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05-30-18 19:19 #8498
Posts: 927Good review and a flash back for Excess
Thanks for the review of the strip scene in Prague, DM and the memories for a Yonge Street boy who long ago went off the rails (Brass and otherwise).
Originally Posted by DirtyMethod [View Original Post]
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05-30-18 04:59 #8497
Posts: 5Prague Hot Peppers and Darling Cabaret review.
I'd like to follow up on ElephantBeer's review that went up just before this.
I finished my night on Saturday at the two best reviewed strip clubs from this forum: Hot Peppers and Darling Cabaret.
It was Saturday night around midnight and it was the most lame ass thing I have ever seen in stripclubs. Just a fucking bad joke.
As mentioned in my first two posts, I know next to nothing about brothels but a decent amount about stripclubs.
Hot Peppers was free. Right beside Hot Peppers is a very popular tourist nightclub so it kind of feels sad as you approach Hot Peppers seeing a line with hot chicks in it and then realizing it's the next place over that you're going. There was no line outside for Hot Peppers and there would never need to be. You enter into this weird trippy tunnel area with a go-go dancer in front just dancing sexy but pretty unenthusiastic about being there overall. It may be that the strippers have to do a front entrance show for the house (which of course means it's a waste of their time).
You go down a floor using stairs and get past the bouncers. When I entered it reminded me exactly of Hitman Absolution's Vixen Club (which is actually pretty fucking lame as far as strip clubs go). The place was rammed with dudes. It was hard to even see strippers because there were so many dudes. To the left is a bar that has an ATM near it. I saw one stripper waiting with a potential client at the ATM. Otherwise I saw only dudes in that area of the stripclub. Like 50+ dudes. I don't even understand why they were there. There were no women in that area ffs.
Anyway when you enter the club right in front of you are some private dance areas but they look like VIP areas. And one of them is for sure a VIP party area. The other areas may be for lap dances but I wonder if you have to get your dances beside other dudes getting theirs. I didn't see any lap dances happening so I couldn't say and I didn't see another area where guys were being taken for lap dances but I'm sure it exists.
Again, accosted by a black girl called "Monae" who was trying to hustle me. I forget the price I was quoted but it was full contact for "two special songs". Wtf does that mean? In stripclubs a song is supposed to be under three minutes. The price was something outrageous. Can't remember but it was getting close to 30 minutes in a brothel for standard equalling probably 6 minutes of full contact lap dance.
The Prague stripclubs clearly only work for nations that are repressed and don't have lively stripclubs. Near the entrance was a group of six strippers just talking amongst themselves. So I instantly knew that this place was a joke. Yes, they are hot. And these girls hit the gym unlike the girls in the brothels who clearly mainly don't.
There was a staircase going down to the main stage area. Dudes filling up both sides of the stairs. People having to take turns waiting as others enter or exit areas. It was like a busy nightclub but all dudes. So a busy gay nightclub basically.
The place was so full that some guys were kneeling on the ground behind the tables where their friends were sitting. There was a main stage. A dancer was doing a skit in a traditional Russian folk girl outfit. The costume was so bulky and confusing and the playfulness went on so long I can't even tell you what she actually looked like. There were a few girls on the main floor working individual tables of guys trying to find those who were ready for the lapdances.
And there is another bar at the back corner. I love bartenders generally and hit on them all the time. It's my weakness because frankly it's damn hard to get a bartender and not usually worth the effort. The blonde bartender I saw at Hot Peppers looked like she hadn't even bothered putting on makeup. She wasn't so hot that she could afford that choice plus it's inappropriate for the venue.
I literally did one pass and tapped out. Totally mismanaged. Clearly the owners have learned that they make more money on a single floor show and selling drinks to groups of buddies than doing what makes more sense, namely cap the number of guys you let in so that the girls can actually get around to the guys and chat them up for lap dances.
The girls were hot. But not out of this world or anything. Plus I just don't understand how they are making good money in a broken system like this. Perhaps during the week or not in summer things operate differently. So my advice would be do NOT go to Hot Peppers on weekend evenings in the summer.
After Hot Peppers I was laughing my ass off at how pathetic the night was for all those dudes in there. The ultimate sausage fest. Like a can of sardines and you twist open the top and hundreds of chipolata come bursting out like a snake in a tube prank. It was such bad energy after the fun time I had at ShowPark Market so I had to escape quick.
I headed over to Darling Cabaret. To ElephantBeer. The black guy came up to me for cover as well but I was so sketched out and thought he was just pretending to work there that I moved deeper in toward the bouncers until I found a different guy taking money for cover. It was 350 krowns (as you mentioned).
The inside of Darlings is nicer than Hot Peppers in that it is an older building with an interesting layout and architecture. There are many different rooms you can pass through. I was directed to the left first. Enter through an area where the girls can rest. Then the next little room is also more or less a waiting area. To the left go down some stairs and there is a stage with two levels of tables for watching. Nothing exciting going on here. I think there was a bar near the stage too. So make a right instead and you are heading into the main area. There are stairs to go down or up. There were strippers just sitting with each other smoking and talking, also showing zero interest whatsoever in talking to guys.
There is another bar in the corner. More girls sitting at the bar not talking to anyone. There was a go-go dancer looking unenthusiastic. Tables along a balcony railing that looks down onto the main stage below. Those tables work all the way around. Nothing exciting on the other side. So instead of going up, go down to the main floor. Again just tons of dudes at tables all around the walls of the room with a central stage. Again a bar in the corner and waitresses huddled around the bar watching over their tables from afar.
Ok, so the highlight was an incredibly hot blonde with a super fit body stripping naked on the main stage. It held my interest for about three minutes given that there was no room to sit and enjoy a drink. There was a midget waitress which was fun and I don't think she strips but who knows what's possible LOL.
The whole thing was again a bad joke. Very few strippers. The strippers aren't all that great looking. All are doable but that's it. The strippers were showing no interest in hustling for lap dances. Just dudes getting drunk watching a floor show. I kind of consider that lame. A stripclub can be mainly about floor shows and just watching but there should be a lot of girls who can easily navigate the space and who come to you and your table and try to hustle for a lapdance. That's the fun of stripclubs! It's where you role reverse. You are the one being chased and you are the one being really picky and rejecting what doesn't fulfill all your needs.
