Kyiv

[DramaFree11]

Great questions, no way! Had many good times Kiev and learned a lot, but time to move on.

[Riina]

Riina, I am certainly biased, and think your comparing girls in Kiev and Chicago is fine. Still for my entertainment purposes these Ukrainian J-1 students differ considerably from rare jewels one could find around Shevchenko Boulevard and Khmelnitskogo Street.

This is not to criticize your choice, but to me this is reminiscent to what Rog123 wrote about Tijuana. It is a short term escape from US society deprived of adult pleasures into the world reminding us the true freedom and democracy in Ukraine.

I agree, Dasha is beautiful in more than one way, and for airplane pilots and such she is more than amazing. I hope there's many more like her coming (tongue in cheek). Maybe I'll even donate hard earned cash to her tuition trust fund.

Ukraine is a far more satisfying experience if you are open to the culture. I'm mentioning the girls in case someone is just looking for pay for play back home. Plus, the intel could lead to a pussy finding my local pimp.

[JonasWRay]

]This is my first day in Kiev and first time in this country. Got hold of contact number of a person. Who took me to some apartment girls. I saw atleast 15 girls from 4 Apartments.

No girl matched my taste. The price range 1500 UAH to 3000 UAH per hour.

Bored of seeing girls. I decided to give a try for a 1500 UAH girl.

Paid 100 Taxi fare to the lady. Gave them the address after 30 minutes the girl was at my Apt near Maidan Sqaure.

After having some beer. Went for wash together.

In Bed scene started foreplay with 30 minutes of Kissing.

She was a good kisser. Than she gave me a CBJ which was so good that I dint feel like having Sex..

I'm confused, he said none of the girls were his taste. That's different than saying they were all ugly.

I don't get the impression that he is having a horrible time. Only that it was barely his first night excursion with more to come.

You're basically assuming he has come to the same conclusion as you, that Kiev sucks for mongering, which, I don't think is the case.

[Jojosun]

100% true! I could not say it any better myself. Kiev use to be my favorite city in the world, now you could not pay me go back.

After my girlfriend and myself broke up, I told my friends I would never go back. I have stuck to my promise. Kiev is a total scam now. I can have better looking women in the States and that is pretty bad.

Did you go back to Kiev after what you told your Friends? Just curious as to what made you change your mind.

Cheers.

[PhotoSlider]

Just finishing 90 day visit to Kiev. Met 25 times this summer with girl I met last year. 4 hour meets twice weekly at 4000 uah each meet, plus I gave her 27000 bonus at end...

I am guilty myself of giving the same $1 K bonus to ex-GIA beauty after 10 days of free non-stop. Of course significant associated expenses have been incurred, and I didn't meet her empty handed, there were gifts.

Then I noticed on Instagram that she started loosing her youthful energy, felt entitled, and I decided to avoid her during subsequent visit. It is a tough occupation indeed. Being a creative person, she seems to have overcame that jaded phase now, and I am torn between memories of having her in my arms and desire to try new ones.

I may be an extreme case but I think other men, especially older men, can learn from my example.

I certainly learn from you, and despite boasting about seemingly endless escapades, I do value LTR big time.

Last November after favorite GF allowed me to diversify and successfully hunt for others in her presence, I felt exhilarated, and she wasn't jealous even a single bit. Except upon departure from KBP I felt like an idiot. Should have stayed with one, as she is much more rich emotionally and intellectually.

...in many cases, best service is not something the girl can conscious produce on demand. That is, many girls cannot fully relax sexually until they get to know a man well. One or a small number of high quality girls versus a parade of average and even low quality girls parading through your bed. Quality versus quantity.

That depends. Some of the girls establish contact and perform great on first encounter, and then get subsequently lazy.

Parade of amazing, good, average and even low quality girls allows me "to separate the wheat from the chaff", as small number of high quality girls is a dynamic pool requiring maintenance. They graduate, get a job, get married, get local BF. Few continue with me after 4-5 years, some I forgo on my own accord.

It is good to juggle 7-12 candidates. Some are always ready to go, but are expensive. Some are rather affordable and versatile, but are not as much fun. Life goes on.

