German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Mr Ho]

In my experience with 2 girls who gave me "in club" discounts, I always offered to pay at reception or near the lockers. I'the take out my money wallet or the appropriate amount, they'the quickly grab just a single 50 or 100 note and take off when the bill should have been 200 or 300. Never had a completely free session in the club. If they were upset at me for something, they would take the full amount.

Girls do not like other clients to see how much you are charging who because apparently many guys accuse girls of you did that to such and such for how much etc LOL.

However, nothing is free in FKK no matter what. I got free session once in FKK, but that is only I gave her free legal herbs as I promised to bring a day earlier, so I guess she was touched that I remembered and brought it for her, but again, it is not really free, I paid for that legal herbs though it must have been like 10 euro as a value and I got good 30 min.

Nothing is free in tuting world in one way or another we are paying for it.

On the other hand, nothing is free in sex with normal girls either, you are paying for wining and dining, trips, hotels etc etc.

Some guys see this reality, most guys do not see this reality and lives in illusion that girls and society sells to you LOL.

[Takedown]

So that first free session would represent the "turning point". Does she just tell you at the money locker, "you don't need to pay"? Do you offer to pay, then she hands the money back to you?

In my experience with 2 girls who gave me "in club" discounts, I always offered to pay at reception or near the lockers. I'the take out my money wallet or the appropriate amount, they'the quickly grab just a single 50 or 100 note and take off when the bill should have been 200 or 300. Never had a completely free session in the club. If they were upset at me for something, they would take the full amount.

[McAdonis]

I admit I have special feeling for her and care about her.

If you have special feelings and care about her, I assume you go out with her in public.

I have my moral standard and don't ask her for anything except free sex.

Often times people never ask. Sometimes it is understood. If I am at a restaurant with a GF, she will just ask for the check and pay. We more or less alternate on who pays. But nobody keeps track whose "turn" it is. If I specifically insist on going to an upscale restaurant of my choosing, then of course, I would pay every time. For bigger things like holidays, a GF would say something like "I already booked the airfare. Don't forget to book the hotel".

For the first example, I never asked her to pay. For the second example, we may have agreed a week prior on dates for a planned holiday, but I never asked her to pay for our airfare. She just did it proactively. And then told me that I was responsible for paying for the hotel.

For this particular girl, I did 7 or 8 30-min normal sessions before starting to get free session.

So that first free session would represent the "turning point". Does she just tell you at the money locker, "you don't need to pay"? Do you offer to pay, then she hands the money back to you?

[Pistons]

Most normal girls from affluent backgrounds remain idealistic for a while but girls who come from poverty lose their idealism much much earlier. But that doesn't mean they would never date a poor guy. Jaded, money hungry women all over the world still get in relationships with broke, loser boyfriends well into there 30's. Women are inconsistent and incongruent so the words always and never should hardly ever be used to describe their actions.

I totally agree on this one, and there are tons of examples. Except it might be better to not generalise women. Better to say both men and women are inconsistent in these matters. It is part of being individuals.

[Sirioja]

Just like any other local monger, I monger normally and don't "invest" on any WG for the purpose of being their loverboy for free session. I did between 120 and 140 sessions a year. But I am a cheap guy and most of my sessions were 30 min with cost of about 70 euro per 30-min session on average. Once in a while I found the girl whom I liked a lot, so I did more sessions with her. For this particular girl, I did 7 or 8 30-min normal sessions before starting to get free session. But I don't consider they were the "investment" because I had good time with her and would do her anyway even if I don't get free session now. I admit I have special feeling for her and care about her. I have my moral standard and don't ask her for anything except free sex.

I think that for local mongers like you, after 4 sessions with the WG within relatively short period of time, you can start to make a move because by that time she knows that you have special interest in her and are not a "normal" monger for her. But the key is that you HAVE TO select the girl at 18 or 19 years old (preferably 18) and it won't work if she is over 19. During the later sessions, you should start to make some romantic comments like I like you a lot, you are beautiful and so on..

