Vienna

[Delta Indigo]

I can see that the chances are low, but 1 or 2 in Germany isb't significant enough to make conclusive remarks. That number just tells us hardly any in the club scene.

As far as making parallel to Germany in regards to girls working away from their home, I have met girls working HR away. At GT from Koln or at DV from Koln. I have also met girls from Duss, working at Duss. Girls from Hamburg actually working in Hamburg. All kinds.

Another criteria in choosing clubs is how busy the club is, and they want a lot of clients on limited days they work. They also tend to move around a bit.

Anyway, clubs in Austria are actually spread far apart. Wellcum and GT are about 4. 5 hrs apart, GT Lintz 2 hrs away from GT. GT has big oppotunity if the girl is looking to work there from outside the city. Just like many Germans willing to work in DV in Dusseldorf city.

So your theory is just an assumption with no real data. As I stated above, there are variations, not ones single senario.

Two things I had stated, one about proximity, and there you have a point about Austria, although even though the distance is larger, Austria feels like a smaller place where people get around and more people know each other.

I have even met a Swiss girl in the Globe, the infamous Kim, I don't know if she is still there. So the point was that Austrian working girls do exist.

Now the second point is more important, Austria has a lot less poverty than Germany and Switzerland far less than both. So there will be less supply than in Germany, where due to the Hart IV reforms of Gerhard Schroeder after a year of unemployment money you are out of options. Furthermore Austria is more culturally conservative and Austrian girls would really hate to be outed.

All these three points work together in conjunction.

1. Small size of a country.

2. Conservatism, how bad would it be if people found out.

3. Relative wealth or poverty.

Point 1 is not only about distance, but the likelihood that you will run into people you know in other locales, extended family members or friends of friends, if point 1 was only about distance, how can you explain that there are Austrian working girls outside of Austria but one never found in Austria by anyone here.

Point 2 is far less severe in Germany than in Austria which is far more family oriented a culture.

How many swiss working girls have you ever come across, I have only one in the FKK areas.

Yes I do have a causal argument behind my observations and it is my best guess based upon familiarity with the locale.

What "real data" or observations do you have to back up an alternative theory?

[PussyLiccker]

I have come across Austrian girls in both Germany and Switzerland. Austria is a small country and the girls probably don't want to be outed.

I have come across 2 Austrian girls in Germany, the infamous Aileen and two in Switzerland. In Germany, most German girls don't work close to their home towns for the same reason.

Also I think Austria proportionately has a lot less poverty than Germany, hence less willing supply.

I can see that the chances are low, but 1 or 2 in Germany isb't significant enough to make conclusive remarks. That number just tells us hardly any in the club scene.

As far as making parallel to Germany in regards to girls working away from their home, I have met girls working HR away. At GT from Koln or at DV from Koln. I have also met girls from Duss, working at Duss. Girls from Hamburg actually working in Hamburg. All kinds.

Another criteria in choosing clubs is how busy the club is, and they want a lot of clients on limited days they work. They also tend to move around a bit.

Anyway, clubs in Austria are actually spread far apart. Wellcum and GT are about 4. 5 hrs apart, GT Lintz 2 hrs away from GT. GT has big oppotunity if the girl is looking to work there from outside the city. Just like many Germans willing to work in DV in Dusseldorf city.

So your theory is just an assumption with no real data. As I stated above, there are variations, not ones single senario.

[Massimo Potente]

I have come across Austrian girls in both Germany and Switzerland. Austria is a small country and the girls probably don't want to be outed.

I have come across 2 Austrian girls in Germany, the infamous Aileen and two in Switzerland. In Germany, most German girls don't work close to their home towns for the same reason.

Also I think Austria proportionately has a lot less poverty than Germany, hence less willing supply.

100% agreed.

As far as 4* Hotels are concerned the MOTEL ONE chain is good and all of them are located pretty central. There are many other good ones for sure. I wouldn't worry about the hotels not being escort friendly. 99% of them are perfectly ok with it or will look the other way when it happens.

