German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Pistons]

As an addendum, while not discussed, the reason you see more Romanians than other Eastern Europeans is because of a combination of the above thesis and the network and infrastructure that has been so effectively built by our Romanian "businessmen" counterparts.

Add in the gypsies / travellers factor, and you are onto something. This group is easily on the move and on the road. And as they historically avoid jobs where they need to pay taxes, this type of work falls right in line. The non-gypsies Romanians and Bulgarians have probably been somewhat culturally changed by some of their ideas too by way of proximity.

[Pistons]

Sylvana is Italian, one Italian with tattoo in back at the moment at Sharks. Italian Anna tried at Wellcum on August 2016, beauty, but not so good in bed.

I m always surprised because many Romanian girls believe in god, with their job I would only believe in devil and hell.

Like Lucy / Lucifer? Hehe.

[Rogue Nation]

Actually the pope says birth control does not comply with the Bible. That's why they are using "Katholischen Glaubens" as a Synonym for BBFS. Nice coincidences it does include the letters AO as well.

[TeFab456]

It has probably been written here before, and it is not of any particular importance, yet I just like the wording they use in German forums for the unprotected service: it is called "the catholic faith". So in threads about Villa Venus or Grimbergsauna they are constantly asking and reassuring themselves: is (name of girl) still "of our faith", or has she "lapsed" from it? The notion of catholicism of course is all based on assonance (as linguists would say): AO (alles ohne, everything without) translates into cAthOlic. Thinking of earlier times in German FKKs when it was common to fuck in public (I only got some last glimpses from that time in Freude 39 three years ago) makes me think of early Christian sects who did not just share everything as it is written in the Bible but also always were rumored to be prone to libertinage.

[Sirioja]

You're right there is no need for complex theories, just as there is no need to have sex with beautiful girls without the intention of procreation.

My personal experience is that often, and specifically in the early encounters, the man-woman relationship supercedes the monger-WG interaction. Playing that game well for me has resulted in better rooms for me. Keeping it simple is well and fine, but for me that gets boring after a while. Everyone participates in this hobby at various levels, from the once a year fly in tourist to the weekly visitor who tries to make every girl his "Eve."

When I decided to stop with my LR Eve on 12 October night, because of her public foreplay on that night when we had a great day less than 1 week ago when she was free whole day for me, I knew what I lost, but couldn't look at her anymore as a woman, but just a prostitute, so not anymore desirable as I wrote to her. Because she was told about my writings by some jealous guys before I stopped with her, I told her I would never name her, so she knew these guys just need to bullshit because they never read her name, when I never named and will never name her. Since October, she changed her way for business and for look.

Working hard in whole FKK land, from Hamburg where I had beauty Linda. De, to Globe where I had top sexy, super GFE girls making you feel they are in love with you, I had super GFE Fabienne at YY, Kity as often I wanted, a exceptional German escort, some high level German girls at GT, sometimes from Thursday night to Monday night, but every week end in FKK land, but I only find again a new Eve on last week end, more than 8 months to find a real new Eve. What is a Eve? A girl who makes you dream and with who you feel a little spark, but only in bed or in the club. When I saw her, I knew, but I don't meet prostitutes who are fucked by everybody, in private life, and don't plan to visit them in Romania, nor to make them pregnant. I think I m clever enough to understand where not to become ridiculous. They can make us dream, but they are not normal women. Better to understand this. They can be so different with different guys.

[PaulInZurich]

Did you know that Romanians originally came from India? A thousand years ago they crossed over from the Punjab. Much of the Romanian language is still Sanskrit.

You confuse Romanians with gypsies. Gypsies live in other countries in Europe, but primarily in Eastern Europe. As a percentage of the population there are more gypsies in Slovakia and Hungary than Romania.

Romanian is a Latin language with about 10% Slavic influence. Any Romanian picks up Italian in no time, nothing to do with Sanskrit.

[Takedown]

I'm planning to go to Oktoberfest for opening weekend and staying for 2 days.

Since I'm going to be in Germany anyway, going to visit some FKKs.

Should I go before Oktoberfest starts (before Sept 22)? Or after it all ends? During? Does it get crowded during these 2 weeks?

