FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Shark16]

I don't agree with Mr. Shark.

I would rather pay a 10 100 for 30 min than wait for a 6 for a measly 50 e saving!

We don't have to agree. It can still be a good and respectful discussion. But I think you are missing my point a little.

I have always liked the honesty in your reports as you always seem to pay the 50 E extra to the girls. You are free to overpay as much as you like. I don't care. Just as long as you do not pretend what you pay is the going rate. Because most gents including myself will pay 300 E for a day at a FKK club getting the exact same thing that you pay 450 E for. It's obviously fine by me. I hope it's ok for you.

My point is that if the girls are used to that you are overpaying, then it will be very difficult for you to find girls in the club at a normal rate. Even if other gents do. Have you ever tried?

But as long as you have the money to overpay and are okay with overpaying, then I have absolutely no problem with it.

[ChillBear]

It seems to happen more than you think. You make it sound like it is impossible. It's not. I can't recall a club visit in 2018 where I did not have the opportunity.

Of course; if you go for 1 h sessions a lot more girls will provide a good performance (including all the services that FKK visitors normally would expect). I'd say 80- 90% of the girls (including the hottest). So, 100 E /1 h is the going rate IME. But yes, there are enough hot girls that will happily provide good performance in a 50 E /30 mnts session too. It's not about which girls provide what, but about your own attitude and expectations (and possibly a bit of luck and charm).

Of course #2; my experiences in 2017- 18 have basically been at Oase and World (and to a lesser extent at Atlanta / Sharks/Bernd's/Rom). I have not been to Palace and Mainhattan in a long time. The reason is primarily that I find it more difficult to get good peformance at a normal rate there. So; there you go.

I would agree with this comment. It's all about chemistry. A little bait of additional tips for a good 30 minute session could also work. In my opinion as a visitor these hour sessions are only 45 minutes and I definitely don't have piv sex for 30+ minutes to take up the whole hour. Maybe I'm doing it wrong but even slow foreplay slow everything is still like 30 to 45 minutes. As much as most guys want to believe they are porno stars the truth is 15 minute of piv is a strong time for most guys.

That being said you are not going to get this price at palace. The entry fee is too high that the girls charge way more and sharky attitude is a lot more present compared to Oase and shark which remain my favorites.

[McAdonis]

I think guys generally are happy that a pretty girl from a while ago remembers anything about them, stokes their ego and ergo they play up the "girls talk and they remember" story.

Perhaps. But WGs will always remember the guys that do long rooms and / or the customers that repeat often with the same WG.

The whale might just "wife" one girl at a time, but I bet 90 percent of the WGs can point to the whale and say who his wife is. Reception and the male regulars who spend 40+ hours in the club can also sometimes remember who the whale is there to see. This is of course amplified in smaller clubs.

As for smaller details about likes. I think WGs might make small mental effort if ever they might get the opportunity to steal him away from his wife. Or his wife retires.

[Member #4636]

"I think guys generally are happy that a pretty girl from a while ago remembers anything about them, stokes their ego and ergo they play up the "girls talk and they remember" story..

I met a girl the other day that remembered that on my last visit she asked me for a room and I told her 'Later'.

LOL.

[Member #4581]

"Girls talk", yes but I think this "girls talk and their ability to remember" assumes a mythical standard around here in ISG. Girls talk the same way we talk. At least here on ISG our talk gets recorded, and is searchable. Their talk is oral, and subject to vagaries of time and only in small circles. Roxanna did not talk to Cosmina, Evita and Arianna might not have liked each other yadda yadda. What Roxanna knew, Cosmina might not. Here on this site, whether KK likes me or not, I know what his experiences and likes were and vice versa (just kidding, I love KK and his reports LOL).

Secondly, the ability of girls to remember specific details about guys is also elevated to a mythical standard. Again, I dispute this notion. They are not blessed with super human memories. If they were, they would not be sucking dick and licking ass for a living. As in any other profession or walk of life, sometimes *some* girls remember *some* guys and *some* of their wants and dislikes. Pretty normal. You might remember a few things about a customer that you served two years ago in your own business. Not that different from their situation. Yes, I sometimes run into girls who remember small things from a while ago. I also run into girls who had no memory of having even fucked. Steffi did not remember me after having fucked twice or thrice before. And she was hardly alone.

