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[Kosher Kowboy]

Sorry, fellow mongers, this time I am going to defend WGs' behavior of asking the mongers to send money to them.

On a lighter note, Optimist, each time I read your post, I felt that we got the spokesman of Ministry of Foreign Affairs in our community LOL, because you are always very diplomatic. I enjoy your elegant writing.

I also think if you have your number entered in to a WG's phone one can not complain if they ask for money or use the number to their advantage. IMHO phone numbers, social media etc are a form of an extension of ' couch time' which is all part of our Pussy Bill. Way too many guys out there confuse ' out of club contact' to be more than business with their emotions and 99 percent of the time will get burned financially or emotionally or both. Different place but my last two trips to PTY resulted in several phone numbers but in that particular locale day options are far and few and the girls want (and visa versa) to be able to set up daytime appointments so the phone serves as a ' hook up spot' like a club since they don't get rocking until sunset, to bring john and WG together. Anyway, within 2-3 months I noticed I was deleted from all their WhapsApp's, all of them asked for money, all got a ' no' or no reply at all; all deleted me. I do not blame them, nature of the beast. Their job and ultimate objectives with us are financial.

I had a girl the other day use my phone number to try to jockey for position to claim Euros. A WG contacted me and was yapping with her friend same time but some other girl must have have overhead something because while I was still on WhatsApp this shrewd and highly observant WG sent me a very nice picture out of nowhere with emojis ' Can't wait to see you. ' I know she's trying to cut the line for Euros. Our numbers can be used for many reasons, usually all comes back to money however even if not hard paper currency on the spot sent Western Union.

I second your opinion on Optimist, perhaps one of the best writers on here and diplomatic is a great word to describe him. I have to say he is also one of the most trustworthy characters I have met in and out of the P4 P scene.

I hope you enjoyed the picture swap Optimist ( takes one to get one) , you too will be poorer as a result. As you say, all fun and games, what's a few bucks, euros, pounds, yens etc.

[Member #4581]

You are right. Sorry, fellow mongers, this time I am going to defend WGs' behavior of asking the mongers to send money to them. If a monger didn't gain anything by obtaining a WG's contact info and contacting the WG afterwards, why would he ask a WG's contact info in the first place? Even if a monger asks a WG's contact info just for knowing where she works so that he can see her on his next trip, this info gives the monger comfort by knowing he will be able to see her on his upcoming trip. Mongers should realize that various contacts with WGs cost money because mongers gain something mentally through contacts. Whether the amounts WGs ask are fair is debatable, but we can't blame WGs to ask money for keeping contact with mongers.

If a monger doesn't want to be bothered for money by WGs, he shouldn't ask WG's contact info or give his contact info to the WG in the first place.


On a lighter note, Optimist, each time I read your post, I felt that we got the spokesman of Ministry of Foreign Affairs in our community LOL, because you are always very diplomatic. I enjoy your elegant writing.

If a monger keeps the contact of a WG and coordinates with her so that she is there when he visits, both he and she benefit. He repeats with a reliable provider and she obtains guaranteed sessions, perhaps multiple long sessions. There is no reason a monger has to pay for this.

If a monger is looking for something more than answer to a simple "are you working on xyz date during my upcoming visit", then it is a different matter. If a monger sends dozens of texts a day and expects speedy replies, wants and needs facetimes and skypes and phone calls and other comforting goodies, yeah that is time spent by the girl -- and to WGs, time = money, hence she is justified in demanding some dough in return.

It is a bit like time in the club: if you smile at the girl and say Hello and she reciprocates, she is not entitled to any money. If the monger spends hours of couch time, she is justified in demanding some moolah (unless she was Janine).

There are many girls who derive the majority of their business through repeat contacts. They are totally prebooked before they step into the club. Clearly, they could not have done this in pre-smartphone days.

[Bfsie]

If it is only a hundred euros or two and is accompanied by telephone or internet chats and messages then I look upon it as payment for the time and effort they put into telling me they miss me and so on.

You are right. Sorry, fellow mongers, this time I am going to defend WGs' behavior of asking the mongers to send money to them. If a monger didn't gain anything by obtaining a WG's contact info and contacting the WG afterwards, why would he ask a WG's contact info in the first place? Even if a monger asks a WG's contact info just for knowing where she works so that he can see her on his next trip, this info gives the monger comfort by knowing he will be able to see her on his upcoming trip. Mongers should realize that various contacts with WGs cost money because mongers gain something mentally through contacts. Whether the amounts WGs ask are fair is debatable, but we can't blame WGs to ask money for keeping contact with mongers.

