Kyiv

[Rick Rock]

Wow. $150 for an hour with a mother of a young child with a baby damaged body? I've been away too long. If this is true, I'll stay away too!

[Jojosun]

Was in the Scarlet. Got a lot of positive emotions. Girls are many, all different, for every taste.

Any idea about your costs there that you incurred and other prices for girls, drinks, take out?

[Jojosun]

I was lucky enough to enjoy River Palace in 2008. Perhaps only Discotheque HELP in Rio-de-Janeiro may compare in energy and atmosphere..

Fond memories indeed and how time flies by. Now you mentioned HELP in Rio, it was closed in January 2010, 7, months before the closure of River Palace.

I did Help in Rio long before RP. Took out from HELP to my hotel Excelsior on Cobacabana some really hot ones Mulatto and Black for about US $50 of Great fun.

River Palace Kiev was like my second home at night, But never took out any girl from there at night as I was determined not to pay London &,Houston Prices of nearly, 200 in Kiev when I had a very hot list of tanned blondes at the 2 cities for almost the same price and less.

What I did at RP was to tip the heavies at the club including the fat mafia looking manager often and buy drinks for girls who took my fancy. Told them I only function late afternoon, early evening, get their digits and offer them $100 for one hour or less, happy hour prices next day, and if they wanted to leave earlier as it didn't bother me.

Of course many of them loved the idea of having light dinner, good drinks and $100 net in their purse without any % going into the pockets of the Club Heavies who used to monitor the girls leaving with guys at night, hence the girls insist on $200 +as a big % goes to the club. At night at the.

Club we just didn't mix later on.

Of the really fun clubs around the world that I really enjoyed being there at the time.

Lucerna Club in Prague, a landmark of fun times in the Iron Curtain Years. It's still open.

Help in Rio.

River Palace.

West World Club in Minsk was an institution of fun, than RP Kiev and more freebies and semi pros. Closed.

Did you mean Arena city Club?

[Jojosun]

As long as underlying thought process is solid, we are cool.

To add to calamities: your PM box is full.

Thinking outside the box made me forget the inner box. Declassified and deleted few PMS which were less sensitive than others. Now there, s Room at the Inn.

[Vital]

Was in the Scarlet. Got a lot of positive emotions. Girls are many, all different, for every taste.

[Wingwang]

Guys,

Be aware of this lady on Mamba. Search for her ID mb1629445287 in case the link below is blocked.

https://www.mamba Ru / mb1629445287.

She is in Kiev, but she pretends from other city. She asks if you pay for her bus fare to come to see you. Do not fall for her trick.

[PhotoSlider]

Typing on this device is a nightmare...

As long as underlying thought process is solid, we are cool.

To add to calamities: your PM box is full.

[Jojosun]

Great reports Kozerog, I really enjoy reading them and thanks about your.

Tip about the Keffir Drink for Health and Vitality, longevity.

It took me a while to find the Long Life drink in Houston as at first I had to find the Russian store,{ Baba Vega} there. IN London it's easier to find Keffir.

You really need to update Lonely Planet's Book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...-a-shoestring. with your own latest experiences, doing Kiev on, US $ 40 a day all in Daily living expenses. Eastern Europe on a Shoestring.

BTW, the guide was so useful for me first time I used it very late 80's when.

I first did few EE& Central European countries on a solo backpacking trip starting with Prague but never made it to Kiev at that time. Eventually made it 20 years older and with a much deeper Pocket, LOL.

Typing on this device is a nightmare, full stops, commas, all over the place. . Not very good Puntuaction and its making me seeing doubles.

Apologies.

[PhotoSlider]

Some girls at Rio do oral sex without condom, 2 girls even gave me their phone numbers and had meetings for $200 for 2 hours, I would rather do that than go the club.

$200 for 2 hours is better than the cut they get from $300 split with management.

Is it 40% to girl and 60% to the club?

Just make sure management doesn't see you taking girl's phone number while at the club. It could be safer to procure at the booth around the stage, as private dance rooms may have cameras installed.

[PhotoSlider]

I don't know if you were around at the time of River Palace years? At that time Valeria looked closer to 30 than 20 and had a different hair color. Spoke with her few times at the club, But never took her out as I wasn't attracted by her looks.

She also did Buddha bar later on along with few other girls from ex RP Club.

I was lucky enough to enjoy River Palace in 2008. Perhaps only Discotheque HELP in Rio-de-Janeiro may compare in energy and atmosphere.

Didn't see Valeria there, but it was very crowded, and likewise, she is not my type anyway, especially while I am sober. I do like 27-32 fit experienced intelligent classy ladies with a nice tan, in fact I like them a lot! Yet, something in 18-20 years old Ukrainian ladies resonates with my heart oh so deeply.

From RP I took to my apartment 19 years scantily clad brunette with joyful smile and a matching attitude. She didn't even bargain, had a drink of sparkling water from the bar, while we danced on the floor, 5-10 minutes later jumped in a taxi, and I simply donated what I thought was proper after 3 hours together, then took her to the cab outside around 3 am, packed quickly and in an hour and a half checked in for my flight out of Borispyl.

Then 3 years passed, away from Ukraine. RP was gone end of July 2010, a year before my next return.

Since then I visited Buddha Bar once, Caribbean once, DLux once. Also some large disco establishment at Arena with great house music, do not recall the name. Didn't enjoy much any of those. Nothing is even close to RP. My favorite after RP was Mandarin Cabaret on the river. I liked their stage choreography and group dancing better than Rio strip club, and certainly much better than newer Scarlette.

River Palace was before IG, Viber and WhatsApp. Fond memories.

[Hioube]

Hello guys!

