East China - Shanghai

[Tasss]

This report will be most helpful for people with fair Chinese skills although some English-only speakers may also be able to use of what's here. This past trip to SH is not really for mongering as SH isn't really a terribly good destination for that, but I had a few days and nights where I could head out and explore. I will not be talking about Manhattan and Judy's here. Overall the government is currently trying to suppress the P4P scene for Chinese locals. It's still there but just less overt and more expensive.

I would recommend downloading some Chinese apps on your smartphone before going. Maybe not surprisingly, a VPN is not needed since the options I'm talking about are all available to local Chinese.

1. WeChat. Most Chinese guys should already have this. This is for communicating with apartment girls and for those with weaker Chinese, like me, it has an English interface.

2. QQ. Don't get the international version, which hasn't been updated for several years. The regular QQ app doesn't have an English interface so it could be troublesome to navigate if your Chinese is basic or non-existent. Unfortunately most apartment girls will only have QQ and not WeChat.

3. Baidu Map. Google Maps won't work in China. Helps to navigate to apartment girls.

4. Didi Dache. Uber for China. Accepts international credit cards which is awesome. Most Chinese apps only takes Alipay / WeChat pay which you need a Chinese bank account for. Immensely helpful when a taxi could not be hailed and usually cheaper. Unlike taxis which increase their fares at night, Didi fares go down late night. I recommend you set this up in your home country because sometimes it'll take you to your CC's card verification page, which could do an SMS verification, which in turn you don't have access to your home phone number in China. Didi has an English interface. Not sure how good it is, but it's there. There's a competing app called Dida which seems to be cheaper, but I didn't use it.

You need to buy mobile data. Speaking from a US perspective, only a few phones here have TDD-LTE. If yours does, then you can go with China Mobile. Most unlocked AT&T and TMobile phones should be able to use China Unicom's 3 G (HSPA+) which is good enough for things like WeChat and QQ. The China Mobile plan I bought is just 50 RMB with 600 MB of data and some talk / text, which I didn't use much. The 600 MB plan deducts about 17 RMB from the 50 RMB account balance so you use the rest for talk / text and you can talk to an operator to get that added.

The Chinese (Shanghai specific) p4 p forums are easy to find for those with any fair amount of Chinese skills and I'm not going to list them here since the addresses will probably be edited out by mods. You'll need to use these to find the ads I'll talk about below.

The saunas have moved out of dedicated buildings and operating out of random hotels. They're also quite expensive, usually their prices start near US K-girl prices, somewhere around 1200 RMB and up to 2000 and sometimes 3000. I didn't see any value in these saunas personally as there are K-girls in my city and the K-girls are usually better looking and more friendly than the Chinese sauna girls. But for those who aren't in my situation, it's an option. Be aware that some saunas will advertise cheaper girls for 900 RMB or whatever, but when you get there, they aren't available or there's only 1 or 2. It's a bait and switch. Saunas ads are usually at the top of the Chinese P4P forums.

These Chinese forums will also have a section where apartment girls advertise. They also have reviews, but on some sites the contact info for the girl in the review is withheld unless you buy or earn tokens from that website. I'd rather just use the websites where the review is completely free or not rely on the reviews at all. I never used QQ / Wechat girls before until now because the relative value of the saunas have dropped. The apartment girl pics will almost always be heavily Photoshopped so don't be surprised you get a 6 instead of an 8. The QQ number or WeChat ID posted is usually monitored and answered by an operator. You don't get to the real girl's contact info until you arrive near the apartment and the operator gives you her number. I thought earlier the girls were answering QQ messages themselves, until my second apartment girl informed me otherwise. You can negotiate specific services with the girl herself like BBFS, which most girls won't do. Normal prices go from 400 to 600 per pop and there are higher priced ones as well. There are 2 pop and LT (baoye or BY) options which I didn't try.

My first appointment was priced at 600. The girl was from Guangxi, nice boobs but her face was maybe a 5 whereas her ad photos were maybe an 8. Good attitude but no chemistry between us, so she was pretty mechanical. I think that's one thing I miss from the sauna is that a lineup allows for you to make eye contact with the girl, and you can pick one that meshes well with you. Massage + BBBJ + CFS. The apartment didn't have a hot shower, and so I had to take a cold shower before the session.

