German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[BaltiX]

You can find plenty of German working girls if you know where to look.

Polyamorist may have hit the nail on the head. The US seems to me to be a federation of many tribes barracking whether sports teams, political parties and especially labels like rig / left anti and pro life etc. This is also very shrill and many have a strong tendency to get the state involved to further whatever cause they have by laws. And to that a large dollop of puritanism, denial and hypocrisy. And this is probably the key factor, irrational ideological tribalism. Yet that (eventually) gives way to the real idol of the USA, money and greed. Wall Street and Washington is the real story. So is the rust belt of offshoring for a quick labor cost arbitrage play. The growth in casinos and gambling are a case in point. Or the utterly destructive short term oil wildcatters that have more or less destroyed the Dakotas and other parts of the country with highly toxic chemical or even radioactive isotopes. They privatize the hoped for oil profits and socialize the pollution. This actually screwed up those states land for short term cash donations etc. Paper. Rock. Scissors. Laws, Ideology and Money. Money controls laws and trumps in the end. But yeah, Takedown is right, P4P prolly not in our mongering lifetime. Religious nut jobs and ignorance is politically too powerful..

In Canada prostitution still flourishes in parts of Canada (Ontario and Quebec). Denmark is the only Scandinavia country with an active sex scene.

[McAdonis]

Good for you Sybarite, but can you remember being 20 years old and finding it hard to find a date in college. What were all the beautiful girls doing? Fucking fifty years olds. Why would they bother with a brokeass 20-year old when they could get $500-1000 for a day with an experienced guy.

On a Saturday night in just about any major city in the world, one can go out and see 20 year olds girls flirting with (and presumably fucking) broke ass 20 year old guys. To make money with a 50 year old, that requires maybe one night a week of effort and maybe a few text messages during the week.

I signed up with a sugar daddy website as I heard its a big thing I the States. Within hours of signing up I was getting numbers of beautiful college girls who were willing to be my 'companion' for an evening or the weekend. I decided to go with one girl, an art student in San Francisco, about 20, a 8 by FKK standards, for 300's for the evening.

After drinking we fucked, including BBBJ and anal, DFK and then had sushi in bed. The girl slept in my bed and left early in the morning. All for 300 dollars.

Thats better price than German FKK! People here have reported that those sugar daddy sites have been infiltrated by veteran WGs, but I can't imagine a veteran WG that knows the market rates would charge such a lower price.

The widely accepted definition for sugar babe that I have always heard is a girl that sleeps with only a few sugar daddies at any one time. Her price may be $1000 a night, but it is not offered to everyone. She's looking for networking opportunities as well. So in your case, your art college sugar babe may have been looking for someone who is influential in the world of art.

[McAdonis]

It is. That were times (15 years ago) when there were few clubs in Germany, 50 EUR were still worth something and when average income in Poland, Czech and Hungary was a lot lower than now. So girls came to Atlantis and German FKKs. And German girls were still seeing it as a good income. Economy was roaring, many guys spent a lot of money on girls. Many girls were making 2 k or more per day.

Were the WGs who were making "2 K or more per day" still happy to 50 EUR /30 min sessions? 2 K would be lots of sessions, lots of extras, or very generous tipping.

"2 K per day" in 2003 is probably more than what top WGs make in 2018 both in nominal and real terms (adjusted for inflation €2,544.27). So if true, customers on average paid better. There were more whales in 2003.

The idea that mongers paid better in the past is echoed by two German WGs I spoke to recently. One is a MILF who was actually active in 2003. She knows first-hand how good customers were back then. However, we can also say that the reason she was paid better in 2003 was due to her being younger and prettier. The other WG is mid-20's and above-average in terms of popularity, but she tells me her mother was a WG and she grew up knowing other WGs.

[Mr Ho]

As for the best balance (development, laws, safety) Germany, Netherlands, Japan are good. Spain too. Thailand OK but has a bit too much crony capitalism IMHO. Most of the Scandinavian countries are good provide you don't do P4 P. Italy is also OK but is currently sexually repressive. Our lot needs to keep our money and tax planning international like corporations but also our lifestyle and sexual expression to countries that respect poeples' freedom of operation.