18/20 yo little girls have not much interest to play with, only maybe worth for freshness and not always. Most often lack of sensuality for behavior and in bed, I prefer to play with woman types, much more interesting, and usually mum women are great for sweetness in bed. I love classy mannered, elegant woman types.

I love You from a girl or when You made her cum, don t mean anything in this business. Today she may claim to love You, and tomorrow hate You. Not real love like in real life, just illusion, even when it s for free and out of clubs. What a pride to have relationship with a WG fucked by everybody for money.

I really enjoy when difficult to communicate with the girl, not speaking english, then only eyes, smiles, hands and caresses talk. Really enjoyable, no lies.

[Bfsie]

FWIW "loverboy" is also a Dutch term of art for a certain kind of pimp. These are guys who prey on very young naive girls, often rural, who are seduced and then psychologically manipulated into working in window-style prostitution. I think the term has widened in use over the years.

I am very glad you brought this up because I saw many posters used the word "loverboy" which actually doesn't have exactly the same meaning as boyfriend (BF). You are right that Dutch use it to a pimp for young girl. Loverboy should mean a man who provides a girl, usually a young girl, with his love which she is addicted to as a chemical substance just like cocaine and other addictive substances for exchange of her sex and money if he convinces her into prostitution. The key feature of loverboy is love and the girl involved must be addicted to his love.

On the word boyfriend, the girl in the relationship of boyfriend and girlfriend doesn't have to be addicted to his love and can be without his love. So boyfriend is not necessarily a loverboy. Loverboy is not necessarily a boyfriend. These two words have different meaning.

I think that in general if the girl is between 18 and 20, we could call her male friend her loverboy because the girls in these ages are much more vulnerable to love. If the girl is 21 or more, it is better to call her male friend her boyfriend because the relationship is much more than just love if any.

[Bfsie]

What is the typical seduction process? Specifically the part of the seduction process where you are still a customer paying market rate. Six one hour sessions over a two month period? Two three hour sessions over a week? How many sessions before it becomes free? In both the above scenarios I would consider the customer "in the hole". Or in casino speak, down 600 EUR. Do you ever break even or profit from your original investment? Meaning she starts to pay for more things than you pay for?

Just like any other local monger, I monger normally and don't "invest" on any WG for the purpose of being their loverboy for free session. I did between 120 and 140 sessions a year. But I am a cheap guy and most of my sessions were 30 min with cost of about 70 euro per 30-min session on average. Once in a while I found the girl whom I liked a lot, so I did more sessions with her. For this particular girl, I did 7 or 8 30-min normal sessions before starting to get free session. But I don't consider they were the "investment" because I had good time with her and would do her anyway even if I don't get free session now. I admit I have special feeling for her and care about her. I have my moral standard and don't ask her for anything except free sex.

I think that for local mongers like you, after 4 sessions with the WG within relatively short period of time, you can start to make a move because by that time she knows that you have special interest in her and are not a "normal" monger for her. But the key is that you HAVE TO select the girl at 18 or 19 years old (preferably 18) and it won't work if she is over 19. During the later sessions, you should start to make some romantic comments like I like you a lot, you are beautiful and so on.

Just to be clear, I will never get into serious relationship with any WG like boyfriend and girlfriend relationship. It is just not for me. But loverboy is different with BF as I will explain in my next post.

[Akibono]

For the record, I don't think I was ever dismissive toward you or anybody else. I try my best not to deny anybody's experiences, because I obviously was not there. My intent is to get posters to open up with more info. Why? Because I am sure readers would like to benchmark their experiences against people like yourself, in order to assess if if they have / had something "real" with their WG.