I think guys generally are happy that a pretty girl from a while ago remembers anything about them, stokes their ego and ergo they play up the "girls talk and they remember" story.

The other thing is that there is a constant churn of girls in these clubs that they can't be such efficient mechanisms of information exchange. If the 6 or 8 girls I fucked two years ago in a club are no longer there, and now we have 50 totally new girls, there is no information exchange. It is not as if they catalogued all their brain dump into a secret vault, accessible only to FKK girls.

[Member #4636]

Have you by any chance read this old post #7576 in Artemis thread http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...812&viewfull=1#post1702812 (or something similar) and practiced these principles, not only hard negotiations? If you did and your results didn't improve, I am sorry I don't have any other suggestion. But if you are yet to practice these principles, very likely you will start having amazing results once you start, like my experience over the decades. Good luck Pksimar69.

Thanks, I just read the post and it confirmed what I have also noticed that is missing in these clubs: Chemistry. It is not just the way you talk to each other before going to the room, it is that click in your mind that only few girls can give IMO. I have met one girl in Palace that has done this click to me but knowing that the chances to see her and having sex with her is like a roulette just gives me more stress. I tried to see her 5 times and succeed only once and that because I was very lucky. With all other girls I don't see that click happening. And how can I see it when some girls approach you in a way 'Hello, , what's your name? Do you want to go to the room?

Males me wonder sometimes how are mongers really turned on when they go to these clubs? If you haven't fucked for 2 weeks and taken a blue pill before it is fine, you fuck anything that is moving anyway, but seriously do you get hard when you just see these ladies walking naked? Just wondering.

[The Cane]

Well said. Many WGs here and many more there have all told me they have no desire to have men shoving bacteria laced fingernails up their pussies and / or getting a vaginal cut and not being able to work. Several don't even want the outside touched and / or rubbed but will permit it. They just ask not to stick them in.

I know of one who doesn't even want to let mongers lick her butt hole. She said she got a pussy infection once, and she believed she got it from letting a monger eat her asshole out, who went from ass to pussy to ass eating her out.

[Gino02]

I hope you are right but from my experience I find it very difficult, not to say impossible, to find a girl that will let us put a finger in her vagina and lick her pussy just for 50 e including also fucking of course and BBBJ and DFK. I feel like I will keep on moving to find a better performer which will never be there. All the girls I have met ask for an extra fee for DATY (which I want always).

We mongers tend to forget that these Romanian (or Bulgarian etc EE) girls still go back to their home country every few weeks or months, and back there that same 50 e is equivalent to about 10% of most folks monthly income. So basically they make same as their brothers, cousins or fathers make in whole month, in only 5 hours max. There are some exceptions, but most of these girls are more tied to their home country and family than the life in Germany which is to only make quick money. Like in any work, only the folks who loves their job (not just the money) and works hard, succeeds easily in making good money. We should support their hard work, but also remember this dynamics that 50 e for 30 minutes standard rate service is a great pay rate for an EE girl once she accepts the work of an WG. And even if we take this dynamics out, how may of the mongers actually make 100 e per hour or 600-1000 e per working day consistently? So we should not feel bad about the standard rates. It's a win-win situation for all parties, and it's up to all parties to remind themselves about it to keep it that way. Otherwise Germany will become like in USA, Australia or Canada. Hope not.

[Kosher Kowboy]

FIV is something most working girls dislike because it can be a health risk. Does and't matter if she is a semi regular or if it is just a first time 50 E with her. It makes sense too, as they don't know where that finger has been, how dirty is it, whether the guy washes his hands after wiping his ass. And if she lets every monger put fingers in her pussy it can lead to problems. And it is wrong for mongers to demand that FIV be included in 50 E or 100 E. You would and't want to work in a unhealthy working environment and be asked to do dangerous things, why should the girl be?