I would involve some Scandinavian nations in those nations you mentioned too, taxes are too much, but I do see hope in their ideal, though it does not work as their ideal itself, but pragmatic practical organization and implementation can be figured out by Germany and Japan, who are good at implementing ideas into reality and keep revising it to better realistic format with promptness.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Polyamorist may have hit the nail on the head. The US seems to me to be a federation of many tribes barracking whether sports teams, political parties and especially labels like rig / left anti and pro life etc. This is also very shrill and many have a strong tendency to get the state involved to further whatever cause they have by laws. And to that a large dollop of puritanism, denial and hypocrisy. And this is probably the key factor, irrational ideological tribalism. Yet that (eventually) gives way to the real idol of the USA, money and greed. Wall Street and Washington is the real story. So is the rust belt of offshoring for a quick labor cost arbitrage play. The growth in casinos and gambling are a case in point. Or the utterly destructive short term oil wildcatters that have more or less destroyed the Dakotas and other parts of the country with highly toxic chemical or even radioactive isotopes. They privatize the hoped for oil profits and socialize the pollution. This actually screwed up those states land for short term cash donations etc. Paper. Rock. Scissors. Laws, Ideology and Money. Money controls laws and trumps in the end. But yeah, Takedown is right, P4P prolly not in our mongering lifetime. Religious nut jobs and ignorance is politically too powerful.

So yeah, in the usual way people change the wine bottle label but it is still the same bottle. So sugar daddies is the new backpage, but still a lot of skulking around and talking vaguely in case of LE sticking their noses into men and women wanting to carry out the most central and basic biological imperative of nature. Unless shimmied within a narrow set of sanctioned conditions heavily biased to the lock in contract of economic household formation and female fertility of 2. 1 economic units for the purposes of consumption and payment of taxes. The age of consent is yet another restriction. And so on. I assuming reasonable levels of consent and civility here. So we pretend rather than confront the real issue of why there are so many shrill, warring tribes desperate to use the legislature to impose their will on others. For example, on this site, Jackson is having headwinds with payment thanks to the latest shrill knee jerk reaction of stopping P4P, something our president knows plenty about but signed into law.

Germany has the same end goal, but does not feel the need to have cops intruding into peoples lives over a shag. One is tempted to say Germany learned the hard way where ideology and lack of tolerance leads too.

The upshot is, being able to engage in business, access to capital, expression of ourselves in religion, sex, politics and lifestyle without state surveillance and jack booted thugs or crony capitalism is core to where to live. Germany has a pretty good balance. A partial list of the places to avoid as at 2018 are Poland, Hungary, USA, Russia, Iran and Iraq and North Korea and China. I would sadly add to that Australia and Canada that are fast heading towards repression and a rigged capital / tax system. Canada just adopted the Nordic model and is selling out to dark money. The UK is borderline. France is a trainwreck for many reasons. This is not happy news, it is a tragedy.

As for the best balance (development, laws, safety) Germany, Netherlands, Japan are good. Spain too. Thailand OK but has a bit too much crony capitalism IMHO. Most of the Scandinavian countries are good provide you don't do P4 P. Italy is also OK but is currently sexually repressive. Our lot needs to keep our money and tax planning international like corporations but also our lifestyle and sexual expression to countries that respect poeples' freedom of operation.

[Kosher Kowboy]

I dont think many guys here (when they were young and had little money) were willing to fuck fat old ladies for 50 bucks.

There is at least one

There are not many German girls either in FKKs.

I wish there were more, I guess will have to hunt harder, I give myself an " F" for that. However, the handful I have had the pleasure of meeting all fall in to my top 10 sessions since I started going, easily. Some even served it up ' Gypsy Style. ' My sessions with German girls have always been great, not sure why.

Either way, I am happy.

[Member #4581]

Hamdulillah Sayyid Nation. There is much greater economic inequality in the US than in Germany. So, by narrow reasoning, there ought to be much better sexual relations between men and women in the US than in Germany. In fact, the opposite is true, and Germany is where FKKs first flourished. I say again: it is not about economics, it is about ideologies. And especially good will and tolerance for alternative lifestyles.



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There are not many German girls either in FKKs.

The disparity is between Germany and other EU members, especially Romania and Bulgaria. Poland and Czech Republic are poorer than Your favorite Alabama and Arkansas but now the FKKs don't even have many Polish or Czech girls.

I seriously think many mongers here are detached from reality (I am not talking about you, Sayyid Poly). People here seem to think that if a girl is poor enough, she is willing to prostitute. I dont think many guys here (when they were young and had little money) were willing to fuck fat old ladies for 50 bucks; but for some reason they think the mental and emotional calculus is drastically different for women.

There are indeed many girls who are willing to fuck for money (lucky for us) but many many more who will not.