Anyway. There are another set of stairs that go up and connect with the top floor of the main room as well as connecting with the whole space. That is to say, when I entered I turned left and started through that way. But had I turned right I would have come to a waiting area and to the left would have taken me into the main room whereas turning right takes you into another small stage area (so that's one big stage, two small stages. All separated so you can't see more than one at the same time, plus a few go-go stations). This final stage room had a pretty grimy looking chick dancing. She was a good dancer and her outfit was awesome (kind of Heavy Metal FAKK stuff) but she had the face and demeanor that made me think of a street prostitute (I mean I'm not knocking the look, it is a form of hotness for sure. But just to say that the whole Darlings rep of being the "hottest" in Prague wasn't what I noticed on Saturday night).
Another bar in this small stage room and a bunch of strippers and servers huddled around the bar going nowhere near dudes at tables watching the floor show. The hatred of tourists catches up to the Czechs unfortunately and it infects their minds so as to produce terrible service often. It is trendy to hate tourists in Prague and it shows often.
So. Am I missing something? Somehow, were there a bunch of really hot strippers who had already taken guys off to private areas for dances and I couldn't see any of this? Well, I couldn't even see the process that would have it happening, so I tend to doubt that I was missing anything. I didn't see girls talking to guys. I didn't see a lot of movement of strippers around the club. Again, I believe that the judgement of ownership is that more money can be made with media hype, selling drinks to already drunk tourists and having distracting floor shows.
It's not for me. When I go to a stripclub I expect enough space to have no other dudes pressing up against me. I also expect at least four or five strippers to approach me in half an hour to find out if I want a lap dance. I was approached by no strippers but that's fine because I didn't waste money on drinks and I didn't stay in one place long. But, I didn't see strippers approaching any guys really.
I guess I have been spoiled. Whisky A Go Go, Brass Rail, Zanzibar, and more, are Toronto strip clubs which are much better organized. I also like Wanda's in Montreal.
Which is better between the two? (Hot Peppers vs Darling Cabaret).
Hot Peppers is a newer building but Darling has more stages.
Hot Peppers needs more stages and needs to cap how many guests at one time.
The girls at both places need to work harder.
The bartenders and servers need to approach the job with more professionalism.
The services are way overpriced.
Darlings needs screens in the smaller stage rooms which show what is going on in the other small stage room and the main room. Not only so there is more to see, but so that guests can know to move around.
It is clear that both places sometimes do fun floor shows.
If I had to choose only one. Probably Darling Cabaret because there are three stages.
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05-30-18 03:26 #8496
Posts: 5Prague ShowPark Market Review: My first mongering (TL; DR warning).
I'm home now from my Prague trip and can actually afford the time to review my first set of mongering experiences. If you read my first post, you will see a lengthy and at times digressive review of K5 Relax. I chose "Denny" as my first girl ever for mongering, and after watching the movie, "I, Tonya", on the flight home I now realize that Denny kind of has a Julianne Nicholson look (I was a little ambiguous on her looks in my review). That was on Friday night BTW.
So, moving on. On Saturday I decided to walk over to ShowPark Market. At nighttime, you will realize that SP-M is in the middle of nowhere and it feels pretty sketchy around the area at night. I walked through Prague for most of my trip, rarely relying on public transport and never using taxis (which I understand can be a real racket). I walked to get to SP-M as well. SP-M is what I imagined modern brothels are without having had experiences prior to know for sure. The entrance is at the front and you can go into the strip club first or through the main entrance up to the private rooms area and the upstairs bar area.
You pay 350 krowns for entrance and that will get you into the other ShowPark location on the same day. I have read at these forums that ShowPark DaVinci is a little disappointing so I prioritized SP-M. I went to the bar and got a Pilsner for 150 krowns, just so that I could feel comfortable while walking through the two private room sections.
Upstairs, there is a main bar area which is a little too well-lit really. There are monitors on one side where clients can go through the girls' profiles. Again, I don't understand the point of this given that the girls are around the corner in the flesh. If you are uncomfortable interacting with them, then why are you there in the first place?
Anyway, I shouldn't be unfair because there was a straight couple in their thirties who were at one of the monitors going through profiles. So I suppose it has its uses. I went first to the far side from the desk where you pay to get in. I was greeted by a brunette facing right back into the bar area. She gave me the low-down on how things worked. We chatted a bit and I just said what I usually say in strip clubs which is something to the effect of "well, I just got here so I think I'll have a look around. I might come back and see you later."
She didn't really care and by the end of the night I realized that the SP-M girls are real experienced veterans and they are all business. They are committed to the work and treat it like work, so if GFE is something really important to you then I think you might do better somewhere else (just my initial impression). Anyway, I walked around and it's a quadrangle on both sides with basically four hallways and doors on each side in those hallways. The doors might be closed to the rooms or open. The girls might be standing outside their rooms or laying down on the bed-tables in the rooms.
The place looks nice and clean. The rooms are like those little Japanese apartments Westerners find funny. Pretty cozy for doing the deed but you wouldn't want to be stuck there all night. I can understand the appeal of the privats it's nice to have more space and avoid hearing people talking directly outside your room. The beds are up high from wall-to-wall across one side of the cubicle. Obviously, there's a shower and also some space to put your shit, like a chair or hall stand, side table whatever. I actually really liked the cozy space but this is probably because I play too many video game and rpgs LOL.
On the first quadrangle, there was the brunette who introduced some of the features of the club, and in the next hall there was a Latina (like at K5, the face was pretty harsh). I can't remember anyone in the next hallway (in fact there might not have been rooms on that side and for sure not on the outside of it which was the windows to outside the building). On the last hallway there were a few girls. In their stilettos a lot of these girls are taller than me and they are all pretty voluptuous (not exactly my preference). However, I got pulled in by "Emma" who I could tell is someone that I would actually have fun chilling with in real life. She was definitely not the type of girl I hook up with. She was taller than me in her heels, she had these cool lightly-tinted aviator sunglasses on, and she was very voluptuous with big implants.
She put her arm around me like we were buddies chilling on the corner. She was a real hustler. We chatted. She called me "Canada" which I actually thought was funny (it's where I'm from). She is a real hoodrat, but it's sexy I think. She has a wide mouth and luscious lips which is actually very attractive, dyed blonde hair which she had this braid thing going on like Princess Leia Hoth style. But she also has a prominent gap in her front teeth. She claimed to be Czech but it was hard to tell for sure. None of it was turning me off per se, but I was definitely going to check out the whole place first. She tried pretty hard to hustle me into her room, but I just said I was going to look around and probably come back later.
