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[BaltiX]

Maybe I am just a paranoid person, but it could happen sooner.

Since 2014, European Parliament has officially backed the Nordic model as the model for all of Europe: "The European parliament has voted in favour of a resolution to criminalise the purchase of sex. The yes vote formally establishes the EU's stance on prostitution and puts pressure on member states to re-evaluate their policies on sex work. " https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ean-parliament.

This could have been the impetus for what happened in France in 2016 and Germany in 2017. What I wonder is how self-conscious Germany will be about it's reputation as a sex-tourist destination moving forward. Outside of Germany, FKK clubs are still considered a best-kept secret, that only hardcore mongers know about. But each year, more and more people find out. Does Germany as the de-facto leader of the EU want to be seen as a nation that exploits economical disadvantaged young women from EE villages?

I think that EU resolution is non-binding IIRC. Anyways I don't think a country like Germany will make prostitution illegal for a number of reasons. The countries that adapted the Swedish model are those that strongly opposed prostitution for years or decades, with the exception of Canada. Of course it hasn't stopped prostitution and outside of Sweden enforcement seems weak. Toronto and Montreal has many escort agencies and massage parlors that advertise online and France has a big underground escort scene. Besides I think more people and organizations are starting to recognize sex work as legitimate and there is been growing criticism towards the Swedish model on prostitution.

[Takedown]

Who are the girls doing a proper rim job as part of the standard 50 E but refusing to kiss? Alternately, who are the girls doing a rim job for 50 E or 100 E extra but refusing to kiss for an identical amount?

Who are the girls who will do a rim job on a 45 year old guy but will not kiss him, however will kiss the muscular 35 year old guy because they are attracted to that man? For the same money please, for a true like for like comparison.

Any names? Just a few will do.

Athena, Lily, and Estephania at Sharks.

[Member #4581]

Who are the girls doing a proper rim job as part of the standard 50 E but refusing to kiss? Alternately, who are the girls doing a rim job for 50 E or 100 E extra but refusing to kiss for an identical amount?

Who are the girls who will do a rim job on a 45 year old guy but will not kiss him, however will kiss the muscular 35 year old guy because they are attracted to that man? For the same money please, for a true like for like comparison.

Any names? Just a few will do.

[Pistons]

I just feel that if we take it for granted that the Nordic model will be imposed, then it will. If we don't take it for granted, then it might not happen. Universal psychology. Maybe I just made that up, but I like the idea of it.

The EU might not want brothels, but Amnesty wants it. And the people behind amnesty are much more powerful than EU. It just depends on how much they want to impose influence on this matter.

[McAdonis]

One thing I would say however is that since a law was just passed which for all practical purposes was just an amendment of a prior law, it would be at least sometime before something else may be tried. I know that's what you said as well. I will worry about this being illegal in 2033 if I still have my libido functioning at that time anywhere close to where it is today.

If the opposition to legalized prostitution is as strong as you imply, and the support is terrible, they could have pushed for something worse last year, no? The fact that it didn't happen gives me hope that either the opposition is not as strong, or there is still enough support and lobbying in favor of it.

Maybe I am just a paranoid person, but it could happen sooner.

Since 2014, European Parliament has officially backed the Nordic model as the model for all of Europe: "The European parliament has voted in favour of a resolution to criminalise the purchase of sex. The yes vote formally establishes the EU's stance on prostitution and puts pressure on member states to re-evaluate their policies on sex work. " https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ean-parliament.

This could have been the impetus for what happened in France in 2016 and Germany in 2017. What I wonder is how self-conscious Germany will be about it's reputation as a sex-tourist destination moving forward. Outside of Germany, FKK clubs are still considered a best-kept secret, that only hardcore mongers know about. But each year, more and more people find out. Does Germany as the de-facto leader of the EU want to be seen as a nation that exploits economical disadvantaged young women from EE villages?

[Member #4581]

That's helpful color, thanks.

Again, not being tuned into German politics, I can't give any informed opinion or reply to the points you make.

One thing I would say however is that since a law was just passed which for all practical purposes was just an amendment of a prior law, it would be at least sometime before something else may be tried. I know that's what you said as well. I will worry about this being illegal in 2033 if I still have my libido functioning at that time anywhere close to where it is today.

If the opposition to legalized prostitution is as strong as you imply, and the support is terrible, they could have pushed for something worse last year, no? The fact that it didn't happen gives me hope that either the opposition is not as strong, or there is still enough support and lobbying in favor of it.

Both in NL and DE, politicians have admitted that they "tried something" and it was less than a resounding success: "Social Democrat Lodewijk Asscher believes that the legalization of prostitution was "a national mistake. " The Dutch government now plans to tighten the law to combat a rise in forced prostitution. The Germans aren't there yet. The Greens, who played such an instrumental role by supporting the prostitution law 12 years ago, have no regrets. Irmingard Schewe-Gerigk, who was also a leading Green Party parliamentarian at the time the law was passed, says: "The law was good. It's just that we should have implemented it more thoroughly. ".

