FKK Dietzenbach

[Lanthano]

Did you make it there? As I suspected, take all the STD reports with grain of salt. Seems really ironic how the girls who do the best suddenly get a shit write up on the internet. The guy was full of shit. In fact the guy was the mode for the message to get out there, the starter of the BS was a girl in the house who was jealous whose name will not be revealed. Sorry, when told something in secret I keep my word. Same shit different day this goes on back home. Now same shit different day different country. Some things never change. Someone put that schmuck up to that. After two days of talks with the girls all confidential, one to two girls decided to try to kill another's biz. Bad apples in every crew, male and female. Some males are such pussies they will like a lost puppy dog do what their girls want them to. In this case, the fire has been put out.

On the down side my first trip to Dietz was in a cool summer evening and many thru the fall and winter. It is like 80 in that club. Too fucking hot. Even in MX they have mini's in the room to cool them off and in the club itself. I'll be doing Dietz only in evenings thru the fall now. Can't fuck in a pool of sweat.

But the selection is great, many to choose from, all good nice girls. Lots of Asians in the club too, met a great guy from Kyoto hung out with, showed me some of the Japanese posts on the message boards they have, the Japanese mongers are as sick of the upselling and attitudes in the Big 5 as well. This guy had a blast. I notice since my first trip (0 Asians) there are now 2-3 per day and growing. I think men around the world are picking up on the bullshit from the ' Sharky' girls throughout the area. His number one complaint was not the girls in ' Sharks' upselling but the minute one is rejected another comes over to harass him. They get sick of it. He told me one of them (his friend) complained to this guy who owns or manages Oase that he can not get a moment's peace and was going to tell his fellow countrymen on both Japanese and Chinese boards to avoid Oase.

I'll be meeting that man from Osaka today at Sharks I think and in the evening we will go to Dietz if the Sharks misbehave. Enough of this shit. Our way or the highway. Fight fire with fire. Sock them in the gut, right in the pocketbooks. They want to play games than I will get a massage eat well and than me and the man from Osaka will go blow our loads in Gypsies. I will give the Sharks my offers, they can accept nut any counter offers will be met with ' Fuck you' and I move on. My order will be what is called in the markets ' A fill or kill' which means if not accepted order dead. Get lost your greedy XXXX, on to the next. If they accept my offer and ask me for a tip they are off the list next time. Time to put the foot down. If ten girls tell me to hit the road great, I will. A numbers game, someone will accept. And of course I have a few 50 and 100 regs can hop on but I want variety today. Maybe.

This man was very nice and I think the fact I saw 0-1 Asians in Dietz last summer and now 2-4 a day speaks wonders to the poor attitudes and behavior of the greedy cunts in other clubs. Japan is not on my list (yet) but if I go he has some underground clubs (AO) he knows of but he told me he wanted to AO white girls.

Interesting post. It backs up what I've seen: Oase is full of Asian hunters, overpaying guests and upselling (heard more shit about it last night). Sharks as well, but to a much lesser extent for now. It's ironic because on balance, Oase is much harder to get to and they can't afford this. I think they think they can due to the name, and the overproportional regulars from Italy that go there nomatter what.

Furthermore, yes, the Japanese are actually the most similar to us in terms of mongering. I noticed this in the Phillipines and Thailand. They've been coming for quite a while, hate the way the newly rich other Asians (Koreans and Chinese) ruin the market.

In terms of your approach to the upselling, I'm with you. Just say no.

[Kosher Kowboy]

I apologize for derailing the fun with my question, fellas. Thank you for all of your perspectives.

Hopefully, someone will jump in with a report, and we'll get back on track. Perhaps it will even be mine.

MCP.

Did you make it there? As I suspected, take all the STD reports with grain of salt. Seems really ironic how the girls who do the best suddenly get a shit write up on the internet. The guy was full of shit. In fact the guy was the mode for the message to get out there, the starter of the BS was a girl in the house who was jealous whose name will not be revealed. Sorry, when told something in secret I keep my word. Same shit different day this goes on back home. Now same shit different day different country. Some things never change. Someone put that schmuck up to that. After two days of talks with the girls all confidential, one to two girls decided to try to kill another's biz. Bad apples in every crew, male and female. Some males are such pussies they will like a lost puppy dog do what their girls want them to. In this case, the fire has been put out.

On the down side my first trip to Dietz was in a cool summer evening and many thru the fall and winter. It is like 80 in that club. Too fucking hot. Even in MX they have mini's in the room to cool them off and in the club itself. I'll be doing Dietz only in evenings thru the fall now. Can't fuck in a pool of sweat.

But the selection is great, many to choose from, all good nice girls. Lots of Asians in the club too, met a great guy from Kyoto hung out with, showed me some of the Japanese posts on the message boards they have, the Japanese mongers are as sick of the upselling and attitudes in the Big 5 as well. This guy had a blast. I notice since my first trip (0 Asians) there are now 2-3 per day and growing. I think men around the world are picking up on the bullshit from the ' Sharky' girls throughout the area. His number one complaint was not the girls in ' Sharks' upselling but the minute one is rejected another comes over to harass him. They get sick of it. He told me one of them (his friend) complained to this guy who owns or manages Oase that he can not get a moment's peace and was going to tell his fellow countrymen on both Japanese and Chinese boards to avoid Oase.