What is the typical seduction process? Specifically the part of the seduction process where you are still a customer paying market rate. Six one hour sessions over a two month period? Two three hour sessions over a week? How many sessions before it becomes free? In both the above scenarios I would consider the customer "in the hole". Or in casino speak, down 600 EUR. Do you ever break even or profit from your original investment? Meaning she starts to pay for more things than you pay for? This assumes you actually spend time together where opportunities exist for both parties to spend money on one another (shopping, dining, traveling, night clubs, etc)..

Can we stop the "size" comparison? I take anything said with a grain of salt because it cannot be verified and people embellish or have faulty memories. When it come to seduction, you either have game or are just a looker.

[Takedown]

I'd say most girls in their early 20's are still idealistic. They still believe in "romantic love". If money was a primary concern, then Romanian women in their early-20's would never hook up with Romanian guys their own age (truck drivers, construction workers. Etc). This holds true even for some of the money-worshiping Romanian WGs, many of which are early 20's.

Most normal girls from affluent backgrounds remain idealistic for a while but girls who come from poverty lose their idealism much much earlier. But that doesn't mean they would never date a poor guy. Jaded, money hungry women all over the world still get in relationships with broke, loser boyfriends well into there 30's. Women are inconsistent and incongruent so the words always and never should hardly ever be used to describe their actions.

But as far as Romanian WGs, I don't know many of them who date poor Romanian boys. Most vehemently seem to avoid them. I do see quite a few drawn to the pompous money flaunting Turkish-Romanian guys.

The one Romanian WG that I know for sure who is now currently dating a literal truck driver, well that's the one who was with me for 9 months. So she must be bat shit crazy.

But once a girls reaches age 30, things change: a prospective man's income starts to take on more importance. This turning point can happen sooner too. It's dependent on cultural factors as well: (1) average marrying age, (2) prevalence of single mothers, (3) how negative society's view towards "gold diggers" are.

For Romanians, I would say quite earlier. Doesn't seem like the gold digger stigma has quite as negative a stigma in Romanian culture as compared to most other societies. Where I live, the American South, the first 2 factors apply. So in my reality of local girls and Romanian WGs, 25 seems to be more the age where women change.

[Neurosynth]

FWIW "loverboy" is also a Dutch term of art for a certain kind of pimp. These are guys who prey on very young naive girls, often rural, who are seduced and then psychologically manipulated into working in window-style prostitution. I think the term has widened in use over the years.

[McAdonis]

I think this is a bit too idealistic a view of caring. I hold the view that most people are good, but also that most people are very selfish. A woman can still care for you but still use you because she is also selfish. Teamwork in relationships and self sacrifice is unfortunately much harder to find from attractive women these days. And the ones who fit that bill usually gets scooped up by the time they're 25.

I'd say most girls in their early 20's are still idealistic. They still believe in "romantic love". If money was a primary concern, then Romanian women in their early-20's would never hook up with Romanian guys their own age (truck drivers, construction workers. Etc). This holds true even for some of the money-worshiping Romanian WGs, many of which are early 20's.

But once a girls reaches age 30, things change: a prospective man's income starts to take on more importance. This turning point can happen sooner too. It's dependent on cultural factors as well: (1) average marrying age, (2) prevalence of single mothers, (3) how negative society's view towards "gold diggers" are.

[McAdonis]

First all in this particular case of mine quoted in your post, what I meant "lover-boy" (the term contains more meaning of LOVE than BF) means that (1) I don't pay her for sex. (2) I know she is in love with me from my extensive experience which makes me know what is real and what is fake as you probably know me by now from your previous posts that I am not a dumb guy. I can be her real BF if I want to, but I choose not to because I want to leave my door open to do other girls, meaning I don't live with her and see her about 1.5 times a week. By the way, this case is not my first time and I had many same or similar cases before.

For the record, I don't think I was ever dismissive toward you or anybody else. I try my best not to deny anybody's experiences, because I obviously was not there. My intent is to get posters to open up with more info. Why? Because I am sure readers would like to benchmark their experiences against people like yourself, in order to assess if if they have / had something "real" with their WG.

