East China - Shanghai

[Daldm]

I arrived 3 days ago in shanghai. I didn't dare to go to saunas or massage places, just had incall service, I went to some KTV, didn't take the girls back, just banged them in the restroom for 1.5 k tip, because the organizer of the KTV party suggested me, if I wanted overnight, it was better to go to the girls house and not back to my hotel room and I didn't like very much the idea.

For the entire month of November, it will be very windy and even KTV will close down (the naughty ones) for one month.

I'm going to Nanjing today, already booked a fishbowl sauna, I will report tomorrow, in the Nanjing section, about the experience.

[Member #4689]

Walked along Weifang Lu (near crossing Pudong South Rd) and it seems that all MPs have finally disappeared after hanging on since the start of the crackdown. There used to be around 6 of them in close proximity and they have now been converted to other functions or are stripped bare. Same for nearby Laoshan Lu. Damn. This was such a good street with many lovely skilled girls. Will they ever return?

Does anyone know if Changshou 76 Spa has re-opened?

[Member #4689]

Meanwhile, I cannot believe how different BJ is from SH. I walked around in several different areas and stumbled upon several high-end KTVs with WGs, and MPs with FS. Why is it easier and cheaper to monger in BJ than in SH, given that BJ is the capital??

Perhaps it is because of the upcoming China International Import Expo (Nov 5th). Every time there is an important event the authorities will polish the whole city, getting rid of deviant activities like ours. The local Shanghai Daily (Shine. Cn) is now daily overflowing with Import Expo related articles such as introduction of NEV taxis with high quality drivers, food inspections etc. You get the idea. Let's not forget that in the current trade war with US, China wants to show the world that it is open for business so no efforts will be spared to make a good impression. Unfortunately low key P4P will also get scrutiny, so be careful next few weeks.

On a positive note : the Nanjing Lu scammers will also get the 'memo'...

[Midwestern]

Everyone at Double Tree Shanghai gets photographed, at front desk, upon checkin.

I'm in Beijing this week, and there was no photographing of me at two hotels so far. Seems weird that Shanghai is more hyped up about security than Beijing. Meanwhile, I cannot believe how different BJ is from SH. I walked around in several different areas and stumbled upon several high-end KTVs with WGs, and MPs with FS. Why is it easier and cheaper to monger in BJ than in SH, given that BJ is the capital??

[SnrMan]

Went back and got a different older provider. Again, very good HJ. These old providers may have been giving HJs for over 20 years now, so they really know what to do. This lady did something with my asshole with her finger and I came hard and suddenly, without warning. Probably the most I came in years. She didn't ask for a tip. So HJs are included in the 258 lingham relief massage.

Was looking through old posts and found this reference to a MP near where I normally stay in Shanghai. Have checked it out twice in the past month.

First visit on a Sunday afternoon the day before the national holiday. Location is down an alley, but not difficult to find. About half block south on Tai'an Lu on Huashan. Asked for a 60 minute massage and gentleman behind counter suggested RMB 258. Took a flyer on it.

Masseuse was attractive and petite, mid- to late- thirties (No. 6). She gave a decent massage and could tell from amount of attention she paid to massaging my butt that extras would be available. On flip, she offered he for a tip. I offered 200 and she accepted. Very good skills, with roaming allowed. She opened her top and unhooked her bra, and she didn't have a problem with roaming below (although with her uniform still on). I didn't try to go further.

A shower was available afterwards. I asked for her wechat info, but she didn't seem to understand (think she thought I was asking about using wechat to pay). Anyway, figured I'the be back and try to get her info then.

Returned this morning; just before 11 and they were just opening. Greeted by an auntie; looked at menu and selected 60 min oil massage for 198. She did the massage, and I (correctly) assumed it would be veggie. This was OK, as she gave a very good, strong massage that I needed after being in airplanes for 30 hrs in the past 5 days.

At payment, the lady behind the desk suggested I try the 258 massage next time I come by. Picked up a card so I could message ahead of next visit, but only has a landline. No mobile or wechat. I may try to call next time and test my very limited Chinese.

Overall good experience and looks like the 258 option is the way to go.

[Tyb60]

Anyone I'm worried about China needs to be a arare of the following.

On entry get fingerprinted and photographed. Not why anyone is uncomfortable, happens in every country.

Upon check in to hotel get passport scanned, locals get photo ID and tracked. Foreigners must register with local police if not checked-in by hotel. Seems like Europe where they take your passport, what's the problem they need to know who is where.