[Mr Ho]

The educated here may ponder when the Yuan and Greenback are seen as the worthless symbols they are. Water, food, oil and sex will be the real currency. Even land is mostly worthless without the financial instruments that monetizes it and the economy. Compare Detroit say 1960 and 2018. Shanghai was a village in 1984. Traditional hydrocarbon based 1 person to 1 car is already soon be obsolete, and eventually women will demand the right to sell whatever they have to sell openly. I would not be so sure. The alcohol prohibition ended. The drug prohibition is slowly ending or unenforceable and hookers I think will be next. The need to get money flowing is the same reason gambling is OK. Hooker spend locally. Las Vegas money is sent straight to Wall Street and from there to feckless capital markets.

Uber for pussy. Searchable ratings, geolocation, reliable money exchange and no need for pimps.

Also sex in AI virtual reality environment with some kind of robot will be kicking in soon, taking masturbation to whole next level.

[Polyamorist]

But the FKK concept is not as dependent on economic inequality as many here assume. FKK Atlantis had a roaring business long before Romania joined the EU, and before that Bernds was doing well off local girls.

It is. That were times (15 years ago) when there were few clubs in Germany, 50 EUR were still worth something and when average income in Poland, Czech and Hungary was a lot lower than now. So girls came to Atlantis and German FKKs. And German girls were still seeing it as a good income. Economy was roaring, many guys spent a lot of money on girls. Many girls were making 2 k or more per day.

Hamdulillah Sayyid Nation. There is much greater economic inequality in the US than in Germany. So, by narrow reasoning, there ought to be much better sexual relations between men and women in the US than in Germany. In fact, the opposite is true, and Germany is where FKKs first flourished. I say again: it is not about economics, it is about ideologies. And especially good will and tolerance for alternative lifestyles.

Interesting discussion about FKKs and prostitution in the USA. I was in California last year on business and I signed up with a sugar daddy website as I heard its a big thing I the States. Within hours of signing up I was getting numbers of beautiful college girls who were willing to be my 'companion' for an evening or the weekend. I decided to go with one girl, an art student in San Francisco, about 20, a 8 by FKK standards, for 300's for the evening. After chatting on Whatsapp we went for dinner at a vegan restaurant, she was one of those hippy types! And then back to my hotel room where we called in room service and I was shocked when alcohol was not allowed to be ordered as part of it! So I popped down to the local store and bought a bottle of Veuve Clicquot champagne and ordered in sushi using Uber food service to my hotel room.

After drinking we fucked, including BBBJ and anal, DFK and then had sushi in bed. The girl slept in my bed and left early in the morning. All for 300 dollars.

I think it's the new 'normal' in dating and will be become increasingly so with the year 2000 born and laters.

Good for you Sybarite, but can you remember being 20 years old and finding it hard to find a date in college. What were all the beautiful girls doing? Fucking fifty years olds. Why would they bother with a brokeass 20-year old when they could get $500-1000 for a day with an experienced guy.

Would I want a son of mine to grow up in this kind of environment, deprived of female company in his most lustful years? Would you?

[Mr Ho]

Interesting discussion about FKKs and prostitution in the USA. I was in California last year on business and I signed up with a sugar daddy website as I heard its a big thing I the States. Within hours of signing up I was getting numbers of beautiful college girls who were willing to be my 'companion' for an evening or the weekend. I decided to go with one girl, an art student in San Francisco, about 20, a 8 by FKK standards, for 300's for the evening. After chatting on Whatsapp we went for dinner at a vegan restaurant, she was one of those hippy types! And then back to my hotel room where we called in room service and I was shocked when alcohol was not allowed to be ordered as part of it! So I popped down to the local store and bought a bottle of Veuve Clicquot champagne and ordered in sushi using Uber food service to my hotel room..

So this sugar daddy site do have real photos of beauty, if so I want to go and monger in California, I do prefer USA as destination than Germany, so if the site is as good as FKK quality of girls, then I want to try out.

[Mongerer88]

Very interesting stories. I am sure all of these USA Ladies can't wait for there to be an FKK in the USA where they can live where they work, walk around naked the entire time, and get $50, $100, $150 or so a session, fuck several different guys during the long shift, and hope the guy she just fucked says good things about her to the other guys on the floor.

I can't believe this was really a topic. The German FKKs work due to a convergence of low-income women from Eastern Europe who face a weak local market for their services in their home countries, and the close proximity of Germany and its acceptance of immigrant labor. It works well in Germany and the surrounding countries, but doesn't export well.