While discussing that Gia agency bust that occurred in May, just before I arrived in Kiev, my jewel mentioned that, as of several years ago, police were charging independents $1000/ month and agencies $1500/ month per phone number they used, in order to be allowed to operate. Cost was per phone number, regardless of number of girls behind phone number in case of agencies. I'm not sure how police distinguish true independents from agencies. Those prices might have changed since then (or maybe they were never accurate but rather just rumors shared by sex work girls) or police may no longer tolerate prostitution in exchange for bribes.

I have yet to imagine Ukrainian police and their partners to stop making money off of girls.

Great honest report, Kozerog. Thank you much for sharing in such a detail.

Respect!

[DramaFree11]

]This is my first day in Kiev and first time in this country. Got hold of contact number of a person. Who took me to some apartment girls. I saw atleast 15 girls from 4 Apartments.

No girl matched my taste. The price range 1500 UAH to 3000 UAH per hour.

Bored of seeing girls. I decided to give a try for a 1500 UAH girl.

Paid 100 Taxi fare to the lady. Gave them the address after 30 minutes the girl was at my Apt near Maidan Sqaure.

After having some beer. Went for wash together.

In Bed scene started foreplay with 30 minutes of Kissing.

She was a good kisser. Than she gave me a CBJ which was so good that I dint feel like having Sex.

So I made up mind not to have sex with her and let her finish in BJ.

Finally the game ended as decided.

Gave her 200 Tip.

Tomorrow waiting for new encounters.

Thank you for sharing and your honest report. I had the same experience on my last 2 trips. On 2 separate occasions I visited between 3-5 Apartments, there was between 10-15 girls there was not even one half way attractive girl, not even a 6. It was bad, at the time a had hot regular girl I was seeing so it was not a big deal, but never again.

[Womaniszer]

This is my first day in Kiev and first time in this country. Got hold of contact number of a person. Who took me to some apartment girls. I saw atleast 15 girls from 4 Apartments.

No girl matched my taste. The price range 1500 UAH to 3000 UAH per hour.

Bored of seeing girls. I decided to give a try for a 1500 UAH girl.

Paid 100 Taxi fare to the lady. Gave them the address after 30 minutes the girl was at my Apt near Maidan Sqaure.

After having some beer. Went for wash together.

In Bed scene started foreplay with 30 minutes of Kissing.

She was a good kisser. Than she gave me a CBJ which was so good that I dint feel like having Sex.

So I made up mind not to have sex with her and let her finish in BJ.

Finally the game ended as decided.

Gave her 200 Tip.

Tomorrow waiting for new encounters.

[DramaFree11]

Dasha in Chicago is Russian. Not the same girl. She is six foot and skinny with great natural boobs. She's a student. Difficult to find a girl like her in Russia or Ukraine. Some members think this information doesn't belong here, but I know for fact pilots have come looking for Ukrainians in Chicago off this thread. Also, post FOSTA / Sesta has killed internet marketing for Euros in the states. Many are descending on Chicago because of our Ukrainian pimp and her customers. I suspect some of the girls have indirectly come to know about her from this forum.

Kozerog, thanks for the earlier post. I read it carefully. Always some good thought on Ukrainians and mongering from your reports.

You want to find hot Ukraine girls, go to New York, (LA or Chicago), Dubai, Moscow, Germany, or Paris. We use to joke about this when I was living there.

[PhotoSlider]

If http://kievescort.club/girl/dasha9 indeed same girl as http://classyladiesofchicago.escortb...el-dasha-30737, note age jump from 19 in United States to 27 at Gia aka Kiev Escort Club. Lying in the United States, truth in Ukraine?

Two completely different girls. GIA Dasha of August 2018 is even different from a third Dasha that Jymondor reported on in April. As you can see 27 years old gave birth and her images are heavily edited.

Call it a mild case of conspiracy theory but first Riina posted his report, and soon after new GIA girl has been given stage alias "Dasha".

Dasha in Chicago is Russian. Not the same girl. She is six foot and skinny with great natural boobs. She's a student. Difficult to find a girl like her in Russia or Ukraine. Some members think this information doesn't belong here, but I know for fact pilots have come looking for Ukrainians in Chicago off this thread. Also, post Fosta / Sesta has killed internet marketing for Euros in the states. Many are descending on Chicago because of our Ukrainian pimp and her customers. I suspect some of the girls have indirectly come to know about her from this forum.