If a monger doesn't want to be bothered for money by WGs, he shouldn't ask WG's contact info or give his contact info to the WG in the first place.


On a lighter note, Optimist, each time I read your post, I felt that we got the spokesman of Ministry of Foreign Affairs in our community LOL, because you are always very diplomatic. I enjoy your elegant writing.

[BigBuddy69]

Addiction. 30 days a year listening to classical music or going to church, or the gym, would not be seen as addiction.

You're right but that's not exactly the same cost.

[Optimist]

Addiction. 30 days a year listening to classical music or going to church, or the gym, would not be seen as addiction.

[Optimist]

It is fine to refuse to send money. If the girl knows you are fond of her she will (normally) just wait a while and ask again. And again. And again. They have nothing to lose in asking politely.

If it is only a hundred euros or two and is accompanied by telephone or internet chats and messages then I look upon it as payment for the time and effort they put into telling me they miss me and so on.

When it gets to the thousands then we are talking about serious scamming. It is okay to fall for a shark, but essential to know it is a shark and not a cuddly companion. My current heart capturing girl recently extracted 10,000 euros from a guy who somehow convinced himself the girl was soft on him. I would do anything for this girl except believe her, trust her, and waste my money on her.

[Mr Ho]

Mac,

Addiction is when what you can't help doing, make you suffer, but when you do it and get pleasure, like free riding is for adrenaline, climbing the most difficult mountains trying to break your time record is a challenge every Summer, trying to make play your game to the prettiest girls is so enjoyable, and the most enjoyable is when they improve for you. No addiction, no frustration, just pleasure in mind and dreams.

Ask doctors about meaning of addiction, meaning suffering.

For sure, for those who look for love with girls who go to be fucked by anybody, but for love only in room, good game to get what we enjoy from girls. I really enjoyed on last night at Marina Slovenia, how Mila. Ro, 23 yo, super sexy, changed of behavior, so far from her usual 10 mn rooms with Italians for 70 , but 1 h30 taking care of her, I loved how she looked at me when I entered deep inside of her, so enjoyable to see tears in her eyes when I told her at the end of sex: you see, you are able to be a woman for love, a princess, not only a 10 mn girl. Even only 210 for 1 h30 , when she is used to make 70 in 10 mn, and I refused extra she asked only when I paid for kissing, but according to her smiles and kisses after, I think I will be welcome to repeat, to make her feel again woman, with kisses, caresses, DATY to YamaYama, and going deep inside of her, making her face becoming red.

FKK land is a playfield for games, like mountains are playfield for sports. Just have to be able to understand limits of games.

For us mongering is not addiction, it is one stop solution to used to be limited supply.

Once upon a time, not so long ago, men were limited access to having sex with beautiful girls as we want, how we want, when we want and what we want, but FKK and some other platform solved such problem for men for reasonable price.

FKK platform is like uber of prostitution industry.

[KaveMan]

Most of the readers and posters here are addicts. Many are spending 30 plus days in the club per year

I would say that is a sweeping ill-informed generalization.

Addict is just another label.

Are the well behaved family-men; not just Eunuchs if they are in a a sex-less marriage.

Are the faithful husbands of fat, wrinkled, 50+ year Women not Masochists?

One man's paradise is another man's prison.

No one is going to give you a medal on your death bed because you stayed home and paid the bills for 75 yrs.

Picasso was dating an 18 yr old when he was 50.

Men are attracted to female youth and fertility, no morality or prudishness is going to change evolution.

[Member #4581]

Practical advice. If she is asking for a money transfer on Western Union, say that you are under personal tax audit and cannot make any transfers at the moment. Say you have enough cash for her when you see her next time at the club.

Why bother telling lies? I personally don't like to lie unless absolutely necessary. We don't owe them *any* explanation. A curt "sorry, no!" will suffice. If she gets upset, so be it. There are many other girls, and even more newer ones always coming in.

[FKKLife]

Hi all,

Coming into Frankfurt & only have 2 days to spend & just curious from the seasoned vets & current attendees if you would recommend Oase on Sat & Sharks on Sun or the other way around? I do want to check out both clubs just not sure which is the better play right now to see their best talent, thanks in advance!