North America and other parts of Western Europe have a fine system of commercial sex. It is just expensive. Guys who can't, or won't, pay the market prices are certainly free to travel to much lower cost places, including Germany and South America. Many US guys on the east coast choose to travel to Montreal and a lot of Californians do Tijuana. A lot of guys do a little of everything. They occasionally monger in their home markets, and certainly look forward to business and vacation trips to lower cost locales.

Really folks, what would be the advantage of big FKKs in the USA? Nothing is stopping a USA Guy from answering the multitudes of sex worker ads and sugar baby in the USA Reasonable screening and research can assure both parties that law enforcement is not involved. Does the government really need to approve a great big facility and give a stamp of approval for sex? Should the USA Government really allow female temporary workers from very low-income countries to work at the hypothetical US FKKs to keep the prices low so that a low-income guy can get affordable sex without traveling?

I just can't get myself to think that way.

Interesting discussion about FKKs and prostitution in the USA. I was in California last year on business and I signed up with a sugar daddy website as I heard its a big thing I the States. Within hours of signing up I was getting numbers of beautiful college girls who were willing to be my 'companion' for an evening or the weekend. I decided to go with one girl, an art student in San Francisco, about 20, a 8 by FKK standards, for 300's for the evening. After chatting on Whatsapp we went for dinner at a vegan restaurant, she was one of those hippy types! And then back to my hotel room where we called in room service and I was shocked when alcohol was not allowed to be ordered as part of it! So I popped down to the local store and bought a bottle of Veuve Clicquot champagne and ordered in sushi using Uber food service to my hotel room..

[Pistons]

I can see it happening in USA actually. Just not in our generation. But perhaps in 30 years. Just looking at liberalization trends across Europe and other parts of the world when it comes to atheism should be an indicator. In this sense USA is lagging behind. And there could also be setbacks, but we can all hope.

[Sebastiane]

Interesting discussion about FKKs and prostitution in the USA. I was in California last year on business and I signed up with a sugar daddy website as I heard its a big thing I the States. Within hours of signing up I was getting numbers of beautiful college girls who were willing to be my 'companion' for an evening or the weekend. I decided to go with one girl, an art student in San Francisco, about 20, a 8 by FKK standards, for 300's for the evening. After chatting on Whatsapp we went for dinner at a vegan restaurant, she was one of those hippy types! And then back to my hotel room where we called in room service and I was shocked when alcohol was not allowed to be ordered as part of it! So I popped down to the local store and bought a bottle of Veuve Clicquot champagne and ordered in sushi using Uber food service to my hotel room.

After drinking we fucked, including BBBJ and anal, DFK and then had sushi in bed. The girl slept in my bed and left early in the morning. All for 300 dollars.

I also had offers from girls who were 9's, including beautiful Armenian and Persian girls, and also a blonde from Texas but they wanted 500 $ (the Texan 700's) for 24 hours. One girl I agreed 24 hours for 1000 $ with and she was a blonde 10 and leggy but unfortunately she bailed on me and left me hanging at the steak house where we were meant to meet. The point is I didn't find it hard to get P4P in the USA as long as you call it sugar dating. According to an article I read in one of the US papers online most girls who use Sugar Dating are college girls.

I think it's the new 'normal' in dating and will be become increasingly so with the year 2000 born and laters.

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[Takedown]

The educated here may ponder when the Yuan and Greenback are seen as the worthless symbols they are. Water, food, oil and sex will be the real currency. Even land is mostly worthless without the financial instruments that monetizes it and the economy. Compare Detroit say 1960 and 2018. Shanghai was a village in 1984. Traditional hydrocarbon based 1 person to 1 car is already soon be obsolete, and eventually women will demand the right to sell whatever they have to sell openly. I would not be so sure. The alcohol prohibition ended. The drug prohibition is slowly ending or unenforceable and hookers I think will be next. The need to get money flowing is the same reason gambling is OK. Hooker spend locally. Las Vegas money is sent straight to Wall Street and from there to feckless capital markets.

Uber for pussy. Searchable ratings, geolocation, reliable money exchange and no need for pimps.

Possibe? Yes. Will it happen in your mongering life time? I give it a 10% probability, max.

[Pistons]

Not going to mention many examples, but illegal / legal is definitely not a price mover. I have seen prices drop in places it got illegal, and vice versa. One thing that can affect prices is institutionalising it in brothels, and slapping taxes on it. Although I still feel the tax thingy is a bit fringe and easy to avoid unless I missed something.