FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Shark16]

Would you feel comfortable rephrasing your original statement to "there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service for 50 EUR 30 min"?

It seems to happen more than you think. You make it sound like it is impossible. It's not. I can't recall a club visit in 2018 where I did not have the opportunity.

Of course; if you go for 1 h sessions a lot more girls will provide a good performance (including all the services that FKK visitors normally would expect). I'd say 80- 90% of the girls (including the hottest). So, 100 E /1 h is the going rate IME. But yes, there are enough hot girls that will happily provide good performance in a 50 E /30 mnts session too. It's not about which girls provide what, but about your own attitude and expectations (and possibly a bit of luck and charm).

Of course #2; my experiences in 2017- 18 have basically been at Oase and World (and to a lesser extent at Atlanta / Sharks/Bernd's/Rom). I have not been to Palace and Mainhattan in a long time. The reason is primarily that I find it more difficult to get good peformance at a normal rate there. So; there you go.

[Member #4636]

I'm sorry if I sounded like a dick in my post below. I just want people to understand my perspective.

You did not sound like a dick. I get that perspective because I also feel the same too. If something is not ordinary and you have already spent to get there, you want the best out of it so you don't mind to throw an extra 50 e to get there. I have also done the same, I prefer to give something more and increase the pleasure. It is all VFM at the end of the day.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Haven't been following closely. Perhaps HS101 is not booking his trips 5-6 months in advance.

How much time do you spend per day executing these searches? I've seen some airline websites that show two month calendars side-by-side. So for example, the calendar on the left would show 31 price points for outgoing flights on March 2019. Calendar on the right would show the 30 price points for each calendar in April 2019. Skyscanner uses such an interface, so you can at a glance see what might be the cheapest day in a given month to fly into Frankfurt and what the cheapest day to fly out of Frankfurt on a given month:

https://www.skyscanner.co.nz/wp-cont...t.png?fit=1048, 1223.

Is that how you are able to do it quickly? I hear other people setup email alerts. Like send me an "email when JFK-FRA ticket is under $500".

I do book 2-4 months in advance usually. I clicked on that link. Delta has the calendar view as well for one full month or a 5 week view that shows the options 5 weeks before your selected departure date and 5 weeks after your selected return date. Something like that.

Don't really spend that much time, am booked four months out now and probably in another month or so will start sniffing around for the spring in the meantime maybe I will check every 3 days for shits and giggles just in case a steal is out there. I can't remember who it was but I vaguely recall I think Badinsweet once posting about some search he set up and often found very cheap flights from I think the west coast for $500-$700 (I think) . Once I see a fare I want to buy I quickly open hotels.com up to make sure it is not Messe time as the hotels will be triple, quadrupled jacked up if not more. Than I buy. My goal is to get the flight for $1 K or less and get a room for $100 a night or less and try to get a 7 day overhead for air / lodging in the $1500-$1700 range or under ideally, between $1700-$1800 I think about it any higher I keep hunting. The greater my overhead the more visits to Day Care I will make to balance all out.

Recently my time is consumed drooling and dreaming of the reinspritzing Gypsies in Vienna and staring at the girls on those sites. How that city and those studios weren't on my radar before I have no clue.

[McAdonis]

I just searched March 4-18 and April 2-16 and the rates are $836 to $939 w taxes JFK to FRA. (Comfort+).

Haven't been following closely. Perhaps HS101 is not booking his trips 5-6 months in advance.

FWIW I check the Delta site if I am up late or up early once a day between midnight and 6 AM and I would say every 3 weeks or so a drastic drop hits and I buy. I got my last flight while in FRA, left for a club early to get the cheaper entry and the price was over $1600 bucks came back and logged on and was something like $835. I got the ticket and went to bed. I woke up the next day was over $1700 again. They don't advertise these flash drops.

How much time do you spend per day executing these searches? I've seen some airline websites that show two month calendars side-by-side. So for example, the calendar on the left would show 31 price points for outgoing flights on March 2019. Calendar on the right would show the 30 price points for each calendar in April 2019. Skyscanner uses such an interface, so you can at a glance see what might be the cheapest day in a given month to fly into Frankfurt and what the cheapest day to fly out of Frankfurt on a given month:

https://www.skyscanner.co.nz/wp-cont...t.png?fit=1048, 1223.

Is that how you are able to do it quickly? I hear other people setup email alerts. Like send me an "email when JFK-FRA ticket is under $500".

[Kosher Kowboy]

No.

Delta in Coach class and it wasn't even comfort plus. In fact I saved 800 $ by going back on a Sunday. My flight was just over $2,000 this time.

My colleague made his arrangements a few days after me and he left on Friday which was a more popular day and he paid 3,000 $ this trip and that was coach class too.

I'm sorry if I sounded like a dick in my post below. I just want people to understand my perspective.

What route are you taking on Delta?

