East China - Shanghai

[SamCan]

After my MP that turned into a hotel visit, I rested up and did the judys manhattans visits. Before I started I went to the blind pig for some awesome smoked BBQ. Trust me when I say I know Q. They do an amazing job and it's a great place to warm up. The cook there is from the USA.

I was completely lost with so many to choose. It's been a while and the more I looked the worse it got. Finally I found a 35 year old Viet that turned me on. Granted their were younger more beautiful girls but sometimes an aged wine is good. She was a definite 7. She, however banged like an 8. Showered. Together in bed she Licked me from head to tow BJ cowgirl, doggie, mish. All very good. she had committed to 2 pops and delivered. Brought me up in less than an hour for a second go. Definitely repeatable at 1200.

Went back to the bar after. Looked for allforbb. Who PM.d me. But we missed each other. Took down 2 girls names for later. Promised to call For an afternoon visit. Called one callled "H". She came to the hotel and I was a little disappointed She was much better in the j lighting than now. Still do able

She came to the room. Tiny spinner first time in sh. She had been there 3 days and I was her first customer. When I heard that I knew it wasn't going to be good. You'the think getting them fresh would be good. Not my experience now 3 timws.

We showered hit the bed. CBJ multiple positions. She complained on the penetration as she was tiny. We changed again.

She cuddled and stuff after but I couldn't get a 2 round. I forot to negotiate that last night. She jumped on her phone as she has a business in Vietnam. That did it and I threw her out around 4. Would not repeat.

Original plan had been to bring over Annie for a performance test after H. It wasnt happing as I was done. Went over to 250 yuyuan lu. An MP favorite. I knew my fave was back in the home city. The girl I met was from Sichuan. Great hard massage roaming all in she asked for a tip at points as I pushed the envelope not far enough for what I tipped but still happy overall. I offered her rmb to come to my room. I jokingly got to 2K for an hour. She was still saying no. She. Wasnt worth 2 k. I just wanted to. Know If shed take it. Anyway. After 4 pops In 36 hours junior wasnt cooperating. She had to work extra hard to get me finished. I tipped accordingly 5 pops in my first 30hours in Shanghai. Good to be back.

[SamCan]

Welcome back to SH. I never considered takeout from MPs, but it seems like old hat to you. What do you do? Tell her to meet you at your hotel in X number of minutes or leave together? I am interested in the procedure that works best for you. My MO these days is get their wechat and arrange meetings on their day off. Never occured to me that takeout is viable.

This was a first (well second) for me. I really didn't expect the response but that's why you got to try!
She said she could leave if I said ok. I was trying to set something up for later but what the heck.
She walked 50yards behind me all the way to the hotel. It seemed to be her choice. I couldnt get her to understand hotel directions so she could call a cab. It was close enough to walk

She also made me wait out front of the store while she changed. I guess her boss didnt know.

By the way. During the massage ,She was very concerned about the HE. Although she started it without being asked. She stopped twice when she heard voices at the door and covered me up. Times we are in I guess

[Midwestern]

I arrived Sh today. I was walking down wanhang du lu and spotted the infamous alley of years ago. There were two girls and a man out front sweeping the alley. The girls were in the white shirts with the famous black shorts I haven't seen in quite a while. Walked down and the shop is open renovated and looks better than ever. Took a shower and got the 298 massage. Xiao xiao was my girl. Solid 27 year old. 7 rating spinner. Less than 5 feet tall with large be cups for her little size. She let me slide them out and kiss them while she worked junior. I stopped her before she finished me as I have bigger plans tonight. I asked her to come back to my hotel. She said Now? BTW it appears he and a little roaming is in the price as there was no discussion on a tip.

Back at the hotel, we showered together then DATY. She damn near pushed my head down there LOL. Mish, doggie mish. Pop! It's been a while. Didn't take long. She rushed me a little but she was fun. Got digits but doubt I'll repeat at 800 a deal. At 1000 not so much. She is pretty however. She took the curse off but hoping for a bigger event tonight at J and Ms.