Oktoberfest does not seem to have a huge impact in the Frankfurt, Cologne, and Dusseldorf clubs. The Munich area clubs may be more heavily affected.

What's more related to your itinerary is that the very large car convention, Automechanika, is held in Frankfurt the weekend before the start of Oktoberfest. All of the Frankfurt clubs are slammed for 3-4 days during this convention. The good news is that it is the only convention that I regularly hear girls quote as being one for which they plan to work. So the line ups will be large for the convention and the girls tend to stay the week after leading up to Oktoberfest.

At the other end, the entire month of October tend to also produce good line ups as the girls are back from summer holidays and have little obligations up until the Christmas holidays. Line ups are generally strong from September through November.

[Takedown]

Wa 'alaykum, it's not (just) about a "culture of poverty", it's the fact that Romies love to Roam. Even in Japan, you will find thousands of Romanian girls entertaining their hosts.

Did you know that Romanians originally came from India? A thousand years ago they crossed over from the Punjab. Much of the Romanian language is still Sanskrit.

Anyway, it looks like they are continuing their westward expansion.

I think the Romanian people would probably attest to this statement very much. You are mixing up Romanian people with Romani / Romas / aka gypsies. Romanians were indigenous peoples, mostly Dacian (I. E. The Romanian car company), who were conquered by Romans. Some WGs are in fact also gypsies but certainly not all Romanians are Romani.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians

[Polyamorist]

Wa 'alaykum, it's not (just) about a "culture of poverty", it's the fact that Romies love to Roam. Even in Japan, you will find thousands of Romanian girls entertaining their hosts.

Did you know that Romanians originally came from India? A thousand years ago they crossed over from the Punjab. Much of the Romanian language is still Sanskrit.

Anyway, it looks like they are continuing their westward expansion. Since Romania joined the EU 10 years ago, 17% of the population have emigrated -- the highest after war-torn Syria. When a Romanian finds herself in a new country she is going to need a job and it might not be easy, so an FKK is going to be an option. My concern is that they should be able to operate as individuals in a Western-style free market, rather than being managed by loverboy networks and bringing over corrupt economic patterns from the former Eastern Bloc.

[The Cane]

I think FKKs are tremendously lazy about advertising opportunities, not just in Italy and Greece, but in Latin America, southeast Asia, all over the world in fact. I keep saying they could multiply their applicant pool 10-100 times if they only unfurled their map.

While cruising along Walking Street in Pattaya, I did see the attached e-Billboard, which I took a picture of. So, at least one FKK has attempted to expand its reach. Of course, Magnum is not one of the top tier German clubs, so maybe a little desperation?

[Takedown]

After all, you are already well known to many such ladies at at least one such fine establishment, while I am a virtual unknown to 99% of the ladies at even the one Club I (infrequently) attend which is Sharks..

This explains so much. Fighters (wrestlers, judo, jujitsu, mixed martial artists) all understand that time on the mat is the single most important thing you can do to become better. Studying techniques, cardio, and weight training while helpful, do not in themselves allow you to become a better fighter. I think this concept applies to and is a perfect metaphor for hardcore FKK mongering and understanding the various nuances of the hobby.

[Takedown]

I am not certain why a Greek or Italian lady would travel to a German FKK to work. While some of the local guys are poor, there are likely enough wealthier locals, traveling businessmen, and tourists to provide them enough business in those two countries.

I would guess that the FKK places are cliquish and would guess that the Romanians / Eastern European ladies might be less than friendly to ladies of other nationalities? Or maybe Romanian and Eastern European ladies just like clubs. I get amused by inaccurate media articles stating that 50-60% or more of Spanish sex workers are Eastern European. My guess is that it is more like 5%. The writer usually indicated that he or she went to two clubs to do research and completely ignored the massive escort and small brothels in Spain, that are almost entirely local ladies and South Americans.

YAnd they cannot advertise worldwide for women to come and work as immigration rules are unfortunately now strictly enforced in FKKs.But as UH points out, the absence of say, Greek workers, is odd (there are several cultural and organisational explanations which can be discussed and infinitum to no effect on the real world)

Some posters have touched on various reasons but a thesis can be made by understanding poverty and culture. You do not see Greeks and Italians because those countries lack a poverty culture.