Since I actually was considering Emma, and given I had been checking out the other girls in that hallway while I was talking to Emma, I decided to pass by those other girls simply because it felt a bit like a dick move to start chatting with the others right after and I already knew I wasn't super interested anyway. I know this is poor reasoning because it's all just business but still. I made my way over to the other side for the second quadrangle. I really would advise getting comfortable with perusing and taking your time to make sure you pick out a girl that really interests you. It is clear, they really don't care and they don't take any of it personally at all. So you aren't hurting their feelings (which is more or less impossible) and you're just wasting your own time, money and experience to do something that is second-rate for you when you could take the extra time for finding something top notch.
I walked through the second quadrangle and saw about half a dozen girls. I just said "Hi" to most and sometimes peppered-in some questions about where they are from, and then just kept strolling. I was accosted by a black girl at the end but I'm pretty use to this. I'm usually accosted by the most hood girls in a stripclub too. For whatever reason, I must look like an easy mark to them. I'm not dead set against any woman really. Don't care about ethnicity if they are actually hot. It can be a real time-waster though getting sucked into conversations with the black girls if they try to hustle hard. At least that has been my experience.
It seemed clear that I hadn't settled on anyone and I should take another tour. It was about 10 pm so there were still girls arriving and of course popular girls might have been with a client. You could potentially see a lot of new girls on the second pass. As for the idea of not wanting "sloppy seconds". It's an irrational objection IMHO given that the girls at SP-M are real pros and we're actually talking sloppy thousandths anyway.
I trusted my instinct and it paid off big time. As I was heading back to the bar area, a girl walk through bringing fresh sheets and towels from the storage room to her chubby. Holy fuck, she was hot. Exactly my type. My ideal type. The type my exes know damn well I prefer and are super jealous of just as a fantasy existing in my mind alone. And here was a prime example in the flesh. She grabbed me as she walked past me and pulled me with her toward her room saying "you and me, let's have sex". Such an easy decision for me LOL.
She is known as "Melissa" and is Romanian. She has gorgeous golden tanned skin and beautiful big brown eyes. She has a super cute face and does adorable things like biting her lip or crossing her eyes to be funny. Lots of personality but a real veteran too. You wouldn't know it at first because she looks quite young. I actually established ages with the girls I slept with at the brothels (their claimed age and then their real age) but I don't want to share that because it feels like a shitty thing to do to the client and the girl. If you think she is younger than she is and that is turning you on then who am I to dispel your fantasy?
But "Melissa" has been in the game for a while which has its upsides she's very good and some things that are usually extra or expensive extras aren't so with her (at least that was how it worked out for me). So I get told the half hour price and I never really care because I know myself and can't finish in 30 minutes. I'm locked in for the hour. She immediately offered me BBBJ for 1000 krowns extra (with an hour being 4000 krowns). I was totally fine with that and it seemed like good value. But here's where it got tricky.
Once I agreed to the extra, she told me that what we should really be doing is a threesome and she would bring her friend in. First of all, the room is too small for this IMO. Secondly, I don't like the idea of losing control of the pace through having the two girls working out stuff amongst themselves. I'm not a passive lover so I have little interest in wasting time watching them fuck. Finally, this other girl came in the room and lay on the bed. I wasn't into her. She reminded me a bit of the aggressive pudgy faced girl from K5 the night before. So while Melissa showered, this other girl did her pitch and I just kept on politely saying no and repeating that I just wanted to have my time with Melissa.
When Melissa turned the shower off, the other girl automatically knew to leave but I did have to say no half a dozen times. So now I had Melissa to myself which is what I wanted. She is petite and brunette with a super tight little body. Nice natural tits and a perky ass. You can tell she has been in the business a while tho because her pussy is kind of long for her frame and her butthole is chewed up something fierce. It really doesn't detract that much because I find her really pretty.
So we got started with a BJ until I was ready to go. Then missionary, doggy, and cowgirl. Back to missionary. I knew I was getting some good extras because I could eat her pussy (which I was happy to do because she's so hot) and I could lick her butthole (in addition to the BBBJ). I didn't want to push my luck with the extras because we had a good rapport and I didn't want to ruin it by being scolded. I asked her to go into a 69 so I could finish. I just buried my tongue in her ass while she gave me head and then she finished me off manually which became a real workout for her. I did finish which is good.
So then she just went and washed her hands and then I got her to come back and lay down beside me again. Just light petting and conversation. I'm a hopeless romantic. And can't even treat a working girl like a working girl lmao. Oh well. I get what I want out of it which is what counts. This experience was very good because physically she was ideal. I got to know a little bit about her and although it could also be cover stories over the cover stories. I feel like she was actually confessing some genuine stuff about herself in some cases.
Either way, it was a nice way to bring it to a close. And that was it. I would rate Melissa's face at a 9. I'm not a boob man so I don't need them to be really big. I really liked hers. Natural nice sized be-cup. I don't have big hands and they fit perfectly in my hands. Nice nipples too. I'the give the titties an 8 actually but I think most guys would down-rate for small size. Cute ass that went nice with the petite frame. This is a girl who should put some time in at the gym to firm up. Ass I'the give a 7+. Great skin complexion and tone. I liked the attitude and I accept that she's a veteran, but I can imagine that for some guys they might complain that it was mechanical. For me it wasn't mechanical because my fucking style doesn't really afford the women that many chances to play the dead-fish role or the hurry-up-already role, but I can imagine Melissa going into impersonal robot mode at any point if she felt like it.
I think one thing I am disappointed about is that I didn't ask about DFK as an extra. She said once we got started that I couldn't kiss her face because it would mess up her makeup. That's fine but I should have got a DFK price quote at least. Still, I had a very pretty ex who had similar concerns and you know even if you pay for DFK if she keeps resenting you for messing up her makeup it will just make the sex shittier because her attitude will turn to shit. In addition, two other points she asked whether I wanted her for the rest of the night but she quoted me some big time money like 30 k Krowns. Because of the mongers here I had done my research into the privats and saw the Royce Girls and high end escort prices. Her quote was on par. I wasn't going for it anyway, but I also wondered what "the whole night" meant. If it meant twelve hours, alright. Maybe. She mentioned this all night option as a way to get DFK. I wonder whether other "extras" would have been thrown in too. Kind of regret not inquiring further. But my finances are a joke right now so it would have been a huge mistake for me to do this. I had been thinking Lilith Lee from ChicBabes because I love her porn scenes but the price is wrong for me. Anyway, with Melissa. If I had more money to my name, I'the do 30 k krowns for 24 hrs, including GFE, DFK, anal, BBBJ, and pop wherever I want. My guess is that if you get the big offer like I did, it might mean she either doesn't really want to do standard work that night or she actually kind of digs you for a client. Exploit! Haggle! Try to get all reasonable extras thrown in for a full day high-paid escort price (if she's quoting in that range to begin with). But I think it would be foolhardy to pay more than what is offered through ChicBabes or RoyceGirls (unless I guess all extras are included).
