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[Mr Ho]

Ehat's your legacy when you're dead?

Yes, big part of it.

I thought about it deeply, then I have done travelling since young age, ate fine food all over the world, experiencing different cultures, I got all material need that I want like house, watch, clothes etc etc. And only thing that make me happy and satisfied is fucking most beautiful girls from around the globe.

I mean when I look back many places and cultures are great and I still do enjoy it, but I get enough of it as I have done it so many times, but when it comes to fucking beautiful young girls, I never get bored or get enough of it because it is different each time for me.

In order to maximize my memory while I am here alive, I occasionally look back time to reflect what I like doing and when I am fucking young stunner level girls, I am happiest the most and it is so memorable to me especially when I find new beautiful stunner that are fresh and clean, so I don't know legacy is the right word as I do not have ego issue, but it is what I want to invest big time of my life to as central core of fun.

Other things like food I eat 3 gourmet meal every day as I live in Japan and travelling I still do but I really did travel around world as I was in boarding school since age 12, so I like fucking beautiful girls the most in life, I never get bored with it.

The feeling I feel when I see new young stunner beauty is divine, and after seducing her, she is in my memory to cherish.

As for marriage etc. I do not believe in it, it only good for first x amount of years, that x can be single digit or double digit, but since I am the guy who mostly see women as my sexual desire, I prefer to fuck young and beautiful girls and like to change often, so marrying based on infatuation called love and fucking old girls who may be beauty to you, but in reality she is not is merely junk bond to me with extreme propaganda and deception called marriage.

[McAdonis]

Jnpr, I work in a male-dominated "linear thinking" field. But I also manage teams from disparate cultures. To be successful managing people, I need to be able to judge character. It's useful to see patterns and try to predict future behaviors. Ultimately, this requires me to use my "gut instinct" and to recall on past experiences managing others. If I am screening a candidate and trying to assess if their personality and goals are compatible for my team, I don't have the luxury of waiting for "evidence" to manifest itself. If I misjudge the candidate's character or miss "red flags" in their history, and they turn out to be a drama queen who needs to be let go, money is lost, progress is stalled, and opportunities are missed.

Takedown mentioned that the pick-up artist (PUA) literature uses the same principles he learned in Psycho-pathology. That isn't a surprise. Sales psychology same shit. The underlying idea is to develop a sixth sense during a social interaction. I do believe the principles and psychology behind PUA are sound. But understanding principles, doesn't make one skilled at something. For the most part I know the principles behind public speaking, but I can't say I am good speaker. I don't have a natural aptitude for it, nor do I have thousands and thousands of repetitions under my belt. I'the say the same for majority of PUA community, ninety percent of which are geeks on the internet like us who argue with one another over semantics.

Anyway, I went down a rabbit hole and watched another video by that Tyler Durden guy. Jnpr30, you probably won't watch, but I'd encourage you too. He tries to study women, understand women, and test his understanding by analyzing hidden camera footage of himself speaking with a woman. It probably has very little applicability to women in FKK, but it is entertaining nevertheless. He's a captivating, dynamic speaker with Zach Galifianakis-style humor. In another life, he could have probably done improv or stand-up. Interested to hear Takedown's take as well. Maybe you guys think it is scripted and staged. Probably could skip the first 5 minutes or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzmD8mZZKfc

[Takedown]

Alpha / Beta / PUA / blah, blah, blah. All this talk in the context of FKK land is downright silly.

If you perceive that there is a problem,

I'm with you on this one!

It's a water cooler discussion in the Lounge and Chat section. I'm not sure why one feels the need to dictate the conversation in a thread dedicated to chit chat and bullshitting. More objective and factual discussions can be had in specific club, General info, and FAQ threads.

There is no problem. As previously stated, it's probably of negligible effect in your mongering experience. The point is the discussion of a method of getting better service freely given by the WG without paying extra.

As a quant and numbers guy

I don't know that many girls, the average girl, or most girls think that all mongers, or the average monger, or many mongers are "losers". Did I miss this survey somewhere, or is this "common wisdom" available only to the self declared alpha males?

