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[Pistons]

10% of (20-34 age group) a large country like Italy yields a large enough number -- in hundreds of thousands...

And yet, I never see a real Italian girl in FKKs. A few Roms who claim to be Italian, but almost zero true Italians.

It takes a LOT for a girl to sell her body -- even when they are this broke, so few of them are doing it. Perhaps some of those girls ply this trade inside Italy discretely, but none in FKKs.

Ditto Greece -- so broke for so long, and yet not enough incentive to offer sex for money.

So, guys here should be thankful that Romanian girls, whether due to local economy or because they have less scruples about selling pussy, are so available. When the Romanians stop coming, they can convert Sharks back to the warehouse and Oase to a school.

Good point you raise, but I think it is also due to a mix of a few other things.

1: these unemployed people are probably educated, but still cannot get jobs. So they try for years to get a relevant job. But with no success.

2. Moving down on the wealth ladder takes a long time to mentally agree upon. In their minds they probably still think they are rich even if they are not. Because they are Italians. And to them, being Italian means anything but being poor.

3. Religion in Italy is very strong. Go to a less religious country, and girls would be far more open to this work.

4. Prostitution is illegal in Italy, so girls instinct due to social and legal norms is to look elsewhere for work. (In Germany, a much richer country, the rates are lower, but still you find some German girls in this work).

5. Information is scarce. Most of the potential girls in Italy probably arent as informed as romanians or german girls.

6. Many of the unemployed are perhaps less attractive. If they would be more attractive, they probably work in a shopping mall, at a hairdresser or somewhere hot girls congest at, where the employers hire based on looks.

7. My first ever P4's girl was an Italian. A student in Barcelona. Context goes a long way, and back then there were no Romanians or Bulgarians around.

[Mr Ho]

It seems you love European pussies. Or Euroasian Pussies. You don't mention Asian or Japanese pussies much. Aren't they lovely too? Just jurious.

Well. Yes and no, I love beautiful girls and I love Europeans and Eurasians hybrid girls the most.

So I basically goto EU to fuck European pussies and Eurasians I do them here back home when I find stunner level as I only like stunner level girls.

I do however, like some Asian girls who is stunner, but it is so hard to find Asian girls that are stunner level. I like about 170 cm, model body, structured beautiful small face etc at around age 18 to 24 max, so it is hard to find stunner level, but once in awhile I do find stunner level and I often get both Asian stunner or Eurasian girls bareback when I find them, which is hmmmm few times per year as I am selective.

Fortunately in FKK in Europe, it is easier to find stunners, though it is getting harder to find comparison to before.

Beside European white girls in FKK, I also like half immigrant nation and half white type of beautiful girls which are quite few in German FKK due to open immigration policy, that serves my exotic tanned girls type taste, also Romanian also can serve in that sense as some of them are tanned girls and exotic type of beauty.

My favorite is German blondes, but these are much harder to find nowadays compare to early 2010's. I wonder why this is?

[All For Bb]

Zero in FKK as I never tried, but I am beginning to think about it with few, though I still have to ask some of the girls I know at FKK discretely and I don't know if they will let me go bareback, but if I look back there are few I would have asked and some may have let me but most likely with bit of extra euro like 100 euro more.

However, I fuck nice Eurasian girls here back home and I go bareback often, so far no STD, but I know the origin of these girls and they are fresh in the industry girls like 18 if I am lucky but mostly 19 to 22 years old.

Next time in FKK, I may try to ask some of the girls I know.

It seems you love European pussies. Or Eurasian Pussies. You don't mention Asian or Japanese pussies much. Aren't they lovely too? Just curious.

[Member #4632]

I'm planning to go to Oktoberfest for opening weekend and staying for 2 days.

Since I'm going to be in Germany anyway, going to visit some FKKs.

Should I go before Oktoberfest starts (before Sept 22)? Or after it all ends? During? Does it get crowded during these 2 weeks?

[Member #4581]

Haha, UH. Do I detect a note of sarcasm? My "talent" such as it were is limited to copy / pasting a link and jotting down a few facts from that article. I would leave the heavy lifting (I. E. Evangelizing the attractions of FKK, and spreading the word about these beacons of pleasures to young Italian damsels) to far more enterprising individuals such as yourself. After all, you are already well known to many such ladies at at least one such fine establishment, while I am a virtual unknown to 99% of the ladies at even the one Club I (infrequently) attend which is Sharks.

