FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[UltraHappy]

Almost all my recent 1 hour sessions have been less than an hour at Sharks, I've noticed it more the last few months than before. Normally the girl starts packing up after about 40 - 45 minutes and gets up says "let's go or shall we go?" I could say "No" and demand an hour but somehow I imagine if I did that the last 15 minutes would be a bit awkward. The rooms have been so hot recently, I've not been too upset at getting turfed out early to be honest.

How did the girl know that you weren't going to stay 2 hours?

If you told her ahead of time that you were only staying an hour, then it seems to me that you created the opportunity for her early departure.

Relative to your specific situation, I think there are 2 big differences:

1. being prepared to stare down and accept the strife that comes with it.

Most guys don't like strife and unpleasantness in a sex session.

In my situation, we never have the opportunity to get into a pissing match or the unpleasantness of me "forcing" a girl to stay an extra 15 minutes in the room, because the girl never packs up early in the first place, because as I've explained many times before, the girl never has any idea how long we will be in the room. Therefore, she has no opportunity to know when the appropriate time to start packing up would be, because there is never any moment when she knows whether we will be leaving during the current half hour or 2 hours from now. This is my experience even in clubs where I am completely or mostly unknown like Sharks.

The girl can only suggest an early departure if she knows ahead of time when the guy is planning to leave. Therefore, this behavior by the girl can only occur if the guy willingly enables it.

[Be Wilder]

My man isn't that Lithuanian Karina you're thinking of? That description fits her to a t. Latvian Angelika is not very tall and has shark's biggest butt.

No it was definitely Angelika and she does have the largest and wobbliest arse going. Guess my description about her being tall may have misled you but easy to get mistaken with the high heels. Back later this week and as mentioned, I did find Angelika strangely very erotic so may repeat if she's still around though possibly in a threesome if she has a young girlfriend willing to do some mother / daughter roleplay!

[Saturn11]

Almost all my recent 1 hour sessions have been less than an hour at Sharks, I've noticed it more the last few months than before. Normally the girl starts packing up after about 40 - 45 minutes and gets up says "let's go or shall we go?" I could say "No" and demand an hour but somehow I imagine if I did that the last 15 minutes would be a bit awkward. The rooms have been so hot recently, I've not been too upset at getting turfed out early to be honest.

[Member #4581]

Your original question UH was "how do the girls ever shortchange a guy on time, how can it happen?" So, I provided one explanation and scenario. There may be many others. It is not a justification. And being short changed on time pi$$es me to no end. I don't care if they don't give DFK, DATY, dada because they are not mandated by clubs rules; but if I pay for 30 min I am entitled to 30 min.

Sadly and I am prepared to lay down any large bet on this, if you average over *all the sessions in Oase and Sharks in a month*, a 30 min session actually last less than 25, and perhaps even closer to 20. That is just the reality.

Relative to your specific situation, I think there are 2 big differences:

1. being prepared to stare down and accept the strife that comes with it.

2. Being a well known member and selecting new girls carefully.

Most guys don't like strife and unpleasantness in a sex session. Hard core career mongers are different, but this is true over the total population in my view. Here the girls are at an advantage. Sex is a business to them and not personal; and if they create the strife and play out their drama, it would succeed with a large majority. Yes, every once in a while they come across someone strong like you, but statistically they are in good position if it works on even 50% of men. Paying 50E for 30M is 1.67E per min, for 25 M is 2E per min, and for 20m is 2.5E per min. Effectively, they raised their prices by 50% if they reduced session length from 30m to 20M. That is a price hike for which they don't mind creating some unpleasantness and strife. Especially if the guy is not known, who they think is unlikely to repeat because he is a tourist, or they think is too weak willed and likely to accept with a smile.

Secondly, if this happened in every single room with you, even you might tire of such a situation but your regular attendance and careful selection preclude that prospect. If a tourist has to achieve the same level, he has to invest as many attendances, as many sessions to become equally known. In other words, this is like a perk that comes to a million mile passenger and not to the first time flier.

