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08-18-18 14:49 #836
Posts: 217Originally Posted by Breadman [View Original Post]
If you are a couple most companions will charge extra but this will be shown before you confirm the booking.
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08-18-18 10:50 #835
Posts: 3478Rate quotation
Some agency websites spell out the rate for anal and lesbian action as a specific cost, others do not. And Independence don't have websites or a means to tell you what they might charge for extras. If the extra price isn't listed under the girls profile then there shouldn't be any extra fees Beyond the original price.
So the question is if I was the book a girl who is stated as a lesbian as an independent for me and my girl and she quoted me an extra fee for her service do I still have to pay a cancellation fee if it is too high?
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08-18-18 00:41 #834
Posts: 4Frankly, my only real reason to comment was from an effort to clarify how I see it being problematic from a customer viewpoint.
As I have no direct experience with Smooci yet, I cannot comment on the app itself, although I have bought a premium membership and intend to use it later in the year.
From an app perspective, it looks like a very good service, which is also borne out in the fact that many agencies use it, too. So it must have a benefit to them, the girls and the customers. You don't stay in business otherwise.
Same goes for the Smooci team: these kinds of decisions are probably not easy (I am not in your chair). My issue is purely from a customer perspective, as explained in my post: I'd rather not get into a discussion about services when I have the girl at my door. That would just be aggravating. It's probably just an edge case, but still an irritating possibility.
So yes, in a sense I am mainly commenting as someone who thinks the service brings something good, and I would like it to be as good as it can be. As a customer, that's also to my benefit. From an entrepeneur's standpoint, I was actually a bit surprised this kind of app hasn't been adopted much more widely. As to that: here's hoping!
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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08-17-18 21:06 #833
Posts: 217The issue was that around a third of independent companions didn't understand or didn't select full service. As a result we were getting a lot of clients contacting us about it, some not sure what full service meant and some asking why some girls didn't offer it, so we needed to do something. The options were to either set it as standard and get the girls to accept this term as part of the sign up, OR remove it all together. For now we took the second option and will reveiw it again in a few weeks once we are on top of current developments.
Companions do see a longer explanation of the services terms, not just the abbrevation, so when they select their services they would see DFK: Deep French Kissing (for example).
Regarding the twitter feed, this wasn't a tech upgrade in the sense that our tech team had to spend time on it, it's simply an add on / plug in services we used. Those who find it useful can use it and those who don't can ignore it and shouldn't be affected in any way; we haven't lost any development time working on it.
The distance feattures are more necessary for incall service and expansions to other larger cities (especially Manila where some girls have been 2+ hours travel distance from a client). However, this should start to improve the experience for Bangkok too. The escort's app doesn't let girls go online when they are outside of the target GPS areas in centrla Bangkok, but with the upgraded GPS and distance searches it will allow girls on the ourskirts of the city to work on Smooci, and clients will receievs result of girls withintheir radius (based on the time of the booking and the distance of companions).
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08-17-18 12:38 #832
Posts: 60Why can't active / semi-active user receive free membership?
My previous negative comments about Smooci are due to "upgraded" features that doesn't make user experiences any better. Time could have been better spent on other improvements. I get it, each person has their own thought about what is better. The twitter and distance features aren't important to me, but could be for someone else.
I do have a question about your escort enrollment process. When a WG enrolls in the Smooci, what do they see for the Services options? Are these options just the acronym or is there a description of the acronym? One of the WG stated she didn't know what some of the options are, DFK for example, and picked some options. Does the WG signup process state she must provide full service / vaginal intercourse if asked?
In previous version, I notice two WG that did not select FS and I never chose them. The 'FS' symbol attached (or was it 'Full Service', used so many times and I can't even remember) to the Services section is an indicator that the WG provides boom boom, basically a quick validation for a user. Not everyone would assume the missing 'FS' is implied. Bangkok is the land of smile that offer a lot of thing and also omit vaginal intercourse from the menu, been to a BJ or HJ only bar / massage shop? To a newbie, WG having BBBJ, DFK, Massage only service options listed could mean she doesn't get selected.
I hate some of the features, but will continue to use it.
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08-17-18 05:34 #831
Posts: 1222FS or not FS.
Seems Smooci while not explaining why, are saying including FS is problematic for escorts. I can only imagine it's because a customer wrongly assumes it's more than straightforward covered vaginal sex. On the other hand some members are confused when it is not listed. I suggest the answer lies in a much more complete and detailed listing of "services offered" and while you're at it Smooci please a little more detail on the physical attributes of the escort. I have been a customer twice, I sent one back kept the second but both were well off the mark re age.