I always fly thru Atlanta if the price is right if not thru NYC and Comfort+ is all I sit in. Comfort+ JFK-FRA is pretty much always $900 +/- $75 RT but not one search engine or the Delta site itself will route you thru there so I buy one ticket to JFK and than a second ticket JFK-FRA. Delta won't say why they won't route thru there on searches on a combined ticket so try it out next time a la carte the only catch is have to get to JFK but from there it is a steal. How much is a flight to JFK from where you are? Add $1 K to that and see how much it is RT thru New York? Has to be less than $2 K-$3 K?

I just searched March 4-18 and April 2-16 and the rates are $836 to $939 w taxes JFK to FRA. (Comfort+).

FWIW I check the Delta site if I am up late or up early once a day between midnight and 6 AM and I would say every 3 weeks or so a drastic drop hits and I buy. I got my last flight while in FRA, left for a club early to get the cheaper entry and the price was over $1600 bucks came back and logged on and was something like $835. I got the ticket and went to bed. I woke up the next day was over $1700 again. They don't advertise these flash drops.

[HungryStud101]

From USA flight cost 2000 to 3000 usd? Business class right?

No.

Delta in Coach class and it wasn't even comfort plus. In fact I saved 800 $ by going back on a Sunday. My flight was just over $2,000 this time.

My colleague made his arrangements a few days after me and he left on Friday which was a more popular day and he paid 3,000 $ this trip and that was coach class too.

I'm sorry if I sounded like a dick in my post below. I just want people to understand my perspective.

[ExpatLover]

Please tell me Gino and Shark16: When did CIM not come with an Extra fee? I have been going to the FKKs since 2010 and it always has. Maybe you misunderstood my posts? It is rare that a girl will throw in CIM for free in a FKK. If they do decide to give it up for free that is not standard. Am I wrong?

You think a guy that pays for an extra service is a sucker? I think a guy that sits with a girl in a room for hours on end or takes a girl home and brags that they did this for 700 Euros is also a sucker. Hell, 700 euros is 2 full days in an FKK with a little left over.

My flight costs at least 2000-3000 $. Car rental and hotels are also expensive (car rentals are 2 X the USA). The opportunity to get away to visit an FKK is rare. Also understand that old women in the US charge incredible prices. 300 $ to 600 $/ hour. Vegas is an expensive place to monger. My favorite agency is at 500 $/ hour Girls at the world famous Vegas Brothels are ugly and I wouldn't fuck most of them for free. I get across the pond rarely and I don't come here to make a point with a WG over 50 Euros. This is not that big a deal for us really and I am not going to sleep with ugly women to save 50 Euros. She has to do something for me optically. So even though there are many 50 Euro options, I usually do not care to spend too much of my precious time with them...maybe I will do a few 50E sessions per visit. I did 3 this visit and last trip I can remember 4.

Please try to see things from my perspective.

And BTW. I didn't go with the girls that wanted 150 Euro for a BBBJ+CIM. I just reported it. I was trying to avoid saying BBBJ +CIM but I don't think I am getting through to you so I will put it in print.

Everyone has the right to act like he wants, CIM was never for free except with a girl you know well and you have long booking with her, she will give everything for free just because you are spending thousans and thousands every year with her. What is sure, prices are going up and service is going down also more and more veteran girls in the girls knowing how to suck our cash.

[Mr Ho]

Please tell me Gino and Shark16: When did CIM not come with an Extra fee? I have been going to the FKKs since 2010 and it always has. Maybe you misunderstood my posts? It is rare that a girl will throw in CIM for free in a FKK. If they do decide to give it up for free that is not standard. Am I wrong?

You think a guy that pays for an extra service is a sucker? I think a guy that sits with a girl in a room for hours on end or takes a girl home and brags that they did this for 700 Euros is also a sucker. Hell, 700 euros is 2 full days in an FKK with a little left over.

My flight costs at least 2000-3000 $. Car rental and hotels are also expensive (car rentals are 2 X the USA). The opportunity to get away to visit an FKK is rare. Also understand that old women in the US charge incredible prices. 300 $ to 600 $/ hour. Vegas is an expensive place to monger. My favorite agency is at 500 $/ hour Girls at the world famous Vegas Brothels are ugly and I wouldn't fuck most of them for free. I get across the pond rarely and I don't come here to make a point with a WG over 50 Euros. This is not that big a deal for us really and I am not going to sleep with ugly women to save 50 Euros..

From USA flight cost 2000 to 3000 usd? Business class right?

[HungryStud101]

Thanks for the kind words Shark16. Hope that eventually all these scamming goes away and everyone (including the girls) is happy.

Thanks a lot for reminding us all of the correct rates. I wish this could be a sticky note on top of every FKK thread on ISG.

Some girls will not kiss. Some will not permit FIV. Some will only provide CBJ. We have to respect that (and say politely "no thank you" and move on to a better performer). What we should not respect is that services as DFK or FIV (or BBBJ) only come with an extra fee. That's a scam and such girls should be avoided at all costs.

The more pushover you are, the more upselling you will experience in the clubs. It's as simple as that. Your choice.