[Saturn11]

One thing I did notice was a lot of the Teeny Boppers (18 to 20 year olds) were no longer there including Linda and her brunette friend. Hopefully does not have anything with new laws or regulations.

Her brunette friend was Magda, they left early January but I don't think it had anything to do with the new regulations. Those 2 were in inseparable when they weren't in a room. I miss Magda.

[ExpatLover]

Just for information, my experience is exactly bthe same as UH. Although I do, when I decide it is appropriate, make surprise "thank you" extra payments with girls I am a regular customer for and who give something special.

Girls who start asking about extra time or make false timings reduce their chances of earning more than 50 to almost zero.

But like Jnpr30, a couple of regular girls have told me that girls don't like to have to do the full 30 minutes. What next?. Why not pay 50 euros without going to the room. I am sure the girls would like that.

I think you a veteran of the P6 scene, especially the young and new girls are willing to finish as fast as possible and to leave the room, fortunately this happen to me very rarely just because I am behaving like a gentleman, respecting the girls, taking my time, asking questions, listening to their answers and minutes after minutes the girls are opening their mind, feeling better and better and not willing to leave but rather to extend.

Just try to make a kind of ratio, percentage of girls willing to be fucked like a dog, *****, in their ass, percentage of girls willing to be treated like a woman, with respect, with attention.

So many are willing to go out with me, even have a relationship, no because I am rich or beautiful just because I am listening to them, respect leads to respect and obviously the service that I am getting is at least what I think far better than for many other mongers.

[Optimist]

Just for information, my experience is exactly bthe same as UH. Although I do, when I decide it is appropriate, make surprise "thank you" extra payments with girls I am a regular customer for and who give something special.

Girls who start asking about extra time or make false timings reduce their chances of earning more than 50 to almost zero.

But like Jnpr30, a couple of regular girls have told me that girls don't like to have to do the full 30 minutes. What next?. Why not pay 50 euros without going to the room. I am sure the girls would like that.

[UltraHappy]

It is not so much that the girls know how much time you want to spend in the room, but that they want to process the guys fast. First, to 60% of the girls (perhaps even higher) 30 minutes no longer means 30 but more like 20 or 23. So, by the 15th to 20th minute, they either would like to finish you or start making noises that you are coming close to the end of time and would you like to extend? I wear a watch and make a show of looking at my watch when I enter the room but that doesn't seem to matter. They cheat blatantly and claim only 5 minutes are left when I know I still have 10 to 12 on the clock. If you happen to extend to an hour, they do the same charade from the 40th to 45th minute.

I don't talk ever talk about extending to the next half. If they were to ask, I would just make clear that I pay for how long we stay in the room. If we stay half an hour, I pay half an hour. If we stay an hour, I pay an hour. If we stay 5 hours, I pay 5 hours. Thus, it doesn't make sense for them to ask me if I am going to "extend or not. " I would not respond to those types of questions other than to say that I will pay how long we stay in the room. Normal.

If I am in the room and girl did say something silly like, "You have only 2 minutes left" (when I really have 15 minutes left) -- though I have not observed this personally -- then, I would simply ignore her comment, let her know that I will pay her how long we are in the room, and continue to stay in the room however long I want. Then, at the lockers, I would pay her the correct amount, corresponding to how long we were in the room, and if she doesn't like me paying her the correct amount, then we can go to Reception.

A girl can get away with time cheating only if the man lets her. It doesn't matter what the girl claims the time is. You can just stay in the room how long you want and when you get to the lockers, you just pay her how long you were in the room.

If a girl tells me every five minutes that my next half hour is up, I'm not going to pay her 250 Euros after spending 25 minutes with her in the room. If we actually spent only 25 minutes in the room, I will hand her a crisp 50 Euro bill (despite the fact that she claimed we spent a half hour every five minutes).