Well said. Many WGs here and many more there have all told me they have no desire to have men shoving bacteria laced fingernails up their pussies and / or getting a vaginal cut and not being able to work. Several don't even want the outside touched and / or rubbed but will permit it. They just ask not to stick them in. Just sitting for ten minutes talking to a girl prior to a room a guy may move an ashtray, might be smoking himself, might shake the hand of another monger he knows who walks buy or move a dirty glass out of the way there are a million things to transfer bacteria to a guys fingers than in to the vagina. The tear is actually their bigger concerns all takes is a tiny little piece of a nail. A bad yeast / bacterial infection or a tear in the vagina can put a girl out of commission as long as a STD could.

But just like girls will let guys AO them and take on the risk in the mainstream clubs there will be girls who do allow FIV. But as you say, most dislike it.

[Member #4581]

I hope you are right but from my experience I find it very difficult, not to say impossible, to find a girl that will let us put a finger in her vagina and lick her pussy just for 50 e including also fucking of course and BBBJ and DFK. I feel like I will keep on moving to find a better performer which will never be there. All the girls I have met ask for an extra fee for DATY (which I want always).

FIV is something most working girls dislike because it can be a health risk. Doesn't matter if she is a semi regular or if it is just a first time 50 E with her. It makes sense too, as they don't know where that finger has been, how dirty is it, whether the guy even washes his hands after wiping his ass. If she lets every single monger put fingers in her pussy it can lead to problems. Apart from hygiene, another problem is that some guys could be rough with how hard they poke; and it is wrong for mongers to demand that FIV be automatically included in 50 E or 100 E. You wouldn't want to work in a unhealthy working environment and be asked to do dangerous things, why should the girl be? If the girl lets you, great. But just because the monger claims his hands are clean does not mean the girl should take his word and let him plow her pussy with his digits.

[Sebastiane]

I don't agree with Mr. Shark. I speak fluent German and the service I get varies from girl to girl and from club to club. Sure girls talk but it is not as bad as you are making out. In over 10 years of mongering all over Germany I can speak with experience. When I started years ago at Palace 50 e usually got you DFK, sex, BBBJ and a GFE with some girls for 30 min. Now you have to pay 100-150 for the same but you go for an hour. And I personally am not going to haggle over 50 euros with a girl who is the one I want to go with! Sure you can keep on rejecting girls until one agrees to do everything for 50 e but that's not why I go to FKKs. I go to have sex with the most beautiful girls and very few of the hottest girls now with give you what you want for just 50. I would rather pay a 10 100 for 30 min than wait for a 6 for a measly 50 e saving! Obviously there is some variation depending on the club: a 10 at Samya with everything I want will be less than a 10 at Palace or Harmony or Globe simply because the latter clubs have higher rates.

I know girls talk- I myself have mentioned it- but it can also work in your favour if you have a good reputation. And that increases if you've become a regular!

At the end of the day we all go to FKK looking for slightly different things other than just fucking. Some want to try only girls who are 18 or 19, some will only go for optificks, some wait for the 10's only, some want a fuck for 50 only no matter what. And some guys pre-book their favourites for multiple hours or even the whole day!

I personally don't think the effect of tourists on pricing is that high as most of the customers tend to be locals -- even though it could be Auslander who live and work in Germany.

[Sirioja]

My experience is very similar too. For over a decade, latest being in early 2018 (wish I can get out of this sex prison soon, else I might as well die LOL). That said, if even by mistake, even for only once, literally just one time, you pay more than the "standard" rates for any of the services, you are NOT going to get anything for the standard rate never ever in that club. And may even be not in any other clubs in Germany, Switzerland and Austria! Until you stop going to FKKs for couple of years by when fresh new girls come into the business who never saw / heard of you. These WGs talk. I mean really really TALK! About every single details about you. They have a lot of time in between sessions, even the busiest girls. They talk on the couches, in the locker rooms, in their sleeping rooms, restaurants, everywhere. Consider the girls in your personal life talking, make that 100 times for these WGs. If one girl sees a post here in ISG that she thinks her friends should know, that will be spread viral in no time LOL. And they never ever forget who was a sucker (or not), even after many years!

