Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[TheApprentice7]

Apprentice7,

My views on these girls may seem on the extreme end because many non-pros with a decent job and a stable source of income start out not wanting money, commitment, or exclusivity supposedly. Then as time goes on, they move towards the extreme end of wanting one or more of those things. In your case, the girl just turned 20, so you may have a year or two before she starts calling herself "old" and wanting to have a "serious" relationship with you. Once she starts thinking about her future, you will see a different side to her....

The fellas are giving you great advice from many points of view. Maybe my input is a bit extremist, as you say, because experience has shown me that even the most innocent pussy can surprise you. One should not risk anything significant on a 20-year-old Pinay's words. Fucking such a sweet attractive girl bareback naturally leads to release of pair-bonding hormones that create the feelings of love and attachment. The more you fuck her, the more hormones released and the greater the feeling of attachment and longing. As someone mentioned, her pussy may be a Venus flytrap whether she consciously intends it or not. Notice that she did not give you all she had to offer in bed during her week of fucking her exclusively. However, now that you are home with your wife, she is promising you increased benefits such as bareback any hole and position, cum-in-mouth with swallow, and bareback butthole pleasures. It should make you wonder why she held those things back for a week and is now offering them as incentives for your swift return. LOL!

CM,

Thanks for pointing this out. When and if the payday request does come, I will offer a little money and try and walk away. As to barebacking her, I thrust it raw dog a few times when we got together the second time and she did not object. It was me who wanted to be careful and put on the wrapper to finish. I actually don't enjoy anal either but while we were sexting we talked about what she used to do with her BF and she was honest about it. Her BF used to bareback her and shot his load outside. She admitted he came in her 3 times as well, but luckily never got preggo. She also tried anal but didn't like it. So I started asking her if she will let me do those things as well and she said yes. I don't particularly enjoy anal, but wonder if Bareback anal makes a big difference? Asking about anal was mainly to find out how adventurous she is willing to be with me, see how far I can push the envelope. It's only now that I have a better feel for her social life / non pro life that I feel comfortable barebacking her in these different holes. She has limits tho. She will not agree to a 3 some. Said she would not be able to do it due to jealousy.

In any case your advice is golden and allows me to have broader spectrum of monger views on dating non pros. Many thanks.

[TheApprentice7]

When I read all this and your comments I think I should tell you my own experience two years ago for my 1st trip to Bali....

Then she did an echography and she sent the result to me, but here I saw that the estimated conception date was 1 month before we met in Bali.

So I told this to her and she admit she had sex one month before with a local man in Malaysia.

After that, with the advice of my doctor here, I cut all relations.

But it stayed unclear for me why she did that, my opinion is that she knew that she could be pregnant and she took the opportunity to have sex with me in order to convince me that I was the father.

I think she was quite honest in the end, but this opportunity was for her like a life opportunity. I don't know what happen then.

But this firt experience had been a strong warning for me.

Anyway I keep a very nice remind of Bali at least for this first girl met there, very very nice and great exp. But the second one was a bit more rude.

Thanks for sharing that. Glad to hear your first experience was pleasant, as it gets me more optimistic about my situation. These lessons will serve me well in the coming year!

[TheApprentice7]

Mongers,

Many thanks again for sharing all your stories. Especially the uncomfortable ones that will help me be better prepared for all this. I have said some things to scale back her expectations per your advice. Made it clear I may see other women in addition to her, told her I will not interfere with her search for her boyfriend, etc. Also clarified that I am technically separated but not divorced, and are living with each other still due to kids. Sleep in basement, and stuff like that. She probably beginning to suspect more. She was not happy about me seeing other girls but understands I cannot offer her much.

Our chats cooled down a bit but with a little bit of time and sweet talk she says even if that's the case she still wishes to see me when I am in Manila. She said she will even come only the first couple days if I want to see other girls and she will not interfere. Here must be the Venus fly trap, because upon hearing that, I couldn't help thinking I would rather bang this girl bareback rather than use condoms and pay other pros. So I started to sweet talk saying I want to cancel other plans to spend more time with her. Probably stupid on my part. But can't help it. That girl is an unresistable venus fly trap.

Almost everything she told me about herself seemed to check out when I looked her up on social media. Or private pics she sent me. She said in a couple years she will invest in real estate with her mom. I am cautious about her sudden payday trap, but so far seems to be financially comfortable from family money.