[Smoke Light]

Posters here have opened up about "falling" for a WG. They threw money and gifts at her, hoping to impress her or win her affection. If she asks for a Western Union transfer on WhatsApp, he may be afraid to say "no" to her, because he fears that he will lose her. It's the sunk cost fallacy.

I absolutely agree. Falling in love with a prostitute is similar to swimming in water with a shark 10 times larger than you while bleeding. Unless you find a way out of the water, you will be destroyed. She may even feel sorry before eating you up alive.

Practical advice. If she is asking for a money transfer on Western Union, say that you are under personal tax audit and cannot make any transfers at the moment. Say you have enough cash for her when you see her next time at the club. 50% of the time she will stop texting you almost completely, which should tell you how much she really cares. Small gifts and long rooms are OK as long as you get free extras and multiple pops. No need for long rooms if you pop only once. To prevent long stays in the room, tell her you want to watch her pick other clients at the club because it's your sex fantasy.

[Sirioja]

This segment of the population, as you say, is not well-informed. I suspect that many of these pandas are infrequent, or one-time visitors and thus have no reason to invest the time to "learn" from our discussions here or any other pay sex forums. If a one-time or infrequent visitor, then they are probably not taking Viagra and the adrenaline of being a newbie probably means they pop within a few minutes. The quick pop means that they probably wouldn't extend past the 30 minute mark. If not using Viagra, they may not attempt a second session that day. While 200 for 15 minutes is certainly a financial windfall for a WG, you would need a large number of such ill-informed pandas to distort the market. Some discussion here lately has suggested that the pandas at Sharks are more informed than the ones at say Mainhattan.

Most of the readers and posters here are addicts. Many are spending 30 plus days in the club per year, 14 hours per visit, sampling 4 WGs per day, therefore we have a relatively greater impact on the market. I have nothing against those guys who do long rooms, overnights, or make themselves exclusive to a single FKK club wife. I am simply advocating for these mongers to negotiate the best possible value. Being a platinum level customer should entitle you receive some customer loyalty rewards.

True. But some mongers who are spending large sums are "blinded by love" or they are believing everything that the WG is telling them. Here are two scenarios:.

Mac,

Addiction is when what you can't help doing, make you suffer, but when you do it and get pleasure, like free riding is for adrenaline, climbing the most difficult mountains trying to break your time record is a challenge every Summer, trying to make play your game to the prettiest girls is so enjoyable, and the most enjoyable is when they improve for you. No addiction, no frustration, just pleasure in mind and dreams.

Ask doctors about meaning of addiction, meaning suffering.

For sure, for those who look for love with girls who go to be fucked by anybody, but for love only in room, good game to get what we enjoy from girls. I really enjoyed on last night at Marina Slovenia, how Mila. Ro, 23 yo, super sexy, changed of behavior, so far from her usual 10 mn rooms with Italians for 70 € , but 1 h30 taking care of her, I loved how she looked at me when I entered deep inside of her, so enjoyable to see tears in her eyes when I told her at the end of sex: you see, you are able to be a woman for love, a princess, not only a 10 mn girl. Even only 210 for 1 h30 , when she is used to make 70 in 10 mn, and I refused extra she asked only when I paid for kissing, but according to her smiles and kisses after, I think I will be welcome to repeat, to make her feel again woman, with kisses, caresses, DATY to YamaYama, and going deep inside of her, making her face becoming red.

FKK land is a playfield for games, like mountains are playfield for sports. Just have to be able to understand limits of games.

[Chongmal]

Well many guys who do long rooms are negatively impacting the local monger as well.

McA,

You know me too well, I am a pancake maker. I do occasionally feel bad for the other guys when I take a girl for a long session, but about five seconds into my BJ and I forget about them and it's all about me.

[Member #4581]

Most of the readers and posters here are addicts. Many are spending 30 plus days in the club per year, 14 hours per visit, sampling 4 WGs per day, therefore we have a relatively greater impact on the market. I have nothing against those guys who do long rooms, overnights, or make themselves exclusive to a single FKK club wife. I am simply advocating for these mongers to negotiate the best possible value. Being a platinum level customer should entitle you receive some customer loyalty rewards.

