East China - Shanghai

[Midwestern]

May I add Wenli64 u to your report: A very honest and reliable good looking contact.

Gregory.

Yes, I can vouch for Wenli as well. She is honest and reliable. Before she advertised on here, GB shared her contact with me and it helped me survive the crackdown. Thanks, GB.

[Midwestern]

When I bring up these good deals to show anything can happen, I was getting a lot of crap. One guy in particular saying things like. She can't be pretty, she must be old, you didn't pay that. Etc. Etc. But why do I need to lie to a bunch of faceless screen names? I didn't bother putting that in my last post. I was told by a local that 800 short time is possible almost all girls. (about 18 months ago). this is not what i have found , maybe i am too easy.

Keep in mind, the lower you go the more resentful the girl could be. This is a transaction where you want the girl happy. I have found way overpaying doesn't help however. . Keep it fair, don't be a pushover.

There is also a piece of this that is personal. Some girls will go with certain races but don't want to. They tend to charge more for them. I am not saying its right. But it happens it's usually not a prejudice to the race but to the actions. Some girls have had certain multiple experiences that have made them not want to go. (more than one guy of a certain race is rude, abusive or tries to renegotiate in the room). This makes them not want to go or at least charge more for it. That is why some guys can do better than others. It's probably the same if you are not attractive or really fat. The girl is thinking about that fat guy on top of her. They do like to breathe. Haha.

I don't name the race because I am not bashing or being prejudice. I have confirmed this on my own and Steven from the old SNG told me the same thing over a beer. some of his girls would avoid these types..

Yeah, I don't know why some bash each other on here. Those that say you are lying about getting a bargain once in a while are exactly the kinds of people that the women are avoiding and will quote a higher price to. However, I guess understand when some bash each other for paying too much. It raises the prices for all of us.

BTW, Sam, what do you do between pops? After one pop, I just want the girl to fucking leave. What do you do for 20 minutes? Ignore her while you're drinking a beer and watching TV? LOL. Just curious.

Anyway, are there any FS MPs left in Shanghai? There used to be some for 500 tip. All gone now?

[NightLife17]

BTW, what's up with NLO only being down to 7 girls? They once had about 25. I don't understand some girls quitting, because why not keep the option open?

Coco, the hotline girl is taking a 'leave of absence'; maybe for 2 months, maybe longer. Which means I don't have someone who can act as a middle man (. Woman). Means all the Chinese girls are out of the picture for awhile, even though girls like Cherry & Baby are still working. (So if someone really wants; drop me a mail). Besides that in this summer period, there is very less customers. So apologies for that. I am not a huge experienced monger like a lot of people here; I am definitely not Steven. So it's harder for me to find new girls already. Any suggestions are always welcome. (One of the members here recently gave me a good contact; it is hugely appreciated).

I hope things pick back up in September. Again apologies.

[SamCan]

First of all, thank you.

Second, I noticed that the prices at Judy's were cheaper. Last night, Friday Night, I got an initial offer for a 6 & 7 together for 1500 rmb. I wasn't interested as I had my eyes on someone else but I could have easily negotiated that down to 1100-1200, for 2 girls!. I took a hottie 8-9 for 800, unlimited pops, came 3 times.

You're welcome.

Yes, I have gotten better prices and my standard negotiations has always been a target of 1000/2 pops. If I want the girl and can't get the price, I will pay more. I have only paid 1500 once when I was brand new to this 5 years ago and it was for an overnight. I negotiate the pops before I leave the bar. It scares some girls away but I'm not left wanting. If I don't want or can't do 2 pops, well they win. I have seen guys get 5-6's for 600-800 RMB. I have landed a solid 8 (that banged like a 9) for 800. I had already brought a girl to my room which was nearby. I went back to just have a beer as the night was young. This girl kept hitting on me as I was the only guy alone. I kept telling other girls no. She was desperate. It was her first time and night in shanghai. It was 1 am and had no one yet. I think she was trying to hard I told her I already had popped twice and didn't have it in me. Finally she said "what you pay?" I said 800, she said ok and off we went for a really good session. I tried to hook up again but it just didn't work out.

When I bring up these good deals to show anything can happen, I was getting a lot of crap. One guy in particular saying things like. She can't be pretty, she must be old, you didn't pay that. Etc. Etc. But why do I need to lie to a bunch of faceless screen names? I didn't bother putting that in my last post. I was told by a local that 800 short time is possible almost all girls. (about 18 months ago). this is not what i have found , maybe i am too easy.

