Bangkok Reports

[Syzygies]

Syzy, what is your reaction to my sense that a very sexually active party-girl in almost any big city in the USA could very well be more likely to acquire HIV sexually from an HIV-positive man (and then pass it along) than a P4P girl we would likely encounter in Bangkok?

That is too hard of a question. We need to understand that some hookers are using condoms and others are willing not to. How many different guys does each bareback girl fuck in a year? Do any girls take BB up the ass? (unwise). What is the likelihood of intravenous drug users being one of the parties involved? Etc. Also I am not from USA and lack USA experience. Never fucked a girl in the USA, have done a hottie from Puerto Rico (damn deep DFK).

Taxi drivers talk to me about the village they come from. Normally they know of several villagers died of Aids, whether male or female, sometimes both husband and wife, sometimes even a child was born with HIV. One could get the impression it is prevalent in the Thai community. I hear less about Thai people in Bangkok and even less about Farangs getting Aids here. I don't interact with lots of Farangs. Just a few at the Sports Pub. Probably a lot of Farang cases will be related to drugs and gay activities, and I don't come into contact with those types.

I don't do widespread BBFS. HIV is not even the main reason. I am scared to pick up other very easily caught STDs. Can't afford to give my wife anything. That would not be nice. So I indulge mostly in lower risk activities. It is very useful for regular BBFS partners to be both tested every so often to get a reassurance. Neither partner may trust the other completely to not suddenly take some unknown person in BBFS. She did it with me, so how many others is she not telling me about? If I did not have the Mrs., likely I would be behaving less carefully. I have only done maybe 3 new girls (for first time) this year and each was covered FS. So clearly my mongering is in steep decline. Finding new fabulous girls sufficiently exciting becomes harder and harder. I don't have the biological imperative to spread my seed so widely any more. Easier to take a known girl with good face and good body and a good fuck. Still get some variety form skinny to very curvy.

I would bet most of us did BBFS at some time in the past with a newly met girl in a rush of blood, even if we normally don't. I can recall a few. However at least I have my test results that prove there were no consequences for past behaviours with unknown girls.

You can get very unlucky. I have had an STD only twice over many years. One was Chlamydia eye from fingering pussy and not washing finger before rubbing the eye. Second was Chlamydia dick. The only girl barebacked at that time claimed to not have Chlamydia which leads to possibly of catching it from a BBBJ by a woman from the Grace Coffee shop (a lot of years ago), or maybe the BBFS girl was telling lies (seems a bit more likely). One other time had some infection probably not an STD as the one BBFS girl did not have it. No other sex partners at that time.

I have to assume that most regular Barebackers will catch an STD moderately often since Chlamydia and others are caught so easily. My last Red Cross visit tested for long term indicators of past Herpes or Cold Sores (HSV) and none were found. That surprised me a little, since I DFK and DATY and get BBBJs from so many girls over the years, and reportedly a high percentage of the population have had one of those, I expected the monger community to be worse off. Can one be immune to it, or just relatively hard to catch, or very lucky for this one (unlucky for Chlamydia)?

I used to use Durex Comfort 54mm, but now use a Japanese 52mm condom "003" (can buy it in 7Eleven) which is harder to get on but I have developed the perfect technique to stretch and get it on easily and without bubbles. It is thin enough to give me pretty good feel, still not as good as BBFS of course. I even have to buy a supply to take OS. I could not go back to normal condoms, given that get used to superior BBFS.

[Syzygies]

Stopped in Thermae on a whim Monday night about 9:30 PM ....

I think slow customer nights and certain times of the evening at Thermae can be very rewarding for older farang men, the kind who most of the girls, especially the hotter younger girls, are supposedly not the least bit interested in having a session with in favor of waiting for a Japanese taker instead. Or so the theory goes.

Its hard to believe this is the same Thermae I have been in a few months ago. Still the economy is real bad right now, and so many people have so little money that even the traffic jams at night have declined. People can't afford petrol. It could be turning to a buyer's market in Thermae if so many girls were so keen and even changing from demure to semi aggressive.

