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[Polyamorist]

The chances of us living in the original universe and not in a simulation is 1:999 999 999 999 etc.

As the bible says, gods, or the watchers (of the simulation), the elohim came down to the earth to have sex with the children of men (female NPC's).

Salaam Sayyid Pistons. As a Polytheist, I have long believed the universe was designed by a committee. There are just too many fucked up things about it.

It makes sense that the initial team would set up the world as a combination FKK / human wildlife reserve. They themselves all look the same, and boring, kind of like the Swiss. But they could experiment with the DNA down here and create many races and different varieties of beauty. So they will visit and have their way with the hottest NPCs.

Maintaining an FKK as big as Planet Earth is expensive. To fund it there would need to be tens of thousands of customers every day. Mistakes will be made. If they forget to wipe their minds of the girls afterwards, these unwitting participants will report weird dreams and tales of alien abduction. Once in a blue moon the FKK visitor is a real a**hole and doesn't bother to wear the intradimensional equivalent of a condom. Then there is a "virgin birth": a remarkable specimen is produced right here on Earth and there is hell to pay in terms of torture and resurrection and so on.

Other gods did not want the simulation to mainly be a sex simulation, so they trapped the elohim from leaving the earth, and so their powers of control faded.

I've never been in a corporate department without these kinds of conflicts. What they are trying to create is ruined by a tug of war over the project by different factions.

[Pistons]

OK that was post 2/2, and makes no sense as long as post 1/2 is not passing through the gates.

[Smoke Light]

The above are for active substance uses -- alcohol, drugs, pain killers etc. Will porn addiction be recognized as a disease on par with substance abuse and treated as such? Perhaps in the future -- McA's links show younger men growing up in the age of streaming porn are at bigger risk of this addiction than their older cohorts. But as of now, pron addicts have no such help, except the advice "kick your habit". That used to be the same advice when it came to tobacco, drugs, alcohol, etc but now it is recognized that will power is not sufficient and clinical help is needed.

Another concern is the cost of the treatment. For a US citizen fighting porn addiction and choosing face-to-face counseling the cost can be $150 to $250 for a single session, generally not covered by health insurance, Medicare or Medicaid.

Coverage and benefits for traditional therapy and counseling services change from one health insurance company to another and from plan to plan. With many health insurance plans, coverage can be partial or very limited. Even if your plan covers all your costs, the required co-pay is high. In many cases, before you can get reimbursed by your insurance company, your therapist would have to diagnose you with a mental disorder or issue. This diagnosis would be sent to the insurance company and recorded in your medical file. In some cases the therapist would also have to provide additional clinical information to the insurance company, such as treatment plans, summaries or copies of the entire record.

The downside to claiming porn addiction therapy costs using you health Insurance? Fuck yes! Read this: Health insurance companies often need to have a diagnosis before they will pay your claims. This gives them the opportunity to ask your health provider any questions about your health and well-being. Anything that they learn goes into your health file, and you have little or no control over who can access it from there. The reasons that led you to counseling may not be something that you want stored in your personal health file. You may not want to risk letting information out that could cause new problems in your employment or other personal matters. Enjoy the ride!

All of the above leads me to believe my best bet fighting porn addiction is my next trip to Germany LOL! $250 covers a comfortable hotel bed, FKK entry including food / saunas / wellness / jacuzzi / swimming pool, and one or two basic suck and fuck sessions with a damn good looking WG therapist who would otherwise charge a fortune $$$ as an escort in the US. "Kick your habit AND buy your ticket to Frankfurt" LOL.

Sources:

https://www.betterhelp.com/faq/

https://www.betterhelp.com/advice/th...i-have-to-pay/

[Pistons]

Also known as the Eye of Providence, The all-seeing Eye, or the Eye of God.

In reality these are only esoteric descriptions of the cockeye!

The cockeye is where the male cum ejects from. Where the seeds of a new generation comes from. Where the genes are released from.

The cockeye is therefore the bringer of new life: The God!

The bible tells the story of humans being created in the image of God. From his cock. Or from the cock of the chieftain: (Enki).

It is allseeing, as all human life ones came from the cockeye.