I'll be meeting that man from Osaka today at Sharks I think and in the evening we will go to Dietz if the Sharks misbehave. Enough of this shit. Our way or the highway. Fight fire with fire. Sock them in the gut, right in the pocketbooks. They want to play games than I will get a massage eat well and than me and the man from Osaka will go blow our loads in Gypsies. I will give the Sharks my offers, they can accept nut any counter offers will be met with ' Fuck you' and I move on. My order will be what is called in the markets ' A fill or kill' which means if not accepted order dead. Get lost your greedy XXXX, on to the next. If they accept my offer and ask me for a tip they are off the list next time. Time to put the foot down. If ten girls tell me to hit the road great, I will. A numbers game, someone will accept. And of course I have a few 50 and 100 regs can hop on but I want variety today. Maybe.

This man was very nice and I think the fact I saw 0-1 Asians in Dietz last summer and now 2-4 a day speaks wonders to the poor attitudes and behavior of the greedy cunts in other clubs. Japan is not on my list (yet) but if I go he has some underground clubs (AO) he knows of but he told me he wanted to AO white girls.

[ExpatLover]

I am sure you heard the expression "the economy is in a recession when your neighbor loses his job, and it is a depression when you lose yours".

A rip on that here will be "it is an acceptable risk if a fellow monger contacts an STD. It is a disaster if you do".

Never never fuck any girl in a club without condom, more than 500 girls fucked, believe me.

[UltraHappy]

A couple years ago, Myrrh posted a story in the AO forum that seems on point here.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...-and-Chat-Area!&p=1898589&viewfull=1#post1898589.

The moral of the story: Be careful about trying to copy the big boys.

[Member #4581]

I am sure you heard the expression "the economy is in a recession when your neighbor loses his job, and it is a depression when you lose yours".

A rip on that here will be "it is an acceptable risk if a fellow monger contacts an STD. It is a disaster if you do".

[Mr CrankyPants]

I apologize for derailing the fun with my question, fellas. Thank you for all of your perspectives.

Hopefully, someone will jump in with a report, and we'll get back on track. Perhaps it will even be mine.

MCP.

[UltraHappy]

I do not want to cause a shit storm but this detail about how bad BB is easy to solve. This is no different lets say you do not ride a motorcycle because of the risk to crash than you do not ride a motorcycle. If you are worried about ST BB do not do it. A real safe solution do not to go to an FKK and then there is nothing to worry about. Simple.

This response is posted quite frequently. It is the most useless response.

When a poster asks about the risk that might be involved in driving to work, the poster is actually seeking information on the likelihood of an accident. It is not helpful to such a person interested in acquiring more data to tell them, "Well, if you're asking, just don't drive to work. ".

I know it is tiresome for some forum users reading these sorts of repetitive questions, but the only thing more annoying than reading these sorts of repetitive questions is having to read through useless responses like, "Well, just don't drive your car then!

A person asking about driving risks clearly already knows that they can simply not drive to work. Such a person is really seeking more data about frequency of accidents involved in such activities.

[Neurosynth]

At the risk of this turning into a medical discussion, I did find a pretty good chart from the British Columbia Center for Disease Control. Because this is an issue for all of us, including the ladies, I decided to include it as a downloadable attachment. KK is correct. There is a varying amount of time between exposure and when it would show up on a test. There's also another column showing symptoms (if any) and when they likely would appear. So, there is certainly a risk, although somewhat reduced, because of the medical checks and testing required in Germany. I would never do AO in the US with someone outside of a monogamous relationship. I think another good benchmark is that porn actors and actresses have to have a test within two weeks of performing bareback.

This is a recurring question, and I believe the following is the best estimate that's been posted in response. So I'll repeat it.

Yes, I'm only addressing HIV here. It is by far the most common *fatal* STD that can't be cured, but only controlled. But the principles below can be used with other diseases too if you look up the base statistics.

In that regard what seems to be often forgotten is that you have to multiply the probability of transmission with the probability of encountering an infected partner. That calculation significantly lowers the overall probability.

HIV rate among female German sex workers = 0.2% or 0.002 (20 in 10,000).

See page 14: https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/...ex-workers.pdf.

HIV transmission rate for vaginal sex, female to male = 0.04% or 0.0004 (4 in 10,000).

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

The probability of becoming infected via vaginal sex with a random sex worker in Germany.

= 0.002 * 0.0004 = 0.0000008 = 0.00008% (8 in 1,000,000).

To put that in perspective it's more likely you could flip a coin and get 20 heads in a row than contract HIV from a random sex worker in Germany.

Put another way, if you had vaginal sex every day for 20 years with a different random sex worker in Germany your probability of HIV infection would be 0.00584.