The new government is mostly talk, and can't implement much useful, lacking money for one thing. The food carts and street stalls get swept out to create a better image but the people suffer. No way to make money. Meanwhile the government was spending big on submarines I think. What for? MPs get shut down. Non Thai nationals cannot work in most bars, maybe they can work in Thermae? The Government should be focussing on boosting the economy for poor people.

I would never have used the same terms for lots of pretty girls, so I might be a bit more fussy for natural looks. In my case I only found the odd few really appealing ones, but they were almost always popular girls with the Japanese customers.

I get the impression that the whole monger scene is a bit low on customers, in addition to economy being very bad, with certain places being exceptions. Shark was very busy last night. Lots of customers. Not sure exact reason why it is popular. The dance music is okay The gogo girls are just okay In general. I just happen to like two girls known for many years. The Coyotes a bit too expensive to BF.

[Syzygies]

Isn't it odd that what is appealing to the eye is rarely appealing to the touch? For fucking, I like models if they are lingerie models with some sexy meat on their bones. I damn sure don't like skeleton skinny "fashion" models.

Yeh I heard that before. My buddy likes fat girls (fat in my view. Voluptuous in his view). He once described my GF as a "bag of bones" when she was 40 Kg. Even with nice sized tits, but even looking too skinny for me at the time. Right now she might be 46 Kg at age 39 (she is shortish) and I would not want her to add too much more to the belly. Just perfect for me now. Still has a great ass, way better than any Long Gun girls seen last night.

I have branched out. One regular bargirl in Shark has big tits, and good curves, but not very close to skinny. Tallish and probably weighs 50 to 55 Kg. Meanwhile I still have a skinny girl in Crazy House on occasion. Not a bag of bones though. Does have enough flesh that the touch is great for me, soft tits, and fingers in the tight pussy. Tallish so probably weighs 46+ Kg.

There is a very small percentage of girls that are too skinny for my taste, ha ha, but not very many, maybe 1 or 2% only. A large percentage of girls are too fat for me, maybe 50% Then have to eliminate any excessively ugly surgeries, also a high percentage.

[EihTooms]

Stopped in Thermae on a whim Monday night about 9:30 PM and the place was packed with girls, many very attractive, and only about 1/3 the number of customers I usually see in the place. As I went in on impulse on my way home I wasn't really thinking about taking anyone but, this might sound weird, actually I went in to find a MAN! LOL. See, it happens that Thermae is one of those places where I have met some of the more fun, interesting and socially compatible new male friends, guys I have exchanged Line info with, met again later on that holiday for them or on subsequent return visits, gone on many, many go-go bar runs with and so on. If you stand at that bar, with or without a friend or wingman already at your side, it is easy to see which guys are similar age to you, are or are not heavy drinkers or alcohol drinkers at all based on the drink placed before them and how often they reorder and even if they are smokers or not, since many heavy smokers can't last more than 10-15 minutes before stepping outside for a cigarette. This all adds to the compatibility issue. And it is a place where one can actually hear the other person speaking in a somewhat normal voice level because the music isn't all that loud.

So I have met some very fun, interesting and, obviously, like-minded guys on the subject of P4 P adventures from the USA, France, Spain, Italy, the U. K. and, yep, even from Asia/Japan in Thermae, where it is probably easier to chat up the fellow next to you than in almost any other P4 P venue in the city. Some turn out to be annoying types and they can often be weeded out quickly and ignored or walked away from. Maybe they make the same judgement of me. LOL. But in every case a man standing alone at the bar in Thermae has been open and even welcoming of a simple, "Hi, how are things going for you tonight? See anything interesting yet?" as you both gaze around the room type of neighborly chat up that quite often can lead to adding worthwhile recurring contacts to hangout with and explore the rest of what Bangkok and elsewhere in Thailand has to offer.

But I didn't get that far this time. The place was so packed with attractive girls who were clearly, obviously and quite demonstrably interested in getting the attention of this particular farang in his 60's but who might if the lighting is just right be taken for being closer to early 50's with a big, inviting smile on his face (that would be me), after I got my club soda at the entrance counter I barely got past the first group of girls on the left side of the bar before they were kind of closing in on the aisle to keep me from going very far, facing me full on, smiling and slightly nodding as if to already be saying "yes" to a question I hadn't even thought about asking yet.