My domestic situation is somewhat unusual. My wife doesn't take pills so I use condom. LOL this non pro would be the only girl I bareback. In the heat of the moment I only B. B. One other girl in Manila, and because I met her in LA cafe, I freaked out and got HIV test right after. All other pros I used condom for. The prospect of relatively safe bareback is very appealing to me. I will get full std test done before my trip to Manila just to be safe. If I catch anything from her, I'll know better next time.

Lastly following veteran monger advice, I will limit my trips to Manila to work travel opportunities, which will only be around 3 or 4 times a year. I told the girl this and she understands I cannot offer anything more. She still seems invested in me, still sending me lots of txt messages.

She did tell me a few stories when foreign mongers offer her money for poon, and Tells me she refused them all, telling them she is not that type of girl. Not sure whether to believe her or not, but her non pro vibe is very convincing.

There are some unusual behavior though that I do take note of. She says she does not get along with her stepdad, and recently moved out to a small apt in paranaque by herself. She says she plans to move to makati in another year and possibly get a housemate at that time (girl housemate). I am not familiar with pinay thought process and am not sure if this is unusual behavior or not. Either way I have no intent to ask for exclusivity or anything but if she is making $$ on the side from other mongers I want to be aware.

My plan is proceed with biz trip to Manila as planned in a couple of months, spend a lot of time with her, and if need be, tell her I am in the process of reconciling with wife, and see if she will take a mistress position.

Thanks mongers for all your advice!

[Albert9989]

Mongers,

Many thanks for all your feedback. I don't think I mentioned this before-my non pro is one of those light skinned, Eurasian looking mestiza girl. In another thread a monger warned us about these types of girls and I must agree her beauty and sexy body makes it hard to resist any hidden agendas this girl might have. This girl spends a significant amount of time exchanging messages on her phone with me. ........., but she is pretty convincing with her texts.

When I read all this and your comments I think I should tell you my own experience two years ago for my 1st trip to Bali.

I was a 63 yo divorced so totally free to meet any women there.

Before I came I did a lot of chats on several web site, but one of these girls was an indo based in Malaysia for studies. As it will be about Indonesians, not sure it will be in the right thread but I think it could be a good warning example for newcomers.

This girl was chatting a lot, we had video chats, very often, very correct ones, nothing weird, but she was very attractive and talking, a lot about her studies, her life, family, even boyfriends she had before, I think she was ready to marry but refused due to husband not serious enough.

During weeks, may be months we chatted a lot like this, very nice. But she was not interested to come to Bali.

So I went there, I am not an experienced monger so I tried to find some opportunities around in Kuta, I tried Riverview, but it's not really my thing, so I came back to my previous chats. I tried some Balinese contacts and one of them answered me, she wanted to come to my hotel with her car. What's she did immediately. Then we had some pleasant chat, drinks in the hotel, even pool together, and then I asked her to stay. She agreed but it was really unclear what will happen between us. Surely she was playing a little bit with me. She told me that she had work in a famous hotel in Ubud, and some other activities. But thing moved quickly when we were in the room and I found a sex machine all along the night together and all bareback, I forgot all precautions. Then she offered to drive me to several places, to visit, what we did, during 2/3 days, no money asked, very pleasant experince, I arned her that I was not ready to give lot of money, anyway she continued to drive me thereall over Bali island. I think I gave 1.2 mo once and may be another 1.2 mo later on. Then she returned to work. Now we stil have contacts from time to time and she seems still happy when we remind this time. This 1st experience was really a very great one.

Then I tried some other contacts, and the girl from Malaysia answered immediately. After a quick chat she agreed to come to Bali, I bought a flight ticket and the next day she was there at the airport. I brought her to an hotel in Sanur, cheap, 30 euros, but very nice balinese architecture, with swimming pool and aircond.

It took not very long to be in bed and, she was wearing night dresses, but when I started some cuddle, she came very quickly to sex in all ways possible here again! We spent three days here, quite all the time in the hotel room, doing bareback all the time. And then she had to return to KL for her studies. I just put some small money in her bag, nothing asked.

Then I ended my trip there and came back to France.

We continued lot of chat together, I had made it clear to her from the start that nothing could happen beween us like marriage or long relation and she agreed from the start. But we chatted a lot, I even helped her doing some school work.