Finally, the other thing with Melissa that had me thinking was when she told me that she was not working for the following 4 days. "taking a break", she said. Seems to me like she might have been hired for those days by a single client. Who knows and not worth thinking about it really but if you are thinking about planning something big get absolutely all information possible and don't let the girl make you feel like your questions are irritating. For me, Melissa was by far the hottest girl at ShowPark that I saw that night. She certainly made a tempting offer. If I return to Prague in the next year, I will search her out.
I wasn't done at SP-M actually. The Melissa session was good but because of all the veteran-pro-business vibes I got off of her at different times, I decided I would head back over to the other side and see what was new, maybe check back in with Emma one last time to see if it was still tempting. Sure enough Emma was there still, this time in her room laying on her bed. I let her put in a little work in trying to hustle me into her room. We chatted and she realized I had been the past hour with another girl. So upfront I established that I would consider 30 minutes as long as she wasn't aiming to get me to finish because I really didn't care about that. What I was intrigued by was fucking a chick who is the type that would never ever be a match in real life although I find the look sexy as hell.
I agreed to a 30 minutes session for 2000 krowns. Her tits are massive and she is a meaty voluptuous girl. I had some fun playing with her boobs and sucking them. Got a covered BJ, and then put her on her back to take a look at her pussy and asshole. Wow! Both the pussy and butthole were in great shape and honestly it was pretty surprising given her look and style. I was impressed. Did some missionary then cowgirl. I figured since I wasn't planning on finishing (too much mental work for me) that I'the finish with doggy which is just fun either way. When I was done with all that, I just chatted a bit while playing with her tits again and grabbing her ass. Just a fun little session. Cleaned up and went home. I'd rate Emma lower than Melissa for sure. Her tits are pretty fun and torpedo shaped like the old Playboy cartoons LOL. She has a nice looking pussy and butthole. Nice complexion and tan.
On my way home I passed through downtown and actually picked up an incredibly cute Russian girl near the end of the night. I guess the most disappointing part of my trip is that she agreed to go out with me for dinner the next night but then didn't reply online. Fortunately, I went on an impromptu date the next night anyway. But again, the mongering is such a relief in so many ways. It's just an honest deal where some things that you need are guaranteed and not held out like a carrot only to be taken away in the end after you did the work.
ShowPark Market isn't a necessary stop if you are mongering in Prague, provided that you put GFE first and foremost. But it has a lot of girls and decent variety. Most are hot, probably all actually but subject to personal taste of course. Not many petite or slim girls though. The overall quality is pretty good and I think the owners choose these girls because they are veterans and experienced professionals. It's no nonsense. Don't expect GFE at SP-M.
Before I left, I went downstairs to the regular stripclub. It is tiny. Just a bar with a small stage. However, there was a lot of fun stuff going on and the place was beginning to fill up. There was a dude brought up on stage and two of the strippers were humiliating him with his own belt. I've seen it all before but always good for a chuckle. The strippers are a cut below the girls upstairs. I didn't see any space for a lap dance but I'm guessing it's doable.
The night wasn't over and I hit up Hot Peppers and Darling Cabaret but will save that for a separate review. Again this is a long review, but again I write it with thorough detail to help noobs like myself as well as provide myself with a record of what happened before I forget.
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05-30-18 01:33 #8495
Posts: 174Strip Club. Darlings.
Went into Darlings tonight with my GF (don't ask). Here's the report:
You don't pay the entry inside, instead pay to a roving African man outside. Weird. It's 350 czk (14 euro) to get in. My girlfriend was charged 1,000 czk (39 euro). When I asked why, the reply was because she wouldn't be spending on ladies. Fair enough, I suppose. It turned out she got a poker chip worth a free table dance. This cost 1,000 czk. So essentially she got in free (but with a mandatory table dance).
If that makes sense.
Beers and cokes were all 350 czk. I've never had a 15 euro coke or Heineken before, but I'm here to tell you it tastes very similar to the regular 1 euro kind.
I told my GF I would buy her as many sodas as her kidneys could handle when we leave the bar, but she better sip the hell out of the 15 euro one I bought. I had three beers and we stayed about 2 hours. Each time you buy a drink you get an additional chip you can tip the dancers with, a waitress said they're worth about a euro each. I didn't see any guys tipping girls with these (on the stage). Only with funny money that I guess you can purchase as well. Guys were literally raining funny-money on some of the girls and getting exactly nothing in return.
There are three stages spread throughout the club, apparently only the center (main) stage gets full nude.
The customers were mostly business dudes, and a couple of bachelor parties or something. No-one took the 99 can-of-beer thing offered. Everyone had bottles of beer or full liquor bottles on their tables.
The girls were nothing special, maybe about 40 or 50 around the club. Age went from 23 - 45, with the average in the middle to late 20's. A single girl would get up on stage and strip till nude after 2 songs, but you couldn't see much, and there was absolutely no spreading. Hand over the pussy most of the time when anything good was about to be seen.
We used our table-dance-chip on a tall, slender Russian. She took her top off, but not bottom. Played with some ice, and rubbed her boobs in my face.
Maybe guys were getting laid someplace in the club, but from what I saw it was just a massive clip joint. I don't mind the 115 euro we spent for an evening at the club. But if I were after some shagging this is not the place I would look. A fun enough, but pricey and hollow experience.
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05-28-18 19:25 #8494
Posts: 5No problem.
Originally Posted by Admin2 [View Original Post]
Anyway, it didn't really bother me. For my first time, I didn't mind "safe" sex / foreplay. Most important thing for me is that she was friendly and good company.
Other thing that is really important to me is that the girl I hook up with is very good-looking. I like the type of girls I can't (easily) get in real life.