You don't pay a girl for the time she "claims" you were in the room with her -- You pay her the time you were actually in the room with her. If I'm in the room with a girl for 1 hour and she claims that we were in the room for 2 hours, I will still naturally pay her for only 1 hour (not for her claimed 2 hours).

These are all hypothetical scenarios though because I can't remember these sorts of situations happening. I am just saying what I would do in the scenarios being described here.

[Member #4581]

It is not so much that the girls know how much time you want to spend in the room, but that they want to process the guys fast. First, to 60% of the girls (perhaps even higher) 30 minutes no longer means 30 but more like 20 or 23. So, by the 15th to 20th minute, they either would like to finish you or start making noises that you are coming close to the end of time and would you like to extend? I wear a watch and make a show of looking at my watch when I enter the room but that doesn't seem to matter. They cheat blatantly and claim only 5 minutes are left when I know I still have 10 to 12 on the clock. If you happen to extend to an hour, they do the same charade from the 40th to 45th minute.

Yes, you can stay back in the room till the last minute or take her to the front desk but what can you do when majority of the girls pull this slimy stunt? The mood goes down fast. Just have to live with it, as another sign of service degradation in the clubs.

I usually stay till at least last 4,5 minutes but I also know some of the girls are not so happy. Tough luck. But some other guys may be less willing to put up with the whiny girls and would rather leave the room.

Roxana asked me "you always stay till the last minute? Girls don't like it you know?! 30 minutes is really 20 min, may be 22". And that is after I was with her many times. Refreshingly honest, Roxana is 😎😎

I think you don't run into these issues UH because you are well known and perhaps you select new girls (to you) very carefully and perhaps those girls know what to expect with you from their friends. I know you say you are less known in Sharks but even there perhaps you are much more of a regular than most guys. But almost guaranteed that the same girls who give you good service and stay till you give OK are hustling the touristy types and cheating them on time.

[Pistons]

Never been because too far on a week end, from Paris, but I thought Artemis was a good level, big club, with good girls like Geraldine. Hu. My lovely friend Liz. De is ex Artemis. Upselling land?

One can say a lot about Artemis, but it is not upselling land. Unless it just started being so this year that is.

[UltraHappy]

So it might be the girl you pick but it might as well be your own fault because of lack of communication.

You seem to misunderstand my post. I was not complaining about girls cutting my sessions short. You might want to reread the posts below.

[Optimist]

Turgid. Thank you for your report which cheers me up by confirming that it is still worth looking for the good girls. I am so soft I would probably have repeated several times with her as a thank you to her LOL.

[Turgid]

So there I was relaxing on the couch, drink in hand, soaking in the ambiance and enjoying the parade of nubile bods. Then I spied her blonde, enticing enough face, not skinny but not fat, just the way I like them. She had accosted me in the past but I didn't bite for some reason, I thought to myself. I looked at her and from the distance she pointed her index finger to me and then to herself repeating the gesture a few times as these girls are wont to do inquiring whether we could have relations. Usually I ignore them when they do this (just come up to me and chat, I won't bite you!) however, I had been in the club for 2 hours and had not yet had a session so I nodded to her. She came and plopped down beside me. In the introductory remarks I asked where she was from and she refused to respond and it dawned on me that I had spoken to her on other occasions and she did the same thing which probably had a role in my previously declining her. Her pre-room chit chat was not very encouraging. However, a room was overdue and when she asked what she could do for me I enlightened her as to all my thrills. She nodded in acceptance and I responded half hour, fifty euros she agreed and we were off to the zimmer.

It was very hot and I had in mind a room with a window to which we headed; on the way I spied a fan in another room, grabbed it and plugged it into my room of choice. So with breeze from within and without the logistics were agreeable. As soon as we were naked on the bed she shoved her tongue into my mouth and a smile came to my mind; this portends a good session. I was wrong, it was a great session! Her BBBJ was unrelenting. I rewarded her with 69 during which she deep throated me at which point I closed my eyes and thought I had been transported to Brazil.