The people of Italy and Greece have not been living in poverty like the Romanians and other Eastern Europeans, well, not long enough to develop a culture of poverty. While they have not been as rich as the French, British, and Germans in modern times, the economic situations in those countries have been fairly recent events. Romania meanwhile went straight from poverty during Soviet communism, to poverty in Ceausecu's communism in the 80's, to poverty in their chaotic version of capitalism in the 90's and 2000's. Poverty has been a way of life there for quite some time. The same goes for southern Spain and South America. ; hence why you also see so many of those nationalities in Spain. Heck, you see more Southeast Asian girls in Europe than Italians and Greeks.

In essence, while many people have become financially poor in Greece and Italy, there is not a culture of poverty that brings the girls there. For girls from countries like Greece and Italy to be willing to immigrate to sell their bodies, poverty has to brew for another generation for the existing culture to change. Poverty has to be normalized for the institution of prostitution to become normalized.

As an addendum, while not discussed, the reason you see more Romanians than other Eastern Europeans is because of a combination of the above thesis and the network and infrastructure that has been so effectively built by our Romanian "businessmen" counterparts.

[ExpatLover]

Jnpr30, a clear need exists for enterprising individuals to travel to Italy and Greece to advertise the economic opportunities available in nearby countries.

Perhaps no one is actively advertising to all these young folks in Italy and Greece. I mean, 99% of Americans have absolutely no idea that FKKs even exist. It wouldn't surprise me if young ladies in Italy and Greece had no realistic information about FKKs.

Perhaps this could be your calling Jnpr30? Think about how many young people you might be able to save from their economic plight and possible starvation.

Perhaps some Italians could explain why they do not export any of their own young ladies to Germany? Surely there are some Italians here who would be willing to shed some light on the situation? Plenty of Italians in the clubs every weekend, so surely a few are browsing ISG when they're done reading their Italian equivalent versions of ISG?

Of course they have all the infos thez just like the French women they don t want to be a prostitute being fucked so many times every day, to work in a club is destroying not only the body but mainly the brain, just have a objective look at the girls after several years in a club. They are looking like old bitches, with low power and no energy to build their life. Are you willing one of your family member to work in any FKK, for me obviously not. Most of them earn good money but less than in the past and the competition is more and more hard between the girls. After several years in a FKK many of them have nothing, 60 percent of those girls have a BF or a pimp.

[Optimist]

I think FKKs are tremendously lazy....But as the clubs become dominated by gangs of surly Romanians, I think more and more people are going to start asking questions. The FKKs are a shadow of what they once were.

You are correct in all points (probably someone will object to your use of the word "surly", but I think it is an ok, if sweeping, generalisation as you are contexting it historically with past groups of workers).

But despair not my perceptive comrade. There is still good service, and nice clubs, and good atmosphere to be found, but it takes a lot more effort to find. Recently an ISG member lectured me, as if I didn't already know this, but he was right to allude to Living Room (even in modern times), others mention Bernds, and I mention the red carpet clubs (although they also are becoming infected by the Precious Princess virus which pervades some of the most frequented clubs).

Personally I am glad that FKK does not advertise worldwide for customers. And they cannot advertise worldwide for women to come and work as immigration rules are unfortunately now strictly enforced in FKKs.But as UH points out, the absence of say, Greek workers, is odd (there are several cultural and organisational explanations which can be discussed and infinitum to no effect on the real world)

My point is, we can find the best service and report (which, apologies, I have been unable to do for a couple of months)

[All For Bb]

Different persons have different tastes regarding to stunner. I like / love Japanese AV type girls, like Tokyo Hot Web Site girls or KPOP girls. Personally I feel they are better than European girls. Although, I use FKK girls a lot.

Well. Yes and no, I love beautiful girls and I love Europeans and Eurasians hybrid girls the most.

So I basically goto EU to fuck European pussies and Eurasians I do them here back home when I find stunner level as I only like stunner level girls.

I do however, like some Asian girls who is stunner, but it is so hard to find Asian girls that are stunner level. I like about 170 cm, model body, structured beautiful small face etc at around age 18 to 24 max, so it is hard to find stunner level, but once in awhile I do find stunner level and I often get both Asian stunner or Eurasian girls bareback when I find them, which is hmmmm few times per year as I am selective.