Furthermore, if you are an attractive, healthy, 21 year old girl and have to suck and fuck a whole bunch of older fat, unattractive, hairy guys, well that does make those girls "losers" in my book.

As such, why would any monger who considers himself not to be a loser care that a bunch of loser girls think that he is a loser? Winners care about what other winners think of them; a winner does not care that he is not a winner in the opinion of losers.

As a quant and numbers guy myself, I see the value of un-quantifiable and even illogical aspects of male-female interactions.

As for WG's thinking that average mongers are "losers," well it's an opinion much like your own that the girls are "losers" themselves.

As for being a "self declared" alpha male, well I think my posts have clearly stated many times that I merely value the ability to display attributes of dominance (alpha-ness) and submissiveness (beta-ness) and to use it to your advantage. No self declaration. Not one, not even in the discussion months ago.

Why care what the girls think? The crux of the argument is the discussion of one way to get the best service out of a WG, preferably without paying for premium service. Not just good service, but preferential service. If your opinion is that a favorable opinion from the girl does not result in better services rendered, then this discussion will not register with you.

[Der Auslander]

Alpha / Beta / PUA / blah, blah, blah. All this talk in the context of FKK land is downright silly.

If you perceive that there is a problem, well then there is of course a problem!

And then you have to solve the problem. In order to solve the problem you have to analyse the problem. In order to analyse the problem you have to study the problem. In order to study the problem you have to discuss the problem.

You're problem UltraHappy is that you don't see a problem. Then there is no problem! No solving, no analysis, no study, no discussion.

Life is simple.

Life can be as simple or difficult as you make it to be!

I'm with you on this one!

[UltraHappy]

Alpha / Beta / PUA / blah, blah, blah. All this talk in the context of FKK land is downright silly.

What is relevant in FKK land is whether you are getting good service in the room or not.

If you are not getting good service in the room, you are doing something wrong.

If you are getting good service in the room, then enjoy.

It's quite simple really. No need for all these pseudo-psychological analyses.

Then again, just my personal opinion, if you enjoy supposedly somehow divining the secrets of the feminine mind in FKK land, then please carry on, though from my limited observations, the female mind in FKK land appears to be a lot more straightforward than all of this psychoanalysis makes it out to be.

[Smoke Light]

Hey Guys,

In about 6 weeks, I am coming back to Germany after couple of years and notice that few things have changed. The FKK clubs no longer provide attendance info or info about the girls on their site (atleast babylon and samya used to). They also don't specify the fee to the girls anymore (used to say it is between the client and the girl earlier as well, but would have some indication on the price).

Been to most (except YinYang, Bernds and few more). My favorites was Babylon (great GFE / DFK), Samya (good lineup of petite girls and good music / dancing at night) and Living room (decent combination of the 2).

I am looking for petite girls that offer GFE (DFK). What clubs would you suggest in the NRW area?

Also, the price used to be 50 Euros for 30 minutes. Is that still the same in the NRW clubs or does it vary by girl and what we negotiate individually? For example, I am reading that at Oase the girls upsell!

Appreciate your input in advance.

RaviGoel,

I haven't been to Babylon for 2 years. Maybe will try in August. Regarding LR and Samya, I'd say go for it. NRW is very good. I haven't seen many reports of particular tutes lately, I try to answer by example of a brief summary of my late May / early June 2018 trip to NRW.

LR.

Due to lack of alcohol license at the moment, LR attendance is down, as been reported in LR forum by many colleagues. Discounted 50 euro entry. I only had a chance to be there a couple of times between 17:00 and 21:00 o'clock. No dancing, no party, only girls hanging around waiting to be picked up. Extremely friendly attitude from both WGs and staff. LR girls rotate often nowadays, but overall LR standard and quality stays really good.

Nelly / Nellie / LR.

