Sao Paulo Reports

[WyattEarp]

Thanks Rovnak for TOFTT and reporting out. I would summarize by saying Scandallo is about the club not the girl. Girls as pretty or prettier can be found elsewhere at cheaper rates. But it is luxe king of the world type experience if you can comfortably afford it. It's that vibe / rush that is the draw.

Steve9696, I know you found some winners at other, less expensive boates. I know this next question will generate the usual clinicas versus boates debate. So for us in SP for short visits with limited time, what's your current assessment of the clinica girls versus the boate girls. In the past, I've usually found the boate girls to be more to my liking.

[HungryStud101]

I don't know the exact amount of money they are paying the girls today and not all the girls are paid the same, but it's around BRL 100/ hour. The guys who post in the local forums pay BRL 140/ hour and every 5th session is free. Even if the customer pays this discounted price, the girl gets the same amount of money she gets from a full paying customer.

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You have got to be kidding me! That is 30-40 USD for girls I would find in the USA for 300-400 USD and probably more! I say that but the women would not be as good in the USA. More like 40 somethings. I know I am paying 220 R / hour for 2-hand and 320 R / Hour 4-hand massage and I have never left that place complaining.

[Nordico]

Brooklin seems to get a fair bit of likes here for some reason I can't understand.

They have this weird policy now that to start a punch card you have to have joined gpguia before 2017. I mean wtf? They also want the first to to be 220 rs.

It's like they don't want any new regulars.

Actually they would like to get rid of the discounts and "punch cards", because with these customers they are not making a lot of money, but they can't. Last time they tried to limit the discounts, they got local mongers against them who threatened to boycott the place.

I don't know the exact amount of money they are paying the girls today and not all the girls are paid the same, but it's around BRL 100/ hour. The guys who post in the local forums pay BRL 140/ hour and every 5th session is free. Even if the customer pays this discounted price, the girl gets the same amount of money she gets from a full paying customer.

With this pricing and the reservation system the best girls are occupied almost all the time and it's almost impossible for a visiting gringo to session with the most popular ones. The full paying customers, local or gringo, should get some benefit when making a reservation, because that's where their money comes from, but of course it's not going to happen.

[Member #4732]

I have to say I rather like the king of the world experiences now that I reflect on it. Russia is similar. You go to a super luxe strip club and ALL girls are on offer. Not just the strippers but also the waitresses, greeting hostess, bar maids everyone. This has a great king of the world feel because you can literally take any girl in the place. This I think is also the appeal of the lineup they do at Clinicas or other venues. Just being at the buffet is part of the thrill!

My favorite Russia experience of that sort was when I got to bang a very hot probably 35-40 year old Uzbek mamasan from one of the better salons off of Fontanka. Unlike most of the administrators, this one was sweet and flirtatious, a bit heavier in the legs, like Uzbek women tend to be, but petite up top and a very sexy face. I used to go there quite often and she and I would flirt a bit and I would say "I wish you were working" and she would laugh. And finally after a bunch of this, I got her to agree to come see me, for a price naturally. I am telling you, it was one of the best fucks of my life. This woman fucked like she had not had sex in a year, on the bed, on the couch, on the chari, all the while screaming in Russian to wake the neighbors. It was truly remarkable. I still regret that I did not try to see her again after that. Then again, that was so crazy good it was probably best left as a one off experience.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks Rovnak for TOFTT and reporting out. I would summarize by saying Scandallo is about the club not the girl. Girls as pretty or prettier can be found elsewhere at cheaper rates. But it is luxe king of the world type experience if you can comfortably afford it. It's that vibe / rush that is the draw.

I have to say I rather like the king of the world experiences now that I reflect on it. Russia is similar. You go to a super luxe strip club and ALL girls are on offer. Not just the strippers but also the waitresses, greeting hostess, bar maids — everyone. This has a great king of the world feel because you can literally take any girl in the place. This I think is also the appeal of the lineup they do at Clinicas or other venues. Just being at the buffet is part of the thrill!

