to the substance of my arguments, which you've almost completely ignored. If any of the following is false, please do cite evidence showing that is so. The nature of points 1 through 7 is such that the date of my last visit is irrelevant.

My opinions on this are based on many years (approx. 25) of experience not only participating in forums like ISG, but actually creating and managing them.

Points worth considering:

1. The new law has been around for many months now, and the impact has been slight. By most accounts most places still have the same BB services they always have. The main impact has been to push BB services into the rooms and out of public areas.

2. The few cases of BB services causing girls problems are not unique to the post-law period. Most of the trouble is made by girls who don't want to provide BB services, see the ones who do as having a competitive advantage (true!) and want to undercut them. This is the same problem that was here before the law. The law in fact has little to do with it.

3. For the most part things posted here are not news to the girls, the operators, or the police. They already know more about what is going on than any of us do.

4. The law as such is unenforcible. Only the men can be penalized by the law. But as a practical manner, what sequence of events would lead to that? How many men have actually been prosecuted? (I'm not aware of a single one. But even a handful would be noise in the equation.).

5. Any impact of the law is due to an irrational (remember, it's unenforcible) fear of the law, and that will cause men to self-censor. Those trying to cause men to self-censor are assisting the law in the only way it can even hope to succeed. I. e. The police aren't enforcing this law, you are.

6. The management of this board has asked that posters *not* tell others to not post.

7. If not posting about illegal activities was to be the rule, many countries on ISG would have to be completely deleted from the site. Do you think that should happen too?

I can commit to the following: I'll stop encouraging people to post about BB services when others stop telling them not to.

[Neurosynth]

As I said, I don't recall where in the lecture he mentionned it regarding money, but to see the buildup to what is money essentially, watching the first lecture at least, is vital to get the backgroud. You can call this whatever fancy word you want for all I care.

All I am saying is that I rather trust in a Yale professor than on a bigwig on an anonymous internet discussion board. Heck, I trust a professor from Yale over 99% of all journalism I read also. He even starts his first lecture by pointing out how extensively wrong so many people in society are regarding these things. And as opposed to 99% of other people, his logic seems solid to me.

Besides, trade came way later than the exchange of sex for resources. But again, you need to see the background for this to understand it.

Interesting that in your reply you delete the specific thing I ask about. If you can't summarize the evidence from memory then you don't really understand the basis of the argument you are referencing. And I'm certainly not going to hunt through a one hour video for evidence that you yourself found so unmemorable.

If you want to claim that money was invented so that prostitution could be possible, the burden of proof is on you.

[Rogue Nation]

I think we've pointed this out before. You mentioned that you have not visited an FKK or Germany altogether since the beginning of 2017. Without first hand experience, I'm confused as to how you are qualified to make your assessments. On the other hand, none of the members who visit the clubs on a daily, weekly, or even monthly basis seem to share your viewpoint. They are either silent or explicitly against it.

I've had about 40-50 club visits this year. I'm not silent. I still have the same opinion about what the danger of reports containing BBBJ is. It didn't kick in until now, neither did the registration. But the period tolerating non registration will be over soon. Clubs will be checked by authorities. Clubs will not accept any girls without papers anymore. And clubs will make sure not to provide any reason for authorities to fine them. Let's not give them any reason from our side.