Nellie 20 yr Azerbaijanian-Turkish girl. Tattoos on upper arm and the right side of the body. Some piercing on face and belly button. Often works from 17:00-18:00 o'clock to 4 in the morning. We only exchanged kisses and hugs in public areas. She is a top performer and is constantly busy. I have to wait for her till next time I visit.

Sonya / LR.

22 yr old, standard room, very satisfying session. I would call it LR standard. Wish all my 50 euro sessions were like this with Sonya.

Mickey / LR.

At first, I did not pay much attention to a girl at the bar wearing secretary glasses. Suddenly, she got bored, got up and put a strip show on the floor in front of some men, showing adorable be / see tits, sweet ass and pussy. It was a beautiful view. Mickey is 26 yr old, her secretary glasses are real glasses (I verified.) She works part time at LR. Really wild girl, claims she has done sex on autobahns, truck rest stops and public toilets. By her performance in the room, I tend to believe her story. She also does anal, but only in her private life. Two pops in one hour, 2nd pop with some extras involved.

Samya.

I made a few visits and after 4 in a row again got a free 4+1 pass, so one day didn't have to pay 50 entry. Club attendance was down due to Ramadan, however it's ending this week. Less party atmosphere, but it all comes back this weekend at Ramadan ending. If I was in Germany I would go to Samya just to see this change.

Carla / Samya.

She is my Samya favorite, my girlfriend sex bliss. A very classy lady in her 20's, with even younger looks. Carla does Samya part time, usually works late Friday or Saturday, sometimes all day Sunday, alternating on / off weekdays. Small bird tattoo on the back of her right calf. Pierced belly button. Sexy hot petite spoiled naughty woman. Fantastic blowjob. After three or four rooms with her she engaged in some serious deep throat efforts, with ton of spitting and desperate tears in her eyes. So goes classy lady with trashy secrets. I loved it and will repeat again. Call me weird, but DATY with her tastes like candy. Absolutely sweet. She will have orgasm receiving oral, but only when she wants. Occasionally she would also want a vaginal orgasm, often in one of her late rooms, like 2 or 3 in the morning. I fucked her in all positions and her shoes and stockings. She is narcissistically fond of mirrors, I recommend taking her to a room with plenty of mirrors for extra fun. She will look at herself while you fuck her tight little pussy. This is what I dream about when I am back home. I absolutely must see Carla again on my next trip in August. She is my addiction.

Danny / Samya.

33 yo Hungarian. Great girl, amazing sensitivity in DATY. Excellent BJ skills. Condom was too small, I could not finish. She would not allow my own condom because of her latex sensitivity. My legs were also too tired. So we went for an extra service, fully satisfying.

Roxy / Samya.

Late 20's. In the room Roxy's efforts led her to her own orgasm in doggy. Nice view to observe. I stayed hard but couldn't finish in rubber because of prior multiple sessions with my darling Carla.

Renata / Samya.

Sweetheart Renata is in her 20's. We know each other well. She has her own nickname for me, which is very sweet. Wonderful fuck in all positions, but she got a bit uncomfortable in deep doggy. I pulled out and finished in her hand, looking at Renata's legs spread wide with exposed pussy and ass. Porno elements included.

I came home last week overfucked and completely satisfied.

[Member #4581]

I don't think the point of the conversation is to determine who are winners and losers. The point is to understand the interaction between monger and WG and how to frame it to your advantage. It matters less what one's status is in real life. In this case, the perceived and subconscious perception is what determines how well a monger is received by the WG.

As a quant and numbers based guy with very linear thinking and who never took a psych class in life, I usually ignore all those theories. That said, when someone makes a random claim that "average WG thinks the average monger is a loser" and so on, to me that is a very slippery slope. First, the person making such claims has exactly zero evidence for his claims. Secondly, if such a claim is used as the starting hypothesis to build further theories and make other wild claims, all I can say is that it is a house built on ether as a foundation.

[Takedown]

All logical and well but that's the problem, you're putting yourself in the girl's shoes and thinking like you, with logic. In the moment and in the early rooms, that's not always the case. The girl can lose herself if the game of attraction is played well. Not all girls, but definitely many of them in my experience. As I recall, in your experience once or twice also, correct?