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05-28-18 16:38 #8493
Posts: 92Seriously
Originally Posted by Nixus85 [View Original Post]
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05-26-18 19:22 #8492
Posts: 5Prague K5 Relax Review: My first mongering (TL; DR warning).
I had a trip planned to Prague for a conference for work. I knew that I'the have some open nights to do what I want, and I also knew that I wasn't going to know anyone (the conference isn't entirely in my field and I'm new to this kind of work). Just a little background information: I don't usually do one night stands and I typically have long sexless breaks between relationships. That being said, my standards are high because the girls who I end up dating have the two qualities that are important to me: pretty face (at least an 8; with Adriana Lima or young Pam Anderson or Sara Jean Underwood as 10; 9 would be like the hottest girls you see in a typical day of walking around downtown in a big city) and they have to be intelligent enough to keep up with me. Added quality. An interest in weird, eccentric dudes LOL.
OK, enough about me. For now.
So, I have been to plenty of different stripclubs and have worked in the adult industry in different capacities (had a porn website which was getting popular until one of my exes forced me to abandon it, hired a famous pornstar through her agency for an event for that website, worked in a hotel attached to a stripclub, worked in an adult video store, and my best friend was a stripper and escort for a few years). With that said, I knew nothing at all about brothels.
Knowing that there would be an opportunity for sexy times in Prague, I decided to do some research. I came to this forum and learned something about the ways of the monger. I have to thank all of you for your information (I read every post on Prague going back 18 months). The information has been invaluable so far and it got me through my first experience which was at K5 Relax last night.
My Airbnb was pretty damn close to K5. I showed up around 10 pm on Friday. This was well-timed because there were plenty of girls there (over a dozen, but under twenty) and basically no dudes. I would say, the manager is a Russian woman and I would guess that the club is owned and operated by Russians (but I could be wrong about that). The staff was courteous and discrete. The doorman did some light probing to gauge how much of a noob I was. Thankfully, I had read this forum so I played off that I was comfortable enough in the setting. I believe that this can be important because these people are sharks and you wouldn't want the word to be whispered around the club that you were bait.
The manager explained that there is a 500 krown fee to go in and have a look around which could be waived if I picked a girl after the first quick tour. The first quick tour isn't really enough time to know who you want if you haven't been at the place before. I paid the 500 cover realizing that I might actually bail out (wasn't likely once I got through the front door, but still). I bought a Heineken for 225 krowns (it might have been 240, can't remember).
So, now I'm in the main club room. I am seated away from the girls. There are two guys on those far booths with me (not super close to each other as to be totally lame). There is a computer tablet that pulls out at the booth where you can get info on the girls. I didn't spend much time with the monitor because it struck me as lame when the real women are just over my shoulder in the flesh. I wasn't convinced that the photos on the tablet were any more legit than what you might find on websites (I realize K5 does the funny caricatures instead at their main website). Any deets I would have wanted I could get from the girl herself or the manager. I would take glances over my shoulder and turn enough to check out all the girls. I did full scans where I looked over them as a group for half a minute or so at a time. Some of them were focused on me either intensely or casually, while some girls weren't really looking at me. In my mind, I wasn't canceling anyone out yet, but I was looking for something that stood out as my type.
It is a bizarre experience the first time in a brothel when you realize that they are all there to satisfy the juxtaposition with real life is weird. Even the hottest and fittest men don't hook up 90% of their attempts. I can get almost any single girl's number but it doesn't mean much and to clutch on the text or phone call after isn't very easy in fact, it's super fucking hard and not really worth the effort because then the rare date is your next challenge which almost always fails and now you have invested emotions, time, energy, and money. I see the heteronormative mating system to be heavily dictated by women (perhaps it always was) and they just aren't anywhere near as horny as men so they can take their good time and be super finicky. La donna e mobile. It's just so much work and as I get closer to age forty without being married I find I just can't put in the effort anymore and grind to make something happen. It's exhausting mentally and I guess to be honest my t-count is plummeting at this age so that doesn't help any. Then again, I've always had a hard time pushing for something to happen with women. If it doesn't come pretty easy I don't bother. I'm not into playing games and twisting arms as some kind of "cute" ploy to show her how much I want it. I need her to want me as much as I want her and that is rare given we chase them and we're the ones that are horny all the time in uncomplicated ways emotionally. So enough philosophy and suffice to say the system is inherently broken and leads to much male misery and is fucking needless. Women should just be popping lady Viagras all the time from puberty onward. The world would be a happy place. No war, no violence, no frustration, no anger. Likely no assaults of any kind. Nature screwed up for us in order to suit itself and we have the power to fix it but we don't. I'm dumbfounded. Enough philosophy again.
Some of the girls at K5 place themselves strategically in the main lounge which I already know is the style from my time in stripclubs. When I entered the main room there was a Brazilian girl (so she said) lounged right next to the entrance. Clearly, she was the alpha. Then there were a couple of demure unassuming girls along the first wall near her. Most girls were then huddled around the bar (where there was another guy drinking), and finally there were some girls at the central booth. There was a pole and girls take turns dancing. They don't get naked and it is really just a way to whet the appetite of clients and allow the guys to see more of the girls' bodies.
The alpha girl was near the entrance, but the group at the central booth is also something familiar to me from stripclubs. Sometimes girls form little gangs in order to exert methods of control with clients, management, and other girls. None of this surprised me. The manager returned to me after I got my beer from the bartender. I asked her whether it was alright if I walked around the room a bit. She approved and told me that I can chat with the girls as well to find out if there is a good fit. Worth noting is that one of the girls was making eyes with me pretty aggressively trying to coax me to choose her she was doing that from the moment I walked in the place and never stopped. It is easy to quell anxiety by going with the aggressive female. You are basically letting her make your tough decision for you. I think this is a bad approach generally. That being said, this pushy type can be looking for prestige more than money (it depends on what motivates her primarily to be doing that kind of work). If the former, then it could potentially be a good experience because she'the be looking to have a strong rep in the club and she'll want to satisfy to get your good review or have you returning for her, but alternatively if she is simply a hustler then once you are locked-in she doesn't have much incentive to satisfy. I think how these things play out is also dependent on whether you are perceived as a one-time or first-time visitor or not. I know some of the mongers here have mentioned that once recognized as "familiar" a different dynamic emerges with the girls in these kinds of establishments. I kind of understand that from having been a regular at one stripclub and several bars staffed with mostly hot servers.