Keep in mind, the lower you go the more resentful the girl could be. This is a transaction where you want the girl happy. I have found way overpaying doesn't help however. . Keep it fair, don't be a pushover.

There is also a piece of this that is personal. Some girls will go with certain races but don't want to. They tend to charge more for them. I am not saying its right. But it happens it's usually not a prejudice to the race but to the actions. Some girls have had certain multiple experiences that have made them not want to go. (more than one guy of a certain race is rude, abusive or tries to renegotiate in the room). This makes them not want to go or at least charge more for it. That is why some guys can do better than others. It's probably the same if you are not attractive or really fat. The girl is thinking about that fat guy on top of her. They do like to breathe. Haha.

I don't name the race because I am not bashing or being prejudice. I have confirmed this on my own and Steven from the old SNG told me the same thing over a beer. some of his girls would avoid these types.

I point this out only to say there is a lot that goes into what you pay. That is why being nice and OCCASIONALLY being the guy willing to buy a drink doesn't hurt. If you are of that particular race, it shows you are not one of "them" and you are different. I have even bought drinks for girls I have seen in the past but don't plan to take them that night. it just to let them know I still like them. They understand if it's not going to be their night with me, just like they are not waiting for just me.

Samcan.

[Midwestern]

Reading recent posts about Judys and Manhattens almost makes me miss the days when I used to do takeout actively. Did it for 9 years mostly in Singapore. Ipanema for girl next door quality and Brix for slightly better quality. The drill at Judys and Manhattens sound identical. But I no longer am intetested in being in loud bars, being out past 11 pm, yelling at ripoff cab drivers, being gouged on beer prices, and walking into the hotel lobby with an obvious WG (when I was younger the WGs could pass for my wife or GF but I am now in my 50's so it is obvious the WG is a WG, haha). But I do miss Viets. Hottest women on the planet IMO. Anyway, these days it is too hot to fuck. Haha. But really, this weather has killed my libido. BTW, what's up with NLO only being down to 7 girls? They once had about 25. I don't understand some girls quitting, because why not keep the option open?

[Steve 9696]

SamCan has all the details right on the button. I would only add that, to me, the music at Judy's was deafening, so I find Manhattan more appealing. Worth checking both of course. They are like two blocks from each other.

And I highly recommend taking a cab to The Blind Pig, which is literally less than a block from Manhattan, where you can have a starter drink and get up your energy to run the gauntlet (good food too). Most of us aren't used to being a worshipped object of desire. Get ready to feel like an Emperor and pick you a concubine or two. If you can't tell, I love it!

[Ravij]

Usually I would tell you RTFF but I am in a charitable mood.

Judys is a bar that is 80-90% Vietnamese with 10- 20% Chinese, Kenyan and other countries occasionally, it's a pick up bar in that all girls are WG and want you to take them back to your hotel / apartment. They are ready to leave when you are and will come to you if alone in the bar.

You don't have to buy drinks as they are the same price you would pay they are not higher for the girls, they don't get a cut. I buy a few drinks to lighten the mood and enjoy the night. I used to never do that and still walked out with any girl. I don't see where it's made any difference on what they want to charge me. Don't feel you have to..

First of all, thank you. I have learned all this info the hard way but for someone new to the site, all this has to be scraped off in pieces and its a lot more intimating than you think.

Second, I noticed that the prices at Judy's were cheaper. Last night, Friday Night, I got an initial offer for a 6 & 7 together for 1500 rmb. I wasn't interested as I had my eyes on someone else but I could have easily negotiated that down to 1100-1200, for 2 girls!. I took a hottie 8-9 for 800, unlimited pops, came 3 times.

Also, I found Judy's quality to be higher last night than Manhattans. More 9's than usual. I also find Judy's a little less claustrophobic but I guess that's personal preference.

My only other issue with either places is its hard to select one because you know there is someone hotter out there, and you don't want to settle. Same issue as with Barney in HIMYM.

[SamCan]

Hey guys,

Visiting Shanghai for business tomorrow and I have a free evening. I'm enticed by the sound of Judy's but I have a few questions.

1. Do you buy the girls drinks or am I confusing this with other places?

2. People have implied the girls rub up on you. Where does this happen? Are there dark and sticky corners for these sorts of antics? Tipping for this is few hundred RMB? Do they bring you to completion for that or are you tipping a girl for just some heavy petting?

