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06-30-18 05:12 #42731
Posts: 303Amnesia, IMHO, forget about it. There is an old saying, Money talks and BS walks. A group with a reputation of having and spending money will mostly get better service than another group that has an opposite reputation. In my younger days, getting into the IN club or restaurant was a status symbol. A maître the' or door man can make or break a place. There are certain restaurants, clubs, and hotels that I know I can always get in. Part of it is I have built up connections and the people that know me, want my business.
I might get comped drinks, room, treats and such but I know that I have already, in someways, paid several times over for the little tokens.
You are not alone. Many local guys tell me that they cannot get into certain places in their own country because the establishments are geared towards maximizing profit. Usually from foreigners and for the select few locals. Sometimes royalty. It is getting better in Asia. But, it is still around. Try going to one of the clubs / hotel / restaurant with live entertainment in your country without paying a cover or just getting a bottled water. Try one of the Aman. Just sit in the restaurant and get a bottled water.
Best of luck on your crusade for a new business model. Follow your ideas. Sent me an invite to show off your successful establishment.
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06-29-18 23:26 #42730
Posts: 32Well said.
Originally Posted by MonkeyPaw [View Original Post]
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06-29-18 22:40 #42729
Posts: 303I wonder what housekeeping says. They do gossip and keep logs (not the wooden types)
Originally Posted by MonkeyPaw [View Original Post]
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06-29-18 19:44 #42728
Posts: 5566+1
Originally Posted by Amnesia [View Original Post]
By the same token, if the primary business of a go-go bar is to entice me to meet and pay barfines for sex with their girls then they are just going to have to wait until I see something interesting enough to me for that purpose in their line up before I start buying lady drinks and racking up significant numbers of drinks for myself. But that means I might need to sit through two 20 minute dance sets and even give it another 20-30 minutes after that on the chance that the only 2-3 girls in their employ who might cause me to open my wallet more often could return from an earlier barfine by then.
In such a case, I am doing my part by being fully prepared to go along with their business model. But if during that wait and see time I don't see a reason in their line up to add to the bar's drink income every 20 minutes then they are the ones not doing their part in the deal, not me.
Meanwhile, I have sat in packed go-go bars for more than an hour with only one club soda purchase to show for it many times and I have never been told to buy another drink or leave. And I have never felt shunned by girls in those bars either.
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06-29-18 13:02 #42727
Posts: 60Originally Posted by Syzygies [View Original Post]
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06-29-18 12:34 #42726
Posts: 666My last night in BKK.
Originally Posted by GCNovice [View Original Post]
Next I took a taxi to Soi Cowboy and stepped into Baccara around 9:45. Downstairs seating was full of customers, so I went to find a seat upstairs. Not more than 30 seconds after I took a seat on a sofa in front of the dance floor, #83 came to say "Hi. " Her name is Mai and we had sat together before a couple of days ago. She's a cute girl with short hair and braces, about 5'3 105 lbs and a pair of big man made boobs. By the way there is another girl #11, who works there. If anyone has seen her dance, can we agree that her boobs are way just too big for her small frame? She's a bit cute and slim, but with a size 600 breast implants on a 95 lbs body, they look rather silly to me. I just don't want to be the only guy with that opinion. I told #83 about it, but she thought they looked perfectly fine. I beg to differ.
Anyways, #83 and I had previous introductions with the mamasan upstairs when we all sat a drank together 2 days ago. Back then, she told me that she had seen me for the past 6 months, but was scared to approach me. That's a pretty funny feeling I get because it's true. When I walk into most bars including Baccara, not one girl even smiles at me. But when I call them over for a drink, they are always so happy and giggly. Another dancer upstairs who used to work Baccara Pattaya also came over to join us. We already knew each other before in Pattaya. If you are a frequent customer to both venues, you will know who she is. The girl who used to work Pattaya is probably one of the better looking dancer now upstairs at Baccara Soi Cowboy. Anyways I've already been with her in Pattaya, so I wanted something different. Unfortunately that night when sitting with #83, she accidentally mentioned that she just got her braces tightened that day. And when she asked me if I wanted to take her, I remembered and told her "then your mouth cannot blow job. " She giggled and said she didn't do that (BJ). I responded, "then I can't barfine you. " I told her I would wait until a few days until her mouth healed and then I would ONLY if she agreed to blow me. She giggled again and nod her head and said "okay. ".
So tonight was that night. After about 5 drinks for her and 1 for the waitress, I barfined her ST. I wanted to stay and enjoy the show a bit, so hence the drinks. She wanted to do LT and told me can stay until after lunch for 5000, but I wasn't interested, I had a flight to catch was my excuse. Even if I didn't have a flight to catch, I enjoy and like sleeping alone so it's still a no go for LT for me. I just wanted to clarify something I read in an earlier post by another member who took #23. Baccara barfine rate for ALL dancers and hostesses (wearing black dresses) is the same for upstairs and downstairs no matter if it is 7:30 pm or 2 am. Girls who work part time can come and go as they please, and owe the club a fee of 2 drinks per night before they can leave out with a customer. But those are usually the hotter girls that have all this freedom, not anyone left after 12:30 am. If it's that late, usually the quality is not there, but you can possibly negotiate a cheaper price for the girls left remaining.
