German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Mr Ho]

I for one won't be "reverting". Real, confirmed mongers stand up!

I for two won't be reverting, I do not see any rationality doing so.

I understand emotional reasoning, but my rationality will bring me back to monger world where sexual encounters are endless.

FKK is like walking into any bar, but difference is that at FKK, it is secure thing with more varieties on display for you to taste and change as we monger want it. And during lucky summer months, we monger even get to taste walk in girls who are in FKK game sometimes, which most of them end up doing it for permanently after tasting fast cash.

For mongers, fate, destiny and karama are the young beauties we bump in to at main bar, but main bar of FKK LOL. It is quite romantic setting that you do most dirty thing with her for few hours and never see each other again, it is melancholic side of FKK life as many mongers do remember some beautiful dirty moments with some beautiful young girls we nailed that we never see again as girls tend to leave for life at one point.

I see news on TV of some country like Prague, Bucharest etc and I do think about these beautiful dirty moments I had with those young beautiful girls who were once at German FKK. I hope they are happy in their own way in their home town.

There is no reverting at least fully, I had too much of beautiful moments in monger world.

[Mr Ho]

She was Oana at World, but she didn't send me message, she didn't have my number, she asked me in room. I wanted to leave the room, so she said: If You don t want, no problem. The reason was not for a apartment but about family. Of course, it was our last room. Even after all World girls knew I went to World for only 1 girl, when she saw me, she said "Mon. Chri" for months. The funniest is one member who liked to write about me and my girls, wrote she asked me 30 000 because I asked her for AO sex. Had anybody paid 30.000 to have AO sex? For 30 000, I would have a real top model look, Oana was not but only cute, for at least 1 month and no problem for AO sex if I wanted. I never paid and was never asked any extra for this.

A girl asked for 30000 euro in FKK? Even for AO sex, that is absurd figure LOL.

AO BJ AKA BBBJ is even 50 euro extra nowadays in some clubs, but wow 30.000 Euro, it would be better off for you to get wrx sti or lancer evolution for your weekend 1000 km drive to German FKK and mountain Siri.

[Sirioja]

She was Oana at World, but she didn't send me message, she didn't have my number, she asked me in room. I wanted to leave the room, so she said: If You don t want, no problem. The reason was not for a apartment but about family. Of course, it was our last room. Even after all World girls knew I went to World for only 1 girl, when she saw me, she said "Mon. Chéri" for months. The funniest is one member who liked to write about me and my girls, wrote she asked me 30 000 € because I asked her for AO sex. Had anybody paid 30.000 to have AO sex? For 30 000, I would have a real top model look, Oana was not but only cute, for at least 1 month and no problem for AO sex if I wanted. I never paid and was never asked any extra for this.

[McAdonis]

A girl asking rudely or unwisely of course can lose out as you say.

Siri once shared that a WG from World asked for 30 K for an apartment. I think that ruined the mood, illusion, fantasy. I don't believe he ever saw her again.

As for terminating a "friendship" with a working girl, all I can say is that for me it is extremely simple. I can fire her as you put it just as she can "fire" me. All it takes is one word "no"

Well was it because they got fat or old? Or because they did something to upset you? If they upset you, then that is a very convenient excuse to have a falling out and terminate the relationship. The reason I ask you is because you characterize yourself as someone that can be somewhat flexible on looks. I imagine you as someone who would overlook minor optical flaws during the first fuck and early courtship phase. And once two years pass from that stage, you would not drop her as soon as she exhibited major optic flaws (10 extra kg and wrinkles). That assumes, of course, that the genuine connection remained strong for that entire two year period, and she didn't get greedy (I. E. Betty Sharks).

I don't know if I would classify attendance of a certain number (30 or whatever) as addiction. Addiction Board in the US calls addiction a primary chronic disease of the brain. Websters defines addiction as a persistent, compulsive need of something known by the user to be harmful *AND* well defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawl.

