German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Polyamorist]

In many country you pay before the session, so FKK paying after system gives monger more power.

Hamdulillah Ho-san. Even with escorts in Europe, I notice that if a girl asks you to pay in advance that generally means she expects the session will be bad and she's afraid you won't pay at all. So the sensible thing is for a guy to always refuse to pay in advance. In fact, the smartest thing is to cancel right away as clearly the girl does not intend to give you good treatment.

I recently had a weird experience in an out-of-the-way FKK, where a girl asked me to pay in advance. Of course I said no, but I went ahead with the session. I realize this was a mistake: the girl provided a truly awful session. She was a shark. I made a partial payment but the session was worth less than zero.

Lesson learnt. If a girl asks for advance payment: cancel!

By the way, in a Mad-Max FKK like Artemis or Oase, if you have a bad session with a Romanian girl, and the girl at the counter is also Romanian (and a former WG) then obviously she is just going to side with the girl no matter what happens. There is no real oversight in these places, that is why they are Mad-Max FKKs. The solution is damn simple: just don't go to MMFKKs. Go to places with real management.

[Member #4636]

Many mongers including myself complain or have hard feeling about upselling in FKK.

However, we often forget that FKK system allow us to pay girls after the service for good reason, which is if you did not like the service or feel ripped off we can refuse to pay such upselling amount.

Of course girl will complain then and not us LOL.

One maybe say the management, but as long as we monger are willing to pay standard rate for time we went into room, the management will be fair and won't tell you to pay upselling amount.

Sometimes, some feel oblige to pay agreed amount at locker even service is not delivered as promised, but we really do not need to pay upselling amount, but just pay standard amount based on time you went in the room.

So paying system of FKK actually allow monger to decide how much you want to pay after the session.

In many country you pay before the session, so FKK paying after system gives monger more power.

This FKK paying system you are referring is not something official so we cannot tell the girl. There are many bitches out there especially in Artemis that when you don't give them the money you agreed before and although the service was bad they threaten you that they will tell the management that you did BBBJ so you pay the fine. Which can be true but also can be fake (the BBBJ).

[Chongmal]

Many mongers including myself complain or have hard feeling about upselling in FKK.

However, we often forget that FKK system allow us to pay girls after the service for good reason, which is if you did not like the service or feel ripped off we can refuse to pay such upselling amount.

Of course girl will complain then and not us LOL.

One maybe say the management, but as long as we monger are willing to pay standard rate for time we went into room, the management will be fair and won't tell you to pay upselling amount.

Sometimes, some feel oblige to pay agreed amount at locker even service is not delivered as promised, but we really do not need to pay upselling amount, but just pay standard amount based on time you went in the room.

So paying system of FKK actually allow monger to decide how much you want to pay after the session.

In many country you pay before the session, so FKK paying after system gives monger more power.

Interesting, I heard this story from the other perspective just this week. A WG explained that the customer refused to pay after a one hour session. At reception, the choice was given, back away or tell us and we call the police on him. In this case, the WG backed away to maintain peace because reception promised to make it right for her. All said, for this man it worked out but I know other WGs I'm sure would have pushed to call the police. I can't imagine how the conversation with the police would go, but I personally wouldn't want to be in that situation.

[Mr Ho]

Many mongers including myself complain or have hard feeling about upselling in FKK.

However, we often forget that FKK system allow us to pay girls after the service for good reason, which is if you did not like the service or feel ripped off we can refuse to pay such upselling amount.

Of course girl will complain then and not us LOL.

One maybe say the management, but as long as we monger are willing to pay standard rate for time we went into room, the management will be fair and won't tell you to pay upselling amount.

Sometimes, some feel oblige to pay agreed amount at locker even service is not delivered as promised, but we really do not need to pay upselling amount, but just pay standard amount based on time you went in the room.

So paying system of FKK actually allow monger to decide how much you want to pay after the session.

In many country you pay before the session, so FKK paying after system gives monger more power.

[Member #4581]

I understand your point. It is hard to continue to ignore a poster who has some kind of vendetta against one (I am assuming the poster is continually denigrating you or your posts). I would suggest that you are right not to reply. Other ISG members will hopefully see the person's posts and draw their own conclusions. Getting sucked into the discussion will just tar you with the same brush.

As Mr Ho. Says, leave the poster's negative energy for him to deal with.

