German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Pahllus Maximus]

The educated here may ponder when the Yuan and Greenback are seen as the worthless symbols they are. Water, food, oil and sex will be the real currency. Even land is mostly worthless without the financial instruments that monetizes it and the economy. Compare Detroit say 1960 and 2018. Shanghai was a village in 1984. Traditional hydrocarbon based 1 person to 1 car is already soon be obsolete, and eventually women will demand the right to sell whatever they have to sell openly. I would not be so sure. The alcohol prohibition ended. The drug prohibition is slowly ending or unenforceable and hookers I think will be next. The need to get money flowing is the same reason gambling is OK. Hooker spend locally. Las Vegas money is sent straight to Wall Street and from there to feckless capital markets.

Uber for pussy. Searchable ratings, geolocation, reliable money exchange and no need for pimps.

[Pahllus Maximus]

In 1984 had I said phones in your shirt pocket and so on, people would laugh at me as a crank. Just look at the last 10 years of changes. Serious foreign and economic policy as a brain fart on twitter. There is a lot of fragility in the US social contract and institutions and the states are in direct competition to survive as is the population as the permanent reality of mass structural unemployment, weak wages and poverty dawns on the population. As will be the reality of unfunded pensions. Morality. Or ideology. Rapidly changes in the face of undeniable economic realities. I for one can see changes coming, such as implicit encouragement of soft drugs to keep the population stoned and docile when they figure out the lifestyle they ordered is out of stock. The social / economic Darwinism is yet to play its logical conclusion. It will start small, like Indian reservations or somewhere with nada like Louisiana or the now ecologically destroyed Dakotas. The addiction to tax is that great. There are no blushes in congress.

Sex globalization already exists and will continue as the futility of forming a viable traditional 2. 1 births per female economic household dawns on most people is a passport to crushing poverty. This suits the 1% who can get rid of troublesome and possibly dangerous, resource draining surplus people save for a minimal service staff and a few pretty things for entertainment.

[Bfsie]

I feel the fact prostitution is illegal in the US is the main point that keeps the price inflated.

I wrote in my post:

4. If the prostitution is illegal in the country where the girl works. She would add X amount to her price for legal risk.

It depends on how severe legal punishment in a country is for prostitutes if they get caught. More severe the legal punishment is, higher risk premium (amount) the prostitutes would add to their prices. I don't think that the fact prostitution is illegal in the USA is main reason to drive the price inflated in the US because the legal punishment for prostitutes in US is not severe at all. I would like to quote a part of Takedown's post as follows as a part of my response to you:

Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada and prices are still inflated at a minimum of 300/ hour for girls who are 6's and 7's. It's $500+ for the few girls who even would be in the top 25% of FKKs.

My sense is that the stigma towards prostitutes in USA is the main force to inflate the price in the US.

[Mr Ho]

But then the dogmatic change wouldn't have been dogmatic enough. Even Germany has a long way to go in order to liberalise it more. It is just the lesser of the worst evils.

I think we had the peak of sexual liberation in Germany till last July when new law kicked in. It was paradise for men and even AO was allowed. For such low price.

I hope Germany will bring back the whole thing to as it was before last July, but I unfortunately doubt they will or make the whole thing worst, thanks to feminist and me too movement kinda organizations.

Aren't we all fortunate to experience over 10 years of mongering at its peak of liberation in Germany or I would say even in recent history. I mean only king and some other real privileged figure has such Harem like environment and we monger had it for reasonable price for such Harem like set up. This was the peak I unfortunately think.

Sunny side is that we still have it kind of and in surrounding nations to Germany we still have few places as it was in Germany till last July. So sun set has not come yet.

[Mr Ho]

It is. That were times (15 years ago) when there were few clubs in Germany, 50 EUR were still worth something and when average income in Poland, Czech and Hungary was a lot lower than now. So girls came to Atlantis and German FKKs. And German girls were still seeing it as a good income. Economy was roaring, many guys spent a lot of money on girls. Many girls were making 2 k or more per day.

Some girls from Asia, Africa, South America, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. Some of them married to EU members to get papers, other have been working illegally. That was one of the reasons why Atlantis was closed. Then things changed dramatically when Ro and Bu joined the EU. At least regarding the mix of nations at the clubs.

More EU joining by Eastern European countries are better for FKK line up, I wonder which country is next to join EU and FKK line up.

Thanks god that Eastern European countries are among the most beautiful girls concentrated area to my taste.

[Kosher Kowboy]

KK posted about sugar babies who are willing to sleep for $300 an hour or more and it can still be hit and miss.