Second appointment was priced at 400. Shandong girl with a slim figure and a 5.5 to 6 face. We had good chemistry going and she was horny as hell so I asked her for BBFS. She said she'd do it for 1000, which I couldn't go down further from. We both really enjoyed the session, and she said it felt great to do it BB after a long time going all covered. I came on her back as she requested. Her shower was working properly but her towels were wet and disgusting. So be aware that sometimes the apartment facilities are not going to be great. The girl also made me wait for 45 minutes. This is because the operator doesn't always know the girl's schedule that well, so I'd imagine it'd be awkward for a white guy to get into a similar situation. He has to stand outside the building for 30+ min with the local residents and security guys walking by all the time wondering why the hell he's here.

The BBS situation is currently not good. The QQ girls are on average a big upgrade from the BBS girls in terms of service, so while you save 200 RMB ($30 US), ask yourself if it's worth getting minimal services vs being able to take your time. Before what I could do is to peek in a BBS and make eye contact with the girl, then pick the more enthusiastic ones. Now the girls work in secret so you can't preview them as easily. I only tried one this trip. There used to be a well known set of BBS shops called Xinsandui (literally, new three team). I read how that place has adapted to the new environment in the Chinese forums, and I got curious, so I decided to check it out. My experience was exactly the same as the Chinese forum described. Once you go out of the Line 13 Fengzhuang subway station, you walk one block and there's a couple of old guys on motorcycles who spot you. They pretty much know what you're looking for. They come up to me and say "it's not here anymore" and I tell him "OK take me there". I was taken to a shop with locked glass doors. The place had zero lighting so as to make it look like it was closed. I was taken to a second place inside an apartment complex where 5 girls were sitting around looking bored. I picked one but the service was non-existent and couldn't even get a hard on. Price is 200 RMB and 10 RMB for the motorcycle guy. Personally BBSs were something I enjoyed in the past, but no longer, so I can't recommend it. But if you like cheap no frills sex, the Chinese forums will direct you to some places closer to where you live.

Another ISG member told me about dance halls in Suzhou, but no time to go to Suzhou this trip.

Other things you can try are WeChat people nearby, Momo and Tantan. I was hoping there may be P4P girls there, but it doesn't seem like there is. Good for flirting with a girl and non-sexual meetings if that's your thing.

[Fugazi99]

Sorry, was a bit in ahurry yesterday, more detailed.

Can really recommend "ShangHai Nights" which is in the middle of all those bars. Have also been at "Cats" "New York" and "Old Manhattan" but this place was the one I felt treated the best. Also they have the most private backroom.

Just say Hello, to FEI, Stormy and Chun Chun from Mike from Germany. If you want to be save just tell them that you want be be warned once you reached 1000/2000/3000/4000 etc, that's what I always do.

Have fun, I will back there finally in August.

I have numerous times been at "Shanghai Nights" and never been ripped off. Just say Fei a warm Hello.

[Fugazi99]

I have numerous times been at "Shanghai Nights" and never been ripped off. Just say Fei a warm Hello.

OK, thanks. Will check them out. And, yeah I know its easy to get ripped off, but if you just don't spend a lot of money on the first random girl that will ask you for it, but rather eat some bar snacks, drink, watch some stupid TV, play pool and possibly meet a hot girl you like, and she speaks English, then its like. OK what the heck, I spend 200 on her and get some nice GFE in the bar and possibly she will text me afterwards and like to meet again. I have only payed for lady-drinks when I met someone I connected with (good looking, English speaking, sense of humor) and when going back to the same place again I noticed the other girls stay off my ass cause they know I already connected with. Pim, loom, or whatever her name is, if she is not in the bar they will text her and she will show up in 15 minutes If there is no one I like or if the girls are greedy boring bitches just playing with their phones I just finish the beer and move on to the next place.

The spot was more like a general place with a band and a lot of regular girls, no lady-drinks or shit. Still plenty of opportunities for bringing home some of the girls that were there. The Spot was on the way from Jing An temple station to Judys and Manhattans, just popped in since it looked fun.

[Andersson25]

Huashan Lu, just across Yan'an Lu from Jing'An. There's a row of bars: Country road, Crossroads, New York, Hilda. I've never been but they are generally considered as perfect places to get drunk and ripped off.

Don't know about The Spot.