Don't be paranoiac, girls talk, but guys bullshit even more, so many need, rather than enjoying fucking girls.

Manners and skill pay as money, but 50 are for rabbit sex, too short to take time to make love in bed, with foreplay. Making really cum girls, not just fake porn moaning, make girls looking at you in different way. Even those who try to block at the beginning but when they feel it s coming, most of girls will help you to make them cum, some pressing on your head. Even exhausting for some, but it s like a drug, they want to feel, and they don t get so often real orgasmus, some nearly squirting, some with really sticky juice. Funny to try to make them taste their own juice.

[Gino02]

It seems to happen more than you think. You make it sound like it is impossible. It's not. I can't recall a club visit in 2018 where I did not have the opportunity.

Of course; if you go for 1 h sessions a lot more girls will provide a good performance (including all the services that FKK visitors normally would expect). I'd say 80- 90% of the girls (including the hottest). So, 100 E /1 h is the going rate IME. But yes, there are enough hot girls that will happily provide good performance in a 50 E /30 mnts session too. It's not about which girls provide what, but about your own attitude and expectations (and possibly a bit of luck and charm).

Of course #2; my experiences in 2017- 18 have basically been at Oase and World (and to a lesser extent at Atlanta / Sharks/Bernd's/Rom). I have not been to Palace and Mainhattan in a long time. The reason is primarily that I find it more difficult to get good peformance at a normal rate there. So; there you go.

My experience is very similar too. For over a decade, latest being in early 2018 (wish I can get out of this sex prison soon, else I might as well die LOL). That said, if even by mistake, even for only once, literally just one time, you pay more than the "standard" rates for any of the services, you are NOT going to get anything for the standard rate never ever in that club. And may even be not in any other clubs in Germany, Switzerland and Austria! Until you stop going to FKKs for couple of years by when fresh new girls come into the business who never saw / heard of you. These WGs talk. I mean really really TALK! About every single details about you. They have a lot of time in between sessions, even the busiest girls. They talk on the couches, in the locker rooms, in their sleeping rooms, restaurants, everywhere. Consider the girls in your personal life talking, make that 100 times for these WGs. If one girl sees a post here in ISG that she thinks her friends should know, that will be spread viral in no time LOL. And they never ever forget who was a sucker (or not), even after many years!

Only for once, few years back, I paid 200 e for an hour of super hot sweaty 1 hour public session with CIM in Palace kino, which I should have paid the standard 150 e. After that one mistake, I could not get any standard rate service in Palace for next couple of years from any girls!

Even worse (or should I say was better for me), I was surprised that one girl I never met before, very nicely told me in Globe (Zurich) that she saw me in Sharks couple of years back with her friend, and she knows what I like and how much I pay. She described quite correctly all these but also warned me that the costs are going to about double, but she would like to give me discounts as she wants to be my regular like her friend back in Sharks. She is a Globe hottie in early 20's!

So IME, whatever maximum I pay for whatever service one time, just ONE TIME, even by mistake, that becomes a minimum rate (almost like written on my forehead) that I will have to pay across the board for these WGs. And if I paid more than the standard rates, they will try to get even more for the same service in every occasion as they know I don't stick to standard rates. I think I can bring the rates back to standard only in one of the two ways. Either I stop going to FKKs for next couple of years, and then the new girls don't know me. Or accept a lot of declines from these WGs until they all talk and the cartel decides that this guy is no longer a sucker, so only way to get any euros from him is by delivering services at standard rates, which is still some awesome money compared to nothing!

[Shark16]

I knew there was a word missing in my report. Nice find, Gino. Here is a better link to RB's report I think: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post1702812.

[Gino02]

I have never had such luck getting all these for just 50 e.

Have you by any chance read this old post #7576 in Artemis thread http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...812&viewfull=1#post1702812 (or something similar) and practiced these principles, not only hard negotiations? If you did and your results didn't improve, I am sorry I don't have any other suggestion. But if you are yet to practice these principles, very likely you will start having amazing results once you start, like my experience over the decades. Good luck Pksimar69.