And some months after she was speaking about her taking some weight. After having heard that several time we came to the point and I asked her to visit a doctor what she did. And she came back saying she was pregnant!

Hum, hum. You can say I didn't take any precaution, yes sure. But that came to be a very crazy situation for me.

Then she did an echography and she sent the result to me, but here I saw that the estimated conception date was 1 month before we met in Bali.

So I told this to her and she admit she had sex one month before with a local man in Malaysia.

After that, with the advice of my doctor here, I cut all relations.

But it stayed unclear for me why she did that, my opinion is that she knew that she could be pregnant and she took the opportunity to have sex with me in order to convince me that I was the father.

I think she was quite honest in the end, but this opportunity was for her like a life opportunity. I don't know what happen then.

But this firt experience had been a strong warning for me.

Anyway I keep a very nice remind of Bali at least for this first girl met there, very very nice and great exp. But the second one was a bit more rude.

[Chocha Monger]

Apprentice7,

My views on these girls may seem on the extreme end because many non-pros with a decent job and a stable source of income start out not wanting money, commitment, or exclusivity supposedly. Then as time goes on, they move towards the extreme end of wanting one or more of those things. In your case, the girl just turned 20, so you may have a year or two before she starts calling herself "old" and wanting to have a "serious" relationship with you. Once she starts thinking about her future, you will see a different side to her.

Based on your description, the local boys will consider her very attractive and she will have many suitors. When you were a fresh 20-year-old, would you put your dick on ice waiting for a 40-something-year-old MILF with a husband and a couple of kids to roll back into town? Most likely not. Realize that Pinays love sex and variety, although the so-called "good girls" would never admit this, they secretly ride the cock carousel.

Even Pinays who do not ask for or accept money on a regular basis will eventually ask for a big lump sum of cash due to some alleged family emergency. The idea may not originate with her. A friend or relative will learn of her relationship with you, and put her up to requesting the cash for a real or nonexistent family emergency. Just give it time. LOL!

You can find more like her working in the malls and office complexes. Upscale Makati discos with hefty cover charges, table fees, and bottle service usually appeal to her type too. However, it is best to find girls working normal jobs if you want to increase the odds of finding true non-pros.

The fellas are giving you great advice from many points of view. Maybe my input is a bit extremist, as you say, because experience has shown me that even the most innocent pussy can surprise you. One should not risk anything significant on a 20-year-old Pinay's words. Fucking such a sweet attractive girl bareback naturally leads to release of pair-bonding hormones that create the feelings of love and attachment. The more you fuck her, the more hormones released and the greater the feeling of attachment and longing. As someone mentioned, her pussy may be a Venus flytrap whether she consciously intends it or not. Notice that she did not give you all she had to offer in bed during her week of fucking her exclusively. However, now that you are home with your wife, she is promising you increased benefits such as bareback any hole and position, cum-in-mouth with swallow, and bareback butthole pleasures. It should make you wonder why she held those things back for a week and is now offering them as incentives for your swift return. LOL!

Based on your original declared intentions, you went to Manila to sample some of the urban wild pussy with no strings attached. For much of your trip, you pursued that goal. Then you grew tired of fucking the P4P girls, and craved non-pros and romance. You abandoned the P4 P scene. Then you spent the last week having a love affair and lying about your marital status to keep it going. Although you state that you have no intention to stray from the path of family man and committed husband, you have nonetheless deviated from your original purpose and now on a different path from the one that you were on when you entered this forest.

Maybe I am a bit jaded, but I find it odd that a shy recent high school graduate Chinese Filipina stays on her own in a room at the Pearl Garden Hotel in Malate, a notorious freelance hooker district that causes young female immigration agents at NAIA to raise their eyebrows when listed on entry forms. LOL! Especially, since she lives in Quezon City and can travel home at night for less than the cost of a hotel room. Furthermore, she gives an expert BBBJ in the top 5 ever experienced by a 40-something-years-old monger. What are the odds of a young non-pro being that good? She also knows how to hold back her best skills and act shy initially to draw the monger in with her good girl GFE act. She certainly knows how to drive the progression and pace of the sexual relationship while letting the monger believe that he is in control and making things happen. It seems like she has been playing this game for a while with Chinoy and Korean businessmen out for some 19-hole golf.