[Max #01]

I do not want to cause a shit storm but this detail about how bad BB is easy to solve. This is no different lets say you do not ride a motorcycle because of the risk to crash than you do not ride a motorcycle. If you are worried about ST BB do not do it. A real safe solution do not to go to an FKK and then there is nothing to worry about. Simple.

Full disclosure: I accept the risks when I visit Germany because of the increased medical coverage of the workers and because it's how sex between consenting adults out to be. What was missing from the Canadian chart was the likelihood of catching an STI in the first place. For any given encounter, it must be pretty low or we would all be dead by 19.

[Kosher Kowboy]

I not so long ago did multiple sessions with a girl who was reported on a forum to be infected. It turns out the information was wrong. However this same girl got infected at another time and no members of any forum knew about it (she took a "holiday". Just shows we need to take what is written on forums with a pinch of salt.

Or maybe a bucket of salt. Per somebody much more in the know one of the girls being discussed is collecting crumpled up greasy 20' 10 and 5's as we speak. Name probably (possibly) tossed out their erroneously in the first place. As you have noted sex with many strangers is not a fairy tale. Always good to know the dangers of this game. Always good to enjoy the pleasures of this game. But only we as individuals can do the old risk / reward thing in our minds.

I will ring the buzzer in another week or two with an unlimited supply of my Invisible Condoms ready to see my favorite Gypsies and some new ones I see working.

[Optimist]

Thanks for your honesty! Your voice has been the most prolific in this forum, so your expertise and opinions hold weight with me.

This is good information, and at just the right time. As I will be there in just 3 days, I may not have, as you say, enough time to wait for the storm to pass. In those cases, it's probably best advised to get myself a raincoat.

Keep us all updated if you hear any more. Thanks and cheers.

MCP.

To elaborate a bit on KK's helpful advice. I do not think that forum reports of infection can be much use (except to remind us of general risks). Firstly they are anecdotal (I know of one guy who made up reports of getting HIV from an apartment girl).Secondly there is no info on which girls might be the source of infection. Thirdly, a girl could be infected by a guy anytime just before you go to a room with her and not show up as infected. Fourthly a girl known to be infected will not be working.Fifth, you might or might not be susceptible to that particular strain of infection.

I not so long ago did multiple sessions with a girl who was reported on a forum to be infected. It turns out the information was wrong. However this same girl got infected at another time and no members of any forum knew about it (she took a "holiday". Just shows we need to take what is written on forums with a pinch of salt.

Whatever you do, enjoy.

If you are worried then ask the girl (in a diplomatic sensitive way!) I have often been surprised how much information they will share in order to reassure a customer.

[Optimist]

There are always waves of infections, mainly gonorrhea. By the time it is noticed by customers, the affected girls will often have been treated, and cured. If one gets to know the girls well they will tell you how often they get an infection (or not as the case may be). The antibiotic resistant strain is not spread yet in Europe, except by customers returning from S E Asia. If one rides without a helmet then one is responsible for one's own risks.

In other threads there have been statistical discussions on risk. All well and good, but I know guys who have got an infection every time they dispensed with condom use. Others never seem to catch anything. So like with all statistics, population wide risk assessment tells you almost nothing about individual personal risk.

Having sex with many promiscuous strangers is not a fairy tale world. Reality can be hard, so it is as well to see reality clearly and not be guided by one's fantasies of this club as some magical place.If it suits you then great but there are dangerous thorns amongst the roses.

[Optimist]

Strikes fun. As you imply, there is one way to reduce the risk to almost zero, and that is to avoid any direct contact with bodily fluids. I am worried about catching pneumonia or an antibiotic resistant throat infection

[Optimist]

The Men's locker room & the shower room at the Dietz had bottles of disinfectant for the slippers. I know that for a fact because I picked them up when I was looking for some deodorant to use. Lucky I read the label before trying to spray it under my arms!

Sometimes they are not there.I guess if you had used it your armpits would have been infection free the whole day long

[Kosher Kowboy]

Thanks for your honesty! Your voice has been the most prolific in this forum, so your expertise and opinions hold weight with me.

This is good information, and at just the right time. As I will be there in just 3 days, I may not have, as you say, enough time to wait for the storm to pass. In those cases, it's probably best advised to get myself a raincoat.

Keep us all updated if you hear any more. Thanks and cheers.

MCP.

I always take what I read on the net with a grain of salt sometimes more so who knows the reliability of what I read, or if that person is talking reality or just some schmuck who is out to trash a name. One just never knows. There is always a risk at this joint, a raincoat is always safer than no raincoat but at the same time I personally will place more weight on the fact if a girl is on the floor she has been cleared by medical to work which trumps some guy on the net who has only ' he said or she said' or ' rumors' etc to work off. Maybe something passed thru the house maybe it didn't but we do know in the past it has happened but as to these guys posting they lack the most important item that being the test results themselves of the girl (s) they speak of.

The doctor and the club have those. IMO best to go off the LU, if one is working ' business as usual' but it is good to know guys are at least sharing what they hear whether it be fact, fiction, rumor etc. And the readers can judge for themselves. Reminders (true or not) of the risks out there can never hurt.

I am still going, I want to play with my Gypsies