Riina, I am certainly biased, and think your comparing girls in Kiev and Chicago is fine. Still for my entertainment purposes these Ukrainian J-1 students differ considerably from rare jewels one could find around Shevchenko Boulevard and Khmelnitskogo Street.

This is not to criticize your choice, but to me this is reminiscent to what Rog123 wrote about Tijuana. It is a short term escape from US society deprived of adult pleasures into the world reminding us the true freedom and democracy in Ukraine.

I agree, Dasha is beautiful in more than one way, and for airplane pilots and such she is more than amazing. I hope there's many more like her coming (tongue in cheek). Maybe I'll even donate hard earned cash to her tuition trust fund.

[Riina]

If http://kievescort.club/girl/dasha9 indeed same girl as http://classyladiesofchicago.escortb...el-dasha-30737, note age jump from 19 in United States to 27 at Gia aka Kiev Escort Club. Lying in the United States, truth in Ukraine?

Dasha in Chicago is Russian. Not the same girl. She is six foot and skinny with great natural boobs. She's a student. Difficult to find a girl like her in Russia or Ukraine. Some members think this information doesn't belong here, but I know for fact pilots have come looking for Ukrainians in Chicago off this thread. Also, post Fosta / Sesta has killed internet marketing for Euros in the states. Many are descending on Chicago because of our Ukrainian pimp and her customers. I suspect some of the girls have indirectly come to know about her from this forum.

Kozerog, thanks for the earlier post. I read it carefully. Always some good thought on Ukrainians and mongering from your reports.

[Kozerog]

GIA has a new girl named Dasha as of today. Somehow I do not think this is a pure coincidence. GIA management monitoring Kiev Forum is not certain, but might have happened.

If http://kievescort.club/girl/dasha9 indeed same girl as http://classyladiesofchicago.escortb...el-dasha-30737, note age jump from 19 in United States to 27 at Gia aka Kiev Escort Club. Lying in the United States, truth in Ukraine?

[Kozerog]

Just finishing 90 day visit to Kiev. Met 25 times this summer with girl I met last year. 4 hour meets twice weekly at 4000 uah each meet, plus I gave her 27000 bonus at end, so about 127000 uah in all, about $4700 at current exchange rate.

Girl made a few comments over the course of the summer to the effect that she is tired of sex work, that it's a dead end business, especially for women past age 30 (she's 26 herself, or a few years older than she originally told me), customers are too often unpleasant and bad-smelling cheapskates, plus she's seeing less customers each year, risk of police trouble, etc. My thinking in being generous was that, even if she leaves the business, she might arrange a job where she can slip out twice weekly in the afternoon in the summer to see me, and thus make some easy extra money that way. And if she eventually gets married, she can keep our meetings a secret from the husband, since we're never seen together in public. Husband shouldn't care anyway, since we always use a condom, plus I'm 36 years older than her, so hardly a real rival, plus I was with her first.

Obviously, I could always get a replacement, especially given the amount of money I'm spending. But as I noted in my last post, I don't care that much about sex anymore, in the sense that the prospect of sex doesn't really excite me, though at the same time I know I need occasional sex and I don't have a problem getting and keeping erections once I get naked next to the girl (50 MG sildenafil probably helps). So there's a risk that, if I lose this current girl, I'll be too lazy and too afraid of bad experiences to bother finding another, which would put me back into celibacy, which wouldn't be painful (precisely because of that lack of strong sexual desire) but which would leave my life feeling empty compared to what it is now. So best keep her indefinitely if I can.

I may be an extreme case but I think other men, especially older men, can learn from my example. After digging through the rubbish heap for a while and then finally finding a jewel, stick with that jewel instead of chasing after the next shiny thing to catch your eye. Eventually these foolish girls stop being so foolish and figure out that men's promises are worthless and the repeat customer is the one that matters, especially if he's a pleasant customer, and therefore best service goes to the repeat customer. Also, in many cases, best service is not something the girl can conscious produce on demand. That is, many girls cannot fully relax sexually until they get to know a man well. One or a small number of high quality girls versus a parade of average and even low quality girls parading through your bed. Quality versus quantity.