Damages were 1000 one pop from a non pro. Sometimes the girls have to pay the boss to leave. I didn't ask. I tried for 800 but it wasn't happening. I wanted her. Her English is non existent as is her ability to use pin yin. It's written chinese and chinese speaking. Her dialect from Guilin made it tough for me but we struggled through the negotiations.

Welcome back to SH. I never considered takeout from MPs, but it seems like old hat to you. What do you do? Tell her to meet you at your hotel in X number of minutes or leave together? I am interested in the procedure that works best for you. My MO these days is get their wechat and arrange meetings on their day off. Never occurred to me that takeout is viable.

[Karl Rose]

I arrived Sh today. I was walking down wanhang du lu and spotted the infamous alley of years ago. There were two girls and a man out front sweeping the alley. The girls were in the white shirts with the famous black shorts I haven't seen in quite a while. Walked down and the shop is open renovated and looks better than ever. Took a shower and got the 298 massage. Xiao xiao was my girl. Solid 27 year old. 7 rating spinner. Less than 5 feet tall with large be cups for her little size. She let me slide them out and kiss them while she worked junior. I stopped her before she finished me as I have bigger plans tonight. I asked her to come back to my hotel. She said Now? BTW it appears he and a little roaming is in the price as there was no discussion on a tip.

Back at the hotel, we showered together then DATY. She damn near pushed my head down there LOL. Mish, doggie mish. Pop! It's been a while. Didn't take long. She rushed me a little but she was fun. Got digits but doubt I'll repeat at 800 a deal. At 1000 not so much. She is pretty however. She took the curse off but hoping for a bigger event tonight at J and Ms..

Thanks a lot. Nice finding. I would like to try that MP. Do you have the exact address? Please.

[Leviton6]

I arrived Sh today. I was walking down wanhang du lu and spotted the infamous alley of years ago. There were two girls and a man out front sweeping the alley. The girls were in the white shirts with the famous black shorts I haven't seen in quite a while. Walked down and the shop is open renovated and looks better than ever. Took a shower and got the 298 massage. Xiao xiao was my girl. Solid 27 year old. 7 rating spinner. Less than 5 feet tall with large be cups for her little size. She let me slide them out and kiss them while she worked junior. I stopped her before she finished me as I have bigger plans tonight. I asked her to come back to my hotel. She said Now? BTW it appears he and a little roaming is in the price as there was no discussion on a tip.

Back at the hotel, we showered together then DATY. She damn near pushed my head down there LOL. Mish, doggie mish. Pop! It's been a while. Didn't take long. She rushed me a little but she was fun. Got digits but doubt I'll repeat at 800 a deal. At 1000 not so much. She is pretty however. She took the curse off but hoping for a bigger event tonight at J and Ms.

Damages were 1000 one pop from a non pro. Sometimes the girls have to pay the boss to leave. I didn't ask. I tried for 800 but it wasn't happening. I wanted her. Her English is non existent as is her ability to use pin yin. It's written chinese and chinese speaking. Her dialect from Guilin made it tough for me but we struggled through the negotiations.

Nice find Sam and thanks for sharing as usual. I wish I could be in Shanghai to meet up to buy you drinks but I don't go again until Oct. Have a great time and we all look forward to hear about your adventures. Damn I'm jealous. LOL.

[Daldm]

I speak and write Chinese. Can you give me search strings. I'll give it a try. Thanks.

Seems that I can't answear your question (didn't pass the forum moderator review phase), maybe I'll send you a PM once I subscribe to the forum (won't be that soon).