I stopped at the first best looking one in that particular group to say Hello and how are you (sawatdee krup. sabai dee mai?) and found she spoke quite fluent English. Chatted a bit with her and I was genuinely interested. But I politely told her I wanted to take a quick walk around the place since I had just arrived and maybe I would come back to chat some more in a few minutes. Again, I didn't get very far after that either. By the time I took about 5 strides through the crowd of very smiley and focused (on me, an old farang) slim and attractive young ladies, I spied one that I had seen and briefly chatted up months earlier but did not take at the time because I had another appointment heading to my apartment about an hour later and had only gone in Thermae at the time because a friend I had met, sure enough in Thermae, wanted to check it out.

She recognized me immediately too. Biggest smile in the room (I think. Frankly, I hadn't even had a chance to scan the room at that point). We chatted for about 2 minutes, I cleared the 2-3 basic requirements I would need to be met were I to take her this night. No discussion of money. Only a discussion of whether or not she would be ok with me kissing and licking her pussy, followed by a sweet and complete round of BBFS. She agreed, I took her gently by the hand and off we went. Back through a crowd of rather unhappy and disappointed looking attractive young ladies, if I might humbly add. Did I mention there were only about 1/3 the number of male customers in the place this night? LOL. Again, still no discussion of money with my choice. And there still was none afterwards. I simply tucked 2,500 baht under the corner of her purse on my desk when she was showering after what turned out to be a thoroughly satisfying, unhurried romp on my couch and in my bed with a new lady with a dynamite body, lovely face, wonderful smile, silky smooth skin, a totally bald pussy and that winning attitude everyone seems to be looking for these days.

I think slow customer nights and certain times of the evening at Thermae can be very rewarding for older farang men, the kind who most of the girls, especially the hotter younger girls, are supposedly not the least bit interested in having a session with in favor of waiting for a Japanese taker instead. Or so the theory goes.

[Smoothy]

So if you go for slim models like me

Isn't it odd that what is appealing to the eye is rarely appealing to the touch? For fucking, I like models if they are lingerie models with some sexy meat on their bones. I damn sure don't like skeleton skinny "fashion" models.

[Syzygies]

Some guy reported he was not impressed by Crazy House and how Long Gun had better girls dancing naked.

I went to check it for myself starting at Crazy House around 8. 20 pm, meaning some of the better girls maybe still have not arrived. The lineup was far from impressive for a bar that used to have some pretty girls. A few of the girls had okay Slim bodies and okay Tits, mostly small, since majority of the silicones are extremely ugly jobs. No big naturals that looked good. This bar was way better for line up, 3 years ago up to even maybe 5 years ago when founded. There were no faces that really appealed to me excepting Jane sitting on a guy's lap near by. I have known her for over 3 years. I watched two sets, or part of two sets. A guy sitting next to me was Swiss and had a gorgeous girl (who was clearly not from CH). Rather than gawk at her, I moved on. CH has very little for me these days, and Billboard at Nana is miles ahead for slim model types (with a few pretty faces too).

Tried out Long Gun just before 9 PM. The Coyotes clothed were dancing first. This was the most ordinary looking set of Coyotes I saw in a bar. 80% were over weight for my taste. Faces very plain. Only 1 made any attempt to dance like a Coyote normally does. At end of that set a fat girl approached. She asked if I recognised her. Nope! She said "Wip". Okay I knew this fresh shy newbie slim 19 YO about 5 years ago called Wip. This was a fat blob girl, so that I could hardly recognise the face. When she got up to dance nude, it was worse, with a long railway track right accross the belly. She had been away from Long Gun (also called Lucky Star officially), for several years. She met a Thai boy in the village and by 4 months she was pregnant. Before giving birth he already had a new girl. Makes me sick to hear the same old story time and again. Why wouldn't a young girl wait 3 years to get to know her partner better before even thinking about a family. Working in Seven does not pay the bills. Coming back to the bar does work either. Once was cute and fun, now looks like a fat disaster. She noticed I had lost several kilos since we last met, so food control can work. However these uneducated girls have no clues. The gogo girls dancing nude were mostly bad figures, 80% pudgy, one or two moderately slim but not skinny. One or two had acceptable faces but far short of pretty for me. Not one girl had nice slim legs with a high shapely ass. So for my taste, Long Gun line up was significantly behind CH (liking slim to skinny girls). A Show came on and even the 2 show girls were pudgy to my taste. Maybe were Indian taste. BTW, when I arrived at Long Gun, they had only 8 customers, making the bar maybe 20 to 25% full. Far fewer customers than CH. The customers vote with their feet. I heard later that maybe Rawhide could be better.