While discussing that Gia agency bust that occurred in May, just before I arrived in Kiev, my jewel mentioned that, as of several years ago, police were charging independents $1000/ month and agencies $1500/ month per phone number they used, in order to be allowed to operate. Cost was per phone number, regardless of number of girls behind phone number in case of agencies. I'm not sure how police distinguish true independents from agencies. Those prices might have changed since then (or maybe they were never accurate but rather just rumors shared by sex work girls) or police may no longer tolerate prostitution in exchange for bribes. Several times local police have tried to entrap my jewel, but she always recognized they were police before doing anything illegal and so has never been arrested or forced to pay bribes herself.

Various experiences this summer, which I won't bore you with, have caused me to realize that I am no longer capable of normal relationships with women. "Once a monger, always a monger" definitely true with me. Paying for sex puts power in the man's hands. My desire for sex may be weak, but my lust for power is as strong as ever. No chance I will ever relinquish that power if I don't have to.

[Member #4722]

I actually respect Dramafree as he seems well travelled. HOWEVER, he and I seem to travel in similar circles and he hypes up Tijuana as one of the cities he thinks is way better for mongering than Kiev and as a Tijuana and Kiev vet I would say they are not even close. Everyone has different opinions and I live close to Tijuana so maybe I am spoiled but the quality in Kiev is on a whole other level than what you can get in Mexico and it's not even close. Of course your mileage may vary and everything is dependent on age / looks / game but I go to Mexico twice a month and these activities are just holding me over until my next trip to Kyiv!

[PhotoSlider]

http://classyladiesofchicago.escortb...el-dasha-30737

This Russian girl I'm posting a link to is a very good example of why monger travel is less worth it these days. She's a beautiful girl on a J1 that saw the opportunity to make money and keep her privacy. If you traveled to Moscow and spent loads of cash, you would not find a girl like Dasha. You would find a pussy rubbed by a 1000 Ruski dick. Their's similar students in Kiev, but that's become a very selective game that's not open to everyone. Too many members here think it's still the old days where young and pretty girls had to come out as prostitutes.

GIA has a new girl named Dasha as of today. Somehow I do not think this is a pure coincidence. GIA management monitoring Kiev Forum is not certain, but might have happened.

[PhotoSlider]

PhotoSlider Drama Volpone,

Thank you very much for the support. It's interesting the members attacking me have like ten posts to their names. It says a lot about them.

Discussing whose dick is thicker and longer is a clear sign of conversation deterioration. That happened before. No sweat.

"Zero night life in Kiev" - my ass! The fact that some wannabes have been rejected or dumped doesn't mean there are no beautiful ladies available. Night life is there any time of the day or night.

I am not trying to argue or convince anybody. Will not get into pissing contest either rating my Kiev GFs and one night stands or comparing them with equally fascinating specimen in Thailand, Columbia or Sweden. Whining losers may continue their pointless complaints. Lack of female attention transforms into Forum pollution.

Instead I am flying out to Kiev myself soon for yet another session of checking out the pussy availability and quality on the ground with all five senses. Somehow despite the numerous challenges pussy of all shapes, tastes and attitudes is still there year after year. My problem in Kiev is bandwidth congestion, difficulty to chose, the need to avoid some of the overlapping dates, constantly optimizing.

Lots of foreign guys mistakenly believe the horror stories, and stop day dreaming about EE princesses making love for peanuts. Boys from UK, Germany, US and all over the World do not buy airplane tickets to Ukraine anymore. Kiev-Borispyl Airport goes bankrupt. Village girls leave back to Sumy, Kharkiv and L'viv.

Does it mean that average price per act of romantic encounter will go down?

Does it mean that me and others praising Kiev leads to scarcity, inflation and spoiled providers due to more fierce competition between males?

Here is my firm belief on the subject:

1. Guys will keep coming to Kiev. For many reasons, most of the time not related to mongering. It is not wise to ignore high class entertainment in the Capital City.

2. Many will either have pussy lined up upon arrival or search for the object of desire.

3. Pessimistic participants deduce that Ukrainian girls will break the multi-generational tradition and disappear to Dubai and Paris. Indeed some girls are free to travel internationally, yet many are bound one way or the other despite visa-free.

Well, why GIA reincarnation took less than 3 months after the bust? Why this lucrative and reliable pipeline should ever go dry? Volume estimates are anywhere from half a million dollars a day per City of Kiev to billion dollars a year for the whole country of Ukraine.

Nothing will radically change during my next visit. Yes, River Palace is not there and dollar is not 4 UAH anymore. So what?

If you have doubts then do not go. More pussy for those of us who will.