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08-18-18 15:29 #11491
Posts: 1517A butthead might say that porn addiction is less harmful as it is medically most safe and obviously the least expensive.
However, even the butthead would probably agree that sex with a young pretty girl beats sex with one's own hands -- hands down, no pun.
Of course addiction of any kind is an unfortunate thing.
I don't know if I would classify attendance of a certain number (30 or whatever) as addiction. Addiction Board in the US calls addiction a primary chronic disease of the brain. Websters defines addiction as a persistent, compulsive need of something known by the user to be harmful *AND* well defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawl.
I don't think most mongers think FKKing is harmful (other than depletion of financial resources), and I think many of us stay away from clubs for long stretches due to a variety of reasons.
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08-18-18 14:45 #11490
Posts: 2207Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
As for addiction, I agree with McA, most of us (including me) are totally addicted, and the most addicted guy here is obviously the guy who is in total denial. I'm not into paying a girl for texting me "oh I miss you blablabla", I asked the girl's number only if I want to know her working days when I come. And actually, I realized that every time I got a girl's number, it ended bad.
I prefer to bring the girls some lingerie from time to time and the present is also for me: I like to see them wearing this when we go into some physical intimacy.
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08-18-18 12:48 #11489
Posts: 6400Nope!
Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
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08-18-18 12:13 #11488
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Optimist [View Original Post]
If a customer has dropped thousands of EUR on her, then some text-messaging, face timing, and skipping should be included at no additional cost. The amount of such "free" social interaction should however be commensurate with how much he has spent on her. A shrewd WG may see all this social interaction as a way to lock-in her big whales, or keep them interested (customer retention). Consider this: if you were a small business owner and were friends with all your employees, it would be hard to fire them, no? I think a similar thing happens with mongers that become friends with their WGs. Even if she gets too fat or too old for him, he'd still pay for a few pity fucks before he starts avoiding her.
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08-18-18 11:37 #11487
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
FKK clubs, one could argue, could also have some long-term effects on ability to perform sexually with normal civilian women. It spoils us. It allows us to fuck prettier girls than we could usually get in real life. Also more variety than we could get in real life. Perhaps more deviant sexual acts than we would feel comfortable asking for with normal women. Too much FKK might make it difficult to get "excited" if we ever had to revert to a non-mongering sex life. Admittedly, this issue would not be relevant for mongers that have given up hope on civilian women.
I would like to cut back on my paid sex activity, but in all honesty, it is what helps curb my porn addiction. So I guess paid sex would be the lesser of two evils. Everything in moderation.
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08-18-18 10:45 #11486
Posts: 22078Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
I spend more than 100 days for my week ends, in whole FKK land, from Hamburg, now to Nova Gorica + escorts in Paris, but I don't suffer from this, so it's not a addiction, but just for pleasure and game. But all my girls know they can't compete versus ski or climbing mountains. I remember exceptional Lena. Ro on last August at Wellcum. I arrived driving through Dolomiti from Stelvio on a Thursday afternoon. First room was average with a pretty girl, second room was with a friendly girl but not pretty enough when full naked on the bed, so I was thinking to leave to move to Andiamo, when I discovered Lena and her smile in the evening. Wow room with her on this Thursday evening. On Friday, I returned to take a big breakfast to prepare Zoncolan. I saw Lena who was speaking with a guy, when she saw me she smiled, finished with the guy and came to me smiling. I told her I couldn't go with her, if you saw her face. Then I drove 1 h to Zoncolan and returned to Wellcum on the evening, then when she saw me, no smile on her face, so I went to her telling her: now I'm ready for you, she answered: but at 1 am, you already had a room? I answered: of course not, but I had to prepare for my climbing, I explained her, she looked at me as a alien, of course she became my only girl on this Friday with 2 wow rooms, on Saturday for party but I arrived only on evening, but she was really exceptional, waiting for a good room, other girls were telling her: it's your turn for the key, and she answered: you can go, I'm waiting for a better room, on Ferragosto party. For our second room, we finished at 3. 15 am, lights were on in the club, only us when going downstairs. So I returned on Sunday to take big breakfast before driving to Zoncolan for my third try, I had to stop on 2 first tries because of rain, then no grip for rear wheel when 25% climbing. After breakfast, smiles and caresses with her at the bar, others girls and guys were looking at us, even I knew I should not, but I couldn't resist when she laid on her back, opening her legs, giving me pillow to put under her ass, smiling meaning: please work for me. Then great time again for our sixth room, but I controlled not to finish. When she saw I didn't finish, she asked: I finished, why you don't? Little doll princess on this year, would have said: what the fuck you don't finish with me. So, I had to explain to Lena, I needed to keep all my power for Zoncolan. I don't think she understood, she said: you are crazy. I missed her on this year, she was my power for my performance on last year, when only killing body and mind on this year, so I will have to return, but I will prepare at Globe, like for ski.