True. But some mongers who are spending large sums are "blinded by love" or they are believing everything that the WG is telling them. Here are two scenarios:

Posters here have opened up about "falling" for a WG. They threw money and gifts at her, hoping to impress her or win her affection. If she asks for a Western Union transfer on WhatsApp, he may be afraid to say "no" to her, because he fears that he will lose her. It's the sunk cost fallacy. He's invested so much in her up until this point. In his mind, she is starting to fall in love with him, so he doesn't want to lose that momentum. My stance: if a WG starts to exhibit greed or does something to upset him, he should put her on probation. Cut off her payments. If she gives him the silent treatment, he shouldn't apologize right away. He and his whale wallet are the prize. She should be afraid of losing him, and doing everything to impress him. He should even be the one throwing tantrums sometimes!

Posters here have also made statements like "Wow, I am small potatoes compared to how much her rich clients spend on her". I am of the opinion that most WGs will exaggerate how much their whales actually spend on them. They may do this hoping that the customer cares enough for her to get into a bidding war.

I am in complete agreement with your last two paragraphs.

Falling for a WG is a fool's errand. It leads to nothing but a broken heart, emotional bitterness and financial ruin 99% of the time. (I would have said 100% but every once in a while, someone comes up with a random male Cinderella story).

I also agree that it is completely in the girls' interest to lie and exaggerate about her "other her rich clients". Here is a typical scenario.

Once she knows you have a strong interest in her (but not yet head over heels), she will try to create jealousy and competition "this other guy is giving me all these gifts and showering me with thousands of dollars". At the same time, she will also claim she has an immediate monetary need because she is somewhat insolvent despite all her massive earnings streams as she donated the money to a mom / sister yadda yadda. So, on one hand she wants your sympathy and pity and on the other hand jealousy and feeling of inadequacy and need to compete with a superior suitor. That these counter claims on your wallet are somewhat contradictory may not be obvious if you are blinded by love and lust.

[McAdonis]

Even the Asian tourists paying 150 to 200 an hour are probably not destroying the market intentionally, but just don't know any better.

This segment of the population, as you say, is not well-informed. I suspect that many of these pandas are infrequent, or one-time visitors and thus have no reason to invest the time to "learn" from our discussions here or any other pay sex forums. If a one-time or infrequent visitor, then they are probably not taking Viagra and the adrenaline of being a newbie probably means they pop within a few minutes. The quick pop means that they probably wouldn't extend past the 30 minute mark. If not using Viagra, they may not attempt a second session that day. While 200 for 15 minutes is certainly a financial windfall for a WG, you would need a large number of such ill-informed pandas to distort the market. Some discussion here lately has suggested that the pandas at Sharks are more informed than the ones at say Mainhattan.

If guys of variable means and needs interact with sex suppliers, the ones with higher needs and bigger wallets are likely to overwhelm the ones with lesser needs and smaller wallets. Should the former be blamed?

Most of the readers and posters here are addicts. Many are spending 30 plus days in the club per year, 14 hours per visit, sampling 4 WGs per day, therefore we have a relatively greater impact on the market. I have nothing against those guys who do long rooms, overnights, or make themselves exclusive to a single FKK club wife. I am simply advocating for these mongers to negotiate the best possible value. Being a platinum level customer should entitle you receive some customer loyalty rewards.

Some ISGers or some mongers in general may just be into long rooms because they already know what they want, which girls they like and realized over time that they find half hour sessions not satisfying and that they can't finish in such sessions.

True. But some mongers who are spending large sums are "blinded by love" or they are believing everything that the WG is telling them. Here are two scenarios:

Posters here have opened up about "falling" for a WG. They threw money and gifts at her, hoping to impress her or win her affection. If she asks for a Western Union transfer on WhatsApp, he may be afraid to say "no" to her, because he fears that he will lose her. It's the sunk cost fallacy. He's invested so much in her up until this point. In his mind, she is starting to fall in love with him, so he doesn't want to lose that momentum. My stance: if a WG starts to exhibit greed or does something to upset him, he should put her on probation. Cut off her payments. If she gives him the silent treatment, he shouldn't apologize right away. He and his whale wallet are the prize. She should be afraid of losing him, and doing everything to impress him. He should even be the one throwing tantrums sometimes!

Posters here have also made statements like "Wow, I am small potatoes compared to how much her rich clients spend on her". I am of the opinion that most WGs will exaggerate how much their whales actually spend on them. They may do this hoping that the customer cares enough for her to get into a bidding war.