Please tell me Gino and Shark16: When did CIM not come with an Extra fee? I have been going to the FKKs since 2010 and it always has. Maybe you misunderstood my posts? It is rare that a girl will throw in CIM for free in a FKK. If they do decide to give it up for free that is not standard. Am I wrong?

You think a guy that pays for an extra service is a sucker? I think a guy that sits with a girl in a room for hours on end or takes a girl home and brags that they did this for 700 Euros is also a sucker. Hell, 700 euros is 2 full days in an FKK with a little left over.

My flight costs at least 2000-3000 $. Car rental and hotels are also expensive (car rentals are 2 X the USA). The opportunity to get away to visit an FKK is rare. Also understand that old women in the US charge incredible prices. 300 $ to 600 $/ hour. Vegas is an expensive place to monger. My favorite agency is at 500 $/ hour Girls at the world famous Vegas Brothels are ugly and I wouldn't fuck most of them for free. I get across the pond rarely and I don't come here to make a point with a WG over 50 Euros. This is not that big a deal for us really and I am not going to sleep with ugly women to save 50 Euros. She has to do something for me optically. So even though there are many 50 Euro options, I usually do not care to spend too much of my precious time with them...maybe I will do a few 50E sessions per visit. I did 3 this visit and last trip I can remember 4.

Please try to see things from my perspective.

And BTW. I didn't go with the girls that wanted 150 Euro for a BBBJ+CIM. I just reported it. I was trying to avoid saying BBBJ +CIM but I don't think I am getting through to you so I will put it in print.

[Gino02]

Standard rate is ambiguous. If three customers were to pay the following: 50 EUR per 30 min. 100 EUR per 60 minute. 600 EUR per 6 hours.

All three customers would have paid "standard rates". Nobody tipped or paid more than market rate. But in most cases, the guy paying 600 EUR per 6 hours would be the most desirable.

Would you feel comfortable rephrasing your original statement to "there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service for 50 EUR 30 min"?

Excellent point McA. Only the honest, passionate and nice optifuck girls will get few 6 hours bookings (like in Globe), so essentially the market will reward the solid service and looks. No need to pay inflated prices. Similar to any other service business.

[Gino02]

Thanks a lot for reminding us all of the correct rates. I wish this could be a sticky note on top of every FKK thread on ISG.

I was particularly happy about your last sentence that "that these rates are irrespective of how beautiful / ugly or nice / bad personality the girl is". This is exactly my experience and an important note to every firsttimer to FKK Clubs. There are some frequent posters lately claiming that you "need to" pay double price to get good performance from the hottest girls. This is utterly BS. First of all, if there is any correlation at all you will find more scammers among the least attractive girls. And there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service at a standard rate. The best girls simply do not need to BS you. If a girl, pretty or not, is trying some BS, just be patient and find someone hotter than her.

Some girls will not kiss. Some will not permit FIV. Some will only provide CBJ. We have to respect that (and say politely "no thank you" and move on to a better performer). What we should not respect is that services as DFK or FIV (or BBBJ) only come with an extra fee. That's a scam and such girls should be avoided at all costs.

The more pushover you are, the more upselling you will experience in the clubs. It's as simple as that. Your choice.

Thanks for the kind words Shark16. Hope that eventually all these scamming goes away and everyone (including the girls) is happy.

[Sirioja]

There is a huge difference between day and night, it is really slow and with very few girls before 6 pm.

Also I confirm the food is always nice, never been disappointed.

Now should I go Palace or Mainhattan here is the dilemma.

Palace is far higher level for me, also than Oase and Sharks at the moment. At least, at Palace, You can see beautiful women, not GND little girls.

[McAdonis]

And there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service at a standard rate.

Standard rate is ambiguous. If three customers were to pay the following: 50 EUR per 30 min. 100 EUR per 60 minute. 600 EUR per 6 hours.

All three customers would have paid "standard rates". Nobody tipped or paid more than market rate. But in most cases, the guy paying 600 EUR per 6 hours would be the most desirable.

Would you feel comfortable rephrasing your original statement to "there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service for 50 EUR 30 min"?

[Member #4636]

I asked front lady for 50, she said no it's 75 until construction start. So I pay 75.

I just found this, don't speak German but I think it says that works and cheaper entry fee start from October 15th.

https://www.fkk24.de/the-palace/akti...ro-erhaeltlich

[Member #4636]

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Some girls will not kiss. Some will not permit FIV. Some will only provide CBJ. We have to respect that (and say politely "no thank you" and move on to a better performer). What we should not respect is that services as DFK or FIV (or BBBJ) only come with an extra fee. That's a scam and such girls should be avoided at all costs.

The more pushover you are, the more upselling you will experience in the clubs. It's as simple as that. Your choice.

I hope you are right but from my experience I find it very difficult, not to say impossible, to find a girl that will let us put a finger in her vagina and lick her pussy just for 50 e including also fucking of course and BBBJ and DFK. I feel like I will keep on moving to find a better performer which will never be there. All the girls I have met ask for an extra fee for DATY (which I want always).