We are living in a simulation:

The chances of us living in the original universe aand not in a simulation is 1:999 999 999 999 etc.

As the bible says, gods, or the watchers (of the simulation), the elohim came down to the earth to have sex with the children of men (female NPC's).

We are thus living in a sex simulation for the watchers, or the 'gods'.

Other gods did not want the simulation to mainly be a sex simulation, so they trapped the elohim from leaving the earth, and so their powers of control faded.

But the elohim had higher knowledge, and created the moneytary system so that they could keep having sex and keep using the simulation as a sex simulator.

Feel like you are mindfucked enough? Well, a mindfucker is a giver of knowledge. A giver of strips of knowledge in ways of DNA, straight into the skull: like a skullfuck. And it is glorious. O we all need to be uncapped if we want to seek the real knowledge of this world. And off with the tin foil hats, or condoms strapped to your heads. Unless you believe me ofcourse!

[Pistons]

Money is a medium of exchange that has a value.

Money first came to be for this very purpose.

Our human basic needs are twofolded: food and sex.

In a hunter / gatherer society (even before modern humans), where men were physically stronger than women and more fit to do the hunting, the food was the medium of exchange for the men (the hunters). And in return, the women had to hold back on sex in order to have their own medium of exchange.

Thus the female body changed through millennia and several previous pre-modern-human species into only ovulating and being ready for birth and procreation once per year (9 months pregnancy, and 3 months or so to recuperate afterwards) so that sex would be even more of a medium of limited supply.

The male hunters thus used food as the medium of exchange to give the females and in return get sex.

The females in return used sex as the medium of exchange to give the male hunters and in return get food.

The reason they needed sex was procreation, and to pass their genes on to the next generation.

The way a tribal hunter / gatherer society works is that of cheiftains or leaders of the pack, with lesser younger beta-males below.

A male would always want a female to procreate with, so that his offspring would be as fit and healthy as possible.

A female would allways want her offspring to have the best genes, so in a sterile society, she would pick a young fit and strong male in his best age as long as she had ample options to choose from. And where her needs of survival (enough food / resources for her and the offspring) was met.

The older males saw this, and constructed a chieftain system, where they were the ones controlling the use of the mediums of exchange (food): the money of the time.

In time, food was updated into coins or other tradable items as more easily tradable mediums of exchange.

Result: Money was thus created so that older men could have sex with girl.

Fun fact: The eye on the top of the pyramid on the US one dollar bill is the cockeye of the cheiftain, looking down on his followers: His concubines and beta-males.

[Akibono]

Polyamorist thanks for bringing this up. On my longer trips I have booked I am looking to take some days off even a day trip and specifically maybe have a few days where I can ' spa by day and Gypsy by night' since I could enjoy spa facilities and eat well than enjoy red couches at night or if in another area maybe find a Club there.

Do you or anyone else have any suggestions or links for any day spas, maybe with sauna / steam / massage / indoor warm pools maybe even hot springs.

Here is the link to a place I always go after skiing or rafting in Colorado on the way back to Denver. This is just one of many in the state. They have underground caves with natural hot springs water at 107,110 and 115 degrees. Normal standard hot tub temps are in the 100-103 range in comparison. Denver is 6,000 feet elevation and the hot springs as you head west on I-70 or north up to Winter Park or Steamboat only get higher and rapidly. I am guessing if Germany has anything like this it might be in the Alps.

From Frankfurt, you can take a train to Wiesbaden. There is a spa there. Quite inexpensive. If you want a massage, you will have to reserve days in advance.

[Member #4581]

It's an addiction on par with everything else out there. It's sinister in a way since you need decent amount of self awareness to notice all of it's effects.

Wouldn't that job be a perfect opportunity to actually kick the habit? I would've taken that job but maybe, just maybe I don't understand the level of your addiction.

I want to mention something that I think it's interesting. Last time when I came back from FKK trip, I sat back at my porn station and thought to myself how the fuck can I be addicted to this type of thing. I thought of all the american men who are addicted to this crap and completely unaware that they can get a real thing just a flight away. And guess what. Since I don't have full time girlfriend these days, I relapsed in about a week.