I wasn't going for the pushy girl who looked a little bit too butterfacey for me. The wolf pack at the central booth had a couple of the best girls (one voluptuous girl with a Czech face and she was seductive looking, also a black haired girl with glasses that was one of the prettiest in there). I was tempted by the wolf pack but usually these little groups hustle hard, and in stripclubs they are pushy and ironically see you as the piece of meat. This type usually seeks to work the least for the money.
I got up and did a tour of the room and walked over to the Brazilian. As I passed by and stopped near the bar to get a better look of all the girls, the pushy one said "Ahoj" quite loudly and I replied "Ahoj". The girls kind of tittered and raised some chat amongst themselves. I wasn't that keen on the girls around the bar. They were not girls that I would usually go after on the street. It was the girls in key locations that were the best looking or unique looking. At this point I chatted with the Brazilian girl while watching the girl dancing on the pole. The girl on the pole was one of the three who had been standing against the first wall closer to the Brazilian alpha.
I was now leaning toward any of the three who stood close to the alpha. It strikes me that you would have an easier time with them because they aren't jockeying for position in the club. My guess is that the alpha "allows" them to stand there whereas other girls aren't allowed. This suggests that those unassuming girls along the first wall don't have a dominant streak that would threaten the alpha. The chances that these girls are the most demure is higher also. It sounds bad but you can learn a lot about sex clubs (stripclubs for sure, and maybe brothels too) just by watching a lot of documentaries on ape socialization. The sex club environment is primal.
The Brazilian was hot by the way but like many Latina women that exude sexuality her face was a little harsh. So, at this point I was pretty much decided on the girl who was dancing on the pole. She had been the one closest to the Brazilian and she looked cute under the light around the dancing pole. I wouldn't rate the faces or bodies super high for basically all of the girls and given I go to the gym at least ten hours a week, I could tell virtually none of them work out. You might find something that suits your taste tho. It was all good enough. Like the type of girl that works out for you as a one-night stand from a regular bar or club. You have a fun time and in the morning you get more serious about whether it is good enough for a relationship or dating. Usually, you figure it was a one night deal but there is still enough there physically to go "sure, I like that and that about her looks. It was worth it. " But, it was hard to decide at K5 because these girls really don't stack up on dozens that you see around Prague (keep in mind though that half of the amazing regular girls walking around Prague are probably under 22 and the brothels are probably average age of 28-29 I would figure).
So, I let the manager know that I was picking the girl dancing. When she returned to her spot, the Brazilian called out to her and let her know I was picking her. She seemed a little surprised and was acting shy. We didn't really talk much but I could have opted for that. I could have just talked to her first and got a good look at her face to decide.
N. B. As I committed to my girl, a 9-rated girl (the only one in there I'd say) came strutting into the room. My guess is that she was coming back from being with a client, but she might just have such an easy time getting clients that she doesn't have to be in the main room all night. She was tall and blonde and looked Russian or Ukrainian. Sort of an Ivana Sugar look a bit, at least in my mind. She was damn hot and in a sense she was probably the real alpha. It would have been interesting to try for her but my guess is she is all business. So the best experience with a girl like that (I'm guessing) would be if you aren't looking for GFE at all. You'the just want to drink in the hotness and enjoy looking at a pretty face while you do the deed. She looked like the type that would be texting and smoking while you fuck her but my experience at stripclubs tells me that isn't necessarily true. I have only every visited one stripper regularly but she was smoking hot and was sweet and enthusiastic. But either no extras or very expensive. She was all business too.
Spending more time in the main room, shopping and talking to the girls up close to judge face and such strikes me as potentially a great strategy for selection, or possibly terrible. It could work to chat with as many girls as you can just to get a look at the faces and figure which you find pretty. The downside would be that once you get a good look, you aren't impressed with any of the girls. That would be a tough situation to be put in, especially for a first timer.
So I didn't over think it. I was there to get the job done. My girl was "Denny" and I asked her nationality and she said Czech. I told her I chose the Space themed room (apparently only weird dudes choose this room LOL). As I committed mentally to this girl, I had a strong urge to change my mind and go for the Brazilian at the last minute. Again, I think this is just her alpha power compelling this and your own expectations on the one you chose instantly crumbling (which is natural). But this Latina alpha might be setting herself up to make you think that she's a good choice at the end too.
I stayed the course and stuck with my Czech girl, Denny. She took me down to the Space room. There is a very nice bar on the first floor down from the main lounge with a bartender but no clients or girls. We went in the space room. I chose an hour because I tend to have a difficult time finishing on my first or second go with a girl. The hour was a very good choice. The hour was decent value too. 3900 krowns. I hadn't established "extras" with my girl when we started, and she mentioned near the start that she doesn't do extras.
So if you want BBBJ or anything else then you would definitely need to chat with the girl first before going to a room and establish this clearly. I didn't care because I was more interested in standard penetration given it had been over six months since I had had sex. Standard stuff was going to be good enough this time. But now the next day I realize that I would probably want to establish extras in the future given that four things considered "extra" with most girls are the things I like the most (probably typical).
Space room was fun and a nice icebreaker. My girl was giggling and giddy. I thought it was cute. I thought she was blonde but when I saw her in the light ginger! Pretty cool because I've never been with a ginger and she is a true ginger with the carpets matching the drapes. Her body was pretty good. She is relatively petite (especially compared to the other girls and most strippers I've known). She had big B cup tits that weren't bad or anything. Her ass had some meat on it without being cottage cheesy. In the light of the shower room, I could now tell that I didn't like her face as much as in red and dark light (but when isn't that true for girls). Also, she didn't have much makeup on and probably did it herself. I think raccoon makeup (common for the pornstars) is a great look for sex, and it improves any woman's face a ton when all you want is sex. K5 spends so much money on tablets and trimmings like that. They should invest in teaching their girls how to apply raccoon makeup through hiring a makeup artist.
So, we showered and then got started. I work out a lot at the gym (natty) so she was happy with that and warmed up. I was able to French kiss her but it didn't really get to DFK. I'm not 100% she would French every guy. I guess I'm glad it didn't go DFK actually because I hate tobacco and it is the next afternoon now and I can still taste her tobacco breath in my mouth LOL. Honestly, I realize this report is thorough partly to inform others, give back to this forum, help noobies like myself, but most importantly to have a diary log for the experience that I might refer to later for reflection. So I apologize if this seems tedious.