What is the typical seduction process? Specifically the part of the seduction process where you are still a customer paying market rate. Six one hour sessions over a two month period? Two three hour sessions over a week? How many sessions before it becomes free? In both the above scenarios I would consider the customer "in the hole". Or in casino speak, down 600 EUR. Do you ever break even or profit from your original investment? Meaning she starts to pay for more things than you pay for? This assumes you actually spend time together where opportunities exist for both parties to spend money on one another (shopping, dining, traveling, night clubs, etc).

If you are truly both only in it for sexual gratification as fuck buddies, then essentially she would just text you when she wants, then she would come over to fuck you for three hours, then leave. Only cost to you is maybe a 4 EUR bottle of wine that you had lying around. Since most of the time spent together is inside of a hotel room or flat, you would probably never recover your 600 EUR (unless she started bringing meals and gifts to you, paid with by her own money). Regardless, if you get six months of absolutely free sex from just a 600 EUR investment, I am sure all of us can agree, that is an extremely positive outcome.

[Sirioja]

When I decided to stop with my LR Eve on 12 October night, because of her public foreplay on that night when we had a great day less than 1 week ago when she was free whole day for me, I knew what I lost, but couldn't look at her anymore as a woman, but just a prostitute, so not anymore desirable as I wrote to her. Because she was told about my writings by some jealous guys before I stopped with her, I told her I would never name her, so she knew these guys just need to bullshit because they never read her name, when I never named and will never name her. Since October, she changed her way for business and for look.

Working hard in whole FKK land, from Hamburg where I had beauty Linda. De, to Globe where I had top sexy, super GFE girls making you feel they are in love with you, I had super GFE Fabienne at YY, Kity as often I wanted, a exceptional German escort, some high level German girls at GT, sometimes from Thursday night to Monday night, but every week end in FKK land, but I only find again a new Eve on last week end, more than 8 months to find a real new Eve..

8 months, more than 80 days in FKK land, from Hamburg to Zurich, through NRW and Hessen, not so easy to find a Eve.

[Sirioja]

I don't completely agree with your statement above if I understand you correctly.

First all in this particular case of mine quoted in your post, what I meant "lover-boy" (the term contains more meaning of LOVE than BF) means that (1) I don't pay her for sex. (2) I know she is in love with me from my extensive experience which makes me know what is real and what is fake as you probably know me by now from your previous posts that I am not a dumb guy. I can be her real BF if I want to, but I choose not to because I want to leave my door open to do other girls, meaning I don't live with her and see her about 1.5 times a week. By the way, this case is not my first time and I had many same or similar cases before..

I don't look for love with prostitutes who are fucked by everybody, but I look for pleasure in my mind which is much more important for me than emptying balls. I don't beg with girls, I don't ask them anything, I wait they will to please me, so I behave to give them will to please me. It doesn't work so bad for me. When you really make them cum, most don't seem to really cum often, because they look at you like a alien, ask to have a short break, to go to toilets, and don't look at you in same way.

On Friday night, I made cum with violent orgasm, repeated on Saturday night also very deep, so she asked if I wanted to come again on Sunday, when I was only a 100 for 1 h room on both nights and she had a client who fucked her many times on both day for 500 per day, but I preferred to repeat with my top class old girl, 25 yo, on Sunday. I have my respect they feel, manners they see, and skill they experience, with girls. I learned all from my love with my exceptional girlfriends in real life. For last 2, I made them asking for sex, never heard about headache, last one asked me when she was very horny from period, to fuck her, with her blood on me. It's just nature, nothing dirty.

[Pistons]

If there are so few Romani from Romania, then how do you explain the Manele music industry? You do realise that this is a purely Romani thing right? Or that so many of the girls even have Romani cultural shirts even with them at work for late night partying.

Personally I have come to like Romani quite a bit from having met these girls in FKK's. And I find them fascinating. As persons they are impossible to tell the difference of from other people though, but the partying spirit is nice.