[Delta Indigo]

I don't get it. In Germany, you can find some young German girls in clubs, but perhaps some of them got wrapped up with the wrong circle or gotten into drugs, most likely those types. Majority of the German girls in clubs these days are half Turkish girls or immigrant kids, and I'm interested in knowing thy that is the case. And I have met some pure Germans in clubs working for 50 Euros rate eventhough they can escort for more than twice the rate. Their reason is, number of clients in the clubs and the protection. I think protection is the most important, but I think they are fishing in clubs for big spenders for escorting. This makes whole lot of sense as escorting strangers is a real big risk, but getting to know a potential client in clubs creates a safe option.

Wouldn't Austria have a populous of Austrians like in Germany that somehow opted to work in clubs? I guess somehow, situation is different in Austria. Not even a minor chance to see Austrians in Austrian clubs is too different from Germany.

I recall way back (about 8 years ago), I recall seeing 50/50 Ro and Germans working in an apartment in Hamburg. They are all individual rooms, so why would Ro effect them? I could understand in club situations, but I see them as individual contractors that do not associate with Ro in clubs. I think it has more to do with management. More and more clubs are becoming Ro managed/staffed.

I have come across Austrian girls in both Germany and Switzerland. Austria is a small country and the girls probably don't want to be outed.

I have come across 2 Austrian girls in Germany, the infamous Aileen and two in Switzerland. In Germany, most German girls don't work close to their home towns for the same reason.

Also I think Austria proportionately has a lot less poverty than Germany, hence less willing supply.

[Darster]

Hello,

Can you name few 4 stars girl friendly hotels in Vienna?

I have never invited a girl to my hotel just because do not know how the receptionist would react to it.

Last time I was in Exe hotel in Ottakring, not sure if it is girl friendly.

[MonSooner]

I guess somehow, situation is different in Austria. Not even a minor chance to see Austrians in Austrian clubs is too different from Germany.

Another fact that could finally make you guys understand that as far as brothels go Germany can't be compared to anything.

This is super off topic yet again.

Credit to you though for some solid points. I am sure you are spot on with the remark Turkish background and some girls being wrapped up in the wrong circles and stuff.

[Jonn89]

The Laufhauses I've been to pretty much have the same concept, but there is a huge difference between German and Austrian Laufhauses in terms of price. In my opinion, Austrian Laufhauses are higher priced, but they often have better venues as well. A great example of this would be Laufhaus Zollgasse, which looks real nice but it is the most expensive Laufhaus I've heard of so far.

[Massimo Potente]

More and more clubs are becoming Ro managed/staffed.

Even that is way more severe in Germany over Austria. For instance basically all establishment in the center plus GT and FP are in Austrian hands / management. It's not for example OASE in Germany where pretty much every single person working there at the bar and restaurant is RO. Austria is still different that way, even Vienna which is very "multi / culti".

[PussyLiccker]

There is a Bulgarian as well: Breni.

But case in point. The vast majority are Romanians and that is one of the reasons why there are hardly any Austrians around. They don't want to deal with groups of them. Also the prices as they are / were don't appeal to them unless they potentially can make a guaranteed fortune without much of a hassle. Best chance to find an Austrian girl is in more expensive escort agencies, in Babylon and sometimes in Maxim, too.

That is Vienna but in smaller and more provincial clubs chances get a bit better.

I am sure the locals and regular posters here will gladly announce if they come across an Austrian chick anywhere.

I don't get it. In Germany, you can find some young German girls in clubs, but perhaps some of them got wrapped up with the wrong circle or gotten into drugs, most likely those types. Majority of the German girls in clubs these days are half Turkish girls or immigrant kids, and I'm interested in knowing thy that is the case. And I have met some pure Germans in clubs working for 50 Euros rate eventhough they can escort for more than twice the rate. Their reason is, number of clients in the clubs and the protection. I think protection is the most important, but I think they are fishing in clubs for big spenders for escorting. This makes whole lot of sense as escorting strangers is a real big risk, but getting to know a potential client in clubs creates a safe option.

Wouldn't Austria have a populous of Austrians like in Germany that somehow opted to work in clubs? I guess somehow, situation is different in Austria. Not even a minor chance to see Austrians in Austrian clubs is too different from Germany.

I recall way back (about 8 years ago), I recall seeing 50/50 Ro and Germans working in an apartment in Hamburg. They are all individual rooms, so why would Ro effect them? I could understand in club situations, but I see them as individual contractors that do not associate with Ro in clubs. I think it has more to do with management. More and more clubs are becoming Ro managed/staffed.