I don't think most mongers think FKKing is harmful (other than depletion of financial resources)

To be perfectly clear, I believe paid sex is a wonderful thing. Even recreational drug use is a wonderful thing. They both relieve stress. They both allow for a temporary escape from the real world. They both might even help one function better and lead a more productive life. The problem is when they can't control it, and it consumes them.

To your point about "depletion of financial resources", I characterize FKK activities as leisure or therapeutic. FKK is like our version of a relaxing beach holiday. Most people don't consider a beach holiday a waste of their financial resources. It allows them to return to their normal life feeling recharged. So beach holidays aren't a bad thing, provided people aren't spending disproportionate amounts of their disposable income on them. Financial planners advise you spend 10 percent of your after tax income on leisure (restaurants, pubs, normal holiday, FKKing): https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/27/how-...l-planner.html.

[Sirioja]

Porn addiction affected my erection quality. It also made it difficult for me to orgasm with real vaginas and mouths, and as such I could not enjoy paid sex activity or civilian sex activity as much. In other words, I felt it was a matter of sexual health.

FKK clubs, one could argue, could also have some long-term effects on ability to perform sexually with normal civilian women. It spoils us. It allows us to fuck prettier girls than we could usually get in real life. Also more variety than we could get in real life. Perhaps more deviant sexual acts than we would feel comfortable asking for with normal women. Too much FKK might make it difficult to get "excited" if we ever had to revert to a non-mongering sex life. Admittedly, this issue would not be relevant for mongers that have given up hope on civilian women.

I would like to cut back on my paid sex activity, but in all honesty, it is what helps curb my porn addiction. So I guess paid sex would be the lesser of two evils. Everything in moderation.

FKK lovely Romanians are so much more interesting and enjoyable than fake porn. I read the name Elena Koshka who is a porn star, I thought she is Russian, and as I love Russian girls, I looked who she is, she has Russian origins, but American. I watched a bit about her, in FKK I would go with her for her look, but even impressive squirting, she is just ridiculous when she is fucked on porn. I really would like to fuck her to know where is the truth, about her I m cumming, I m cumming. I met few pornstars doing escorting, 1 was a really shy woman in bed, I know better Romanians in FKK.

About contacts with girls, Kate never asked me money, my LR ex never asked me money, Megan never asked me money, Madi World never asked me money, Isabella never asked me money, others never asked me money, except one on end of 2014 who had a BF, maybe he sent messages asking money? Usually they sent: how are you? When do you come? Maybe they prefer my often business rather than losing it when asking money? When girls respect you and like you, they won't ask you money, same than in real life, women in my life who made less money than me, but they never asked me money and they were so proud to make me a present.

[Excess]

I for one won't be "reverting". Real, confirmed mongers stand up!

Standing up and fully erect, The Cane.

[Optimist]

KK and Bfsie. Thanks for the kind words: it is nice to know that I don't write complete rubbish.

KK. WhatsApp couch time is essential to keep me on the hook, as you well know. The photos, videos and " mi e dor de tine iubitul meu" are an offer made by the girls to secure continued control of my wallet.

As McA. says, such time is "free". I will however give"gifts" once it becomes a very substantial commitment by the girl. Like in a club: half hour couch time is ok, but once it gets to an hour I feel I owe the girl something.

[Optimist]

You're right but that's not exactly the same cost.

LOL. Yes FKK is more expensive, but as long as one spends within one's means then there is no problem.

[Optimist]

McAdonis. Agreed. My scenario was just a rule of thumb for when a girl knows a customer is fond of her, and assumed a certain politeness and diplomacy on the part of the girl, exactly as you suggest. A girl asking rudely or unwisely of course can lose out as you say.

As for terminating a "friendship" with a working girl, all I can say is that for me it is extremely simple. I can fire her as you put it just as she can "fire" me. All it takes is one word "no"

[Member #4581]

A butthead might say that porn addiction is less harmful as it is medically most safe and obviously the least expensive.

However, even the butthead would probably agree that sex with a young pretty girl beats sex with one's own hands -- hands down, no pun.