Your points will prevail in the end when extending the interaction to future rooms and outside the club interactions because you give logic and facts a chance to settle in and reminding the girl that you are a paying customer.

I've had at half dozen or so WG-monger relationships that led to either outside the club meetings, charging 50 euro for multiple hour rooms, free extras, A-O, etc. All of those were possible when I pushed hard and early. Did these "relationships" eventually fail, yes. Can they be explained by the reasoning you presented? Probably. Were the benefits that I received for free or at a discounted rate early in the relationship due to attraction and suspension of logic by the girl's part? I think so.

I agree that being decisive is considered alpha, the problem is the overall context. By merely being in a brothel (and recognizable as someone who routinely has payed for sex in the past), I believe WGs would already classify us as "beta". And if one pays her, that would further entrench our position as beta. I believe most PUA consider paying to be "try-hard". You lower your value because you are trying to impress her. It comes across as admitting to her, "I know I am not a your level, so let me buy three hours of your attention". So the alpha action of being decisive, does not trump two massive beta frames. If you want to try to pull them, go to a Romanian disco party in FRA. Or see exclusively WGs that work as escorts, and not "public" FKK clubs. Because in the FKK club, she can see the staff greet you, she can see other WGs greet you, she can see other known customers greet you, so she knows that you are not an "accidental" monger that was dragged into the club by friends, and thus your value is lowered..

[McAdonis]

As for the 5 minute interaction. Yes, I think that is sufficient time to establish alpha frame. PUA guys say that 30 secs is all it takes for women to gauge if they want to sleep with you. So back to the crux of my original post way back when regarding approaching WGs, being alpha (decisive) builds attraction while being beta (analytical) does not.

I agree that being decisive is considered alpha, the problem is the overall context. By merely being in a brothel (and recognizable as someone who routinely has payed for sex in the past), I believe WGs would already classify us as "beta". And if one pays her, that would further entrench our position as beta. I believe most PUA consider paying to be "try-hard". You lower your value because you are trying to impress her. It comes across as admitting to her, "I know I am not a your level, so let me buy three hours of your attention". So the alpha action of being decisive, does not trump two massive beta frames. If you want to try to pull them, go to a Romanian disco party in FRA. Or see exclusively WGs that work as escorts, and not "public" FKK clubs. Because in the FKK club, she can see the staff greet you, she can see other WGs greet you, she can see other known customers greet you, so she knows that you are not an "accidental" monger that was dragged into the club by friends, and thus your value is lowered.

First impressions can be difficult to overcome: "Although not a hard rule, most of the time, if a PUA starts paying a stripper for any services rendered, he becomes her "customer" and full closing her without paying is no longer possible. " - http://www.pualingo.com/stripper-game/.

This PUA advises never buying lap dances. But rather, your wingman should pull her aside, and explains that he is paying for your lap dance because, he owes you a favor. http://www.pickup-artist.com/get-lai...t-strip-clubs/.

Here's a video starting at 15:36, from Tyler Durden, one of the most famous PUA, who claims to have dated an escort for seven months but never paid her. Presumably because he met them through a mutual friend or on the street: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=bNLjvzs6KVo.

[Takedown]

Ehat's your legacy when you're dead?

Well the winner is Me!

I have been fucking beautiful stunner girls since age 17 or 18 around globe began in Switzerland and ever since I began I strive to fuck many beautiful stunner girls as I can around the globe till I die. So far, I have 20 years this year as mongering experience and I hope I have other 40 more years of mongering to add to my life fucking beautiful stunner level girls.

I do the math, I am the winner and I flush my toilet on those guys LOL!

[Mr Ho]

Well the winner is Me!

I have been fucking beautiful stunner girls since age 17 or 18 around globe began in Switzerland and ever since I began I strive to fuck many beautiful stunner girls as I can around the globe till I die. So far, I have 20 years this year as mongering experience and I hope I have other 40 more years of mongering to add to my life fucking beautiful stunner level girls.