Walking around get photographed and tracked if you at a person of interest out of the billions there and tens of millions of visitors.

Use WiFi or phone or social media, everything monitored and possibly censored real time.

Simple rules, don't break the prevailing law and or transgress an area of law enforcement focus. When things change need to be aware and adjust before enforcement starts. It's orettu clear what not to do and when and you monitor the climate.

Stay safe!

[Steve 9696]

Would somebody please go have some sex and report back? Preferably a juicy Manhattan visit. I can only take immigration woes so long.

[JesseJames]

Average Chinese not even aware there is a trade dispute going on. And if aware, they don't seem to care that much.

They've been getting away with screwing USA with trade as much as they could. You can't blame them. No one said stop. Until President Trump. He's tough and is standing up to another tough cookie, president for life, Xi. They'll be a deal made, more in US favor. With Xi preoccupied maybe things will loosen up on social scene.

[JesseJames]

In September I stayed in hotels in Shanghai, Guillin and Qingdao. My wife is a Chinese National and she was photographed when we checked into our hotel in Qingdao. I wasn't photographed there. Neither of us was photographed in Guillin. I was in Shanghai alone and don't remember being photographed there.

Everyone at Double Tree Shanghai gets photographed, at front desk, upon checkin.

[Bigfoot16]

Are they taking photos of everyone or just foreigners?

In September I stayed in hotels in Shanghai, Guillin and Qingdao. My wife is a Chinese National and she was photographed when we checked into our hotel in Qingdao. I wasn't photographed there. Neither of us was photographed in Guillin. I was in Shanghai alone and don't remember being photographed there.

[Midwestern]

Are they taking photos of everyone or just foreigners?

I guess everyone. There was a huge sign at the reception that everyone needed to have their picture taken. But I didn't pay close attention.

[Blanquiceleste]

I got fingerprinted at the airport too. Don't think it's a big deal. But the picture taking at the hotel is what worries me. I had mine taken recently when I stayed at a hotel in the Sonjiang area. It seems like overkill.

Fingerprinting is pretty common, happens at several airports. The way it is done at PVG is what makes it noticeable and disconcerting.

I have visited Shanghai thrice this year and stayed at the Intercontinental Jing'an. They never took any photos of me or of any other guests, that were checking in alongside me.

[AggieDad1]

My last visit to China was in April.

This time when I arrived at Shanghai / Pudong airport I found that they were now requiring all arrivees to be fingerprinted.

Then upon checking into the hotel, the staff is required to take your photo. Which is attached to the documentation with your passport. I visited a couple other hotels (including the Westin) and they were also photographing customers upon check-in.

Red Rider.

When I arrived in Beijing on June 19th I was fingerprinted. On that trip I made a short trip to Thailand and returned to China at Xiamen and was not fingerprinted again. Never was photographed at the hotel. That is something new.

[AggieDad1]

With all the recent backlash / pushback against China (economic, trade, political, military etc), mainly coming from Trump / US who try to form some kind of containment coalition against China (anti-dragon trade clause in recent US / Canada / Mexico free trade agreement, speaking out on the Xinjiang crackdown, recent Chinese 'spies' captured in US, planned massive military exercises in the South China Sea (CNN report) etc etc. We can only wonder when the mighty propaganda and security apparatus will turn against us foreigners.

Did anyone of you experience some form / hint of reservation or hostility, either in your regular business or private life and of course our dear hobby?

We might need to be careful and watch the overall public atmosphere, things can quickly be manipulated here, say LE looking to nab foreign punters.

Just wondering.

Stay safe.

I usually make one or two trips to China a year. I am an American and this last trip during the first week of July only had a couple of people who voiced their displeasure about the current situation with me. One was Chinese and the other was German. The Chinese guy was not happy about the stock market and the German guy was unhappy about trade. I listened politely and let them rant, (never agreed with them), and they both left the bar happy. I have been going to China since 2007 and have noticed a steady decline in the number of westerners since about 2013. In fact several guys I knew who lived and worked in China have left for Thailand or back to the USA.

[Boag11]

I got fingerprinted at the airport too. Don't think it's a big deal. But the picture taking at the hotel is what worries me. I had mine taken recently when I stayed at a hotel in the Sonjiang area. It seems like overkill.

Are they taking photos of everyone or just foreigners?