I'm 43 and plan to have my first paid relation. I read a lot about your experiences, travel and I thank you a lot. I live in France not far from Germany. First of all I though the best is ylto go to an FKK for a day but I read a lot of bad things on local forum here. Then I think, why not planing a week end but further to Budapest or Prague. But after all my reading Kiev seems to be the best place to experience good time if we have the good advice to avoid bad places. I found a beautiful Airbnb and a plane ticket for November.

What do you think about my city choice? I also found my dream girl, can I post the escort link of her here without breaking any rules? Thank you.

[Jojosun]

I completely agree. So here's my advice to average newcomers to Kyiv, who have a limited budget, regarding pricing for semi-pros from Mamba. Start with offer of $100 for 1-2 hours. If you like the girl and want to see her longer, offer $150 to extend to 3-4 hours. If the girl initially had an high opinion of her value and demanded $100 for a single hour and you agreed to that, then she probably won't agree to extend to 4 hours for $150. But you should be able to extend to 2 hours for $150, unless she had prior scheduling commitments. Next visit, try to get her to accept $150 for 3 hours, and eventually you might be able to push her to 4 hours for that amount.

Most semi-pros in Kyiv will be highly tempted by $150 for 4 hours from a repeat client who wasn't unpleasant, unless they are very short of time (university student, young child, full time job, etc). If shortage of time is the problem, maybe try to accommodate her schedule by letting her arrive in work clothes and relax a bit at your hotel or apartment before sex.

I'm aware that not everyone wants that much time, whereas I prefer longer sessions twice a week rather than shorter but more frequent sessions. Fire those newcomers who prefer shorter seasons, advice can be shortened to "offer $100 for an hour of sex"..

Great reports Kozerog, I really enjoy reading them and thanks about your.

Tip about the Keffir Drink for Health and Vitality, longevity.

It took me a while to find the Long Life drink in Houston as at first I had to find the Russian store,{ Baba Vega} there. IN London it's easier to find Keffir.

You really need to update Lonely Planet's Book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...-a-shoestring. with your own latest experiences, doing Kiev on, US $ 40 a day all in Daily living expenses. Eastern Europe on a Shoestring.

BTW, the guide was so useful for me first time I used it very late 80's when.

I first did few EE& Central European countries on a solo backpacking trip starting with Prague but never made it to Kiev at that time. Eventually made it 20 years older and with a much deeper Pocket, LOL.

[Jojosun]

She left GIA before at least once. There also seemed to be a report of her showing up at the customer's with a serious hangover. She did a complete website pix makeover after that.

Either way, 33 years old is not exactly what some of us are after, even when the range of services is extensive.

I don't know if you were around at the time of River Palace years? At that time Valeria looked closer to 30 than 20 and had a different hair color. Spoke with her few times at the club, But never took her out as I wasn't attracted by her looks.

She also did Buddha bar later on along with few other girls from ex RP Club.

[Kozerog]

...To me the attraction of Kiev are the semi pros and the sponsoring game.

I completely agree. So here's my advice to average newcomers to Kyiv, who have a limited budget, regarding pricing for semi-pros from Mamba. Start with offer of $100 for 1-2 hours. If you like the girl and want to see her longer, offer $150 to extend to 3-4 hours. If the girl initially had an high opinion of her value and demanded $100 for a single hour and you agreed to that, then she probably won't agree to extend to 4 hours for $150. But you should be able to extend to 2 hours for $150, unless she had prior scheduling commitments. Next visit, try to get her to accept $150 for 3 hours, and eventually you might be able to push her to 4 hours for that amount.

Most semi-pros in Kyiv will be highly tempted by $150 for 4 hours from a repeat client who wasn't unpleasant, unless they are very short of time (university student, young child, full time job, etc). If shortage of time is the problem, maybe try to accommodate her schedule by letting her arrive in work clothes and relax a bit at your hotel or apartment before sex.

I'm aware that not everyone wants that much time, whereas I prefer longer sessions twice a week rather than shorter but more frequent sessions. Fire those newcomers who prefer shorter seasons, advice can be shortened to "offer $100 for an hour of sex".

Womaniszer recently, and others previously, have reported good experiences paying $50 for several hours with semi pros. However, I think "average" newcomers will be frustrated at the quality of girls they get at that price, which is why I recommended an initial offer of $100 for 1-2 hours. It is possible some of these men having success with $50 offers are younger and better looking than average clients, in which case girls may think "why not let him taste the milk and maybe he'll buy the cow?" In other words, reduced price in hopes of marriage aka the long game.

It's also possible to get quality girls at lower prices if you speak Russian, since girls without English ability have limited access to foreign clients. (Most such girls are currently from eastern Ukraine, so Russian language currently more useful than Ukrainian.).

To repeat what I said before, independents and semi pros are likely to be flexible about giving extra time, especially to repeat clients who are not unpleasant, because of the time and effort involved in finding new clients. Another reason to prefer independents and semi pros to agency girls. Other reasons: girls receive entire amount of money paid rather than just 50% or less, and so are doubly motivated at a given cost from client's perspective; no agency keeping track of man's sexual activities, which I found annoying the few times I used agency girls; girls less stressed out because they can refuse clients they don't like and only one client per day in case of semi-pros and some independent pros (KEC aka Gia girls also only see one client per day, supposedly).

I'm using usd (rather than uah because the exchange rate is once again changing. Also, all these numbers are just ballpark figures. $100 = 2787 uah right now. Obviously, you could round to either 2500 or 3000 uah depending on various factors. Finally, as noted, this pricing advice is for men with limited budget. If budget unlimited, then just pay whatever the girl asks.

[Stefan 7]

Some girls at Rio do oral sex without condom, 2 girls even gave me their phone numbers and had meetings for $200 for 2 hours, I would rather do that than go the club.