Thanks Optimist and Chongmal. Sorry, didn't mean to air my dirty laundry. I was just trying to get clarification on how the ignore list works. The moderator has been helpful in a PM and cleared up. It's all good now.

[Mr Ho]

I understand your point. It is hard to continue to ignore a poster who has some kind of vendetta against one (I am assuming the poster is continually denigrating you or your posts). I would suggest that you are right not to reply. Other ISG members will hopefully see the person's posts and draw their own conclusions. Getting sucked into the discussion will just tar you with the same brush.

As Mr Ho. Says, leave the poster's negative energy for him to deal with.

I also add and think that some people take online forum so seriously. The forum is very enjoyable thing like lounging around virtually talking, chit chatting with mongers around globe, I think it is more fun to talk more freely not setting too much taboo because what we are discussing here like anal, pussy licking, rimjob, dining at why etc are taboo topic anyways.

For me any hentai discussion is welcome and I think being free to discuss whatever is cool thing about monger lounge and chat.

Personally, I do not mind if there is a guy discussing weather here, I won't tell him to go to weather forum, I would either ignore and pass the post through or reply when I feel like chatting about weather with him LOL.

We monger cannot discuss about what we do in public, so it is cool that we have lounger and chat where we can talk to fellow mongers from across the globe! I wish you all mongers good day or good evening where ever you mongers are!

[McAdonis]

Well, the combination of sightseeing and clubbing doesn't work well, you're right.

Most tourist attractions and guided-tours are daytime activities. On days where you have daytime activities planned, you can still arrive Sharks before 17.00 and enjoy 6-10 hours of clubbing. Nightlife in Germany starts late, so 23.00 until 05.00 on a Friday or Saturday night is a possibility. If you have a night-time activity planned, you can FKK from 14.00-22.00.

This assumes the activities are all one hour or less away away. Not full day excursions to Berlin or Bavaria.

A tourist on a seven day trip can on Day 2 and Day 5 do some daytime activities and on Day 3 go out drinking. Getting 7 days of FKKing its still possible. It's just that four of those days would be full 12-16 hours per day of FKKing. Three of those days will be truncated, maybe only 6-10 hours per day of FKKing. These hours can be adjusted if one needs more sleep or suffers from too much jet lag.

P6 as well as the nice sites within this amazing city. Same for Cologne. You arrive by train at the central station. The cathedral is two steps away and Reissdorf beer is served in Samya. That way you match the two most important features of cultural life in Cologne.

Samya is probably the only club where arriving at 23.00 and paying full-entry still makes sense. Since Samya is a night-club, you can definitely squeeze in daytime activities, dinner, and a little bit of nightlife before you begin FKKing activities. If a monger plans to do heavy drinking in Cologne city center on a either Friday or Saturday, they can wake up in the afternoon, drive to Michaelshoven tram stop (750 meters from Samya), park their rental car and get a round trip ticket to city center. They can eat dinner and drink beers at traditional Cologne brauhaus. And then be back at Samya to FKK from 23.00-05.00. Note, I am only allocating six hours of clubbing for Samya, because that place is ear-piercing loud during these late night hours. The benefit is that their entire shift of WGs for that day will be available until closing.

[Takedown]

There's always back and forth on these boards but there are 2 sides to every story.

[Tedesco]

It is hard to continue to ignore a poster who has some kind of vendetta against one (I am assuming the poster is continually denigrating you or your posts). I would suggest that you are right not to reply. Other ISG members.....own conclusions.

Same stuff is currently happening in a German speaking board. And this guy is suppported by another two guys. Unfortunately there is no "ignore" button to use.

[Tedesco]

My favorite place right now is Sharks. The problem is, if you want to do some touring outside the club there is not as much that I would like to see there.

Well, the combination of sightseeing and clubbing doesn't work well, you're right. In case you have accomodation in Darmstadt you may take the chance to make some walk inside the city (same for Frankfurt). But to be honest: people are thirsty for fun and therefore don't want to spend their time in a 2-hours city walk. Nonetheless I rmember an excellent time some years ago in Vienna enjoying the complete package of culture. P6 as well as the nice sites within this amazing city. Same for Cologne. You arrive by train at the central station. The cathedral is two steps away and Reissdorf beer is served in Samya. That way you match the two most important features of cultural life in Cologne.