So what I liked about #83 was she was a multiple cummer. And with each time, she became more wet and wet. She stayed 2 hours but we spent about 30 minutes just chatting before taking a bath where she performed a sloppy BBBJ. She is a screamer (Japanese style), though I told her I'm not Japanese, so she can stop pretending. Apparently her moans are real because she didn't. She can go at it for a long time and I think she truly enjoys sex with the right customer. After about 4 orgasms (her), I began to get tired and she was able to finish me with her mouth. She was able to sense I was about to cum and she jerked it off in the final few seconds. Dang! I should have played possum. Anyways, I paid 3000 plus 500 tip for her. When she left she saw the bed restraints. She only grinned, so perhaps she is willing next time. Throughout our conversation at the club and through some of her actions, I can tell this girl is a big game player. Meaning she will hustle the crap out of a customer that can't pick up on her cues (like kept asking me about my metal credit card) and you will get shitty service if any at all. So newbies be careful. For me she was fine with everything, but remember that whole "BJ" and braces thing in the beginning. That was a cue from her and you saw how I played back to get this better experience. I had to bring in the mamasan and the girl from Pattaya to help. So keep that in mind, though in the Land of a Million Smiles, maybe only 20% of them are genuine.
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06-29-18 11:01 #42725
Posts: 92Originally Posted by Syzygies [View Original Post]
So no, it's not bullshit. In fact you yourself are providing arguments that are supporting my statement: fixed costs.
1) User Smoothy says the bar is not making any money with a customer who's only drinking a water. That's wrong, and everyone who has basic math skills knows that. A water costs the bar maybe 5 Baht. They sell it for 120 Baht. Other than the cost of purchase, there are no variable cost I cause the bar. Maybe I use the restroom, so deduct 20 Baht for water and soap. That still leaves you a gross profit of 95 Baht, and a nice gross margin of almost 80%. The bar IS making money from me.
2) It's better to have an additional 95 Baht than an additional 0 Baht. It's not like there is a long line of high-spending customers waiting and I am taking their seat. All those bars always have excess capacity, even during peak hours and peak season. Leaving a seat empty rather than earning 95 THB with it would be nonsense. In fact, it's not only the 95 Baht additional profit you make. The more customers are inside, the more fun does the bar look like, so the more likely it will attract additional customers.
3) If the bar is not profitable, then it has to find ways to reduce its (fixed) costs and / or increase its revenues. Getting rid of small-ticket customers would be nonsense; you would not get more profitable but less. One way could be to turn low-spenders into more-spenders. You won't achieve that by trying to push them out of the bar. But if the girls are hot and nice, I am not constantly being pestered to buy every Tom, Dick and Harry a ladydrink, and the barfines and girl rates are reasonable, I am glad to stay and have many beers. Otherwise I will leave after having one water.
4) If all that does not work, maybe the whole market needs to consolidate (E. G. , taking out excess capacity from the market by merging bars), or the whole business model is not feasible.
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06-29-18 10:39 #42724
Posts: 31Thank man.
Originally Posted by GCNovice [View Original Post]
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06-29-18 09:58 #42723
Posts: 3699Originally Posted by Syzygies [View Original Post]
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06-29-18 09:49 #42722
Posts: 12856Originally Posted by MonkeyPaw [View Original Post]
I am in agreement that very special girls are worth more money than the average girls. No different to paying a huge amount for a pretty girl at The Lord (yes I know closed now). I don't get a cheap street girl because the quality is not there.
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06-29-18 09:40 #42721
Posts: 525+1.
Originally Posted by Syzygies [View Original Post]
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06-29-18 09:35 #42720
Posts: 12856Originally Posted by GCNovice [View Original Post]
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06-29-18 09:24 #42719
Posts: 12856Originally Posted by Amnesia [View Original Post]
Sure the bar can tolerate the odd customer sitting on one drink, but they don't like it. They need bar to be nearly full and with enough customers making a big spend over 1000 baht.
The entertainment is only able to be free on the basis that you keep buying drinks. Otherwise the costs of the dancers and other staff outweighs the spend of single drink customers.
Really all of the bars are trying to attract big spend customers, and as many as possible.
Mercury bar was getting a lot of Indian customers as had few skinny girls. Wasn't going good at all despite a few Coyotes. They had to change approach and are now a LB bar.
In a busy bar a one drink customer is hurting profits, perhaps better than nothing in an empty bar but it is only 100 Baht. Doesn't pay anything much. Even a customer seen sitting on one drink could be viewed as potentially having a bad effect on any other customers, seeing that it can be tolerated.
It is simple though, for those who don't want to buy a lot of drinks and are no longer interested in the entertainment. Meet the girl secretly outside the bar, or leave the bar quickly having seen there is no girl of interest to Barfine. I have my bargirl contacts. We can meet elsewhere when she is not attending the bar. Watching bargirls dance gets boring pretty quickly, so I am only there briefly to find and meet any new talent, if any, for some bars. If I don't have a girl to maybe fuck found, then no point to stay there.
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06-28-18 15:06 #42718
Posts: 303Smoothy, it is an infinite loop of back or forth conversation that will never lead to the partitioning of person and cash.
Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]Originally Posted by Amnesia [View Original Post]Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
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06-28-18 13:20 #42717
Posts: 336Yaba aka crystal meth, ice, speed, crank, etc.
Originally Posted by BlazeJohnny03 [View Original Post]