The 2017 reforms were essentially "trying something else". The fact that it took years of back-and-forth negotiation between the parties suggests that it was not something they were doing for the next election in six months: "For years, both conservative and FDP lawmakers have been pressing to reform the prostitution laws that were passed in 2001 by the governing coalition of Social Democrats and Greens led by Chancellor Gerhard Schrder. ".

For what its worth, I share your cynical view about politicians only concerned about winning the next election. But in rare instances, politicians will risk political suicide to do what they believe is morally right. Merkel's handling of the the refugee crisis is a recent example. Her actions were widely unpopular with her party and the German people. But she saw it as a humanitarian / human rights issues. Some might say the same thing about human-traff problem that allegedly afflicts the German prostitution industry.

My main point, remains as it was 270 days ago. Prostitution industry despite being legal, is at best tolerated, and at worst has a target on their back. Enemies of prostitution are looking for every reason to push the Nordic model. Who is going to stop them? Local German mongers, many of which are married, and hobby discretely? WGs and foreign mongers, neither of which have a vote in DE? Sixteen years separated the Prostitution Act from the 2017 reforms. So 2033 could be the adoption of the Nordic model.

[McAdonis]

I don't have the faintest clue about German politics. But I will say this: pols do things not because they are logical, they tried something and it failed, they looked at the evidence and decided they need to try something else, etc. That's how a business might function, but not pols. Pols usually do something because they want to be seen as doing something by their target audience. Whether that something is a positive or negative or if it fixes the so called problem or if it leads to ten bigger problems is usually irrelevant to the pol. What might happen in ten years is not their concern, because the next election may be in six months.

Both in NL and DE, politicians have admitted that they "tried something" and it was less than a resounding success: "Social Democrat Lodewijk Asscher believes that the legalization of prostitution was "a national mistake. " The Dutch government now plans to tighten the law to combat a rise in forced prostitution. The Germans aren't there yet. The Greens, who played such an instrumental role by supporting the prostitution law 12 years ago, have no regrets. Irmingard Schewe-Gerigk, who was also a leading Green Party parliamentarian at the time the law was passed, says: "The law was good. It's just that we should have implemented it more thoroughly. "

The 2017 reforms were essentially "trying something else". The fact that it took years of back-and-forth negotiation between the parties suggests that it was not something they were doing for the next election in six months: "For years, both conservative and FDP lawmakers have been pressing to reform the prostitution laws that were passed in 2001 by the governing coalition of Social Democrats and Greens led by Chancellor Gerhard Schrder. "

For what its worth, I share your cynical view about politicians only concerned with winning the next election. But in rare instances, politicians will risk political suicide to do what they believe is morally right. Merkel's handling of the the refugee crisis is a recent example. Her actions were widely unpopular with her party and the German people. But she saw it as a humanitarian/human rights issue. Some might say the same thing about human-traff problem that allegedly afflicts the German prostitution industry.

My main point, remains as it was 270 days ago. Prostitution industry despite being legal, is at best tolerated, and at worst has a target on their back. Enemies of prostitution are looking for every reason to push the Nordic model. Who is going to stop them? Local German mongers, many of which are married, and hobby discretely? WGs and foreign mongers, neither of which have a vote in DE? Sixteen years separated the Prostitution Act from the 2017 reforms. So 2033 could see the adoption of the Nordic model.

[Pistons]

1. So why won't they kiss but will swallow cum and lick butt hole? Popular belief says that prostitutes don't kiss in order to avoid intimacy with their sexual partner. I'm pretty sure that implies attraction, either physical or emotional.

Indeed. Some girls distinguish between love and sex. Love implies kissing and sex does not according to some. I just discussed this with a girl at Wellcum who I was not really into, but figured why not ask to see what she proposed and maybe force a no from her even if she was the one approaching. So she (and I've also heard this before a few times) say they want to hold back on kissing because this is just a job to her, and we are not a couple dating outside of the club. And so this would indeed imply what Takedown says. That they are afraid of attaining feelings if they kiss a customer. Many of these girls / women are in their lower 20's, and it is not as if us men are the only ones improving our emotional and social side as we age. Girls or women too may have a hard time differentiating work from off duty real life sometimes. Then again, who wouldn't love to get one of these hot girls in love with him. Only pimps would hate such a thing to happen to their girl for obvious reasons. In Macau I dated 3 sauna girls. It was as simple as it could get. And a further 4 I would have dated too if not for language problems. But they did ask. In FKK's it gets harder because of the pimp problem. Macau had or has no pimps. All other mechanics are the same. Too bad I read Macau has deteriorated badly recently.