[Breadman]

Lets not forget about one of the worst ways to get busted, barebacking a girl and then passing along something to your wife when you return home. Can't check your pockets on that, see if your breath is ok to kiss her. Not having sex with your wife is also a dead giveaway.

[Mr Enternational]

Finally, to be married to a someone who expects you to be monogamous and at the same time secretly carry on international mongering, you have to have patience. Wait for and work towards raising opportunities to travel. You need to silence your inner guilt if it makes you vulnerable to any exploitation by your punts. You need to avoid too deep emotional attachment to your sexual partners in order to save what's left of your ability to love for your family.

Now that was a great post.

When it comes to women, a quote that I live by is from the movie Heat:
Neil McCauley: A guy told me one time, "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner. "

Like I said before, it is cop and blow when it comes to women; they come and they go. If you are married, best practice is to catch and release. You get caught up with one chick then you start to get comfortable. Your patterns change. You used to be in the bed with your wife every night at 10, but now you don't get to bed until 11:30 because you are in the other room sending messages to some broad. Changes you make may not be obvious to you because you are all stary-eyed, but they will be obvious to your wife.

When I got married my dad told me never change your pattern. If you come home at 10 pm every night, you keep coming home at 10 pm. And he used to keep a bottle of liquor under his seat so he could take a swig before going into the house and fake like he had been out drinking if need be. I added to that bathing in the car exhaust. You don't want to come home smelling fresh whatever the case.

When I was married, I had a school teacher chick on the side. I got so comfortable. One day me and my wife were at home and she started telling me this story of her friend whose husband had came home with condoms in his pocket when they don't use condoms. She asked what I thought. I told her that the woman should just ask her husband about it instead of jumping to conclusions. So out came these condoms and my wife says I found these in your pocket when I was washing clothes. Luckily I can think fast. I was in school at the time and told my wife that they were giving them away on campus last week; and I am not one to turn down free stuff. I had a couple of close calls like that.

Finally, I just told my wife that I didn't want to be married anymore (instead of trying to sneak around doing dirt) and we were able to split up amicably. We were only married two years and didn't have kids together or anything and were able to remain friends.

I tell you what. I certainly would not be risking the farm over some chick from a 3rd world country that I spent 2 days with. If you risk the farm, then you do it with a chick that has more shit than you do (which is hardly ever the case.) You are the one with everything to lose. After your wife takes at least half of your shit, the side chick will be on to the next "hot" guy and you will be standing there with your dick in your hand looking like a moron wondering where it all went wrong.

[Sammon]

Let this guy be happy. I am sure he knows the pitfalls of falling in head over heels for the first girl who he has fun with. He will learn soon. In relationship all over the world girls are the same. Some are good and some are no good. There is no way an outsider can gauge the relationship. Let him be.

[Kurre]

But she seems to be quite invested in me for whatever reason I can't figure out. She says she finds me very handsome, etc. And says I can move on whenever I need to but that she will always be available for me. I simply don't believe these comments, but she is pretty convincing with her texts.

You can either accept her comments at face value and act accordingly or, if you have even a tiniest speck of doubt, proceed with caution. Either way, don't let us jaded mongers keep you from enjoying what's on offer.

CM, Your views on these girls seem to be on the extreme end but since I am still a newb I willl keep this possibility in the back of my mind. I do not expect anything exclusive but she makes every effort to show me I am the only one she's thinking about. It would actually make me feel more at ease if she moves on but she clings to me. Maybe there is longer payday play here but she has told me repeatedly she has money and doesn't need any. Very strange. The other possibility, as remote as it may be, is obsession? I don't know if that's possible after 2 days of company and 6 shags. I will be cautious, but am thinking hunting more non pros will be my only other worthwhile agenda.

As on any forum, extreme opinions are most easily expressed in anonymous discussion and you are wise to filter everything that is written here using your own experience.

As this section of forum is labeled Opinions and advice, here are mine:

In my opinion you you had a wonderful sexual experience outside your normal environment with a girl that is 20 years younger than you and you are "high" from this experience. You feel exhilarated, appreciated and you got a boost of self-confidence. The feeling is strengthened by the fact that it looks like she didn't do it for money. Maybe she truly wants you as her only boyfriend or even marry you. 20-year age difference is not that uncommon in relationships like this. Heck, I met a Swedish guy in Pattaya who was 65 and already had 2-year old kid with a lady who was only 25 years old. They seemed perfectly happy together. You said you would prefer if she wasn't clinging on to you so much but her constant messaging and commitment make you feel obligated to keep in contact with her. You have fallen in a very sweet trap that she has set, maybe not maliciously, but by her instinct. She has sensed that you are a sweet guy and wants to hold on. You might seem to her as exotic and enchanting as she to you. You, on the other hand, might feel that she releases you from the emotional and sexual prison that your everyday life may feel like, maybe not all the time, but at least occasionally.