[SamCan]

I arrived Sh today. I was walking down wanhang du lu and spotted the infamous alley of years ago. There were two girls and a man out front sweeping the alley. The girls were in the white shirts with the famous black shorts I haven't seen in quite a while. Walked down and the shop is open renovated and looks better than ever. Took a shower and got the 298 massage. Xiao xiao was my girl. Solid 27 year old. 7 rating spinner. Less than 5 feet tall with large be cups for her little size. She let me slide them out and kiss them while she worked junior. I stopped her before she finished me as I have bigger plans tonight. I asked her to come back to my hotel. She said Now? BTW it appears he and a little roaming is in the price as there was no discussion on a tip.

Back at the hotel, we showered together then DATY. She damn near pushed my head down there LOL. Mish, doggie mish. Pop! It's been a while. Didn't take long. She rushed me a little but she was fun. Got digits but doubt I'll repeat at 800 a deal. At 1000 not so much. She is pretty however. She took the curse off but hoping for a bigger event tonight at J and Ms.

Damages were 1000 one pop from a non pro. Sometimes the girls have to pay the boss to leave. I didn't ask. I tried for 800 but it wasn't happening. I wanted her. Her English is non existent as is her ability to use pin yin. It's written chinese and chinese speaking. Her dialect from Guilin made it tough for me but we struggled through the negotiations.

[SamCan]

Thanks whiskey your data helps all. I'm in Shanghai. That's why I asked the girls name LOL. Can't PM you so I'm on my own hunt I guess.

Not busting you at all. I've dropped 200 rmb on a night on drinks for girls I didn't take home. Spend it the way you want but know your spending it. It's the guys that think they got a great deal at 2 k that worry me. If you know you can get her for less but you want to pay more that's up to you. Some one told me something a long time ago at M. If you get a girl tonight at 2 k they are all going to cost 2k every night till you leave. Like us they talk about this stuff. They also don’t want to be the paycheck.

I took one girl early in the night. She had 3 customers by night end. My regulars knew it and told me the next night. I did pay the least by the way. It was 1000/2. Everyone else had sloppy 3 rds and 4 ths. Haha.

If you go home feeling screwed but not that you got screwed you won! There was a girl I've paid 1200 for every time I see her. I wanted her 3 years ago and that set the rate. We've seen each other many times over the years. She's flown to sh when she's know I was coming. She's also the one that took me home for free one night if you remember that post.

Thanks whiskey. You did your part. Great reports. I'm calling you whiskeycan. From here on our.

[Mac The Night]

First, big thanks to Sam Can and Whiskey for sharing insights. I've visited Manhattan's several times (and reported here) and I've found it to be too loud, small to be able to find even a spot of floor to stand on, although with only one exception the selection has always been great.

So, I tried Judy's for a change and am glad I did. Followed the advise to take a Taxi (using DiDi app) to The Portman Ritz-Carlton and walked around the block. Three minutes tops to M, four to J's. Judy's is roomier with more seating options. Alas, none for me though while entering at 10:00. The place was packed. Favorable ratio of 70:30. Lots of 5-6 options available with some solid 8's mixed in, but all engaged with their marks. Was aggressively pursued by a 45-ish lady who's seen better days. With so many other younger and prettier creatures around, hard to be polite but I managed to get my 45 RMB Tiger draft beer, say cheers and walk on.

Again, really good selection. While I was looking around, one 20-ish Viet cutie came to me and chatted me up. Not my first choice on looks alone but good English, bubbly personality, great smile and the more we talked, and the more I checked out her tight little bod, the closer I got to making a deal.

She asked for 2 k for ST. (I guess I'm the fat guy with no personality. LOL) I countered with 1 k and we eventually settled for 1.5 k for 2 hrs /2 pops. (I suck at negotiating, especially with a pretty face and plumped up pert titties smiling up at me.).

So, another DiDi and 20 minutes later back to my hotel in Minhang. Session was great, started with shower together then went straight to it, totally unrushed and 7. 5/10 service. GFE, BBBJ, DATY and covered FS. Nice intermission with pleasant conversation and playful touching. Round 2 was more energetic. She's a trooper. Great sound effects, too. I bet my next-door neighbors thought so, too.