[Chubzy Maximus]

I think Laufhaus as a concept are fairly similar everywhere but exist mostly in the German speaking countries AFAIK. They are definitely not private flats because such are highly illegal in Austria and will be sooner or later raided by the authorities. We have seen this a lot lately. Laufhauses are often former smaller hotels, motels or bed and breakfast type of structures. I think Laufhauses are discussed here quite a bit lately, particularly Laufhaus Vienna and Zollgasse. The latter one mostly due to its quite central location and because it is brand new. Laufhaus Vienna is the most successcul one as far as all rooms being busy is considered success, which in my book, is the best indicator of success for a Laufhaus, without a doubt.

I am not surprised to read that all girls who you sessioned with were foreign and not Austrian. Finding Austrian prostitutes is a tough task, especially if you want one that is comparably gorgeous as some of the Romanian or Bulgarian ladies that you find at Maxim, Babylon, Goldentime etc.

So the answer is no, you will not find college girls in the Vienna Laufhauses or let's say that the chances to find them there are slim.

Thanks for the explanation Massimo. I wondered about these laufhauses and studios. I think in Germany there is an App (believe it's name is aloha or something) where you can find college girls who are non pros. Would be interesting to see if something like this is in Austria.

[MonSooner]

I talked to pretty much all Ro at the Laufhause and looks to be pretty much all Ro. There was one girl on the 2nd floor as soon as you step on the floor, she claimed Hungarian.

There is a Bulgarian as well: Breni.

But case in point. The vast majority are Romanians and that is one of the reasons why there are hardly any Austrians around. They don't want to deal with groups of them. Also the prices as they are / were don't appeal to them unless they potentially can make a guaranteed fortune without much of a hassle. Best chance to find an Austrian girl is in more expensive escort agencies, in Babylon and sometimes in Maxim, too.

That is Vienna but in smaller and more provincial clubs chances get a bit better.

I am sure the locals and regular posters here will gladly announce if they come across an Austrian chick anywhere.

[PussyLiccker]

I talked to pretty much all Ro at the Laufhause and looks to be pretty much all Ro. There was one girl on the 2nd floor as soon as you step on the floor, she claimed Hungarian.

[Massimo Potente]

Massimo,

Laufhaus is a concept I'm not quite getting in Vienna. Are they private flats? Full blown brothel? What is their model? Why are they not discussed as much as maxim or Goldentime? Is service not as good at these places?

I have seen only a handful of providers in Vienna. They were all hits, even though they were expensive, but I had no complaints about their service. They were not Austrian though. All foreign girls. Another question I have is at these Laufhauses are you bound to run into college Austrian girls as providers? Is there a mechanism to find girls like this in Vienna? From what it sounds like you will not find them at maxim or Goldentime?

Thanks.

I think Laufhaus as a concept are fairly similar everywhere but exist mostly in the German speaking countries AFAIK. They are definitely not private flats because such are highly illegal in Austria and will be sooner or later raided by the authorities. We have seen this a lot lately. Laufhauses are often former smaller hotels, motels or bed and breakfast type of structures. I think Laufhauses are discussed here quite a bit lately, particularly Laufhaus Vienna and Zollgasse. The latter one mostly due to its quite central location and because it is brand new. Laufhaus Vienna is the most successcul one as far as all rooms being busy is considered success, which in my book, is the best indicator of success for a Laufhaus, without a doubt.

I am not surprised to read that all girls who you sessioned with were foreign and not Austrian. Finding Austrian prostitutes is a tough task, especially if you want one that is comparably gorgeous as some of the Romanian or Bulgarian ladies that you find at Maxim, Babylon, Goldentime etc.

So the answer is no, you will not find college girls in the Vienna Laufhauses or let's say that the chances to find them there are slim.

[PussyLiccker]

I've stopped by Vienna for a couple of days and tried out 3 venues. GT, FunPalast, and Laufhaus Vienna.

My past visits were fairly ok. Although, girls generally ask for 100 Euros for half hour for kissing and BBBJ, I had no trouble negotiating for an HR session instead.