OK, thanks. Will check them out. And, yeah I know its easy to get ripped off, but if you just don't spend a lot of money on the first random girl that will ask you for it, but rather eat some bar snacks, drink, watch some stupid TV, play pool and possibly meet a hot girl you like, and she speaks English, then its like. OK what the heck, I spend 200 on her and get some nice GFE in the bar and possibly she will text me afterwards and like to meet again. I have only payed for lady-drinks when I met someone I connected with (good looking, English speaking, sense of humor) and when going back to the same place again I noticed the other girls stay off my ass cause they know I already connected with. Pim, loom, or whatever her name is, if she is not in the bar they will text her and she will show up in 15 minutes If there is no one I like or if the girls are greedy boring bitches just playing with their phones I just finish the beer and move on to the next place.

The spot was more like a general place with a band and a lot of regular girls, no lady-drinks or shit. Still plenty of opportunities for bringing home some of the girls that were there. The Spot was on the way from Jing An temple station to Judys and Manhattans, just popped in since it looked fun.

[Amnesia]

Several old saunas have reopened, most MPs as well and most of these MPs provide HJ and BJ. Several up to FS..

Which one do you recommend? Could you post the name (and address maybe)?

[The Guy]

You do realise the average chinese customer will never go to places like Manhattan or Judy and yet there are many many of them still enjoying their hobby in Shanghai.

Several old saunas have reopened, most MPs as well and most of these MPs provide HJ and BJ. Several up to FS.

Lots of KTV are still up too.

The dry season which happened from August 15 to November is clearly over for some time now. Places just act low profile, many have had to close but many are still around.

Saunas have reopened, but prices still higher than pre-crackdown. Maybe with time and competition, they will come down.

[Dex Xie]

You do realise the average chinese customer will never go to places like Manhattan or Judy and yet there are many many of them still enjoying their hobby in Shanghai.

Several old saunas have reopened, most MPs as well and most of these MPs provide HJ and BJ. Several up to FS.

Lots of KTV are still up too.

The dry season which happened from August 15 to November is clearly over for some time now. Places just act low profile, many have had to close but many are still around.

I reckon most local guys use QQ girls. Tazman gave me a site (don't bother if you aren't Asian looking with passable Chinese skills) that not only freely advertises FS, but also has some rather explicit reviews. Those girls start at 400 per pop for FS. I tried a 400 p girl (super skinny low-mid 20s, 5'2/90 lbs / A / okay face / rushed service) and a 600 p girl (she was rather hot, mid-late 20's, 5'4/110 lbs / C / pretty face / less rushed service). Basically just 1 pop and done (2 pops if you pay extra).

But as I mentioned above, they usually operate out of residential zones. So if you aren't Asian looking, you will stand out look a sore thumb. All the directions they give you are pictures (of Chinese characters), probably to evade any potential Chinese gov crackdown or censorship. Much easier to parse characters than to parse pictures. So even a handy translator won't help. I somewhat read Chinese and I have difficulty finding the places. Fortunately, I am Chinese so I can wander and loiter around like an idiot without drawing attention.

[Sinofaguo]

To the other guy asking about sauna etc this has been super cracked down and only shadier places left or maybe just HJ. I would just stick to Manhattan personally.

You do realise the average chinese customer will never go to places like Manhattan or Judy and yet there are many many of them still enjoying their hobby in Shanghai.

Several old saunas have reopened, most MPs as well and most of these MPs provide HJ and BJ. Several up to FS.

Lots of KTV are still up too.

The dry season which happened from August 15 to November is clearly over for some time now. Places just act low profile, many have had to close but many are still around.

[ShanghaiLander]

Someone mentioned a street with girl-bars (semi-pros that ask you to buy drinks for some company in the bar) but I can not find the post, anyone knows where to find these kind of bars in Jing An?

Huashan Lu, just across Yan'an Lu from Jing'An. There's a row of bars: Country road, Crossroads, New York, Hilda. I've never been but they are generally considered as perfect places to get drunk and ripped off.

Don't know about The Spot.

[JginSH]

Gents,

The Chinese language form 52 Longfeng seems to have been "harmonized". Anyone have any insights as to an alternate URL?