In recent years, I finally managed to able to say I fuck beautiful stunner level girls half of my age as I get 18 years old and 19 years old legal age stunner when I am lucky, this was one of my dream thing to say and finally I managed to say it.

I have been getting my anal licked since I was 18 or 19, and this year make it about 20 years experience of getting my anal licked by beautiful stunner level girls from around globe.

Some of these girls I fucked when I was younger must be middle age now or some sorry guys wife. [Deleted by Admin]

I do the math, I am the winner and I flush my toilet on those guys LOL!

[Neurosynth]

The historically real money (unless one adheres to the annunaki / gold theory) had one single purpose: to let men have sex with younger women.

Where did you study history? You should sue to get your tuition money back.

[Sosa23]

I've been several times to Sharks & Oase over the years, and am looking to expand next visits to other clubs. My preference is natural 18-20 yr old, less "professional" the better (I. E. No silicone & no tattoos is preferred). Basically looking for young, pretty, and good attitude, even if service is not up to par with older girls.

In reading through the reports, I have come to the following summary:

Mainhattan: Next best option to Sharks / Oase in Frankfurt area, but YMMV with BBBJ since law change.

Palace: 4th best option in Frankfurt area. Better to venture out to NRW or Globe.

NRW Clubs: Similar quality of girls to Frankfurt clubs, but smaller LUs. CIM is 20 Euro instead of 50. Mileage in general is better than in Frankfurt area.

Globe: Better LU and service than anywhere in Germany. Cost is more though ( 70 Euro per 30 min, and 70 euro more for CIM).

Is the above accurate? Can anyone help if I have incorrect information?

Thanks!

[Mangga]

I only recently came to know that from 2012 to 2016 the FKK Palast in Freiburg organized a Blowjob contest! But I can't find any news about after 2016, do you know if they stopped doing it?

[Takedown]

PUA community always associates "alpha" with being a leader, so presumably this means more than just brawn. Many actions and decisions of leaders, if seen from isolation, may appear as beta. But strategically there is a desired outcome. So has the WG proven herself in a 5 minute interaction to deserve a 100 EUR payout? Has the monger had the opportunity to establish his alpha frame in 5 minutes?

That's what I meant by it being beneficial to alternate between alpha persona and beta persona. It's not for the purpose of merely appearing alpha, it's for the purpose of winning. When does it serve me to appear alpha (dominant)? And when does it serve me to appear beta (submissive)? Alpha is not synonymous with winning, winning is synonymous with winning.

As for the 5 minute interaction. Yes, I think that is sufficient time to establish alpha frame. PUA guys say that 30 secs is all it takes for women to gauge if they want to sleep with you. So back to the crux of my original post way back when regarding approaching WGs, being alpha (decisive) builds attraction while being beta (analytical) does not.

From the above blog post, this PUA supposedly has many many women, so he must compartmentalize and place them in tiers from lowest to highest: One-night-stand, Fuck-Buddy, and what he terms the OLTR. I suspect this is what athletes and rappers do. We know that they frequent strip clubs, but do they give signals to the strippers that they want to OLTR her?

You're right that they classify them but yes those guys still make the girl feel like OLTR in the moment. Even in my personal experience, every girl I've one-night-stood, I still treated her like she was a LTGF. All of the guys I know who are "ladies men" have always been pretty respectful to women up until closing. The "slap them in the ass" "alphas," they're not real alphas and that shit hardly actually ever works unless you've already built up the attraction. The slap in the ass is just to remove all doubt that you want to fuck her at some point.

I am talking more about gauging how strong the oneitis and infatuation is. Let's say a girl has a garbage man as a customer and an early-retired millionaire as a customer. If they both spend about 6000 EUR on her last year, she can clearly discern which monger is making more sacrifice. It is clear which monger she can steer and manipulate more. And as you wrote, oneitis "shows lower value", especially when given prematurely.

Absolutely.