Of course addiction of any kind is an unfortunate thing.

I don't know if I would classify attendance of a certain number (30 or whatever) as addiction. Addiction Board in the US calls addiction a primary chronic disease of the brain. Websters defines addiction as a persistent, compulsive need of something known by the user to be harmful *AND* well defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawl.

I don't think most mongers think FKKing is harmful (other than depletion of financial resources), and I think many of us stay away from clubs for long stretches due to a variety of reasons.

[BigBuddy69]

Porn addiction affected my erection quality. It also made it difficult for me to orgasm with real vaginas and mouths, and as such I could not enjoy paid sex activity or civilian sex activity as much. In other words, I felt it was a matter of sexual health.

FKK clubs, one could argue, could also have some long-term effects on ability to perform sexually with normal civilian women. It spoils us. It allows us to fuck prettier girls than we could usually get in real life. Also more variety than we could get in real life. Perhaps more deviant sexual acts than we would feel comfortable asking for with normal women. Too much FKK might make it difficult to get "excited" if we ever had to revert to a non-mongering sex life. Admittedly, this issue would not be relevant for mongers that have given up hope on civilian women.

I would like to cut back on my paid sex activity, but in all honesty, it is what helps curb my porn addiction. So I guess paid sex would be the lesser of two evils. Everything in moderation.

Actually my porn addiction costs me a lot less than my club addiction but it's also really less satisfying. Nothing compares to having a woman in your arms even if it's easier to reach an orgasm while masturbating to porn. When I'm planning a club tour I try to cut porn and masturbation for at least one week.

As for addiction, I agree with McA, most of us (including me) are totally addicted, and the most addicted guy here is obviously the guy who is in total denial. I'm not into paying a girl for texting me "oh I miss you blablabla", I asked the girl's number only if I want to know her working days when I come. And actually, I realized that every time I got a girl's number, it ended bad.

I prefer to bring the girls some lingerie from time to time and the present is also for me: I like to see them wearing this when we go into some physical intimacy.

[The Cane]

Too much FKK might make it difficult to get "excited" if we ever had to revert to a non-mongering sex life. Admittedly, this issue would not be relevant for mongers that have given up hope on civilian women.

I for one won't be "reverting". Real, confirmed mongers stand up!

[McAdonis]

It is fine to refuse to send money. If the girl knows you are fond of her she will (normally) just wait a while and ask again. And again. And again. They have nothing to lose in asking politely.

Nothing to lose? To me, it seems like there would be some level of risk for the WG. She needs to be able to judge how different mongers might respond to such a request. A monger might consider a request for money a huge turn-off. If he is turned off, he might cut back on his sessions or stop seeing her altogether. If up to that point, he has convinced himself that the WG is into him beyond purely the financials, then a request to send money would be "sobering", would it not?

If a customer has dropped thousands of EUR on her, then some text-messaging, face timing, and skipping should be included at no additional cost. The amount of such "free" social interaction should however be commensurate with how much he has spent on her. A shrewd WG may see all this social interaction as a way to lock-in her big whales, or keep them interested (customer retention). Consider this: if you were a small business owner and were friends with all your employees, it would be hard to fire them, no? I think a similar thing happens with mongers that become friends with their WGs. Even if she gets too fat or too old for him, he'd still pay for a few pity fucks before he starts avoiding her.

[McAdonis]

McA a while ago, you gave some good suggestions to break one's porn addiction. Curious if you tried any remedies to break your self admitted club addiction. Or do you consider FKK addiction relatively harmless as compared to porn addiction?

Porn addiction affected my erection quality. It also made it difficult for me to orgasm with real vaginas and mouths, and as such I could not enjoy paid sex activity or civilian sex activity as much. In other words, I felt it was a matter of sexual health.