Anyway, she'll be in town till mid-September. PM me if you want her WeChat for a delivery service. (I got her permission to share with my friends) Nice and lovely girl, please be kind to her.

[Playboy2000]

You can find them using the qq group search function, but a lot of group don't accept new members with a very new qq account for various reasons, like: full, scammers, guys who want to enter to just send advertising, LE, etc.

But you need at least some Chinese skill to communicate with the organizer.

I speak and write Chinese. Can you give me search strings. I'll give it a try. Thanks.

[SnrMan]

Oh! I like that! Thanks for the Tip.

Hey whiskey, you want to improve your trip report. Give a name to the girl (don't worry you aren't going to be able to keep her for yourself anyway) and give the price you paid. Or at least a range. I 'am real curious if you got the 1000 rmb 2 pop rule or something else. You said sam was right.

Many guys doubt me when I give this target. Many give me a lot of crap about it. If my numbers work for you, please weigh in. If you overpaid that is ok too. Frankly, I have not been there since early this year. With all the Saunas closing supply is less. I will be curious what I have to pay this time.

As my time is short this trip, I am actually more interested in different pops with different women than what I have to pay.

My first night last time, I had lilly 1000 for 2 pops, walked her back to manhattans from the portman after and bought her a drink. I left her and ran into the girl that took 800 for a great bang. (a few posts down you will see a copy of the original post).

I remember the bouncer laughing at me when he saw me heading out for a second round. He pointed and said "laowai, (foreigner). He was telling his buddy, there I go again.

Samcan- I've generally been in your price range, with qualifier that I'm too old for 2 pops and the women skew aplder. Generally 1000. I'll go 1200 if I'm very impressed, but rare. Currently hearing complaints of not many customers from girls; was in J last Fri night at 3:30 (admittedly very late) and I was practically only guy left standing. So you should be able to do OK at your price target.

[Whiskey7]

For what it's worth, here's my take on cost.

I think what you pay depends on a number of different factors (and others have pointed most of this out before). Supply and demand is definitely a factor. And the night I was there (a Tuesday) there was a lot more supply than demand. But both places were very busy, so it wasn't like it was dead. Having said that, given the ratio of girls to guys (70:30), I've no doubt a lot of ladies went home without making a penny that night. Still, I'm sure they have their lower limits for what they'll go for (I. E. Most would prob prefer to go home alone and make nothing than taking just a few hundred rmb). But definitely it was a buyers market that particular night.

I'm also sure (again, as others have mentioned) that the overall make-up (looks and personality) of the potential client plays a role. If you're Brad Pitt they're going back with you for zero. If you're a maniacal looking serial-killer type, they're going to want a big payday to take that chance. Then there's everything in between. For most of us this probably isn't a huge factor, but I think it could easily make a few hundred rmb difference one way or the other (I. E. The slim, fit, good-looking guy with the easy-going personality is easily going to get a lower price than the overweight, sweaty guy with no personality). I know not everyone wants to hear that, but I think it's just the way it is.

Okay, on to my particular case. I'm no Brad Pitt, but I'm in decent shape and I think I have an easy-going personality and I can make a girl laugh and feel comfortable. I don't think this played much of a factor for my first night, but I think it was a big factor in the repeat on the Saturday night. I'll explain more later.

My goal was the SamCan 1 k 2 pop. The negotiation went really quickly. She started at 1500 and I started at 800. We quickly decided on 1000 for 2 pops. It was a very easy and amicable negotiation. But then I did something that will probably frustrate some of you, but for me I think it was a very inexpensive way to get a service level and overall experience that I wouldn't otherwise have received. A few minutes after we agreed the price, as we were leaving, I told her that I think she needs to improve her negotiating skills, that I would have paid 1200 easily because she is beautiful. Then we had a fun exchange and I told her I was going to pay her the 1200 anyway. Okay, I understand this sounds very corny, but it got a great laugh out of her and I believe it really helped strengthen whatever connection we had and played a big factor in me having two fantastic sessions with her. Yeah, you can say 'of course they're going to be / seem happier if you give them more,' but for me it was worth it. And yeah, you could argue that I could have just tipped afterwards if the service was good. My approach was different, some would say stupid. But I think it worked really well.

