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[Mr Ho]

BBBJ technique among other sexual technique of top FKK girls are divine level that most normal girls who has not such many dicks as FKK girls cannot provide actually.

Sometimes, in one hour session girl actually suck my dick for almost 40 minutes non stop and I wonder. How their jaws can cope with such a physical activity and I am not the only client for her of that day. It is amazing what human body can adjust to environment, I cannot suck pussy for 40 min.

[Chongmal]

I am not a lawyer and don't have an opinion on whether sate courts tend to side with state legislatures / whether it is easier to get a favorable verdict in state courts vs federal courts. But to the extent that prostitution is not legal at the national level but is legal in a specific state like NV, it is clear that our justice system has taken the stance this is a state matter, and that precedent has been set. Courts, especially the conservative high court we currently have as UH said don't like to legislate but interpret and rule on established law, and unless the law is changed at the national level, we are not likely to have nationwide legal prostitution through courts alone.

As for state legislatures OK'ing prostitution NV is a special case. Smaller state, somewhat libertarian mindset of the population, etc. I think it is only possible in similar such states. Something in the West, sparsely populated where the people have more libertarian view points. East of Mississippi this is almost impossible in my view. Perhaps Montana, or Wyoming or some other state like that? I don't know how it will be any different or better than what we already have in NV at the moment. So, I come back to the view that US is unlikely to see development of FKK style systems for at least dozens of years. May be with an entirely different generations of people in future?

Even in Nevada, prostitution is only legal in a limited county. For example, even though WGs are plentiful in Vegas or Reno, don't get caught soliciting. As for the possibility of Montana or Wyoming, I think that you are off base as these areas are still quite red, even given the heavy migration from crowded states like California. I think I will settle down in Washington or Oregon and start the campaign. It has to be in a poor county outside the major city economic sphere and run the campaign at the county level instead of state or national. Then if it passes I will start a club using the German model.

[Member #4581]

UltraHappy,

I didn't mean that sex workers have any reasonable chance in Federal court system. I actually think that they have almost zero chance in both state and federal count systems because this kind of matter usually is legislation matter and the courts don't want to involve in it. What I meant was that, if we really want to pick the court systems as a way to legalize prostitution, Federal court system is better option to do it than state court, which I still believe.

As I wrote in my initial post on this topic, I think that legalizing prostitution through state legislation is the best option to achieve legalization of prostitution in the US. This requires the residents of the state to make their voices heard by their lawmakers, which I encouraged the posters and readers to do.

I am not a lawyer and don't have an opinion on whether sate courts tend to side with state legislatures / whether it is easier to get a favorable verdict in state courts vs federal courts. But to the extent that prostitution is not legal at the national level but is legal in a specific state like NV, it is clear that our justice system has taken the stance this is a state matter, and that precedent has been set. Courts, especially the conservative high court we currently have as UH said don't like to legislate but interpret and rule on established law, and unless the law is changed at the national level, we are not likely to have nationwide legal prostitution through courts alone.

As for state legislatures OK'ing prostitution — NV is a special case. Smaller state, somewhat libertarian mindset of the population, etc. I think it is only possible in similar such states. Something in the West, sparsely populated where the people have more libertarian view points. East of Mississippi this is almost impossible in my view. Perhaps Montana, or Wyoming or some other state like that? I don't know how it will be any different or better than what we already have in NV at the moment. So, I come back to the view that US is unlikely to see development of FKK style systems for at least dozens of years. May be with an entirely different generations of people in future?

[UltraHappy]

Salaam all, just wondered if there are any US Constitutional Scholars among us, and if so:

How many cases have been brought before the Supreme Court defending man's inalienable right to the "Pursuit of Happiness"?

Or is the constitution just a piece of dead paper anyway.

Which Supreme Court? The Supreme Court of the United States?

There are quite a lot of US Supreme Court opinions dealing with prostitution in some fashion. To read all their opinions, just go to https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court and type in the keywords you want to search like, "prostitution. " This will reveal all their opinions.