Why do I call it a trap? If you look at characteristics of any trap, it is first of all designed to lure you inside. Secondly, a trap is designed so that is hard or impossible to escape. Also, traps are made to look like you get a free lunch when in fact, sooner or later, you pay ten-fold. In this case it might even not be the girl who is setting the trap, but you yourself, by feeding off this situation and making yourself vulnerable to an emotional roller coaster or blackmail.

As to the advice, you have several options:

1. Forget the girl, cut communications and stop mongering. When your children come to visit you in a senior home, enjoy the warm feelings like the good father and husband you are. When they leave, secretly smile thinking about the time in PI when you had the sexual experience of your lifetime and wonder what happened to that sweet girl. Ask for an extra push so that your rocking chair gets a bit more speed.

2. Keep in contact with the girl, visit every few months and make her your secret escape from the mundane. String her along or marry her but either way, pay through your nose both financially and emotionally when your wife divorces you and you get bi-monthly visitation rights to see your children. The divorce might come from your wife finding out about your escapades or just from emotional estrangement that a situation like this is bound to cause. Eventually retire to a village on some remote PI island and dole out pesos to the village kids who crowd around your hammock.

3. Stay in contact, visit her but at same time try to line up more girls like this. You will need that because your "high" isn't as high as it was the first few times with the first girl. You get addicted and move on to higher or more frequent dosage. Also, try to arrange trips to some other countries since "variety is spice of life", isn't it? See above about emotional estrangement and divorce.

4. Find a job, NPO or other excuse that allows you to travel and disguise your mongering hobby. Keep from getting too emotionally attached to your occasional partners. Walk the rope and try not to fly too close to the sun.

5. Talk about your situation with a good therapist and eventually with your wife. Discover her hidden sexuality and start a swinging party circle in your town. Bring a pinay girl over occasionally to visit you and spice up your marital life. Don't count too much on this scenario playing out.

6. Any combination of above.

Finally, to be married to a someone who expects you to be monogamous and at the same time secretly carry on international mongering, you have to have patience. Wait for and work towards raising opportunities to travel. You need to silence your inner guilt if it makes you vulnerable to any exploitation by your punts. You need to avoid too deep emotional attachment to your sexual partners in order to save what's left of your ability to love for your family.

Many punters, myself included, have at some point, usually early on in our "career", been at the exact spot that you are at now. For me, it happened with a 23 yo Thai girl during my first mongering trip to Thailand. No money changed hands, the GFE was incredible, partying and dancing all night long was great and despite language barriers we kept in touch for nearly six months through messaging services. I was married at the time. This emotional attachment was not the only reason for my divorce but surely contributed towards it. About three years after meeting this lady, I looked her up in Pattaya through the T-shirt shop she used to work at. I went to see her at the restaurant where she now worked as a cook. She had an Australian boyfriend who was visiting at the time. She remembered the good times we had had and asked if I wanted to go out dancing the following week after the boyfriend left town. I had to leave LOS before that happened so I never found out if first love is also last love. No regrets, though.

But forget my ramblings, Goferring just gave best advice anyone can give for someone in your situation.

[Goferring]

Apprentice7,

You really made the grade on your mongering excursion in Manila. You are married with kids in the USA, and that means you have a lot to lose if your mongering career were ever to come to the attention of the wife. She will make you pay in the many ways that US divorce courts allow. Exercise great caution in continuing your little fling from the Philippines.

SNIP

Enjoy the girls in the moment but never become emotionally attached to them. If you do, you will set yourself up for some serious drama and disappointment. You enjoyed shooting your loads in her pussy and mouth. Do not make it more than that, and do not expect to see her again. Another monger or her Pinoy boyfriend may knock her up before you return or she may decide to become an overseas foreign worker. Pinays like to stay in touch with foreign mongers because it usually results in a much bigger payday than accepting the fee for services business model. There is no risk in this for her but as a married monger there is a huge risk that your old battle-axe may catch you during your amorous WeChat and Kakao sexting sessions, and feed your dick to the ducks.