FKK clubs, one could argue, could also have some long-term effects on ability to perform sexually with normal civilian women. It spoils us. It allows us to fuck prettier girls than we could usually get in real life. Also more variety than we could get in real life. Perhaps more deviant sexual acts than we would feel comfortable asking for with normal women. Too much FKK might make it difficult to get "excited" if we ever had to revert to a non-mongering sex life. Admittedly, this issue would not be relevant for mongers that have given up hope on civilian women.

I would like to cut back on my paid sex activity, but in all honesty, it is what helps curb my porn addiction. So I guess paid sex would be the lesser of two evils. Everything in moderation.

[Sirioja]

BB69 understood what I was getting at, which is to say 30 days of mongering can get quite expensive. Generally, when one is addicted to something, you have no choice but to pay whatever price is necessary to get your "fix", even if it is say a large percentage of one's annual after-taxes income. Also when one is addicted, they have no self-control to stop. They couldn't quit even if they wanted to. When one is addicted, that addiction becomes the focal point of their life, to the point that they might neglect their family, friends, career, and mental / physical health. The figure 30 days is not a hard and fast number. It really depends:

Scenario 1: If some pensioner who lives in Darmstadt attends Sharks 2-3 times a month and spends 150 EUR each time (one 60 minute session + one stamp on his 20 entry card), his 30 day mongering habit is not a huge financial or time-consuming endeavor. It takes him 10 minutes to drive and minimum fuel. He's retired so he has all the free time in the world. Let's assume his retirement income from all sources is 5000 EUR per month after taxes, so 300-450 per month on the hobby is well within his means. Such a monger might not be an addict..

Yes, addiction is when you are not able to control, and suffer financially or being frustrated from this.

I spend more than 100 days for my week ends, in whole FKK land, from Hamburg, now to Nova Gorica + escorts in Paris, but I don't suffer from this, so it's not a addiction, but just for pleasure and game. But all my girls know they can't compete versus ski or climbing mountains. I remember exceptional Lena. Ro on last August at Wellcum. I arrived driving through Dolomiti from Stelvio on a Thursday afternoon. First room was average with a pretty girl, second room was with a friendly girl but not pretty enough when full naked on the bed, so I was thinking to leave to move to Andiamo, when I discovered Lena and her smile in the evening. Wow room with her on this Thursday evening. On Friday, I returned to take a big breakfast to prepare Zoncolan. I saw Lena who was speaking with a guy, when she saw me she smiled, finished with the guy and came to me smiling. I told her I couldn't go with her, if you saw her face. Then I drove 1 h to Zoncolan and returned to Wellcum on the evening, then when she saw me, no smile on her face, so I went to her telling her: now I'm ready for you, she answered: but at 1 am, you already had a room? I answered: of course not, but I had to prepare for my climbing, I explained her, she looked at me as a alien, of course she became my only girl on this Friday with 2 wow rooms, on Saturday for party but I arrived only on evening, but she was really exceptional, waiting for a good room, other girls were telling her: it's your turn for the key, and she answered: you can go, I'm waiting for a better room, on Ferragosto party. For our second room, we finished at 3. 15 am, lights were on in the club, only us when going downstairs. So I returned on Sunday to take big breakfast before driving to Zoncolan for my third try, I had to stop on 2 first tries because of rain, then no grip for rear wheel when 25% climbing. After breakfast, smiles and caresses with her at the bar, others girls and guys were looking at us, even I knew I should not, but I couldn't resist when she laid on her back, opening her legs, giving me pillow to put under her ass, smiling meaning: please work for me. Then great time again for our sixth room, but I controlled not to finish. When she saw I didn't finish, she asked: I finished, why you don't? Little doll princess on this year, would have said: what the fuck you don't finish with me. So, I had to explain to Lena, I needed to keep all my power for Zoncolan. I don't think she understood, she said: you are crazy. I missed her on this year, she was my power for my performance on last year, when only killing body and mind on this year, so I will have to return, but I will prepare at Globe, like for ski.

Even with top girls like Lena, FKK games are only second choice versus real sports.

I catch throatache in FKK, but if I ever catch STD, then no more FKK games. I don't lie this kind of risks, I prefer free ride or speed.