But, warning, most of them make for quite boring reading and many deal with esoteric legal issues.

None of them unfortunately contain what you are looking for, that is, no shreds of hope. Sorry.

[Polyamorist]

Salaam all, just wondered if there are any US Constitutional Scholars among us, and if so:

How many cases have been brought before the Supreme Court defending man's inalienable right to the "Pursuit of Happiness"?

Or is the constitution just a piece of dead paper anyway.

[UltraHappy]

As I wrote in my initial post on this topic, I think that legalizing prostitution through state legislation is the best option to achieve legalization of prostitution in the US. This requires the residents of the state to make their voices heard by their lawmakers, which I encouraged the posters and readers to do.

You, sir, are a brilliant man!

[Bfsie]

UltraHappy,

I didn't mean that sex workers have any reasonable chance in Federal court system. I actually think that they have almost zero chance in both state and federal count systems because this kind of matter usually is legislation matter and the courts don't want to involve in it. What I meant was that, if we really want to pick the court systems as a way to legalize prostitution, Federal court system is better option to do it than state court, which I still believe.

As I wrote in my initial post on this topic, I think that legalizing prostitution through state legislation is the best option to achieve legalization of prostitution in the US. This requires the residents of the state to make their voices heard by their lawmakers, which I encouraged the posters and readers to do.

[Bfsie]

I believe the interest groups and social workers were the ones in DE and NL that triggered legislative action. This ultimately led to the legalization of prostitution. Their motivation was to improve the working conditions of WGs. Stop pimping. Stop trafficking. They considered it a human rights issue. Just as is the case whenever a marginalized group is exploited.

I agree with you.

[McAdonis]

Our best hope is for state legislative action, triggered by female sex worker interest groups. But, I am personally skeptical of that happening any time soon in the current US political / cultural climate.

Then again, if thousands and thousands of female sex workers come out tomorrow and start campaigning for the rights of female sex workers, I will be quite pleased to be wrong.

I believe the interest groups and social workers were the ones in DE and NL that triggered legislative action. This ultimately led to the legalization of prostitution. Their motivation was to improve the working conditions of WGs. Stop pimping. Stop trafficking. They considered it a human rights issue. Just as is the case whenever a marginalized group is exploited.

[Ortos]

The US Federal court system has become overwhelmingly conservative due to appointments by Republican presidents (and by the Republicans blocking Democratic appointments during the previous Democratic presidencies when the Republicans retained control of the Senate).

They've turned to the Dark Side, I tell you.

[ShooBree]

The US Federal court system has become overwhelmingly conservative due to appointments by Republican presidents (and by the Republicans blocking Democratic appointments during the previous Democratic presidencies when the Republicans retained control of the Senate).

The most recent Federal court case on this subject was decided earlier this year: http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor.../16-15927.pdf..

The Ninth Circuit, which is the most liberal Federal circuit in the US, decided that there is no protectable right to associated commercial sex (but rather only personal sex relationships absent commercial transactions). With this recent decision by the most liberal Federal circuit in the US behind us now, I hate to break it to you, the chance of any Federal circuit court deciding otherwise is next to nil in our lifetimes.

Continuing to vote Blue this November and each and every election will help matters, but this is a long process that will have to occur over time. Remember that federal judges are appointed for life. The damage inflicted by the Red voters will persist for years and years, at least in the Federal court system.

I would love to be proved wrong on this point, but I am highly skeptical that any Federal court will offer us relief in the area of decriminalization any time in the next 30-40 years.

Voting blue won't help as the feminist democrats will never allow prostitution to be legalized.

Of all presidents Trump is the one most likely to be pro-prostitution.

[UltraHappy]

The only way that the US sex workers can do to decriminalize prostitution successfully through the court system is to fight through US Federal court system on the ground of human right.

The US Federal court system has become overwhelmingly conservative due to appointments by Republican presidents (and by the Republicans blocking Democratic appointments during the previous Democratic presidencies when the Republicans retained control of the Senate).