Even with top girls like Lena, FKK games are only second choice versus real sports.
I catch throatache in FKK, but if I ever catch STD, then no more FKK games. I don't lie this kind of risks, I prefer free ride or speed.
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08-18-18 08:04 #11485
Posts: 435Kosher Kowboy,
I agree with you. By the way, I also enjoy your witty and entertaining writings.
Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
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08-18-18 06:53 #11484
Posts: 625Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
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08-18-18 06:30 #11483
Posts: 1159Originally Posted by Bfsie [View Original Post]
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08-18-18 01:16 #11482
Posts: 1517McA — a while ago, you gave some good suggestions to break one's porn addiction. Curious if you tried any remedies to break your self admitted club addiction. Or do you consider FKK addiction relatively harmless as compared to porn addiction?
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08-18-18 00:05 #11481
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Optimist [View Original Post]
Scenario 1: If some pensioner who lives in Darmstadt attends Sharks 2-3 times a month and spends 150 EUR each time (one 60 minute session + one stamp on his 20 entry card), his 30 day mongering habit is not a huge financial or time-consuming endeavor. It takes him 10 minutes to drive and minimum fuel. He's retired so he has all the free time in the world. Let's assume his retirement income from all sources is 5000 EUR per month after taxes, so 300-450 per month on the hobby is well within his means. Such a monger might not be an addict.
Scenario 2: Guys from continental Europe or UK can also easily hit the 30 day mark and not make too many sacrifices. A French monger can attend 15 weekends per year. That alone puts him at 30 FKK days. It costs him fuel, toll, 15 nights hotel, and 10-12 hours travel time per trip. He can easily hit the 30 day mark without ever tapping into his 30 days paid vacation and 11 public holidays. Such a monger might not be an addict.
Scenario 3: If a fly-in tourist from America or East Asia wanted to spend 30 days in Europe, they would probably use up most if not all of their annual paid holidays and public holidays. If their 30 FKK days were broken up into four separate trips, that is about 4-8 travel days burned. In other words 34-38 days would be needed to achieve the 30 FKK days mark. The intercontinental airfare, rental cars, and hotels also add up. Not to mention these mongers are also known for their higher average daily spending on sessions. Such a monger might be an addict. Again it depends. If he is some Silicon Valley hotshot who retired early with a net worth of $10 M, then he could spend comfortably $50 K per year on the hobby over his 30 FKK days and still have ample time and money to pursue non-hobby endeavors. But an American monger who makes $100 K per year (net income $70 K) and spends $40-50 K on the hobby would probably be considered an addict.
For the record, I would consider myself an addict. I spend significantly more than 30 days in the FKK.
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08-17-18 23:00 #11480
Posts: 972Originally Posted by Bfsie [View Original Post]
I had a girl the other day use my phone number to try to jockey for position to claim Euros. A WG contacted me and was yapping with her friend same time but some other girl must have have overhead something because while I was still on WhatsApp this shrewd and highly observant WG sent me a very nice picture out of nowhere with emojis ' Can't wait to see you. ' I know she's trying to cut the line for Euros. Our numbers can be used for many reasons, usually all comes back to money however even if not hard paper currency on the spot sent Western Union.
I second your opinion on Optimist, perhaps one of the best writers on here and diplomatic is a great word to describe him. I have to say he is also one of the most trustworthy characters I have met in and out of the P4 P scene.
I hope you enjoyed the picture swap Optimist ( takes one to get one) , you too will be poorer as a result. As you say, all fun and games, what's a few bucks, euros, pounds, yens etc.
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08-17-18 22:09 #11479
Posts: 1517Originally Posted by Bfsie [View Original Post]
If a monger is looking for something more than answer to a simple "are you working on xyz date during my upcoming visit", then it is a different matter. If a monger sends dozens of texts a day and expects speedy replies, wants and needs facetimes and skypes and phone calls and other comforting goodies, yeah that is time spent by the girl -- and to WGs, time = money, hence she is justified in demanding some dough in return.
It is a bit like time in the club: if you smile at the girl and say Hello and she reciprocates, she is not entitled to any money. If the monger spends hours of couch time, she is justified in demanding some moolah (unless she was Janine).
There are many girls who derive the majority of their business through repeat contacts. They are totally prebooked before they step into the club. Clearly, they could not have done this in pre-smartphone days.
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08-17-18 21:26 #11478
Posts: 435Originally Posted by Optimist [View Original Post]
If a monger doesn't want to be bothered for money by WGs, he shouldn't ask WG's contact info or give his contact info to the WG in the first place.
On a lighter note, Optimist, each time I read your post, I felt that we got the spokesman of Ministry of Foreign Affairs in our community LOL, because you are always very diplomatic. I enjoy your elegant writing.
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08-17-18 15:13 #11477
Posts: 2207Originally Posted by Optimist [View Original Post]