[Member #4732]

Thanks Rovnak for TOFTT and reporting out. I would summarize by saying Scandallo is about the club not the girl. Girls as pretty or prettier can be found elsewhere at cheaper rates. But it is luxe king of the world type experience if you can comfortably afford it. It's that vibe / rush that is the draw.

Yes true.

I should clarify one thing. I wrote "There was definitely no significant difference in the "average" look between the "current" Scandalo girls and the current clinica and free lance girl. There were just "more' women and the were better dressed, and there is the club atmosphere." I was speaking about averages.

I should have added "and there are some elite stunningly beautiful women at the club, more beautiful than you will find at the clinicas, in general, but these top of the lines chicks are going to charge top $" . So if you are looking for a trophy fuck, strictly based on looks, and price is not an issue, then yes, the club provides that option.

[DoMat]

Its a fair question and there are others who can answer better than I. When I visited Brazil years ago, I used to pull girls from Bomboa for all nighters but have not done that in a long time. I know some guys that don't post much that like to arrange all nighters, perhaps they can weigh in.


Living here, I have built in advantages and it would not be fair to expect visitors to follow my personal approach. I don't actually like all nights any more, or rather I should say, I don't pay for all nights any more. 2 hours is the sweet spot for me. Not too short, not too long. I see one semi-pro hairdresser about twice a month and she insists on staying over night, but I do not pay an overnight rate. In fact, I would not complain if she left after 2 hours to be honest, but she insists on staying. Occasionally, I will tell other guests, "you are welcome to stay the night but that is as friends, no extra $". Sometimes they do, most times they don't. Most prefer to sleep at home and I totally understand that.

That is my style. I understand a visitor has different priorities and all nighters can be special. I just don't have any pricing advice except to start low and see how they respond. I personally hate negotiating so if someone does not accept my first offer, I usually just move on to someone else.

My thing for overnights is mostly that I like to fuck in the morning. There is no other practical way of doing that. Instead of having sex I am here typing this out which isn't a good substitute.

[Member #4732]

Brooklin seems to get a fair bit of likes here for some reason I can't understand.

They have this weird policy now that to start a punch card you have to have joined gpguia before 2017. I mean wtf? They also want the first to to be 220 rs.

It's like they don't want any new regulars. The 220 normal price is higher then most comparable places. Girls the same as other places.

Receptionist are also not the freindliest either. Though one I saw today if she was a receptionist is easily the hottest around.

Also annoyed a couple of my stay overnighters are moving away or getting out of the business. New girls I like want more then I willing to pay.

I guess this is just a rant.

I hate the Brooklin reception, and they have always been nazi like like their enforcement of forista verification. I have gotten into several arguments with them where they claimed I did not write TDs and they wanted to deny me the forista price, and I had to "prove" they were wrong. And they are terrible when it comes to managing the apresentaçao. Now they are getting stricter than before it seems, smh. This is in contrast to the other clinicas who are far more casual about the forista policy.

To your point about paying the full price for "the first" , this is not new and this is not unreasonable. All of the clinicas have a similar policy of discarding "forista" cards after a period of inactivity, usually 90 days. If you return after that interval, and they no longer have your card, you need to pay full price on first return visit to reestablish your status, post a TD and then 2-and visits you receive promo. It has always been like this since they started tearing up inactive cards. Some places, like Fefao's with friendlier reception will waive the policy and reinstate you at forista level if they remember you and they are in a good mood.

[DoMat]

Casarao report.

Went last night and was really disappointed. I usually find a couple of gems but not many (3) I would even pay for sex. Seen better lineups at most clinicas.

Did get the number of this cute black chick with amazing body that did a pole dance there.

Was quoted 250 +40 room for half hour by a couple girls. Would probably go down but wasn't interested so didn't even try. 20 to get in.