She partook of CFS like a real trooper, no fake moans but genuine enjoyment in numerous positions which she enthusiastically agreed to and even initiated. I thought to myself that I would extend it to a 1 hour session but with her at the corner edge of the bed lying on her side and me with legs spread apart on the floor pumping her while holding up her head with my right hand and DFKing her at the same time my soldiers came rampaging on towards the breach, dear friends. I knew it was within the half hour mark, indeed it was about 28 minutes.

Ten years ago I would have tried for a second round but I knew I could not manage that especially after battles in recent days. So off to the lockers we went. This girl definitely deserved more than 50. I remember having in my wallet in addition to my 50 E notes, 30 euros. At the locker I realized I had used a 20 with a fifty to pay the entrance so in fact I had 15 euros. I thought whether to tip her 50 euros or 15. Without much thought I tipped her 15 euro which she heartily accepted.

On my way to the showers I thought that the 15 e tip was manifestly unfair as I had done much more and had greater enjoyment in that half hour than all the 100 euro sessions I had done since May. I am here for another few weeks and I really think I should somehow rectify that with this lovely bombshell.

[ExpatLover]

Maybe it's all because of the different behave off race and type of people. In general Germans for example don't need to stay in the room and talk after their finished. For what I understand they are very clinical. They do their thing and when they finish they leave and don't fill the rest of the time talking. So there might be more things for the girls that are very common with some type of men. For the girls it's also a guess like this. What type of man is this, what does he want? If a men don't express him self the women does not know what he wants and takes the most easy way and goes out of the room as soon as the man is finished. But girls also know that their are men who need this so. Communicate to the girl that you want to fill the rest of the session.

And she might stay thinking if she stay's to the end and treath's her client well she might have a regular client.

So it might be the girl you pick but it might as well be your own fault because of lack of communication. This might be the key why some guy's have totally general experience then other guys. Communication or the lack of it or some might just attract the wrong types, the women who go for the quick bucks.

I think that you are wrong most of the germanvguys will stay the full time in the room contrary to many guys from UK, Ireland, Russia, US etc. Who will leave after the things are done.

[Kempie]

I am really flummoxed by all these people who are claiming that the girls are ending their sessions early because (1) this never happens to me and (2) I am quite puzzled as to how this is occurring in the first place since this can only happen if the man decides ahead to announce his intention regarding room time -- which naturally leads me to the following questions: (1) why would a guy communicate ahead of time a time cap to his girl? And (2) how does the guy know ahead of time that he isn't going to have such a good time that he isn't going to want to stay longer than his supposed pre-determined time cap?

Me, I never know ahead of time how I long I want to stay in a room. Thank goodness FKK isn't a prepay system -- otherwise, I'd have to keep going out to my locker every half hour!

In my experience, the girls I go with don't ever suggest leaving the room because (1) they want to stay in the room and keep earning money (or so I assume) and (2) they can't suggest when to leave because they have no idea how long we will stay in the room.

And yes, I don't always use the full time up to the next half hour increment, but to be clear, this is because I choose to leave early, not because the girl has called time or imposed some sort of time cap.

Maybe it's all because of the different behave off race and type of people. In general Germans for example don't need to stay in the room and talk after their finished. For what I understand they are very clinical. They do their thing and when they finish they leave and don't fill the rest of the time talking. So there might be more things for the girls that are very common with some type of men. For the girls it's also a guess like this. What type of man is this, what does he want? If a men don't express him self the women does not know what he wants and takes the most easy way and goes out of the room as soon as the man is finished. But girls also know that their are men who need this so. Communicate to the girl that you want to fill the rest of the session.

And she might stay thinking if she stay's to the end and treath's her client well she might have a regular client.

So it might be the girl you pick but it might as well be your own fault because of lack of communication. This might be the key why some guy's have totally general experience then other guys. Communication or the lack of it or some might just attract the wrong types, the women who go for the quick bucks.