So if you go for slim models like me, forget Long Gun completely. Even CH was not exciting at all.

Next stop Doll House. This bar has changed a lot yet again. I would say they had 25% gogo girls and the rest were Coyotes (Coyote BF 1000). The Coyote girls had mostly very good slim model figures, and several were even pretty. I would rate them overall as better than Sharks Coyotes, and at a cheaper price, could consider trying one. At least one of the gogo girls had a great ass too. That was better, even if she had zero tits. There was no naked dancing in Dollhouse, but some girls wore g-String. Coyotes cover the tits a bit too much as usual.

Looked in my normal Shark too. Some good looking girls, but I probably rate Doll House higher for the Coyote types for looks alone. I BFed two girls, both ex-Suzie Wong, and we had a really great fun time, lots of slobbery kissing, lots of fingers deep in pussies, dual girl BBBJs, etc. They were not real lesbians so were not inclined to lick each other's pussies, but still had a lot of fun interacting with 2 girls concurrently (Yes I know I have only one dick but also a mouth and two hands). Yes I would repeat. I would even think about taking both away on a holiday. As I don't cum easy, it is useful for them to share the workload.

DATYed Maa, her squatting over my mouth, to her 3rd pop (according to her. Not sure if was true or only a lesser number in total) while Pat gave me BBBJ. Because was Tuesday, and the staff know me, and I tip well, and the ST Hotel was not busy, I believe we got well over the normal 1 hour, without watching the clock. Many positions tried. When we finished was after 1 am, so I could not work out where so much time had gone. ST Hotel fee (AsokePlace) was 450 baht instead of 350 baht. I guess 100 more covers extra towel (or more than covers). LOL Coming out of there a Farang customer waiting went "Whoohr" as if to indicate I had 2 pretty hot sexy looking girls. His companion was a LB, not so smooth face. I wondered if he knew. Normally it is Japanese guys come in there with LBs. Some bars are having secret hush hush post op LBs these days, where the staff are not officially allowed to talk about it.

P.S. I did BF a Billboard Model type recently, No. 918 Ying. She was inexperienced, apprehensive, and lacking skills. By the end of the hour, she had started to go better giving me some DFK, which says she does not normally do. Overall not up to standard of my regular girls, but just showed a glimmer, that it could be better next time if she is relaxed and I can get some extra leg openers into her. More likely I will try a different girl (perhaps 900) though and see if I get luckier. Ying could suit a guy who does not need any service, but rather so horny, that a sleek pretty girl will turn him on a treat, automatically. Not at my age, though. I need DFK from early to get excited. Alternatively a skilled BJ will work.

[Hotman 666]

I don't think I will ever have a chance to visit this place again.

Any help will be appreciated.

As shared earlier, not looking for sex but for specific experiences for:

Russians Europeans Uz Stripteases.

Lesbian play.

Soapy massage.

Voyeurism.

Nuru massage.

Bondage.

As shared earlier, I just wish to experience them and not over spend. Hence do suggest budget places which provide decent above experience.

Why is it that you can often tell the Nationality, or at least the geographical area that a poster comes from JUST by reading their posts?

Only questions. No attempt to read the forum. Never any useful info. The assumption that THEIR time is MUCH more important than anyone else.

Yes, you got it, they are from * and despite what they say you will never EVER see any useful field report from them.

I'm sure that anyone that has taken just a few minutes to RTFF will already know the answers to most or all the questions!

Hotman.