For any fellow Americans headed the way of sugar babies, seeking P4 P arrangements on those type sites cover your tracks as always better safe than sorry. I can not verify if true or not but one guy stateside thinks he had a possible encounter with law enforcement and another claims of an Oregon bust on one of these sites. Real or imagined? To be determined. Probably paranoia but you never know.

I am not sure, just passing it along. It wouldn't shock me if they are using these other sites to try to make a name and flex their muscle to eliminate the mass wave of prostitutes now on them in light of recent legislation here. Those sites are infested with them now, matter of time until those sites prune profiles.

[Mr Ho]

Legalizing prostitution in US will remains to be a dream and illusion. I think that talking about it is a waste of time and legalizing prostitution in US is not going to happen probably in our lifetime. I would like to use this opportunity to talk about prostitutes' pricing which is complex issue and I should talk in some of my previous posts, but I was too lazy to do that until now I have some time.

In my opinion, the main fundamentals and determining factors of prostitute's price are:

1. How difficult a man can get sex with a girl in real life in a society this girl grew up. For example, in real life in the USA, a man usually has to have at least two dates (could be more) with an American girl before he would have sex with this girl. Let's say each date costs the man $50 and the man has to spend minimum $100 (for two dates) on the girl to get sex with her, so this American girl would set her fundamental price $100..

If men in America shoot freely with their sperm in such format as German FKK, then there will be less shooting with guns.

I really do think there is relation between good sex and anger management etc. I mean let say after good sex with beauty, the last thing you want is any kind of disturbance related to violence or negative things.

[Rogue Nation]

But the FKK concept is not as dependent on economic inequality as many here assume. FKK Atlantis had a roaring business long before Romania joined the EU, and before that Bernds was doing well off local girls.

It is. That were times (15 years ago) when there were few clubs in Germany, 50 EUR were still worth something and when average income in Poland, Czech and Hungary was a lot lower than now. So girls came to Atlantis and German FKKs. And German girls were still seeing it as a good income. Economy was roaring, many guys spent a lot of money on girls. Many girls were making 2 k or more per day.

Some girls from Asia, Africa, South America, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. Some of them married to EU members to get papers, other have been working illegally. That was one of the reasons why Atlantis was closed. Then things changed dramatically when Ro and Bu joined the EU. At least regarding the mix of nations at the clubs.

[Chongmal]

Legalizing prostitution in US will remains to be a dream and illusion. I think that talking about it is a waste of time and legalizing prostitution in US is not going to happen probably in our lifetime. I would like to use this opportunity to talk about prostitutes' pricing which is complex issue and I should talk in some of my previous posts, but I was too lazy to do that until now I have some time.

In my opinion, the main fundamentals and determining factors of prostitute's price are:

1. How difficult a man can get sex with a girl in real life in a society this girl grew up. For example, in real life in the USA, a man usually has to have at least two dates (could be more) with an American girl before he would have sex with this girl. Let's say each date costs the man $50 and the man has to spend minimum $100 (for two dates) on the girl to get sex with her, so this American girl would set her fundamental price $100. If a girl comes from a poor country in South America where average income of people is much lower and a man there could get sex with this girl after spending minimum $40 on her and is working in US, she would set her fundamental price $40, instead of $100 which a local American girl would set..

You make some interesting points, but I feel the fact prostitution is illegal in the US is the main point that keeps the price inflated. Remember, university costs a lot. If you come from a poor family the dream of higher education seems so unreachable. A majority of university graduates finish with debts greater than one years salary. One of the largest recruiting insentives for the US military is the promise of a place to live, food and assistance with repayment of university costs. Let's not forget the occasional one year tour to war zones to help build character. There are many beauties, working minimum wage. If it was not illegal, I'm sure that many would choose $100-150 per hour. After all, as I read about the trends in the US, it is now acceptable for young women to date several generous older men who provide expensive gifts.

I'm sure the trick is finding the balance between the $10 drug addict WG and the $500 and higher overpriced WG.

My opinion on legalization falls along the far fetched side. There is too much money to be made due to prostitution being illegal and this price point keeps the rich people in power from having to share women with the commoners.

[Pistons]

Bfsie: I agree on your points, but you left out the competitive regional and global factor where guys are very mobile and can travel the world for p6, as well as the global supply of p6 girls.

[Pistons]

If for some miraculous reason a dogmatic change sweeps across the US legalizing prostitution, I think at best the prices would normalize at 100/ half hour. The only way it would flourish is if immigration policies relax and the clubs become worked by loads of Mexican girls.