Not only has Apprentice let himself open to major complications at home, he has also lied to the girl and now falsely assumes that she does not know that he is married and is scared of the missus finding out about his overseas fling. This gives the girl incredible leverage for blackmail when required or to go full psycho on FB etc should she simply become bitter and twisted and want to cause as much damage as possible.

Apprentice, you need to remove as much of her leveage ASAP and regain some bargaining power in the relationship:

Tell her you have permanently reconciled with your wife and can only see her casually as there is now no chance of an ongoing relationship.

No need to be antagonistic but she needs to know you are willing and capable of seeing other girls. Even if it's only random nights while you are in country, she needs to go home some nights and you need to partake of other opportunities. She will find out and it will give her incentive to keep you happy rather than go nuts on you with threats etc.

Personally, I prefer to keep relationships commercial. A heartbroken pina going psycho more than outweighs the ego trip of having a perceived short term freebee. It's amazing how expensive freebees can be long term if they are not handled properly.

In regards to becoming emotionally attached, it's easy for others to say wake up when commenting from the outside. All I can say is remember that there is always a long game at play. It's important she is not given too much ammunition to make the end payoff too debilitating to you.

[Mogwai]

Whoa that is good news to me. Let me brush up on my Korean and try and get me another one or two 20-year olds on my rotation. Where should I go to start hunting these chicks?

Uhm... CM said Korean dicks, not Korean chicks.

[TheApprentice7]

Mongers,

Many thanks for all your feedback. I don't think I mentioned this before-my non pro is one of those light skinned, Eurasian looking mestiza girl. In another thread a monger warned us about these types of girls and I must agree her beauty and sexy body makes it hard to resist any hidden agendas this girl might have. This girl spends a significant amount of time exchanging messages on her phone with me. She makes sure to message me for awhile first thing after waking up, and we spend a lot of time exchanging messages for hours before she sleeps. She just turned 20 - based on your advice I Have expressed to her that I will keep her company until she moves on. Implying that she can date others. But she seems to be quite invested in me for whatever reason I can't figure out. She says she finds me very handsome, etc. And says I can move on whenever I need to but that she will always be available for me. I simply don't believe these comments, but she is pretty convincing with her texts.

If this is a planned out scheme I must say she is wearing me down, and I am becoming more attached to her. In fact I am planning to visit Manila in a couple months and I have no desire to bang any pros, when she has committed to letting me do whatever I want to her body, except cum in pussy (she not ready for kids). But otherwise she going to let me bareback any position or hole I want, including anal, and is going to CIM with swallow when I am ready to finish, etc. Combine that with the emotional connection as well and my interest in pay 4 play girls drastically drops. Plus meeting this girl only cost me food and cab fare. Much cheaper.

Apprentice7,

You fell in love with your little 20-year-old juicer during playtime in Manila. However, do not believe all of her sweet promises that she will wait for you with her pussy full of juicy anticipation. Pinays are great at playing the role of eternal romantics with words but the truth is your dick is not and will never be the only one pounding her puss. The non-pros all start out wanting little to no money, until you form a solid emotional bond. Then when the trike accident comes or the carabao falls on her papa in the rice field sending him and it to the hospital for very expensive operations, she will reach out to you for an emergency cash transfer. The emotional bond will make it hard for you to refuse her, and she knows this. Regardless of how you feel about her, realize that it is not real. She will move on from you just as easily as she moved on to your dick from her previous boyfriend, if she really moved on from him at all. Most likely, she just added your half-Korean penis to her collection.

CM, Your views on these girls seem to be on the extreme end but since I am still a newb I willl keep this possibility in the back of my mind. I do not expect anything exclusive but she makes every effort to show me I am the only one she's thinking about. It would actually make me feel more at ease if she moves on but she clings to me. Maybe there is longer payday play here but she has told me repeatedly she has money and doesn't need any. Very strange. The other possibility, as remote as it may be, is obsession? I don't know if that's possible after 2 days of company and 6 shags. I will be cautious, but am thinking hunting more non pros will be my only other worthwhile agenda.

Furthermore, as you observed, she is a 20-year-old Pinay having fun with Korean dicks, which is the in thing for that age group in the Philippines, and you are a 40-something-years-old family man and incorrigible monger. This is not exactly the stuff healthy long-term emotional relationships are built on.