[Gladiator69]

I would not like to see the girl take the Oraquick result too seriously. Treat is as an indicator to get the better tests done. She can get the proper blood test cheaply and quickly at Red Cross. The full "all clear" from very sensitive "amplification test" follow-up takes a few days though.

I would not mind betting that the Red Cross would probably laugh at the OraQuick test (perhaps scoff is the better word), holding it in some contempt. Especially as combined with unreliable, it is also vastly more expensive. Is Oraqucik a complete waste of money? I can't answer that. If I was Catire, I would have attempted to take the girl to Red Cross, although would be up to her if she was willing to share the result. Unwilling would indicate a likely positive, and prove OraQuick sometimes appears to work. If negative, would learn that OraQuick is not to be trusted, and maybe not waste more money.

My doc in the US uses Oraquick too, but of course blood test would be the gold standard. There was a time the HIV test fell off my blood work in my annual physical. He just did the oral swab and I got the result back in 20 minutes.

[EihTooms]

I do agree that girls who have been in the BBFS business for many years, have a much greater chance of being unlucky with one of their HIV customers. I know of one such girl aged about 45, very pretty when I first met her (best friend of my girl), and still in fairly good shape last time seen. A newbie girl just starting out, would have to be very unlucky to have caught it from BBFS. Maybe this is why BBFS guys will be choosing girls as young as they can get, and inexperienced.

Some shops/MPs have their own doctor to do tests. So using a shop girl, can be slightly less risky than free-lancers, who may well be just not getting tested at all.

Syzy, what is your reaction to my sense that a very sexually active party-girl in almost any big city in the USA could very well be more likely to acquire HIV sexually from an HIV-positive man (and then pass it along) than a P4P girl we would likely encounter in Bangkok?

Now that HIV tainted blood transfusions are almost non-existent in the civilized world and any drug addict with a buck to spare has probably not shared a needle in decades, it seems to me the pool of males who have the money, time and inclination to fly to South East Asia in order to pay a woman to have sex with them would not contain many if any who were gay (some might be bi-sexual) or so down on their luck and money that they need to scrounge around sharing needles with other drug addicts. And most Thai men, the HIV-positive among them, aren't likely to go trolling around the touristy red-light districts of Bangkok and pay Bangkok prices instead of elsewhere on the outskirts either.

But a very sexually active party-girl in New York City or Los Angeles (or Paris for that matter) might very well find herself in the company of an HIV-positive male ready to take his turn with her either on a whim or the easily accessible opportunity to give a woman a try in the case of a man who otherwise prefers having sex with men. The cost, time and effort for a local needle-sharing drug addict to give her a go might not even be all that prohibitive. And that same girl could then show up on a dating site or booty-call social network app looking pretty good to some of us punters here were we to encounter her on a trip to one of those cities. After all, unlike the Bangkok P4P girls, she is mostly in it for the fun and not the money. So she might actually be proactively interested in trying any and all comers.

Just a thought. I simply can't see that the P4P girls I have been with in Bangkok would have been the object of desire or curiosity very often for gay men or needle-sharing drug addicts on either side of the globe who somehow got their hands on enough travel money and free-time from panhandling to find their way to Bangkok in order to spend even more money on STs and ST rooms with Thai go-go dancers and the line up at Thermae.

[Catire]

She went to a clinic today and there they confirmed a positive test. Don't know what method / test they used. The doctor told her the results are not 100% certain yet.

(I'm guessing now they do that full super sensitive double confirmation Elisa test or whatever it is).

They will now send 2 vials of her blood to a hospital. She will see the doctor on the 5th.

She's not taking this stoically. She's confused, she's afraid. She told me she didn't want to die. She has children (at least one son). She asked me "what happened to me"? .

Poor woman.

I assured her that the medicines they have for HIV now (IF she is confirmed positive) are really advanced and she will not only live but live a fairly normal life, provided she takes her meds daily, which I suspect will be provided to her by the govt for free or at a very low cost. (because I have read they do this now in places like Thailand, they have purposefully broken several patents to do this).

Actually the risk to a woman from an infected man is more like 1 in 2000. Of course if he has huge tool, odds go up because of possible tears in tissue and blood exchange. Where the odds really get dangerous for a woman is getting buttfucked. Her odds then become as low as 1 in 400. For guys it's like 1 in 4000 vaginal with infected partner. 1 in 1500/2000 anal with infected partner.