[Kosher Kowboy]

I understand your point. It is hard to continue to ignore a poster who has some kind of vendetta against one (I am assuming the poster is continually denigrating you or your posts). I would suggest that you are right not to reply. Other ISG members will hopefully see the person's posts and draw their own conclusions. Getting sucked into the discussion will just tar you with the same brush.

As Mr Ho. Says, leave the poster's negative energy for him to deal with.

I am going to agree with the above and add in all my years on the net I have never once used the ignore feature. One reason is the old ' keep your enemies at your side' in the event of a stalker / vendetta so it is always in one's best interest IMHO to not ignore that poster as you want to see what they are up to. If someone else quotes their post and they are on ignore you can still see the quoted part unless this version of Vbulletin eliminated that so you may as well just see what they are up to. I suggest you not ignore the guy rather skip reading his posts and if one pops up you might want to see you still can. Report their posts if you feel the need.

Another reason not to ignore is if their behavior is as you describe it I would bet you anything the person possibly has dual handles, stalkers and multiple handles go hand in hand very often. There are very few reasons if any IMO that justifies multiple handles unless someone is hiding from their past for whatever reason and / or trying to skirt board rules. This stalker will find you or if he suspects you have him on ignore might try a multiple handle.

Take the high road and don't ignore them, be the better man, as we used to say here ' give the poster the rope to hang themselves'.

And they always do in time. Stalkers, those with vendettas and multiple log ins usually always fuck up eventually and reveal their previous handles they used to stalk others or whatever nefarious activities they were up to. Bad apples everywhere, best to leave them on the ground, let them rot and be aware of them rather than toss them in the garbage. My two cents.

Good luck.

[HungryStud101]

I am long time reader, first time poster. So firstly thank you to you all for the great info!

I am looking to plan a trip in early December, however can only really fit in one destination so trying to decide where to go to and to which club so was looking for some advice?

I would try one of the Mega-clubs in Hesse. My favorite place right now is Sharks. The problem is, if you want to do some touring outside the club there is not as much that I would like to see there. But if it the FKK you seek Frankfurt is the airport to fly in and out of and there are so many clubs. Read the links to reports of distinction thread and make your choice. Remember: When you walk in your an and they ask you are an old pro and veteran of many campaigns.

[Optimist]

When I put someone in the ignore list, I know I don't get to see that person's writings but is it not true from his side also? I had added one dude's name to my ignore list a few months ago, my first such addition. He was developing an unhealthy obsession with my comments, following me like a sick puppy and I felt it was better to sever that connection. Now, a friend/another ISG member informed me recently that this guy on my ignore list still keeps replying back to my comments. How is that possible? I would have thought we would be blind to each other's writings.

At least, this confirmed my initial view that I was right to add that loser to my ignore list. Why anyone would want to extend the dialog with someone that explicitly chose to ignore you is beyond me.

I understand your point. It is hard to continue to ignore a poster who has some kind of vendetta against one (I am assuming the poster is continually denigrating you or your posts). I would suggest that you are right not to reply. Other ISG members will hopefully see the person's posts and draw their own conclusions. Getting sucked into the discussion will just tar you with the same brush.

As Mr Ho. Says, leave the poster's negative energy for him to deal with.

[ExpatLover]

One thing I do not do is ask other for opinion on service because this is each their own as I got good service from girls who has reputation of giving bad service and also vice versa.

But I do ask about line up of clubs how beautiful they are and diversity, age range etc. As this is each their own, but it is more or less same direction as long as the man has fetish for fat girl or plastic monsters LOL.

Communication skill plays part in FKK and bit of charm as girls are human too and has preference, but in the end I never forget that girls are there to make money for living, so money is central core of good session and I am willing to buy into mild upsell, but never rip off price, then I prefer 50 euro 30 min session.

Never forget that many girls have a pimp or BF and they work for them.

[Sirioja]

I am long time reader, first time poster. So firstly thank you to you all for the great info!

I am looking to plan a trip in early December, however can only really fit in one destination so trying to decide where to go to and to which club so was looking for some advice?

I have previously been to Artemis both on Fri and Sat night (Friday was much better!) and had overall a good experience for a first time trip.

I prefer slightly younger 20-25 with pretty faces and quite enjoyed the large club feel of Artemis with lots of girls there. Also enjoyed the fact you could get some rest downstairs at Artemis in between sessions.

Where would you guys recommend to try next? Where is the best LU at the moment?

No competition, no upselling, from Thursday to Saturday, Globe Zurich with more than 50 girls.