Whoa that is good news to me. Let me brush up on my Korean and try and get me another one or two 20-year olds on my rotation. Where should I go to start hunting these chicks?

[Chocha Monger]

Mongers,

During my 2 week trip to Manila / Makati, I pretty much shagged all pros or semi pros. However I lucked out in picking up a non-pro in the mall one time, and got together for 2. 5 of the days while I was there. She has her own $$ and would only accept minimal cash for cab fare, otherwise nothing else. She does let me pay for food tho. She just turned 20 and I for the life of me can't figure out why she continues to be interested in me (although I still look young, I am 40, even older than her step dad). Perhaps it's her fetish for Korean men and I am half Korean, and I can speak it as well.

We continue to exchange messages on we chat and kakao. The did tell her a lie that I am separated (in reality I am still married) but otherwise made it clear that because of my two young kids back in the states, I can't commit to any relationships, but would love to see her if I am back in Manila. She says anytime I am in Manila she wants to see me. She tells me this will always be the case until I decide I no longer want her company.

Hearing this I feel bad, and tell her pretty much the same thing. She will someday get a great boyfriend who wants to commit, and until that happens I will always be available to see her. I said when she commits, we can remain friends if she wants..

Apprentice7,

You really made the grade on your mongering excursion in Manila. You are married with kids in the USA, and that means you have a lot to lose if your mongering career were ever to come to the attention of the wife. She will make you pay in the many ways that US divorce courts allow. Exercise great caution in continuing your little fling from the Philippines.

You fell in love with your little 20-year-old juicer during playtime in Manila. However, do not believe all of her sweet promises that she will wait for you with her pussy full of juicy anticipation. Pinays are great at playing the role of eternal romantics with words but the truth is your dick is not and will never be the only one pounding her puss. The non-pros all start out wanting little to no money, until you form a solid emotional bond. Then when the trike accident comes or the carabao falls on her papa in the rice field sending him and it to the hospital for very expensive operations, she will reach out to you for an emergency cash transfer. The emotional bond will make it hard for you to refuse her, and she knows this. Regardless of how you feel about her, realize that it is not real. She will move on from you just as easily as she moved on to your dick from her previous boyfriend, if she really moved on from him at all. Most likely, she just added your half-Korean penis to her collection.

Enjoy the girls in the moment but never become emotionally attached to them. If you do, you will set yourself up for some serious drama and disappointment. You enjoyed shooting your loads in her pussy and mouth. Do not make it more than that, and do not expect to see her again. Another monger or her Pinoy boyfriend may knock her up before you return or she may decide to become an overseas foreign worker. Pinays like to stay in touch with foreign mongers because it usually results in a much bigger payday than accepting the fee for services business model. There is no risk in this for her but as a married monger there is a huge risk that your old battle-axe may catch you during your amorous WeChat and Kakao sexting sessions, and feed your dick to the ducks.

Furthermore, as you observed, she is a 20-year-old Pinay having fun with Korean dicks, which is the in thing for that age group in the Philippines, and you are a 40-something-years-old family man and incorrigible monger. This is not exactly the stuff healthy long-term emotional relationships are built on.

[Dg8787]

If I invite a girl out to dinner and a movie and she spends the night, because we developed a connection, is she a prostitute? I understand the technicalities but that $20 was a gift, to help her out. She always agreed to meet me if our lunchtimes were available, and now that she live upcountry again I seriously doubt that she's giving out those BJs to local guys. Perhaps to her husband.

Don't fall for outside opinions and labels. Most of us help people out and are kind hearted people. We don't equate helping to a dollar value.

[Chacal60]

If I invite a girl out to dinner and a movie and she spends the night, because we developed a connection, is she a prostitute? I understand the technicalities but that $20 was a gift, to help her out. She always agreed to meet me if our lunchtimes were available, and now that she live upcountry again I seriously doubt that she's giving out those BJs to local guys. Perhaps to her husband.

My little head cannot drive yet. That is why he pulls over.

I still say this semiprostitute stuff makes no sense. Even I would appreciate someone handing me a $20 bill to help me out. The true measuring stick is: Would she not see you again had you stopped giving her $20 bills? Then she is a hooker. If she would see you regardless of you giving her money or not, then she is not a hooker.