I think if you are circumcised, that is an additional layer of protection. And a good one. (this has been well documented).

IMO what happens in a place like Thailand is too much interaction, aka fucking between men and ladyboys. Those men catch it. And pass it on to women.

The odds of regular hiv transmission are simply too low outside of Africa (where a lot of "other" factors come into play).

But it's also possible to simply be super unlucky but there isn't much to say in such circumstances. Just sadness all around. For a woman over say 30... she has probably been seeing dick and dick every night for over 10 years. If she's around 40... that's 20 years. Too many spins of the roulette wheel, even at such low low odds.

p.s. vis a vis Oraquik efficiency - it's said to be 99.1% positive in confirming negative... it's 91% something positive in confirming positive... so there's around a 10% chance for a false positive.

pps I know a guy who used Oraquik extensively when it was available in Thailand (now one cannot get it in a drug store) and he always tested his girls, he had quite the appetite... but the only one that ever tested positive for him was a girl in Cambodia.

[Syzygies]

I don't know about the Red Cross, but I get my tests at Bumrungrad Hospital. The doctor there seemed to think those OraQuick were pretty accurate. I use OraQuick for testing in the USA because it's such a pain in the ass getting that test done at the doctor's office in the USA. You spend more time filling out confidentiality forms than actually getting the test. Then getting the results in the USA is a royal pain in the ass as well. I've always tested negative, but they won't even tell me that over the phone, I have to physically come into the office and talk directly to the doctor (which usually requires about a hour wait in that office just to have him tell me the result was negative).

Regardless of the testing means, if I were to ever encounter a positive test, I would take it seriously and go to a different place to test again.

Yes of course red tape and forms takes longer than taking the blood of course. Obvious.

So use the Red Cross. Maybe 1 hour after blood extracted, for initial result printed on paper and given by a doctor. So there is some wait. Perhaps two hours in total from entering to be finished, maybe 90 minutes is possible. Followup amplification result can be a contact by phone or email a few days later. Don't have to go back just to get the negative result. It has to be a lot cheaper than the hospital and less mucking around. I have tried both ways.

Red Cross is at intersection of Ratchadamri and Sarasin (opposite NW corner of Lumphini park. Walking distance from Ratchadamri BTS 400 m).

I never get tested in home country, because I almost never fuck anyone there. LOL I prefer the streamlined Thai approach at Red Cross.

Would be interesting if there are any estimated figures for the percentage of freelance hookers being HIV positive in BKK, Pattaya, and up country. I would expect up country to be the highest. Although news cases each year were declining for many years, that would not apply to total cases. One assumes intravenous drug users and gay men still dominate the numbers.

Many years ago it was reported that a high number of innocent housewives were HIV positive contracted from their Thai husbands, who naturally had BBFS all the time. Significant numbers of Thai children losing both parents to AIDs. I would not know if parents were also drug users, but that would increase the odds very greatly.

[Smoothy]

I would not mind betting that the Red Cross would probably laugh at the OraQuick test (perhaps scoff is the better word), holding it in some contempt.

I don't know about the Red Cross, but I get my tests at Bumrungrad Hospital. The doctor there seemed to think those OraQuick were pretty accurate. I use OraQuick for testing in the USA because it's such a pain in the ass getting that test done at the doctor's office in the USA. You spend more time filling out confidentiality forms than actually getting the test. Then getting the results in the USA is a royal pain in the ass as well. I've always tested negative, but they won't even tell me that over the phone, I have to physically come into the office and talk directly to the doctor (which usually requires about a hour wait in that office just to have him tell me the result was negative).

Regardless of the testing means, if I were to ever encounter a positive test, I would take it seriously and go to a different place to test again.

[Syzygies]

I hope you think this through and though I feel your pain, do not venture into this blindly.

I was looking forward to seeing a freelancer I had met on Tinder. Spent time with her previously. Was looking to spend time with her again.

Had myself tested at hospital. Gave her a test in my room with Oraquik. Came back clearly double lined. I had a serious WTF moment.