I'm a pretty nice dude in bed and I don't go for hate fucking much. Only with long time girlfriends when we are in that mood to be aggressive with each other. I started with just some quick foreplay. I didn't want to eat her pussy because honestly it's something I do more for the girl so given I was the one paying then whatever. We started cowgirl, then missionary, then doggy, then I checked the clock. She called up to the manager. Twenty minutes left.
Realizing I would need some time to finish, I just got her to park her ass near my face and give me head in a 69 and then we stayed in that position and switched to manual without the dome. Her technique is not great for me (too rough) but Hell, it worked! She is the type that you could communicate with and she'the follow instructions. I did actually finish which is good for me in this kind of a situation. Just FYI, I used to fake it in college with some of my one night stands. It was super awkward because dudes can't really fake it and fool the girl LOL. Funny story, but one girl came back the next day and demanded that I sleep with her again and finish this time. ! and I did what she wanted. It wasn't terrible but I just wasn't into her personality or sex appeal in bed.
Anyway, my girl Denny didn't really want to do DFK which was fine as mentioned. She didn't want me fingering her pussy. Which wasn't ideal but we moved to penetration quick so I didn't care. I rubbed her butthole a bit but I think if I had gone for more it would have been considered "extra". Again, not a big deal for me on my first time, but something you might want to consider for your own taste and style. She rubbed herself quite a bit which was sort of annoying but I considered it flattering that she was trying to get off instead of just letting the clock run down.
Denny was sweet and friendly. It wasn't very mechanical but as mentioned I'm not an angry lover. If you were rough with her she might shut down and go mechanical. I'm not sure tbh. IMHO these girls fall back on being mechanical because they need emotional distance because dealing with men who kind of hate and resent them is too much for even tough girls to handle. So overall, I had a good time with Denny and she even got us some extra time at the end to just lie there and chat for a few minutes.
One night stands with regular girls have a few advantages over this kind of experience: you presumably spend less money (probably still buying her drinks and having to spring for a cab when otherwise you would walk or bus), probably get more than one session (but maybe not), and you wake up together and can chat and maybe find reasons to feel good about the experience if the sex wasn't so great. In this new situation for me at a brothel, you don't get those bonuses, but it is what it is. It was what I needed at least.
Psychologically, I rebooted my brain on women and sex. That was what I was hoping for and it happened. So now I'm contemplating whether I will do Sexy Sauna, Princess Massage, ShowPark Market, Darlings / Hot Peppers as planned, or whether I will just lay low and go to normal bars and stuff. When I think about how picking up girls at bars works (or doesn't) I realize that it is often an exercise in futility. There is a lot of prancing and preening and displays which I hate. You usually have to lie to women about key things in life in order to hold their interest. Everyone has weaknesses. I'm attractive, fit and smart. But I'm also pretty old and damn broke for my age. I have to cover for those disadvantages through deceit and that feels like shit. The nice thing about the brothel experience is that none of that matters. If I am able to pay my tab then she doesn't need to know more about my situation and she isn't motivated to judge me harshly as if she was freaking perfect Princess Grace Kelly or something.
After having broken up with my ex years ago and then just sleeping with her intermittently ever since, I was slowly developing a jaded attitude toward women. I couldn't break out of it because of the sexual frustration. Last night, I was able to reboot my brain on these matters. I made some important realizations about regular everyday women. I think this could help me in the coming months with getting some hookups with everyday girls. I think this K5 experience had no real downside: either I realize that mongering is a good option for me, or I decide that I'm going to need to work harder for something standard.
I would say that Denny is a good choice if you like petite, ginger. Sort of small town girl. The kind you might see working in the pet store or coffee shop. She responds well to kindness and I suspect would shut down to aggression.
Face: 5-6 but that would go up to 7 with heavy makeup or if she wasn't living so hard.
Tits: 6-7, and nothing actually wrong with them.
Ass: 7-8, she has enough good meat on her rump that if she just got in the gym and squatted 3 times a week it would be a real nice juicy booty (nice little butthole too BTW).
Attitude: 8, I liked her attitude quite a bit and her giggling at the start was sweet (I don't assume ever that I'm being treated special or better than other guys because it's their job to make you think you are better than the average).
I guess if I could sleep with every single woman in the entire world including all the swamp donkeys that I'the rate a 1. Then I'd give Denny a 7. If she started living better, hit the gym, stopped smoking and wore her makeup better, she'd be a 7+ but I don't think she'd reach 8 for me, but you never know. I wouldn't feel proud to bang a 6 and I'm not sure I ever have in my life. Maybe once. 7's are my doable. 8's are girls I'll date. 9's are girls I'll work very hard for. 10's aren't happening (but I had one 10 GF in my life and it was a pain in the ass so I advise against it anyway). And of course I'm using the hot-crazy matrix logic here that these values are MY values and everybody has their own standard.
So, this review is probably only helpful to those of you who read it and say. "hey man, I think like this guy". Otherwise, it's a pretty long-winded review. I might have to go back to K5 for that tall blonde. I worry though about it being mechanical and I worry that I'd get locked into expensive extras. Tonight, I'm considering checking out ShowPark Market. I might pass on DaVinci if I find something at Market because this forum seems to be nonplussed with the DaVinci selection generally.
One last thing. Admittedly I always have trouble finishing with non girlfriends and even those who become gfs when we do it for the first few times. However, jet lag is going to have added effects to that end which even alcohol isn't going to overcome. Just something to remember. Your mind might be willing when you are vacationing and ready to monger, but your body might just not be in its best form. So if I could impart wisdom as I transition out of the total noob category, I would say that you shouldn't have expectations, but that you should get as much information as you need until you are comfortable with your decision. Don't trust your first thought which makes you want to bail out on a hard decision you actually make, but if that doubt lingers then probably follow it. I would say, don't get pushed into anything. I know little about brothels but something about stripclubs. Pushiness is total BS. She is doing this for the money and her own psychological mandate which has zero to do with you so don't get sucked into her way of mental reasoning. Make your decisions and don't fall back on the girls doing it for you. If you entertain a pushy girl let her know all the extras you want for free for choosing her. And then maybe it actually is a fair deal.