As for the serious point you make, which is that most young ladies in Italy or Greece do not know about FKKs, fair enough. But necessity is the mother of invention as they say. A less developed, less connected nation like Romania doesn't suffer from this lack of knowledge. Perhaps the fact that several thousands of Romanian ladies are doing the evangelizing and that is what is lacking when it comes to Italy?.... A spark plug....Once a few Italian ladies come, understand what a great life it is (ahem) and go back and whisper the secret to their younger, more impressionable cousin sisters.... Soon, a trickle becomes a torrent.

Let us hope.

[UltraHappy]

Jnpr30, a clear need exists for enterprising individuals to travel to Italy and Greece to advertise the economic opportunities available in nearby countries.

Perhaps no one is actively advertising to all these young folks in Italy and Greece. I mean, 99% of Americans have absolutely no idea that FKKs even exist. It wouldn't surprise me if young ladies in Italy and Greece had no realistic information about FKKs.

Perhaps this could be your calling Jnpr30? Think about how many young people you might be able to save from their economic plight and possible starvation.

Perhaps some Italians could explain why they do not export any of their own young ladies to Germany? Surely there are some Italians here who would be willing to shed some light on the situation? Plenty of Italians in the clubs every weekend, so surely a few are browsing ISG when they're done reading their Italian equivalent versions of ISG?

[Mongerer88]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-for...d=hp_lead_pos5

This is an interesting article.

There sure are a lot of ads for escorts in Greece and Italy. I realize many are Ukrainian and Russian, but plenty of locals.

http://www.happyescorts.com/escorts

https://greece.topescortbabes.com/athens/escorts

https://italy.topescortbabes.com/escorts

I don't dispute that some of the ads are fake, but certainly not all of them are.

I am not certain why a Greek or Italian lady would travel to a German FKK to work. While some of the local guys are poor, there are likely enough wealthier locals, traveling businessmen, and tourists to provide them enough business in those two countries.

On ISG, it is very difficult to find reviews of higher-priced GFE escorts in these two countries. I would guess there are local review boards in those countries like there are in Spain and Portugal. I am guessing there are few Spanish or Portuguese ladies in FKKs, but there is a thriving sex market in those countries that certainly includes plenty of local ladies.

I would guess that the FKK places are cliquish and would guess that the Romanians / Eastern European ladies might be less than friendly to ladies of other nationalities? Or maybe Romanian and Eastern European ladies just like clubs. I get amused by inaccurate media articles stating that 50-60% or more of Spanish sex workers are Eastern European. My guess is that it is more like 5%. The writer usually indicated that he or she went to two clubs to do research and completely ignored the massive escort and small brothels in Spain, that are almost entirely local ladies and South Americans.

I may be wrong, but I suspect that a larger percentage of Greek and Italian women work in the sex industry than you think. They just don't do it in the German FKKs, or in Germany in general.

[Takedown]

I think the motivation behind this post can be perfectly explained by the previous posts made by Bfsie and Delta Indigo regarding the mentality of the "non believers".

Agree.

Even if she gives a few free sessions outside the club, hardly means it is not about money.

Say, you spend several hundred on her per week. She goes to your room and gives you some free time, some of it being sex and some just hanging out. She knows that you will come back to the club and spend several hundred more on her. Is she wrong?

It is a free session only if she not only gives you free sex, but also has *no* expectation of future money from you.

If she thinks she will obtain some more money from you in the future, the so called free sex she gave you is just a down payment for future business.

[Member #4581]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-for...d=hp_lead_pos5

This is an interesting article.

Need access to WSJ to read it.

While I can't copy / paste due to copyright protection laws, I can cite a few things from the article:

30% of Italians in the age bracket 20 to 34 are not working. Almost the same percent as Greece. These are actually an improvement from 2013, but still very high levels obviously.

10% of Italians in the same 20 to 34 age group are in "absolute poverty" which is defined as unable to pay for basic goods and services of life.

The thrust of the article is about the politics of Europe and how it is being shaped by younger generation differently in different countries (Italy vs Brexit, for exampe). I will leave it to others.

I am just struck with one thing: even with parental help, there are 10% of young Italians flat out broke. Can't pay for food or shelter, healthcare.

10% of (20-34 age group) a large country like Italy yields a large enough number -- in hundreds of thousands...

And yet, I never see a real Italian girl in FKKs. A few Roms who claim to be Italian, but almost zero true Italians.

It takes a LOT for a girl to sell her body -- even when they are this broke, so few of them are doing it. Perhaps some of those girls ply this trade inside Italy discretely, but none in FKKs.

Ditto Greece -- so broke for so long, and yet not enough incentive to offer sex for money.

So, guys here should be thankful that Romanian girls, whether due to local economy or because they have less scruples about selling pussy, are so available. When the Romanians stop coming, they can convert Sharks back to the warehouse and Oase to a school.

[Pistons]

Salaam Pistons and barak Allah-bama!