And, for the record, the service was off the charts that first night. It was very GFE. And I think my late maneuver paid huge dividends.

If you read my earlier post you'll know I also hooked up with the same girl on Saturday evening. The service was again off the charts. In fact that Saturday night was easily my best experience ever playing this game, and I've been doing it for a while. The interesting thing here is we never negotiated any price for Saturday evening. Money was never mentioned at all. Even when we were parting I just gave her what I thought was fair and she just put it in her purse without counting it. I gave her more that night because it was Saturday and I know that's their biggest night and I didn't want her to feel like she'd been stiffed. I think I could easily have given her 1200 again and she'd have been fine with it. The reason I say that is I'm sure for most of these girls they'd take a little less in exchange for knowing they're going to have a safe evening with someone they know and trust.

So I can definitely confirm SamCan's assertion that 1 k 2 pops are available, at least on a Tuesday night. I got the best looking girl in J to agree to to that price that night. I've no doubt there were a lot of girls in there that night who'd easily have gone for 800 or less. Obviously I can't say what the price might have been on a Saturday night, maybe it'd be hard to get an 8 for that price on a busy weekend, but I've no doubt you could get a very decent 6 or 7 for that price on a Saturday. And maybe you could get an 8 for that price if you've got decent game.

Overall I paid more than I needed to, but certainly not extravagantly so. I paid maybe 20% more than I might have. But I think I paid a very fair price for the experience I got. And I feel like the person I shared that time with also felt good about what she got, and that's important to me.

[SamCan]

I always manage to get a seat in M. I usually find a Bar Steward, hand him a 100 note and ask him to find me a table. He will usually move girls occupying a table and let me have it.

Have fun guys.

Red.

Oh! I like that! Thanks for the Tip.

Hey whiskey, you want to improve your trip report. Give a name to the girl (don't worry you aren't going to be able to keep her for yourself anyway) and give the price you paid. Or at least a range. I 'am real curious if you got the 1000 rmb 2 pop rule or something else. You said sam was right.

Many guys doubt me when I give this target. Many give me a lot of crap about it. If my numbers work for you, please weigh in. If you overpaid that is ok too. Frankly, I have not been there since early this year. With all the Saunas closing supply is less. I will be curious what I have to pay this time.

As my time is short this trip, I am actually more interested in different pops with different women than what I have to pay.

My first night last time, I had lilly 1000 for 2 pops, walked her back to manhattans from the portman after and bought her a drink. I left her and ran into the girl that took 800 for a great bang. (a few posts down you will see a copy of the original post).

I remember the bouncer laughing at me when he saw me heading out for a second round. He pointed and said "laowai, (foreigner). He was telling his buddy, there I go again.

[Red Hawk]

Great report Whiskey.

I always manage to get a seat in M. I usually find a Bar Steward, hand him a 100 note and ask him to find me a table. He will usually move girls occupying a table and let me have it.

Have fun guys.

Red.

[Daldm]

Nice report Daldm.

Can you give some advice about how to find these QQ groups that organize KTV parties? Better yet, are there wechat groups?

If anyone reading this lives in Shanghai and would like to go to KTV in Shanghai or Suzhou, send me a PM, and we can organize something together. If you are just passing thru Shanghai, don't bother. To hard to find a common date.

PB.

You can find them using the qq group search function, but a lot of group don't accept new members with a very new qq account for various reasons, like: full, scammers, guys who want to enter to just send advertising, LE, etc.

But you need at least some Chinese skill to communicate with the organizer.