[Mr Ho]

If you look for the info of FKK clubs, rheinforum is probably not the best site to look for because vast majority of local german mongers in NRW don't go or rarely go to FKK clubs and they go to brothels like me (I don't go to FKK clubs). Rheinforum is for those germans who go to brothels. Freiercafe is much easier to find the info of FKK clubs. You should check Freiercafe first for FKK info.

Why you guys prefer brothels over FKK? I think more beautiful young girls at FKK than brothel no?

Do you for instance have good brothels with stunner level young girls and provide good service in NRW?

[Bfsie]

I am surprised there is no club-specific thread for each club.

If you look for the info of FKK clubs, rheinforum is probably not the best site to look for because vast majority of local german mongers in NRW don't go or rarely go to FKK clubs and they go to brothels like me (I don't go to FKK clubs). Rheinforum is for those germans who go to brothels. Freiercafe is much easier to find the info of FKK clubs. You should check Freiercafe first for FKK info.

[BigBuddy69]

Just use google chrome and have auto-translate on? Works well with all languages even if grammar can be a bit weird sometimes. I also read lustscout, youppie and gnoccatravels a bit in addition to freiercafe and ijsberen (dutch version). Can't stand the rheinforum as it is even less organized than ISG.

I do this sometimes but it can be a real pain in the ass, trying to figure what they meant. Same with the writings of the french poet for a normal english speaker.

So I stick mostly to German forums, when I'm not too lazy I can understand most of what they said. Ijs is good because they have a lot of reports and it's well organized but reading it is a chore.

[Takedown]

They don't kiss because they might feel attraction to guys they have sex with? I hope you don't really believe that or you probably will believe other BS the girls tell you as well.


I never denied that attitude, image, and appearance can matter significantly. In fact they do. Being clean, nice, polite but not a victim. But age, profession and looks don't really matter that much. And if you bring up experience, I have been visiting clubs for well over 15 years with quite a few visits per year in about 50 different clubs. It is not that the girls treat you differently because of your age, it is you who's changing and setting different priorities.

1. So why won't they kiss but will swallow cum and lick butt hole? Popular belief says that prostitutes don't kiss in order to avoid intimacy with their sexual partner. I'm pretty sure that implies attraction, either physical or emotional.

2. Well, I'm 35 yo, fit, good looking, and financially well off; so yeah, a girl here and there might find me attractive.

3. I'll take my 10 years and 20 club experience as a peer versus your 15/50 as a father / grandfather figure. In fact, many of the local, young, Turkish guys have a better understanding of the girls than most mongers on forums.

4. Yes I did change between 25 and 35 and I am aware that my priorities changed but I have no idea how that changes my perception of how girls treat me. All I meant was that 35 year old me has better social skills than 25 year old me and the girls react accordingly. If you don't believe confidence and charm matters, perhaps a deeper understanding of social game may be needed, at least in regards to interacting with young people of Latin descent. Prostitutes, especially young ones, still have humanity and are capable of attraction, even if only temporarily. It might be different for guys with old, wrinkly balls though. I'll let you know my thoughts on that in 10-20 years.

[UncleOx]

Hi Bfsie,

Thank you for the information. I will use google translator to interpret some posts. I am surprised there is no club-specific thread for each club. So it would take time to figure out how to get information there. Anyway, Thank you again.

I give you the forum which is the biggest german monger forum in NRW with more than 80% of all the monger posts in NRW:

http://www.rheinforum.com

If you click any topic starting with Bericht in blue color (which means it is a review of the WG, not a question), vast majority of these topics started with a table like this:

http://www.rheinforum.com/threads/sankt-augustin-zaraanicee-fuer-mich-ein-flop.158630/


The table contains summary of WG's description and poster's review. After the table, the poster makes his comment about the WGs.

By the way, on the top of any page on this site as you can see, there is an admin message indicating that it is strictly forbidden to post any illegal activity against the new prostitution law effective on July 1st, 2017.

Hi BigBuddy69,

Thank you for the websites information. I will take a look too.

Freiercafe, ijsberen and eisbaeren can provide intel too and there is one thread per girl. The problem is the language. I can understand German but not Dutch.

[Pistons]

Freiercafe, ijsberen and eisbaeren can provide intel too and there is one thread per girl. The problem is the language. I can understand German but not Dutch.

Just use google chrome and have auto-translate on? Works well with all languages even if grammar can be a bit weird sometimes. I also read lustscout, youppie and gnoccatravels a bit in addition to freiercafe and ijsberen (dutch version). Can't stand the rheinforum as it is even less organized than ISG.

[BigBuddy69]

Freiercafe, ijsberen and eisbaeren can provide intel too and there is one thread per girl. The problem is the language. I can understand German but not Dutch.