BTW my best friend who was an escort. Well she quit, got married to an old rich guy and had two kids with him. I think that her decision to sell her sex had a long complex history going back to porn tapes we found in her dad's room when we were teenagers. Her parents had pornos with quite a bit of male bisexuality. I think that she was psychologically disturbed by this. She lost her virginity to a known bisexual dude. Which probably made him one of two guys in the whole network of people at half a dozen schools that was known as bisexual. I don't see her choice as coincidental. She then freely chose to sleep with about 30 guys before age 23, including myself. She did gangbangs at lunch with some older dudes from her high school. She was wild. She had a ton of miscarriages as well. Then she got into an abusive relationship and the guy really kicked the shit out of her. He actually died recently at age 42. He just had so much defective at a genetic level but often our culture is developed to allow these people to contribute positively in other ways so you can end up being with people like this either romantically or in friendships. She then dated a heroin dealer and was stripping and meeting some clients outside of work for paid sex. Her life was a joke. Then she hooks up with this old guy who is her dad's age and this guy strikes me as pretty straight-edged. For me, it's clear. All of her fuck-ups in life and bad decisions were because of those porn tapes and her finding it psychologically traumatizing to imagine her father as a sissy (he presents himself quite the opposite). She was stripping and selling sex to work through those issues and frankly I can't imagine any other way that she would have fixed her issues. I think that she was searching for information on the secret sexual lives of men so that she could mentally forgive her father for disappointing her. She felt compelled to be with several bad men to see the full range of sexual weirdness that can get hidden. I don't have shame or blame for the choices she made, and I don't think anyone else should. So that's it. Freudian psychoanalysis mode: off.
It's my first post.
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05-26-18 16:59 #8491
Posts: 118Originally Posted by Ozzie09 [View Original Post]
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05-26-18 16:47 #8490
Posts: 118A real gem
Louise Pearl.
After reading some really interesting and juicy reviews of this newly popular KGFE style independent, I decided giving it a try.
As already confirmed / mentioned by others, the communication with Louise was smoothly easy and she answered promptly. Her email showed how she is well prepared to understand my desires and to meet my request within her limit. I could really feel her enthusiasm in what she is doing.
A little more details of how much she takes care of her lucky client: she sent me a reminding mail for the meeting few days before and a picture of her outfit few hours before because we were about to meet in a public place.
She showed up at the right time at where we agreed. Her dress and looks fully met what I have asked for: business casual and moderate low profile sexy make-up. In person, she looks even more pretty than the girl in her pictures and sexy with that curvy body. Meanwhile, she does have a GND face, beautiful green eyes and charming smile. After a little chit chat, we were on the way to her secret coffee place for some social time as agreed.
Louise speaks fluent English. She is a very easygoing and intelligent girl with great personality. The conversation was really enjoyable and relaxed just giving me the feeling of dating a gorgeous and attractive girl. We stayed in this cozy and quiet coffee for about an hour and off we went towards my place.
Once we arrived in my apartment, Louise surprisedly brought out few small candles and atmosphere tiny lights from her big shoulder bag and started to put them around the room. That's really amazing gestures. It did make the date intensely romantic.
After some little kisses and cuddling, she excused and disappeared in the bathroom. Few minutes later she came out with the lovely role play clothes as I have asked for. We did play a little bit but soon ended with kissing each other and hands around our body. Oh my gosh, she is such a great kisser! Her kisses are deep, wet and sensually passionate. It did turn me on quickly and make me really horny. Then her clothes came off so I could explore her curvy hot body. Oh guys, her firm and smooth body together with her sloppy BJ made me feel in the heaven. Her BBBJ with lots of eye contact and balls licking was simply fantastic. It seems to me Louise really loves to please as well as she enjoys the very sensual and intimate time. Her pussy is well shaved with little nicely trimmed hair over the pubic area. Doing her DATY was another great moment of the date. Her pink beauty was so wet and it tasted sweet and really good.
I won't go much into details about the juicy part because I want to reserve those beautiful memories just for myself (I'm sorry). What I can tell is the meeting with Louise was totally amazing and relaxed as well. She is not a time watcher at all. The 4 hours meeting was really romantic, sensual and naughty. It did fly by very quickly.
A must repeat experience!
Face: 9/10.
Body: 9/10.
Attitude: 10/10.
Kiss: 11/10.
WIR: absolutely.
https://www.louisepearl-gfeprague.com/
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05-26-18 16:34 #8489
Posts: 4Sharon pink pornstar.
Hello everyone,
I would like to meet with escort Sharon Pink. (https://czech-republic.escortalert.c...20c693dd7.html).
But her official site and phone number do not work.
I am ready to pay 2.000 euro for 1-2 hours.
Some agencies say that she retired but I think she will meet me for 2000 for 1 hour.
So guys tell me please how can I find her in Prague? [Personal Name deleted by Admin]
Thank you in advance!
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05-26-18 08:39 #8488
Posts: 2Do you normally tip masseuses or privats, or is that not common in Prague? If so, how much? Thanks.
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05-24-18 23:04 #8487
Posts: 3Visiting Prague. Looking for good private houses, cheap independent escorts.
Hello,
I will be mongering in Prague around June 15th and 16th and have no clue where to start from. Can anyone suggest where I can get lucky with 2000 CZK to spare.
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05-22-18 05:06 #8486
Posts: 3Originally Posted by Ozzie09 [View Original Post]
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05-21-18 12:28 #8485
Posts: 25Originally Posted by WunderBarMany [View Original Post]
Just checked her website and she seems amazing, can't wait to contact her. She is the kind of escort girl I was searching for. Can you recommend some other girls for dinner to breakfast / overnight?
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05-21-18 01:37 #8484
Posts: 3Had a 4 hour Virgin Experience with Louise Pearl and I can definitely recommended her. I got the idea from some of her other positive reviews on here and she didn't disappoint. She's beautiful and also quite empathetic, just as she describes herself on her site. She is very kind and makes you feel like you could talk to her about anything, which is perfect for anyone inexperienced. Kinkiness is one of her specialties, but I let her know I'm not into kinky things and just wanted a good GFE and she delivered on that. She suggested a good Czech restaurant near my hotel for dinner and then gave me an interesting little tour of Prague before we headed back to my room. If anything I'd say I should've booked 6 hours just to make everything go smoother and because being a beginner you might find some surprises. I had thought 4 hours would be plenty, but between the dinner conversation, the tour, and the bedroom lessons, it really did fly by.