Costa del Sol (Southern Coast) / Malaga

[Paul262]

Heading to Fuengirola in a few days and just wondering what's the current situation with Fuengirola port? Is it reopened? I couldn't find it advertised on the digital version of Sur In English? Also can anyone recommend any WG's in the fuengirola area?

[Pepe1976X]

I agree entirely on the ridiculous lack of commercial efficacy. During the lowest point of the recession I played golf at one of the top clubs where I'the always paid 120 per person for a round. Very expensive but top club. I got there one day with 3 fellow golfers to be told by the guy in the Pro shop that today the price was 200. I told him we'the leave it and asked why the massive increase. He said times were bad and there were only 4 players on the course so they "had to make it up". When I asked him why not reduce to 75 and market it as they'the get 50 players he looked at me like I'the lost my marbles. "Reduce?" he exclaimed as though I was crazy. I asked him how many players had paid the 200 and he said it was just those 4, none the day before! I tried to explain but he said reducing would devalue the club! Fabulous.

But I don't think this is the rationale at Scandalos. For whatever reason this spring saw an influx of ladies from the Dominican Republic and whilst there are undoubtedly one or two beauties (Mary at Fontana), many are "curvy". Several hit Scandalos. I think they are fairly cliquish and passive aggressive and upset the usual EE throng. So in part the strategy was to get rid of them. And hiking the price would make a quick punt for 220 euros too risky with one of these sharky curvy girls. Now they've told them flat out they cannot work there.

The second part of this strategy I think is wholly misconceived. If you think of the clubs in Madrid (this analysis doesn't work with SWs) you have Diana Plus (100 per hour), Factory Air 150-180 per hour depending on how you negotiate or Flowers about the same but after a 50 euro+ cab to get there and same back unless you take forever on PT. But THEN you have Vive and its crazy 240 euros per hour (was 220 but has increased now).

Hi PayForIt,

Another great contribution. Well written. This subject is extremely interesting as although we have a natural tendency to assume Clubs are like normal businesses. They may not be. Historically they have been money laundering opportunities so the real business model or motivation is hard to determine. On the subject of quality looks over quantity of WGs. The WG world of the 9 as I have written here before is unique. If they can entice their 9's from Viva Madrid to work in Malaga, 550,000 people, 6th largest city but low domestic average incomes! The 9's are never quiet, often picky and take the major share of income and punters compared to the 8's and 7's. Clubs are remembered by Punters primarily for the 9's not the mass of 6's and 7's so maybe this is the way forward for the Scandalos ans as AndaluzExpats says managing them is " like herding cats " then maybe it will be a lower cost operation. Business economics and business plans are such a fascinating subject especially for Puti Clubs. Could write forever on this subject!

[Pepe1976X]

OK must admit I am new in this as a swede.

Also newly divorced and for me was Estark like heaven, couldn't dream about so many ladies at one time. But I did the beginners mistake and did my choice in the first bar that impressed me with 10 OK girls. Didn't know about the disco where all the Girls was hiding but found out that I have to go back tomorrow for a second round and this time just take it easy and make a better choice. Didn't argue about the price 175 for 60 min with the Romanian girl Alina. Little fat ass but a tall girl with blonde hair and big boobs. Hopefully back tomorrow and see what the 9 point girls want for 60 min. 10 for a beer and 20 for a "drink" was not worth the price.

Hi Galaxie Swede,

Welcome to the wonderful world of Estark. A real eye opener for those who come from countries where the socialists have criminalised punters and heaven for those that have just been beaten up from the divorce courts. Yes you have committed basic beginners errors but you are not the first and won't be the last to do that. Alina is not a bad introduction to the scene you could have got really unlucky with your choice and E175 is expensive for that Club but again she could have really killed your wallet. Try to negotiate between E120 and E140 for an hour at Estark. Naturally as a senior member and a long time user of E92 I will say Read The Forum as there is lots and lots and lots of information on how to play the Club so you hopefully get more bang for your buck and a more pleasurable experience. Good luck with your future visits and looking forward to future reports, ideally with the SP's names and descriptions!