[Steve 9696]

I hope to much haven't change since my last trip to SH. Did some regular research on this forum and decided to go for Jing An and some Manhattan-fun as a base-plan. Planning to stay at Paramount, should be guest friendly. Head off to blind pig for food and drinks, move on to Manhattan for chatting and partying with the girls and hopefully tip a nice lady 1000 to come back to Paramount for 1-2 hours. Still OK price for a ST? I have no issue with going out alone, used to it. Was also thinking about going to The Spot, is it still open? I got a feeling there was a lot of semi-pros there. Someone mentioned a street with girl-bars (semi-pros that ask you to buy drinks for some company in the bar) but I can not find the post, anyone knows where to find these kind of bars in Jing An? Or any other advice on how to meet English speaking semi-pros?

Manhattan going asking price is 1500ST I believe. You can surely get it down a bit if you bother or with the right girl. Judys girls are a bit less hot IMO and 1000-1200 might be easier there. I just love Manhattan and don't go often and just pay asking price. I converted to LT in room with one girl last visit.

To the other guy asking about sauna etc this has been super cracked down and only shadier places left or maybe just HJ. I would just stick to Manhattan personally.

[Paal8]

I must be blind. I went back and still couldn't find it. I did see a couple of doors with no signs. Maybe your place opens late and just throws a sign outside the door when It's open. I went there in the afternoon, as I cannot monger at night. Wish you were a paid member on here so I could PM you. I feel a little bad cluttering up the board.

This place is nog easy to spot. But can't miss it if you check out the small row of shops on FaHuaZhen between Neil's massage and the crossing with ZhongDeLu. Went there on Sunday night around 7:30 pm and lights were out. No one visible from the outside but after a discreet knock on the glass door a guy came out and opened the door. 279 and 379 Options, I felt like having sex so went for 379. Not a small place. Maybe 10 rooms with reasonable decoration. One could easily mistake this for a legit place. Taken upstairs by a 30+ girl (body 8, face 6/7, not bad at all) who. After a shower and half assed massage. Said just he was included. Only for an extra 200 she would get naked. No BJ and no sex. No sex in MP's anywhere in Shanghai, she said. Yeah right!

And that from a girl dressed like she works on a porn set. Having read the report from SnrMan (thanks!) I was solidly expecting sex to be available.

Anyhow, got her naked and some fingering turned into DATY, after which she seemed happy to perform a covered BJ. She got pretty turned on and after a while agreed to having sex for 500, "if I wouldn't stick it in all the way". Of course not, dear.

After a fairly passionate fuck ended I was empty and satisfied but still a bit confused about what this place now was really.

379 plus 500 is not exactly a steal for an MP fuck but wasn't unreasonable for the experience. But 379+200 for a naked HJ isn't really a very competitive proposition in Shanghai, and with such a hush-hush entrance I wonder what traffic they get?

No other customers (all room doors open) but I saw another nice looking girl on the way down. Wouldn't mind checking her out on the next visit.

P.

[Amnesia]

I'll be in Shanghai for a short business trip.

Reading the forums so far, I understand most people go to Manhattan. Understand it's a freelancer bar to pick up a girl and take to your hotel.

Apart from Manhattan, are there any other recommended spots? Especially looking for sauna- or massage- or brothel-like places.

[Andersson25]

I hope to much haven't change since my last trip to SH. Did some regular research on this forum and decided to go for Jing An and some Manhattan-fun as a base-plan. Planning to stay at Paramount, should be guest friendly. Head off to blind pig for food and drinks, move on to Manhattan for chatting and partying with the girls and hopefully tip a nice lady 1000 to come back to Paramount for 1-2 hours. Still OK price for a ST? I have no issue with going out alone, used to it. Was also thinking about going to The Spot, is it still open? I got a feeling there was a lot of semi-pros there. Someone mentioned a street with girl-bars (semi-pros that ask you to buy drinks for some company in the bar) but I can not find the post, anyone knows where to find these kind of bars in Jing An? Or any other advice on how to meet English speaking semi-pros?

[Aurangzeb]

So I was wandering around and saw another foot massage place at the south west corner of Yingang E Lu and Huaxu Highway.

An older (30 ish) lady was behind the counter. The girls (all late 20's, early 30's) were dressed in blue miniskirts and were all wearing heels. My spidey-sense began to tingle!

Sure enough, CNY188 gives you a (very good, better than anything I've recently got at Spring) full-body oil massage, and a decent he, no tips asked. The veggie massage is CNY160.