[Steve 9696]

Rovnak- thanks for the report. I was thinking of checking out Scandello again but might not after that report. Will see.

What kind of prices are you offering for overnight stays?

Thanks Rovnak for TOFTT and reporting out. I would summarize by saying Scandallo is about the club not the girl. Girls as pretty or prettier can be found elsewhere at cheaper rates. But it is luxe king of the world type experience if you can comfortably afford it. It's that vibe / rush that is the draw.

[Member #4732]

I think Sao Paulo escorts learn the business very quickly. They probably learn the trade from other girls. I don't think there is any way to know for sure how young and experienced girls are beforehand. Perhaps some locals with contacts get recommendations of young talent from their network. You can also jump on a girl who has a few positive gpguia reviews before she gains experience.

I don't find agencies to be a big presence in SP or Rio. I've typically dealt directly with the girl via Whatsapp. They can be quite flirty. They don't want to lose a fish they have on the hook. I might make some requests, but I usually know from gpguia what they do or don't do. I also request certain clothing particularly if I've seen them dressed in a sexy outfit in their ads or on twitter.

Let's face it a 19 year old Brazilian girl who has taken up escorting is likely to have a lot of sexual experience. It's certainly possible to find the young girl at Scandallo who's relatively new and looking to make a few bucks. In the old Help Disco days in Rio, those young girls were typically taken under an experienced friend's wings..

Wyatt,

Much of what you wrote is a general endorsement of SP free lancers, and I wholeheartedly agree that they are becoming more and more of a market force, and for me personally they are the sweet spot because I prefer to host. My post is in no way a knock on escorts. Its just a buyer beware tip.

You mentioned several times that you stick mostly to providers with gp-guia reviews and that is by far the "safest" strategy and the only strategy that I recommend to a visitor particularly first time visitors. My extreme vetting tips are really more for the experienced SP monger who is looking to push the envelope a little and yet still be tactically aware.

I personally seek out the less experienced newbies so I am particularly sensitive to identifying those which will be worth the risk. The newbies seldom have gp-guia TDs so that is why I am looking at other criteria, photos, verbiage, location, etc. Yes, the providers learn fast, but getting a flat in Moema or Jardins and setting up CC processing are non trivial challenges to a Brasileira which in my experience do not coincide with someone who purports to be new to the business. There is a disconnect there. Either they are being helped, IE more established friend, agency or they are not as inexperienced as they claim. Do you see what I am saying now? This applies only to providers without TDs, as TDs trump almost everything else.

Again, if you are contacting only Gp-guia established providers then this does not really apply to you, but one of my points was that as good as whatsapp is, its not fool proof. Its just texting, so the party on the other end may not be who you think. I have had several occasions where I initially thought I was texting the provider but it turned out to be a "reception / manager". I was able to feret it out but not everyone may be able to do so. Hence my tops.

How present "agencies" are is an interesting question. Certainly they are not present at all in the way they used to be in Rio with their own brands, websites and stables. Yes, those, up front agencies are gone. But there are "stealth" agencies in SP that do not want you to know they are agencies. They know that agencies have a bad rap so they go into stealth mode, they don't use land lines, they purchase different numbers for each provider, they have whatsapp "reception" pretend to be the provider. They do not admit to being agencies. This is the situation I am alerting folks to.

Cheers.

[WyattEarp]

Following up my own report about tips for vetting free lancer anuncios. Another thing that makes me go "hmmm" are the free lancers that accept credit cards, particularly the ads that say they are very young, 21 or less, new to this work, and yet "aceito cartes de dbito e crdito". I expect older, established providers to accept cards, but when someone very young and supposedly new to the biz is accepting cards I become skeptical that the ad may be agency based. Ditto with "new" providers that are already working out of a flat in Moema or Jardins.

That is not to say that all agency based girls are going to disappoint but I prefer to avoid them. They are probably coached to put out as little as possible. They are liekely to be overbooked and running late. They are the biggest risk of bait and switch. And when you are texting you may not be texting directly with the provider but rather with a agency rep pretending to be the provider.