[LikeGirls]

I agree entirely on the ridiculous lack of commercial efficacy. During the lowest point of the recession I played golf at one of the top clubs where I'the always paid 120 per person for a round. Very expensive but top club. I got there one day with 3 fellow golfers to be told by the guy in the Pro shop that today the price was 200. I told him we'the leave it and asked why the massive increase. He said times were bad and there were only 4 players on the course so they "had to make it up". When I asked him why not reduce to 75 and market it as they'the get 50 players he looked at me like I'the lost my marbles. "Reduce?" he exclaimed as though I was crazy. I asked him how many players had paid the 200 and he said it was just those 4, none the day before! I tried to explain but he said reducing would devalue the club! Fabulous.

But I don't think this is the rationale at Scandalos. For whatever reason this spring saw an influx of ladies from the Dominican Republic and whilst there are undoubtedly one or two beauties (Mary at Fontana), many are "curvy". Several hit Scandalos. I think they are fairly cliquish and passive aggressive and upset the usual EE throng. So in part the strategy was to get rid of them. And hiking the price would make a quick punt for 220 euros too risky with one of these sharky curvy girls. Now they've told them flat out they cannot work there..

I totally agree with your views on Scandalos and the overall concept of raising prices when business is bad. This contradicts human nature. The best is to boycott all establishments which are pointlessly overpriced or which raise prices without a commensurate increases in quality. Others with more intelligence and business sense will fill in the void, even in Spain.

[LikeGirls]

Hey Likegirls,

I have been to Casablanca 3 times, which is under the same management. I found one attractive girl in July, but the last 2 times I found nothing I would rate higher than a 6/10. On both these occasions I just had a beer and left. An absolutely stunning villa which costs them 5000 a month to rent.

I will give Casa VIP a try next time time I am back in November. Casamasa always seems to have one really attractive girl, but at a higher cost - 150/30 , or 200/60 minutes.

Overall I have found the standard in the Coast a little poorer than I remember in subsequent years. If Scandalo managed to get some girls of similar standard to Vive Madrid at 220 an hour, I would venture back more often. Last time I was there 3 weeks ago, I found nothing that would justify that price.

I found a diamond on www.pasion.com recently that I mentioned in a recent post. Luna.

Pasion.com girls typically ask EUR50-80/ HR. The prices pretty much correspond to their quality and looks: EUR50 for 5-6/10 girls, EUR60 for 6-7/10 girls and so forth. Your suggestion to ask for pics via WhatsApp is good but they might just send you the same ones they've published in pasion.com. Some girls post photos with their phone numbers. This might be a further test. Yet another thing to look for is the number of hits the ad got, which is in the upper right hand corner of each ad. If there are huge number of hits (100,000-200,000), it is likely to be an institutional ad showing a variety of pics over time. Often Russians do this in Marbella. Avoid them. The real girls behind these ads look nothing like the pics. Malaga and Fuengirola are betters bets than Marbella because the volume and competition among girls is higher. Generally, avoid girls posting highly professional pics, with optimal lighting, etc.

A added problem with independents is that they might be unreliable and simply forget a date you made them just a day before. They all like to sleep late, so mornings almost never works.

Still, I kind of like the little adventure of contacting a new girl and seeing her for the first time when she opens the door for you.

I live in Marbella, so Malaga & Fuen are too far unless I'm travelling to the airport.

Girls in Puerto Banus clubs are a total rip off, asking for EUR 150-250 by girls who normally would go for EUR70 max.

[Galaxieswede]

OK must admit I am new in this as a swede.

Also newly divorced and for me was Estark like heaven, couldn't dream about so many ladies at one time. But I did the beginners mistake and did my choice in the first bar that impressed me with 10 OK girls. Didn't know about the disco where all the Girls was hiding but found out that I have to go back tomorrow for a second round and this time just take it easy and make a better choice. Didn't argue about the price 175 for 60 min with the Romanian girl Alina. Little fat ass but a tall girl with blonde hair and big boobs. Hopefully back tomorrow and see what the 9 point girls want for 60 min. 10 for a beer and 20 for a "drink" was not worth the price.

[PayForIt]

It would be interesting to know what's behind the Scandalos price hike. Anyone know what their business model is? Estark makes its crust by renting rooms and the bar take. One suspects Scandalos has seen a fall-off in revenue and is trying to make up the difference from the girls. This peculiarly Spanish response to declining turnover was discussed here some while ago. Business is bad, put your prices up and make it worse.