3. Short time private room is on site or do you take girls off site? 1000-1500 negotiated with the girl? Room included?

4. Chinese girls or all foreign? What's the quality like?

5. Prime time? Is 7 or 8 pm to early for the action described above?

Thanks in advance.

Usually I would tell you RTFF but I am in a charitable mood.

Judys is a bar that is 80-90% Vietnamese with 10- 20% Chinese, Kenyan and other countries occasionally, it's a pick up bar in that all girls are WG and want you to take them back to your hotel / apartment. They are ready to leave when you are and will come to you if alone in the bar.

You don't have to buy drinks as they are the same price you would pay they are not higher for the girls, they don't get a cut. I buy a few drinks to lighten the mood and enjoy the night. I used to never do that and still walked out with any girl. I don't see where it's made any difference on what they want to charge me. Don't feel you have to.

They rub up against you, sometimes have let me finger them if they had a dress on (rare). I have after drinks with them reach over and kissed cleavage. Grabbed their butts. They have held my little guy through my jeans (OTC) or rubbed their butt up against him to get me horny. This is all to get you to take them out the door. It's flirting, you don't have to pay for it but if you are tying them up, they can't make a living. Some guys tip them for this. I tend not to as it used to be free, now sometimes they want you to pay for the time. The Chinese guys do it and girls flock to them more since they started. Foreign men are less interesting to them now because we don't tip for that like the chinese guys do.

No private rooms, take a cab back to your place with the girl. Short time can run 1000-1500. After you are done they will ask you for an extra 100 for taxi money. Expect that and figure it in to your bill before you leave the bar.

The price is based on how beautiful they are, how rude you are, how long you want them. I have usually gotten girls that are 7's and 8's for 1000 with 2 pops. I have paid more but rarely less. The 9's know they are 9's and hold out for closer to 1500. If you don't like the price, move on and ask another. I have gotten 7's and 8's for 1500 all night but I prefer to sleep alone so I really don't do that anymore. Prices can be lower Sunday, Monday and Tuesday night. I have had girls tell me. It's Saturday night, that's Sunday night price when I offered too little. I was there in January this year and these are the prices I paid.

The place doesn't even open until 930. The place is dead until 10 pm. The action is 10:30 to 1 am. If you see a girl you like then, take her. She may not be around after that. Typically after 1 am you are getting the girls that aren't as pretty or on their second time around.

I have taken more than 2 dozen from Judy's / Manhattans (maybe 3 dozen). I have had more good times than bad.

There are a couple ladyboys but they are pretty obvious. If you are not sure. Check the package before your final deal and walking out of the bar.

Good luck.

[MrClark203]

Hey guys,

Visiting Shanghai for business tomorrow and I have a free evening. I'm enticed by the sound of Judy's but I have a few questions.

1. Do you buy the girls drinks or am I confusing this with other places?

2. People have implied the girls rub up on you. Where does this happen? Are there dark and sticky corners for these sorts of antics? Tipping for this is few hundred RMB? Do they bring you to completion for that or are you tipping a girl for just some heavy petting?

3. Short time private room is on site or do you take girls off site? 1000-1500 negotiated with the girl? Room included?

4. Chinese girls or all foreign? What's the quality like?

5. Prime time? Is 7 or 8 pm to early for the action described above?

Thanks in advance.

[GregoryB]

May I add Wenli64 u to your report: A very honest and reliable good looking contact.

Gregory.

My 2 cents of risk reward.

Sauna: get to see the goods and select with no b\S. Downside totally exposed to the relationship of the establishment and law enforcement, Year see the girl but it's a assembly line and if she is hot will do 5 customers a day.

Bar like Judy or Manhattan, again get to see the goods but totally Wild West as to quality and unless you rent a hotel she is back in your den with all its associates risk. Pick a dishonest lady and you are SOL.

NLO or Rain: they have some reputation to upkeep. Yes Rain can appear crazy but she is $ hungry and won't screw the hand that feeds her unless coerced. With Rain don't mess around and just be direct and you'll be fine! Rain seemed to survive the last crackdown so at least has a track record. Yeah you have photoshopped girls in best light but once you find your favorite couple you are set so to speak..

[Ravij]

My 2 cents of risk reward.