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08-16-18 17:47 #830
Posts: 5561Originally Posted by Prothall [View Original Post]
Prothall, I don't know if you are a no time, one time or frequent user of Smooci and this being your first post it is a given that you have not been posting anything about it up until now. But that is one of the most immaterial factors on this site for whether or not you have a right to make a comment or ask a question about it and maybe even many questions about it. The reason being SmoociApp has an ongoing thread devoted to his business on this site and therefore benefits greatly from the constant exposure. As an expat living in Bangkok, I probably get asked by newcomers and visitors I meet 3-4 times a month about "escorts" (along with go-go bars, BJ Bars, dating sites, massage shops, whatever) and do I recommend any. I have always only mentioned one name, "Smooci". I tell them to check out Smooci's website, usually bring it up on my phone right then and there to show it to them and have never made a negative comment about them. I can also assure you that not one of those guys asking me about it knew or had heard of Smooci until I told them about it. I see that as my part of the deal here in having a Smooci Thread and his being available to answer what I consider rather ordinary, reasonable and nonthreatening questions about it. And due to the constant exposure to the name on this site.
I am sure I am not the only one here who does this. And I would imagine most of the guys who lurk on this message board are happy to have the name "Smooci" on their lips the moment anyone in Bangkok brings up the topic of escorts, same as I do. We are an unofficial team of field sales reps for the business. And that is even though very few of us likely have ever actually posted a personal experience with Smooci here or ever will. And why not? It's good for this site, good for Smooci, no reason to think it won't be good for someone looking to book an escort in Bangkok.
Can I assume you have done the same? Can I also assume your only real interest in understanding the why of something rather odd like what is being done in this case is to make it even easier for you to promote Smooci as the go-to escort booking site for anyone into such a thing and asking you about it, which I had always assumed is what Smooci would want, what ISG would want and why this thread exists in the first place? Just asking.
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08-16-18 16:05 #829
Posts: 217Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Rather than taking over the thread with your expert opinion and racking up the post count could we please save the thread for client feedback and updates? Actyually, please don't answer that, if possible..
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08-16-18 12:12 #828
Posts: 4Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Ambiguity in agreements can lead to a lot of problems, and it seems a relatively easy issue to solve.
If all girls offer "full service" or whatever term you want to go by, it should be easy to add this as a general statement, in a services page: "All the girls listed on smooci offer "full service" or "sex". Unambiguous terms could be "sex", "intercourse" or whatever. There are plenty to choose from. However, a lot of sites just use "full service" including some of the escort services on your app.
If "full service" is not a default, then it becomes necessary to add it to the list of services the girls need to add explicitly. I'd expect it, and if, when a girl arrives, I am expected to negotiate it (and probably face a surcharge for it) I'd me quite put off.
If independent girls are not familiar with it, it seems that they need to be explained the term, or whatever term is most unambiguous.
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08-16-18 04:26 #827
Posts: 5561Originally Posted by SmoociApp [View Original Post]
Is there someone at Smooci making sure that is all cleared up and well understood for every new 20 year old companion sign up that comes along? What words do they use for it so as not to create any confusion or misunderstanding?
My questions might annoy you because I pursue the answers more diligently than you prefer I suppose. Maybe that comes across as "negative", but it is not meant to be. But, frankly, that is because your answers are often a bit strange. You bury and essentially hide deep into the blog on your site the very good (my assessment of them, remember?) examples for what might deserve a 5 Star Rating vs a 1 Star Rating along with the explanation that a 1 Star Rating is the worst you can give (and not "no" rating), examples that would go a long way to giving the Star Ratings a more coherent and useful meaning rather than putting them on a page and in the face of everyone who enters the site and later about to give a rating because "nobody reads them"?
On this issue, you assert here that you "looked at our top 10 competitors (directories and escort listings) and only 3 used the term 'full service' as an option", without mentioning that virtually all of the others probably replaced that term with another more explicit one that still means "fucking" and with an assurance that it is included in the price already stated, which is what I mentioned in two of my posts about this previously. Why not replace FS or Full Service with one of the many other terms that means "fucking" that I am quite sure many of those competitors must be using?
And I guess it will remain unanswered what happens to that 1,000-1,500 baht cancellation fee on arrival when the guy finds out for the first time the girl does not provide FS or "fucking" (or, far more likely, does not provide it at the stated rate) and the girl has no idea why he would think she does (or for that amount) since it is clearly "not on her menu" where he booked her.
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08-16-18 02:33 #826
Posts: 217Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
What you are saying is incorrect. The decision to remove the term 'full service' wasn't done on impulse, we had been considering it for some time and looked at our top 10 competitors (directories and escort listings) and only 3 used the term 'full service' as an option. We took the option to remove it for a month to see if that eased the issue (it was genuinely confusing a lot of clients and companions) and so far it seems to have eased the problem. If we start seeing any issues we will look at re-adding it and forcing it on all profiles.
I'm afraid there really is no hidden agenda or secret motive and the person outspoken about the removal of the term full seems to be a guy who never has or never will use our service.