And there's little doubt the industry's been going through a lean patch. There just isn't the money in the Spanish working man's back pocket and that's where most of the "trade" comes from. Compounded by there being far fewer extranjeros waving their wads about. An effective 25% Sterling devaluation has put a distinct crimp in Brit style, for a start.

I agree entirely on the ridiculous lack of commercial efficacy. During the lowest point of the recession I played golf at one of the top clubs where I'the always paid €120 per person for a round. Very expensive but top club. I got there one day with 3 fellow golfers to be told by the guy in the Pro shop that today the price was €200. I told him we'the leave it and asked why the massive increase. He said times were bad and there were only 4 players on the course so they "had to make it up". When I asked him why not reduce to €75 and market it as they'the get 50 players he looked at me like I'the lost my marbles. "Reduce?" he exclaimed as though I was crazy. I asked him how many players had paid the €200 and he said it was just those 4, none the day before! I tried to explain but he said reducing would devalue the club! Fabulous.

But I don't think this is the rationale at Scandalos. For whatever reason this spring saw an influx of ladies from the Dominican Republic and whilst there are undoubtedly one or two beauties (Mary at Fontana), many are "curvy". Several hit Scandalos. I think they are fairly cliquish and passive aggressive and upset the usual EE throng. So in part the strategy was to get rid of them. And hiking the price would make a quick punt for 220 euros too risky with one of these sharky curvy girls. Now they've told them flat out they cannot work there.

The second part of this strategy I think is wholly misconceived. If you think of the clubs in Madrid (this analysis doesn't work with SWs) you have Diana Plus (100 per hour), Factory Air 150-180 per hour depending on how you negotiate or Flowers about the same but after a 50 euro+ cab to get there and same back unless you take forever on PT. But THEN you have Vive and its crazy 240 euros per hour (was 220 but has increased now). But it 100% works because although the rooms are poor, the level of girls in the LU, for me, is the best I've ever seen. And I've mongered for 30 years all over the world. I've not tried the even more expensive Pygmalion but must do so at some point. People BELIEVE that if you pay more you get better quality. Not always true and I've some amazing nights in Diana Plus. But not the point. At Diana or Factory you are going looking for that elusive 9/10 girl. At Vive there is one every 10 metres! So you are very unlikely to leave Vive without a punt. This "price point + quality = custom" equation works there. It is mirrored in many other locations. Milady Palace at 300€ per hour (and has been for 14 years) does not struggle. Not quite the same quality factor as Vive but still higher than the alternatives in Navy Bar, Glass Palace and elsewhere. Even in FKK land. Whilst Sharks / Oase / World / Mainhattan / Palace / Paradise / Sunshine (Frankfurt / Stuttgart / Munich) have 50€/30 minutes and often have great LUs but they fluctuate it is well known that the general LU at Globe in Zurich is excellent and does not fluctuate. Hence the 280 CHF per hour price.

So I believe Scandalos management has taken a decision to go out there as the quality club at that end of the coast and that you will get a great line up if you pay those prices. I believe this is risky because I have never seen more than 3 9/10 girls in the club at once. Lots of 8's which is not bad but not a lot of 9's. That will need to change for this to work.

I'm back over in a few weeks and I've decided I'm heading back to Scandalos one night to check out whether this policy has worked. When it was first introduced Melissa told me she had not seen a lack of punters in the club. Unless the quality of the offering has markedly improved (which I doubt) that will no longer be the case. I will not be shy of telling them why I've abandoned the club to go to Estark 92.

One final thing: it is interesting that the clubs that have adopted this quality line up / high cost model rarely have the best facilities! The rooms in Glass Palace Estepona wipe the floor with Scandalos. The girls maintaining their own rooms at Diana Plus provide better facility than the rooms at Vive. That one with the red plastic mattress up against a mirror downstairs in Vive is terrible and I refuse to spend 240€ to have an hour in it. The rooms at Miladys are ok but tired. The rooms at Globe are nothing compared to the best rooms at Mainhattan though the LU is weaker in the latter. Maybe these "top" clubs don't believe they need to spend bucks on the facilities as they can simply rely upon the quality of LU.

So. That's my two cents on the Scandalos strategy. I don't believe it will work because the LU quality has never been THAT great, and the location is awful. Miladys get away with it because of its close proximity to Banus and Marbella and the attendant wealth. I really doubt that a club on an industrial estate will carry this off. As its an option I hope it doesn't kill it off. But one thing is for sure. The Spanish never revert to plan be if involves price reduction. So I fear for the future of the club. Will report back when I've seen it with my own eyes.