Sauna: get to see the goods and select with no b\S. Downside totally exposed to the relationship of the establishment and law enforcement, Year see the girl but it's a assembly line and if she is hot will do 5 customers a day.

Bar like Judy or Manhattan, again get to see the goods but totally Wild West as to quality and unless you rent a hotel she is back in your den with all its associates risk. Pick a dishonest lady and you are SOL.

NLO or Rain: they have some reputation to upkeep. Yes Rain can appear crazy but she is $ hungry and won't screw the hand that feeds her unless coerced. With Rain don't mess around and just be direct and you'll be fine! Rain seemed to survive the last crackdown so at least has a track record. Yeah you have photoshopped girls in best light but once you find your favorite couple you are set so to speak.

Wechat / or other online: b / S and Wild West even more surprises unless you pick up a long referenced lady like Beverly or Cathy or other well reviewed lady..

Well, I just got blocked by Rain. I told her I'l making a booking for tomorrow, will confirm time a few hours ahead, but my meetings ran late the next day, so I told her I can't make a booking tonight, and then bham. LOL.

Anyways, interested in trying out Manhattan / Judy's tonight. Anyone interested? Looking to find thai ladyboys in one of them?

[Tyb60]

My 2 cents of risk reward.

Sauna: get to see the goods and select with no b\S. Downside totally exposed to the relationship of the establishment and law enforcement, Year see the girl but it's a assembly line and if she is hot will do 5 customers a day.

Bar like Judy or Manhattan, again get to see the goods but totally Wild West as to quality and unless you rent a hotel she is back in your den with all its associates risk. Pick a dishonest lady and you are SOL.

NLO or Rain: they have some reputation to upkeep. Yes Rain can appear crazy but she is $ hungry and won't screw the hand that feeds her unless coerced. With Rain don't mess around and just be direct and you'll be fine! Rain seemed to survive the last crackdown so at least has a track record. Yeah you have photoshopped girls in best light but once you find your favorite couple you are set so to speak.

Wechat / or other online: b / S and Wild West even more surprises unless you pick up a long referenced lady like Beverly or Cathy or other well reviewed lady.

Can say Rain has delivered 100% as has NLO. Girl shows up on time and is as pictured with a few caveats of course, and others have had the largest disappointments, YMMV.

Stay safe bros.

[Ravij]

Agree! For more than 300 us$/hour, only 1 pop is a robbery.

Do you mind sharing her info? Do you see PM? Thanks in advance.

I don't mind sharing but my subscription ran out and for some reason, all my cards were denied to renew it. Will figure it out. She's back in Vietnam anyways and will be back in 2 weeks.

[Ravij]

Your right hand is the safest. Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Rain posting your info, police raids on saunas and MPs.

There's risk in all of it. I think safetywise manhattans / judy's is the safest option.

1200 RMB vs 2 weeks in Jail? It's still cheap.

Rain can post my info all they want, wechat ID made from dummy email / phone number. But I understand the sentiment.

I don't find takeout to be that safe because you have no guarantees of the girl running away with your wallet etc. I prefer NLO / SNG types of services because someone usually has reviewed and the probability is lower than other cases.

[MrClark203]

Was there on a business trip and hit up a WeChat contact from awhile back. The location was close to Hongqiao Airport. Above a Pizza Hut.

I had a preview of their lineup before. 1400 1800 2100 2400.70 minutes.

When I arrived, went to the lineup room. Maybe about 15-18 girls. All very nice but the cutest was a skinny girl in tight jeans and heels. When I picked her, she got flustered, and I said. If you don't want to go with me, I'the rather pick someone else. I'm 6'4 big guy. Mamasan told her I was a good guy and so we went.

Upstairs. Big bed with shower bed room. Girl turned out to be 18 years old. Working for 4 months. Hot body but light in the skills department. Shower bed. Not great. Followed by CBJ. I finished quick looking at her right body not due to her skill. Cuddled a little. She went back to another CBJ and then tried to mount me. I'm fairly big for a small Chinese girl so she had a rough time and I was clearly hurting her so we went back to CBJ and playing around.

Finished a second time with her grinding on me in reverse cowgirl. Lots of small talk in Chinese. 2100 total damage. I would certainly try other girls at that local. Maybe go with someone more experienced. Sometimes I forget that the hottest girls are the least experienced and my type. Spinners - can't always handle my girth.

Overall good experience. I find that you really need to have at least conversational Chinese to get the best experience.