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08-16-18 01:51 #825
Posts: 5561Originally Posted by NattyBumpo [View Original Post]
And the issue might not evolve to be merely whether or not FS is refused, but whether girls will now consider it "off the menu" (which it most definitely is at this moment) and therefore up for discussion, renegotiation and upcharging for it in the room.
Here is why it matters and ought to matter even for punters who have not yet been effected by it, Natty. All of these P4P platforms eventually influence the entire industry in a particular destination for good or ill. There is a ripple effect. Always. And it is often only up to wary punters to put an end to something highly questionable before it becomes a new "standard" to the detriment of punters. What was assumed to be "standard" can be easily and quickly dropped from the program or be charged extra for when the establishments support the change and the girls see an obvious opportunity to exploit it. Whether it is Pay Upfront in one venue that sounds very interesting to others, upcharging for A+, recoiling in horror by the very thought of DFK, no removal of lower clothing, covered BJ or no CIM in this or that BJ Bar and on and on. My fellow punters, you sit in silence and blithely accept these things at your monetary and sexual pleasure peril.
I am not saying every move and change must be the result of evil intent. But even changes made with the best of intentions can go wrong soon enough. And not just for that one venue. IMHO, any and all changes are worth questioning and considering where it could lead unless it is overwhelmingly obvious it will right now benefit the punter. Frankly, I don't see the inclusion of the term Full Service or the simple two letters (FS) or even if you have to spell it out as "Vaginal Sex" as a heavy burden for any website, especially when the potential customer's cursor moving over it defines it exactly the same way the terms COB, DATY and so on are described and while there is ample room all over the website to provide a glossary of terms to handle whatever the customer service reps over at Smooci are annoyed by all that much. Sorry, but I suspect there is more to this sudden new problem with this rather simple concept and long accepted method of assuring FS is on the table at the prices listed that is not being revealed just yet (yep, maybe not even to Smooci!) and has almost zero chance of being better for the punter partaking of Smooci and other venues around town in the long run.
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08-15-18 18:37 #824
Posts: 217Originally Posted by NattyBumpo [View Original Post]
Since launching independents several months ago we received weekly, almost daily contacts from clients and companions asking about Full Service. Many didn't understand what it means and many companions didn't select it. The was causing too much confusions and we found that many other sites don't use the term so we decided to drop it for now.
Companions must select at least one service to be able to go online, and we agree that the vast majority of clients and companions understand that as an escort platform full protected intercourse is expected (at least in the current launch areas). It has helped ease that previous issue, but of course if any other issues arrise from this we will try to address them quickly and adapt and review it again.
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08-15-18 17:56 #823
Posts: 3040Full Service is the default
Before we go way too far into the weeds on this, I have one question: Has ANYONE personally ever had a Smooci girl refuse to give him full service?
I think the answer is so obvious that I see no point in belaboring the issue. Everybody knows that covered vaginal intercourse is the default universally agreed upon standard service and all the girls do it UNLESS the customer wants something else (something less) like holding hands, a hand job, or blow job. CIM is not usually a viable substitute. Neither is anal sex unless the girl agrees to it beforehand which in LOS is rare. So, I would be very surprised if any Smooci customers reading this have experienced a full-service rejection unless there was something very wrong with him or his penis.
I would, however, assume that the question of not living up to all the services listed as available is a more common issue concerning the lesser services like BBBJ's and DFK. A lot of items are listed on a girl's page, but that individual girl may not perform every one of those things in the bedroom with a particular client. The point being; nothing is absolutely guaranteed anywhere for anything. Not from a Smooci girl, a Go Go girl, a massage girl, or a FL. Most experienced punters know this. That is why we engage a girl in conversation and a little flirtation before we make a deal, so we can assess her personality, the chemistry between us, and the likelihood that the possible upcoming tryst will be a good one. This is the major drawback of the escort business model although I take note that Smooci does offer a 10 minute decision period in which to decide whether to keep the girl or send her back. I wonder what the percentages of rejecting a girl upon arrival are.
Otherwise a Smooci customer's only other recourse when he is not given all the services promised on the website and requested in the loom, is to make a formal complaint or post a negative review. But remember, it is always the attitude of the girl that is the most important factor. A girl with a good attitude is likely to provide good service. A girl with a bad attitude yada yada yada.
Again, I assume that in 99.999% of Smooci appointments, covered vaginal intercourse is at least offered by the girl. Now whether it is any good or not, ha ha, that is another question.
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08-15-18 17:52 #822
Posts: 217Originally Posted by Breadman [View Original Post]
This will help us allow girls to join who are based outside central Bangkok (and similarly with Manila and other larger cities). Manila is a good example as the main booking areas seem to be spread out, girls are spread out even furtehr, and traffic can play a huge factor.