Had her retake the test. I also took one myself (really more for her sake than mine, hoping against reality that this batch was somehow defective).

20 minutes later. You see the results. Her original one is furthest to right. The 2nd time. Hers is on left. Mine on right.

I feel awful. One in a selfish sense because the woman is simply fantastic in bed. But I feel far more badly for her. I told her she needs to go see a doctor tomorrow and get herself tested.

I didn't have sex with her, but paid her fully what I would have and gave her a little extra to go see the doctor tomorrow.

The harsh reality of places like Bangkok (and Pattaya etc) is that the pros, especially the older ones, have seen miles and mile of dick and even though odds of individual transmission for a woman is 1 in 2000 and for a man 1 in 4000... it's either super bad luck and just too many miles of dick (or both)

I was reading that risk for a woman in vaginal sex with HIV positive man is about 1 in 1250. This is higher than for HIV man being treated. For the man the risk is said to be about 50% of that, e.g. 1 in 2500 (lower if circumsized), similar to risk of performing felatio. DATY should be significantly lower and hard to get numbers. Man not circumsized doing BB anal has a much higher risk, and sharing needles is probably the most risky of all.

I would not like to see the girl take the Oraquick result too seriously. Treat is as an indicator to get the better tests done. She can get the proper blood test cheaply and quickly at Red Cross. The full "all clear" from very sensitive "amplification test" follow-up takes a few days though.

I would not mind betting that the Red Cross would probably laugh at the OraQuick test (perhaps scoff is the better word), holding it in some contempt. Especially as combined with unreliable, it is also vastly more expensive. Is Oraqucik a complete waste of money? I can't answer that. If I was Catire, I would have attempted to take the girl to Red Cross, although would be up to her if she was willing to share the result. Unwilling would indicate a likely positive, and prove OraQuick sometimes appears to work. If negative, would learn that OraQuick is not to be trusted, and maybe not waste more money.

If I was doing any girl regularly BB, I would want to swap result reports with her, every so often (maybe 3 months). It's no guarantee, but an odds reducer, given we don't fuck very often.

I do agree that girls who have been in the BBFS business for many years, have a much greater chance of being unlucky with one of their HIV customers. I know of one such girl aged about 45, very pretty when I first met her (best friend of my girl), and still in fairly good shape last time seen. A newbie girl just starting out, would have to be very unlucky to have caught it from BBFS. Maybe this is why BBFS guys will be choosing girls as young as they can get, and inexperienced.

Some shops/MPs have their own doctor to do tests. So using a shop girl, can be slightly less risky than free-lancers, who may well be just not getting tested at all.

Thai Buddhists have a fatalist attitude. When their time is up, it is up. So they don't have to indulge in safe practices at all. Teenagers get killed racing motorcycles or innocently get collected by a truck, no concerns about lung cancer, liver cancer, etc. Eat shitty crap food. No problem. It is also considered very bad form to mention risky things, as though the mention is likely to bring on bad luck. These are cultural stupidities. When we are due, we will die. It is that simple to many Buddhists. We can then get re-incarnated and come back in another life as a higher human or maybe as a dog or insect, or ascend to heaven, or descend to hell. LOL

[Catire]

The one furthest to the left seems to have 3 lines. That could mean it is to be discarded.

Perhaps an illusion. From the photo angle. It had two. So did other.

Yes, these puppies are expensive, and they seem to have gotten even more so recently (in the US).

A clinic in BKK will charge 400 baht and get results in 20 minutes or less. Better option, though this obviously has to be preplanned and you cannot just test your takeout girl in the middle of the night.

[BionicMan]

I don't think I will ever have a chance to visit this place again.

Any help will be appreciated.

As shared earlier, not looking for sex but for specific experiences for:

Russians Europeans Uz Stripteases.

Lesbian play.

Soapy massage.

Voyeurism.

Nuru massage.

Bondage.

As shared earlier, I just wish to experience them and not over spend. Hence do suggest budget places which provide decent above experience.

Anything else? Ice in the coke? Sugar in your cup of tea?

RTFF is served 7/24 here, feel free to take advantage of.