The most recent Federal court case on this subject was decided earlier this year: http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor.../16-15927.pdf..

The Ninth Circuit, which is the most liberal Federal circuit in the US, decided that there is no protectable right to associated commercial sex (but rather only personal sex relationships absent commercial transactions). With this recent decision by the most liberal Federal circuit in the US behind us now, I hate to break it to you, the chance of any Federal circuit court deciding otherwise is next to nil in our lifetimes.

Continuing to vote Blue this November and each and every election will help matters, but this is a long process that will have to occur over time. Remember that federal judges are appointed for life. The damage inflicted by the Red voters will persist for years and years, at least in the Federal court system.

I would love to be proved wrong on this point, but I am highly skeptical that any Federal court will offer us relief in the area of decriminalization any time in the next 30-40 years.

Our best hope is for state legislative action, triggered by female sex worker interest groups. But, I am personally skeptical of that happening any time soon in the current US political / cultural climate.

Then again, if thousands and thousands of female sex workers come out tomorrow and start campaigning for the rights of female sex workers, I will be quite pleased to be wrong. I recognize that I am just playing my own personal game of crystal ball.

[Bfsie]

I don't know about the US.. In my country there was a few years ago a proposal seriously considered to introduce the Nordic model. The parliamentarians considering it received an unexpected amount of correspondence objecting, on the grounds that it would lead to increased exploitation of women. The opponents won the day and ensured that the Nordic model in my country was stopped, at least temporarily.

Politicians listen to campaigners if they are vocal and numerous enough, and have a good case.

And yes, I did write. Several times

I completely agree with you. Politicians listen to campaigners and the people they represent. In the US, I think that the state legislation for legalization of prostitution remains to be a viable option, which requires the residents of the state to make their voices heard by their lawmakers.

I think that the state court almost always sides with the state for these kinds of cases initiated by a handful of people (sex workers in this case) because these people don't represent the residents and the interests of the state. The only way that the US sex workers can do to decriminalize prostitution successfully through the court system is to fight through US Federal court system on the ground of human right.

[Optimist]

I totally agree. I don't see any trend towards legalization of prostitution at all. Can anyone name one US congressman / woman or US senator, including from state of Nevada, who is openly pro-legalization of prostitution? That tells us something. I would suggest that the posters, who spent some time to write paragraph after paragraph on this subject on this forum, spend some time to write to their lawmakers for their districts and write here to encourage the US readers to write to their lawmakers on this subject. That would be much more productive for legalization of prostitution in the US.

I don't know about the US.. In my country there was a few years ago a proposal seriously considered to introduce the Nordic model. The parliamentarians considering it received an unexpected amount of correspondence objecting, on the grounds that it would lead to increased exploitation of women. The opponents won the day and ensured that the Nordic model in my country was stopped, at least temporarily.

Politicians listen to campaigners if they are vocal and numerous enough, and have a good case.

And yes, I did write. Several times

[Neurosynth]

What is the protocol for reporting BBBJ in FKK forums? I haven't been on this board in awhile but going to post a trip report soon. I assume I can talk about it in general terms here but should be more vague in the club forums as to not attract undue attention to these clubs?

This is a matter of some controversy. My feeling is that the most useful posts are those that provide the most detailed information. I think that many have an inflated impression as to how much impact posts here make on the overall situation. There are anecdotal reports here or there, but what goes unmentioned are the more than compensating positive aspects of detailed reporting.

Because the anti-BB laws are essentially unenforceable, the laws can only work if men develop irrational fears. I say irrational because, again, the laws are unenforceable behind closed doors.

Beyond this, open reporting of available (or not) services creates a fairer market, and increases the probability of finding such services due to competition.

But I've seen no sign of board rules suggesting BB services not be reported on. In fact board management here has occasionally chastised posters who tell guys that this or that should not be reported on. The operators here don't want posters to suggest not posting. Ironically that rule, the only one related to the German law at all, is flagrantly ignored with regularity.