You should go to Club History in Liestal and offer to decorate it with frescoes. But if you win the contract, don't get hubristic if TTT's (Time-Travelling Tourists) keep popping up and trying to fathom your work. The poor souls are only looking for the exit. They are the ones who inspired the saying, "Those who cannot learn from Club History are doomed to repeat it".

Lessons at Club History is expensive for a reason. But many here could need a tour through the halls and rooms of the country near the high heavens. If only to find out out that there is no god when the money runs out. Only a performance artist named Eve, telling you not to eat from the forbidden fruit. The dangers that may lie ahead outside the gates of the sanctuary are ominous, and goes by the names of Western Union, Euronet and MasterCard.

[Polyamorist]

How many pussies you fucked without condom? After reading the scientific factor that catching HIV possiblility is very low in FKK clubs, I started try bb, the feelings are very different and so good on bb. Now fucking with condom to me is an unsuccessful sex experience.

Hamdulillah, All4 Bb. In many Arab massage / hammam parlors, BBFS is the norm. There are some girls who are starting to prefer condoms. But there are some who will sort of clumsily put a condom over the tip of my cock so it is bound to fall off while I am fucking. Then I might think it is ok to cum when it is not. But I never fall for that, I pull out.

[Mr Ho]

How many pussies you fucked without condom? After reading the scientific factor that catching HIV possiblility is very low in FKK clubs, I started try bb, the feelings are very different and so good on bb. Now fucking with condom to me is an unsuccessful sex experience.

Zero in FKK as I never tried, but I am beginning to think about it with few, though I still have to ask some of the girls I know at FKK discretely and I don't know if they will let me go bareback, but if I look back there are few I would have asked and some may have let me but most likely with bit of extra euro like 100 euro more.

However, I fuck nice Eurasian girls here back home and I go bareback often, so far no STD, but I know the origin of these girls and they are fresh in the industry girls like 18 if I am lucky but mostly 19 to 22 years old.

Next time in FKK, I may try to ask some of the girls I know.

[Akibono]

I agree with Delta Indigo.

First all, it is false that mongers are a bunch of losers. Just like other types of hobbyists and addicts, mongers come from every walk of life in society. Being a monger is psychological just like being a gay / lesbian and has nothing to do with his profession, social status, intelligence, education and so on.

Now let me ask every reader to ask yourself this question: Could you get your favor WG xx (as the name of WG) romantically in real life if she were a non-working normal girl in real life? If your HONEST (it has to be honest) answer is No, then, of course, the relationship between you and her is fantasy and purely money-for-sex business. If your honest answer is Yes, then it can be reality, I. E. It can be real relationship just like in real life. If your honest answer is Maybe, then it may be fantasy or may be reality..

Too much serious thought here. The problem has already been figured out. I do not pay for sex. I pay them to go away. Any decent guy with money has a shot at a beautiful girl who is looking. You puff yourself up with nice clothes, a fancy car and a home. All of which are leased or borrowed. Then you give them nice gifts and a compliments with promises of marriage or to take care of them. In other words, if you are willing to pretend to be a fantasy you can succeed. The problem occurs afterwards.

[Member #4581]

It is all about money. Definitely. 100%. Good looks, good manners, being clean and polite will get you better service with some or most girls. If she is going out with you for free. Having sex with you without any money or presents involved. Then it is a different story. And only then. Free couch time or a few free minutes in the room or a discount are not a sign of her liking you, it's customer relations, a bonus card, a loyalty program to make you return. Open your eyes, it's a circus, a show, a fantasy. The harder it is to distinguish from reality, the better it is.

Agree.

Even if she gives a few free sessions outside the club, hardly means it is not about money.

Say, you spend several hundred on her per week. She goes to your room and gives you some free time, some of it being sex and some just hanging out. She knows that you will come back to the club and spend several hundred more on her. Is she wrong?

It is a free session only if she not only gives you free sex, but also has *no* expectation of future money from you.

If she thinks she will obtain some more money from you in the future, the so called free sex she gave you is just a down payment for future business.

[Takedown]

Good looks, good manners, being clean and polite will get you better service with some or most girls. If she is going out with you for free. Having sex with you without any money or presents involved. Then it is a different story. And only then.

Agree.

Free couch time or a few free minutes in the room or a discount are not a sign of her liking you, it's customer relations, a bonus card, a loyalty program to make you return. Open your eyes, it's a circus, a show, a fantasy. The harder it is to distinguish from reality, the better it is.

Kinda agree. But what if it's only your second room with a girl and she says, "Cum in my mouth. No charge". In this case one is not a big spender or a regular. Not sure the loyalty program has started in his case. Unless she does that for everyone.