Anyway, I want to mention few things about this forum. I started reading it occasionally recently and I am quite impressed by number of you. Number of you are spectacular writers and number of you have some serious depth to your thoughts. Carry on.

Addiction is a disease, on par with many other diseases. Yet, even in the US, addiction is just now getting the proper attention it warrants. Addiction involves the brain and body, and can be quite destructive and often there is huge societal pressure to hide it, deny it, and not seek help. Obviously, there is a lot of adverse and negative judgement from others. Just in the last decade or two, there is increasing awareness of deleterious impact of addiction from substance abuse. Yet, even medical professionals often look down on addicts and believe will power ought to be enough to kick the habit, eventhough studies are showing will power is alone not enough. This is in the US -- I think general societies are far more judgmental outside the US.

The above are for active substance uses -- alcohol, drugs, pain killers etc. Will porn addiction be recognized as a disease on par with substance abuse and treated as such? Perhaps in the future -- McA's links show younger men growing up in the age of streaming porn are at bigger risk of this addiction than their older cohorts. But as of now, pron addicts have no such help, except the advice "kick your habit". That used to be the same advice when it came to tobacco, drugs, alcohol, etc but now it is recognized that will power is not sufficient and clinical help is needed.

For the most part, porn addicts are treated as borderline perverts by the broader society. If you are sitting at a corporate dinner meeting with a bunch of fellow suits, you might get away if you admit to alcohol or tobacco addiction, perhaps even get some sympathy. Tell them you have a porn addiction and see how much sympathy you will get! You are lucky to keep your job, I would imagine. At least the society is slightly less uptight when it comes to porn now. 30 years ago, I don't think many people admitted to watching porn ever, but mere watching is not considered taboo now but addiction is still looked down upon.

Lets face it - it is easy to act macho and put down others about their addiction. If you are addicted to your tobacco you might think that is hard to quit cold turkey but still be judgmental about a porn addict. And a teetotaler porn addict would recognize it is hard to quit watching porn in toto but think that the alcohol addict is a weak minded person. We are all hard wired to have high opinion of self and look down on the weaknesses and negatives of others.

[Polyamorist]

https://www.taunus-therme.de/en/

Is a popular place but is a train trip out of Frankfurt.

As for Airbnb type. Local tourist info sites have lists of "fewo" - ferienwohnung. Which in practice mean short term let's exempt from the laws for rented accommodation. The problem is that it is a lot of effort contacting each property individually and often it needs German language skills. In the past I have had some success.

So have I. Make sure you have a translate plugin for your browser, find the municipal website for a town near Frankfurt, and look for a list of fewo. Use Google Translate for enquiries. It's high season now, so maybe that's why Airbnb isn't working for you Sayyid Kowboy. But holiday apartments seem to be a booming business in Germany.

Suggested touristic motto for Hessen: "We don't suck like we used to, even if you wish we did".

[Optimist]

https://www.taunus-therme.de/en/

Is a popular place but is a train trip out of Frankfurt.

As for Airbnb type. Local tourist info sites have lists of "fewo" - ferienwohnung. Which in practice mean short term let's exempt from the laws for rented accommodation. The problem is that it is a lot of effort contacting each property individually and often it needs German language skills. In the past I have had some success.

[SaratogaX]

Porn is an addiction. If you were a hardcore addict and were able to stop cold and kick your habit, you are a better man than I.

A few years ago, I received a job offer that paid nearly 40% higher comp. W / better tax too. Happened to be in a country that is a bit totalitarian and where porn watching is illegal, and even if caught using vPN etc penalty could be severe and not merely monetary. Passed on the offer. Not just due to porn paucity but can't deny that porn played a factor.

It's an addiction on par with everything else out there. It's sinister in a way since you need decent amount of self awareness to notice all of it's effects.

Wouldn't that job be a perfect opportunity to actually kick the habit? I would've taken that job but maybe, just maybe I don't understand the level of your addiction.

I want to mention something that I think it's interesting. Last time when I came back from FKK trip, I sat back at my porn station and thought to myself how the fuck can I be addicted to this type of thing. I thought of all the american men who are addicted to this crap and completely unaware that they can get a real thing just a flight away. And guess what. Since I don't have full time girlfriend these days, I relapsed in about a week.