This time around, there was noticible difference in the LU, and the girls I've had 60 Euros sessions in my previous visits weren't there.

Although the club still has the top LU of girls, the vibe felt much sharkier than my previous visits. I didn't get a good vibe from interaction with the girls. This time around, the vibe generally felt like Palace in Frankfurt, Germany which is re-known for being one of the sharkiest clubs in Germany.

So, I was pretty reluctant to session, and ended up sessioning only 2 girls (which is a stark constrast from my last visit with 7 girls sessioned) in two days of visiting.

I now have a clear understanding of the pricing that the girls are trying to impose on the guys. It's basically the same pricing as the Laufhaus Vienna. When I asked several of the girls about pricing (at LH Vienna) for FK or BBBJ, they all quoted me 20 Euros extra for each deed. So basically, their standard for 60 Euros is covered suck and fuck within the 30min duration, and kissing or bbbj provided for extra (20 Euros each). This was the same price that girls were pushing for at GT. So a service with kissing and bbbj would be 60 + 20 + 20 = 100 Euros.

I ended up only sessioning two girls due to all this.

First one was Soraya, who was Lebanese. She told me she was a model in Italy, and I kinda believe it as she had a model face with the most beautiful eyes. She was fairly tall. Despite her claim of being a model, her body wasn't that firm. Supposedly I was her first client in the job. Service was ok without upsell.

Second girl was a Bulgarian blonde with botox lips, and a bit on the petite side. Session was quite bad.

This visit wasn't noteworthy compared to past visits. I'm not really all that eager to return.

I also stopped by FunPalast on a Tuesday night. They had the 80 Euros special with 60 Euro voucher for a session with a girl included. This entry however doesn't include food or drinks which must be purchased separately. I found this out when I asked for drink at the bar, and the bartender chased me down for me to pay him 4 Euros for a measly bottled Coke Zero.

Still, I find the entry fee totally worth it due to the voucher for a 30 min session.

I find the looks of the girls at FunPalast to not be as polished in looks at girls in GT Vienna. Girls in GT does seem to be better presented with makeup, etc. And since GT ambience being much classier, this may have some influence in how the girls are perceived as well. Biggest thing is that GT girls are nude, and have nice bodies. Generally, GT's LU is better, but Fun Palast LU wasn't entirely bad as there were 3 girls I was interested in. If we consider majority to majority, GT's LU is clearly the winner.

Luckily, I ran into a tall model type Ro that looked really pretty. Her service was quite GFE to boot. The other two however, doesn't provide the service I was looking for, so I was a bit let-down by this statistic.

I didn't session any girl at Laufhaus Vienna, but I found it interesting that every girl I asked for FK, they told me they do it, but for extra 20 Euros. I always thought RLD girls generally refuse kissing services. Another thing that differentiates from RLD is that these girls go by 30 min rates compared to 20 min at the RLD.

Given you have to pay 90 Euros for entry at GT, and girls push for same rate as the Laufhaus, why not just go to the Laufhause instead? You can find some good looking girls there as well. I guess one thing that GT has advantage is the quantity of girls. I've been told that beginning of the week is about half the number of girls than on the weekend. Starting Thursday, the number of girls gets much greater, with 70-80 girls on peak night (with early week half the number).

This trip wasn't anything particularly memorable, but I had fun taking my rental through the city. The traffic sucks, but when the traffic is flowing, Vienna is a fun place to drive.

[Chubzy Maximus]

You are perhaps confusing the Laufhaus at Zollgasse 3 with another establishment. Zollgasse 3 is brand new and didn't exist a year ago. There's also no madam that would introduce or line up the girls. The prices between 150 and 200 sound about right, though.

Massimo,

Laufhaus is a concept I'm not quite getting in Vienna. Are they private flats? Full blown brothel? What is their model? Why are they not discussed as much as maxim or Goldentime? Is service not as good at these places?

I have seen only a handful of providers in Vienna. They were all hits, even though they were expensive, but I had no complaints about their service. They were not Austrian though. All foreign girls. Another question I have is at these Laufhauses are you bound to run into college Austrian girls as providers? Is there a mechanism to find girls like this in Vienna? From what it sounds like you will not find them at maxim or Goldentime?

Thanks.