[MagicSheep74]

I've been going to Casa Vip in central Marbella for years; total perhaps 50 x. Have always gotten excellent service. Girls are 6-9/10. Have had some real stunners. Prices are EUR80/30 minutes. I heard Casa Blanca, across the N340 from Puerto Banus, is under the same management but haven't been there yet. Girl turnover in both places is high, which is good if you like variety.

Recently I've tried many girls from pasion.com. Chances are 50/50 on getting a good girl. You never know who is going to open the door when you finally arrange a date. I had great experiences but most are just OK. Many use totally false pics. Look for those pics which look like they've been shot with a cellphone, and prefer girls who post numerous of these pics.

Hey Likegirls,

I have been to Casablanca 3 times, which is under the same management. I found one attractive girl in July, but the last 2 times I found nothing I would rate higher than a 6/10. On both these occasions I just had a beer and left. An absolutely stunning villa which costs them 5000 a month to rent.

I will give Casa VIP a try next time time I am back in November. Casamasa always seems to have one really attractive girl, but at a higher cost - 150/30 , or 200/60 minutes.

Overall I have found the standard in the Coast a little poorer than I remember in subsequent years. If Scandalo managed to get some girls of similar standard to Vive Madrid at 220 an hour, I would venture back more often. Last time I was there 3 weeks ago, I found nothing that would justify that price.

I found a diamond on www.pasion.com recently that I mentioned in a recent post. Luna.

[Pepe1976X]

I've been going to Casa Vip in central Marbella for years; total perhaps 50 x. Have always gotten excellent service. Girls are 6-9/10. Have had some real stunners. Prices are EUR80/30 minutes. I heard Casa Blanca, across the N340 from Puerto Banus, is under the same management but haven't been there yet. Girl turnover in both places is high, which is good if you like variety.

Recently I've tried many girls from pasion.com. Chances are 50/50 on getting a good girl. You never know who is going to open the door when you finally arrange a date. I had great experiences but most are just OK. Many use totally false pics. Look for those pics which look like they've been shot with a cellphone, and prefer girls who post numerous of these pics.

Hi LikeGirls,

Thanks for the post. See both of those establishments advertise heavily on all the electronic formats for Putas. What sort of prices have you been paying and do the Putas in the ads actually work there or are they just repeat pics from over the years of Putas no longer working there?

Yes Pasion and the similar Electronic sites are riddled with Bait & S. Pics but your suggestions are a good way to be surer of seeing the Puta in the pics. You can always ask for pics to be sent to you via Whatsapp!

[LikeGirls]

I've been going to Casa Vip in central Marbella for years; total perhaps 50 x. Have always gotten excellent service. Girls are 6-9/10. Have had some real stunners. Prices are EUR80/30 minutes. I heard Casa Blanca, across the N340 from Puerto Banus, is under the same management but haven't been there yet. Girl turnover in both places is high, which is good if you like variety.

Recently I've tried many girls from pasion.com. Chances are 50/50 on getting a good girl. You never know who is going to open the door when you finally arrange a date. I had great experiences but most are just OK. Many use totally false pics. Look for those pics which look like they've been shot with a cellphone, and prefer girls who post numerous of these pics.

[Andalus Expat]

You've got admire the proactive management at Scandalos! They sure do shake things up there to keep it fresh. It will also mean some putas jumping on the train to Carvajal to increase the numbers at Estark. Can't wait.

Thanks for the report PayForIt.

It would be interesting to know what's behind the Scandalos price hike. Anyone know what their business model is? Estark makes its crust by renting rooms and the bar take. One suspects Scandalos has seen a fall-off in revenue and is trying to make up the difference from the girls. This peculiarly Spanish response to declining turnover was discussed here some while ago. Business is bad, put your prices up and make it worse.