It used to be that agencies were easily identified by their phine number but now they can get separate mobile numbers for each girl in order to avoid detection. So one has to look for other tells.

I think Sao Paulo escorts learn the business very quickly. They probably learn the trade from other girls. I don't think there is any way to know for sure how young and experienced girls are beforehand. Perhaps some locals with contacts get recommendations of young talent from their network. You can also jump on a girl who has a few positive gpguia reviews before she gains experience.

I don't find agencies to be a big presence in SP or Rio. I've typically dealt directly with the girl via Whatsapp. They can be quite flirty. They don't want to lose a fish they have on the hook. I might make some requests, but I usually know from gpguia what they do or don't do. I also request certain clothing particularly if I've seen them dressed in a sexy outfit in their ads or on twitter.

Let's face it a 19 year old Brazilian girl who has taken up escorting is likely to have a lot of sexual experience. It's certainly possible to find the young girl at Scandallo who's relatively new and looking to make a few bucks. In the old Help Disco days in Rio, those young girls were typically taken under an experienced friend's wings. One time, I hooked up with a younger sister very new to the game. She was adorable, very open and a lot of fun. I'm sure her older sister assured her I was a good guy and a good time. I was younger too, better looking and in better shape.

I've found with a little bit of research that Sao Paulo escorts are quite beautiful, sexual and wanting to please.

[Member #4732]

Rovnak- thanks for the report. I was thinking of checking out Scandello again but might not after that report. Will see.

What kind of prices are you offering for overnight stays?

Its a fair question and there are others who can answer better than I. When I visited Brazil years ago, I used to pull girls from Bomboa for all nighters but have not done that in a long time. I know some guys that don't post much that like to arrange all nighters, perhaps they can weigh in.

Living here, I have built in advantages and it would not be fair to expect visitors to follow my personal approach. I don't actually like all nights any more, or rather I should say, I don't pay for all nights any more. 2 hours is the sweet spot for me. Not too short, not too long. I see one semi-pro hairdresser about twice a month and she insists on staying over night, but I do not pay an overnight rate. In fact, I would not complain if she left after 2 hours to be honest, but she insists on staying. Occasionally, I will tell other guests, "you are welcome to stay the night but that is as friends, no extra $". Sometimes they do, most times they don't. Most prefer to sleep at home and I totally understand that.

That is my style. I understand a visitor has different priorities and all nighters can be special. I just don't have any pricing advice except to start low and see how they respond. I personally hate negotiating so if someone does not accept my first offer, I usually just move on to someone else.

[Balboa]

I went to Scandalo with another board member last Thursday night ...
This was a beautiful all natural 20 year old Carioca, super sweet in the club, sat on the couch with me for a long time while we chatted and exchanged contacts, then sent me a bunch of messages etc. But when I finally broached the subject of price the next day, I took the initiative trying to preempt her position. I said "I see free lancers, and I am willing to pay reasonable free lancer price, 300 plus uber for 90 minutes". LOL, I think I blew her mind. She replied that she was not a free lancer and that would not be paying for sex but for her 'momentos" (time). She wanted "2500 $ para dormir juntos e 1500 $ para passar a tarde inteira ou a noite juntos, se quiser 1 hora na sua casa 1000 $". That was a new record! I told her "no way I would pay that when I have so many options for way way less

Nice report Rovnak!

I'm not in to the over-priced (IMO) garotas at Scandalo either.

Your Carioca wanting 2500 $ for "momentos" is nuts. That over-pricing like that totally turns me off.

I found a diamond recently at a low end place near Republica, she came to my place the following day and was thrilled when I put 200 $ under her purse the next morning.

[DoMat]

Rovnak- thanks for the report. I was thinking of checking out Scandello again but might not after that report. Will see.

What kind of prices are you offering for overnight stays?