Even if legalized, brothels would have to be far outside the cities because they would not be in practice allowed to do business in town. Most US municialities aren't even giving out permits for strip clubs anymore. Can anyone even think of a brand new strip club that openned in the city limits of their city in the past 20 years? Atlanta and NYC has had zero new strip club openings.

But then the dogmatic change wouldn't have been dogmatic enough. Even Germany has a long way to go in order to liberalise it more. It is just the lesser of the worst evils.

[Bfsie]

Legalizing prostitution in US will remains to be a dream and illusion. I think that talking about it is a waste of time and legalizing prostitution in US is not going to happen probably in our lifetime. I would like to use this opportunity to talk about prostitutes' pricing which is complex issue and I should talk in some of my previous posts, but I was too lazy to do that until now I have some time.

In my opinion, the main fundamentals and determining factors of prostitute's price are:

1. How difficult a man can get sex with a girl in real life in a society this girl grew up. For example, in real life in the USA, a man usually has to have at least two dates (could be more) with an American girl before he would have sex with this girl. Let's say each date costs the man $50 and the man has to spend minimum $100 (for two dates) on the girl to get sex with her, so this American girl would set her fundamental price $100. If a girl comes from a poor country in South America where average income of people is much lower and a man there could get sex with this girl after spending minimum $40 on her and is working in US, she would set her fundamental price $40, instead of $100 which a local American girl would set.

2. What is the culture and stigma with regards to prostitutes in the country the girl grew up. For example, an American girl would add say $100 to her fundamental price because of strong stigma of prostitutes in American society. A Gypsy from Romania may add zero dollar to her fundamental price because her culture may be well tolerated to prostitution.

3. How romantic and attractive normal mongers in the country where the girl works. Obviously in real life the girl wouldn't go out with most of her mongers who are usually old and unattractive. So she would add another X amount to her fundamental price for having sex with unattractive men whom she normally wouldn't have sex with. More mismatched between the girl and mongers (i.e. better the girl looks), more amount to be added to her fundamental price.

4. If the prostitution is illegal in the country where the girl works. She would add X amount to her price for legal risk.

5. Some other factors, some of which could be discount factors to her price (LOL), for example that if the girl is drug addict, she might need quick money for her drug addiction and lower her price in order to get the money right away.

Fundamentally, after adding (or subtracting) all the above factors together, final price should be her price.

[Pistons]

In most countries, you are able to give other people gifts up to a certain amount per year without needing to pay taxes on it. Tipping is also a no-tax economy. And then you have the sharing economy: no taxation at all.

In essence the girls should never have to pay taxes. And if they are forced to, how can the regulators ever know how much money they made?

Answer: they cannot. And if they do force through some tax on the girls, they are abusing human right laws on surveillance. Because nobody will know if the girls made 0 or 10 rooms this night. And any night without cameras or a high level of surveillance involved.

The only reason girls would want to pay the basic tax at around 8% would be if they wanted to build up a pension in Germany. But that is comparable to a savings account, and is thus not an expense in the long run.

[Polyamorist]

But the glaring omission is where men fit into this picture, and why men apparently irrationally sacrifice their lives to this form of modern day serfdom, getting for the most part loveless marriages, being sexually unsatisfied and having entitled brats and being chained to a job for 40 or more years. As opposed FKK type arrangements.

Salaam Biggus Dickus, and barak Alabama! There are some great ideas in your posts. I am guessing you would be a fan of "The Fountainhead".

Generally speaking, I think that America is a place where young men are set up to fail, at least in terms of relationships. Check out Jordan Peterson's critique of feminism if you haven't already, and also "The War Against Boys" by Christina Hoff Summers. What happens is that many guys are so beaten down by the system that they are ready to accept any relationship at all, including the bad deal that marriage has increasingly become, and don't properly explore their options.

About your idea for US FKKs: the barrier to FKK adoption is not economic, it is ideological. As long as half the human race sees FKKs as being opposed to their interests, they will not gain widespread acceptance. Instead of celebrating the advantages of social dumping, we should be talking about how FKKs benefit women and not just men. Many Romanian girls have had opportunities they would never have dreamt of if they had stayed in their own countries. But the FKK concept is not as dependent on economic inequality as many here assume. FKK Atlantis had a roaring business long before Romania joined the EU, and before that Bernds was doing well off local girls.

[Mr Ho]

Which FKKs have the biggest amounts of black WGs?

I'm very fond of black women, that why.

There is a half black girl called Valeska in Artemis, I think that was her name, she is beauty, half black girl raised in Germany, I am not into black girls, but I even decided to session with her. She is good heart person and provide good service.