Anyway, I want to mention few things about this forum. I started reading it occasionally recently and I am quite impressed by number of you. Number of you are spectacular writers and number of you have some serious depth to your thoughts. Carry on.

[Kosher Kowboy]

A day pass to a non-sexual sauna is less than 20 E in Europe.

Polyamorist thanks for bringing this up. On my longer trips I have booked I am looking to take some days off even a day trip and specifically maybe have a few days where I can ' spa by day and Gypsy by night' since I could enjoy spa facilities and eat well than enjoy red couches at night or if in another area maybe find a Club there.

Do you or anyone else have any suggestions or links for any day spas, maybe with sauna / steam / massage / indoor warm pools maybe even hot springs.

Here is the link to a place I always go after skiing or rafting in Colorado on the way back to Denver. This is just one of many in the state. They have underground caves with natural hot springs water at 107,110 and 115 degrees. Normal standard hot tub temps are in the 100-103 range in comparison. Denver is 6,000 feet elevation and the hot springs as you head west on I-70 or north up to Winter Park or Steamboat only get higher and rapidly. I am guessing if Germany has anything like this it might be in the Alps.

http://www.indianhotsprings.com/

One other off the wall question, are there any German Air B & B type sites, not finding what I want on ours; than again I don't know the surrounding areas well either but want to be no more than 3-4 stops from the Frankfurt Train Station

Thanks.

[Pistons]

Well I was thinking maximum entry fees for the guys. Girls should only pay for the food 10 e. If even that. Due to reasons you mention.

One or two well known clubs have realised this to some extent. Oceans as an example in the beginning for one. And perhaps they still have some incentives as it is perhaps the club who gets the most new girls trying out the club.

[Polyamorist]

Al-salaam Pistons, I think so highly of you, you are almost like half an Arab to me!

But entry fees is a problem as it chips away from the total pool of money floating around. The pie is static, and the more money floating towards the girls and not the clubs, the more girls, the more punters will come.

Exactly. Exactly. The girls are an asset to the clubs, not a cost. If there are no girls, there is no business and the clubs earn nothing.

But a certain amount on entry is fair given the desire to have the amenities available at the clubs.

A day pass to a non-sexual sauna is less than 20 E in Europe. So this is the max the girls should pay. I would stick with 10 E because the girls don't use the sauna facilities so much. Sure, the FKK does more in terms of managing the girls, but this is a service to the polar bears so it is fair that we should pay it with our entry fees.

A while back guys here were saying that German girls and other Western Europeans didn't find it worthwhile to come to FKKs because of inflation. They were saying that the half-hour rate should be raised from 50 to 60 E. Well, I don't know if that's true, but if entry fees for girls were abolished or reduced to the minimum, then this would cover that. And any girl could show up and see if she could be a star. A new girl gets a lot of attention. It would all be very encouraging.

To take it even further -- and this is where some members will really be foaming at the mouth -- a case can be made that girls shouldn't be paying the clubs, it should be the other way round. The FKKs should pay a fee to a girl on any day she chooses to show up, on the basis that she adds lustre to the club in the same way that a porn star or band will be paid to appear. Again, this does not imply an employer-employee relationship -- especially if we get rid of the five / six days a week requirement, and a girl can just show up on what days she chooses.

I wouldn't be surprised if some clubs have already figured out all this, but they are too exclusive to advertise to the likes of us.

[Bfsie]

Golden Time is not the only club which has its door policy, Luder Lounge has the same door policy as Golden Time's. LR has its door policy, but not strictly enforced.

[Pistons]

Indeed, there are bigger concerns than ethnicity. Something I feel is no big issue at all. Only a few clubs it can pose a problem. But that is not due to optics, but to do with cartels and upsell strategies. But I will just avoid those clubs. Still unsure about when to retry Oase from the current suspension I gave the club.

But entry fees is a problem as it chips away from the total pool of money floating around. The pie is static, and the more money floating towards the girls and not the clubs, the more girls, the more punters will come.

But a certain amount on entry is fair given the desire to have the amenities available at the clubs. Many of us are in this for the FKK experience. And wouldn't dream about travelling for a brothel only.