And there's little doubt the industry's been going through a lean patch. There just isn't the money in the Spanish working man's back pocket and that's where most of the "trade" comes from. Compounded by there being far fewer extranjeros waving their wads about. An effective 25% Sterling devaluation has put a distinct crimp in Brit style, for a start. Take one of the independents, I know. Her preferred work pattern has always been midday to nine in the evening, weekdays only. I now see her running autorenew ads on Pasion.com until after midnight, Sundays. She actually rang me, late one night last week. Viable excuse but fairly obviously hoping for a booking. (Which she got. She's irresistible) After a strenuous couple of hours fueled by half a bottle of vodka she was telling me that most of the work she's been getting has been 20€/20 minutes "polvo express". And that's a girl who's good looking, an extremely versatile range of services and has been here several years and built herself up an extensive book of regulars. Nevertheless, I expect those who frequent them have noticed most of the apartment girls have hiked their rates in the last year or so. 25% seems common. Latin logic.

One who hasn't, just left. Lorena'a Colombiana, advertises as 39 and that's probably about ball-park. Nice tanned bod with an ample plastic rack, could belong to a xica ten years younger. Much into affectionate kissing is Lorena and generally a fun lay. Exhaustive list of services, including enthusiastic but snug anal and a natural CIM would rival a Dyson. When she's working here it's generally at the apartment on the corner of Calle Selinas, LOS Boliches, known by regular puta fanciers. And a very economical 60€/ hour for the vanilla menu, with excursions extra. Outcalls, obviously a little dearer. Likes cava and CMP, if you're hosting and want to get the best out of her.

[Pepe1976X]

This thread has gone very quiet. I'm beginning to think the new pricing structure at Scandalos will kill it (now 220/ hour). Shame. Its been a great club. I was told in Estark that Scandalos has had a "clean out" of girls. Anyone fat has been told they cannot work there now. Clearly an attempt to raise the standard to justify the 220.

You've got admire the proactive management at Scandalos! They sure do shake things up there to keep it fresh. It will also mean some putas jumping on the train to Carvajal to increase the numbers at Estark. Can't wait.

Thanks for the report PayForIt.

[PayForIt]

Ventured back to Estark 92 on Thursday. Quickly met a girl I'the never seen before though she maintains she has been a regular for several years. Anna Maria. Blonde. Has a Marilyn Monroe style haircut blonde and slim. Fantastic natural Dee cups. Very intelligent. After a quick round of the club I rejected my normal Alicia and some others and had 2 hours with Anna. Excellent service and a bright young lady with business sense. I'the repeat.

Bored the next day tried Nikkys massage in Puerto Banus. B2 B massage 130 and girl (Sophia was my choice from 6) will offer FS for extra 100 and would not negotiate. So pricey but the service was excellent and I'the have been happy to choose 3 of the 6 from the LU.

This thread has gone very quiet. I'm beginning to think the new pricing structure at Scandalos will kill it (now 220/ hour). Shame. Its been a great club. I was told in Estark that Scandalos has had a "clean out" of girls. Anyone fat has been told they cannot work there now. Clearly an attempt to raise the standard to justify the 220.

[Andalus Expat]

Feeling rather bored early week, I popped out for a pint of milk and accidentally slipped my penis into 2 prostitutes. It goes as follow.

Day 1- http://www.pasion.com/contactos-muje...-527122855.htm.

This little minx took me by complete surprise, Luna, 21,155 cm, Pretty Face, beautiful body, Dominican. 50 euro for 30 minutes.

She was playful, fun and sexy as hell. I offered her 300 euro for 9 hours, 3 pm to 12 pm and she accepted. We hit the bars nearby In fuengirola for 1 or 2 hours, then back to her apartment she shared with another girl in Fuengirola. Nothing was off limits, Anal, CIM etc etc. Had a great time, my first positive pasion.com experience..

Well done, Mr Sheep. You've found the mulata goldseam. She is an absolute delight, isn't she? Been around under a several names for a year or so. (Often 2 or 3 of them at the same time.) Lovely little body & allows unrestricted access to all its delights. She also tells me she's up for threesomes. FMF or MFM. The 300 for the day's interesting. I've been considering booking her for the night, match her with one of the other girls. Gives me a basis for negotiation.

[MagicSheep74]

Feeling rather bored early week, I popped out for a pint of milk and accidentally slipped my penis into 2 prostitutes. It goes as follow.

Day 1- http://www.pasion.com/contactos-muje...-527122855.htm.

This little minx took me by complete surprise, Luna, 21,155 cm, Pretty Face, beautiful body, Dominican. 50 euro for 30 minutes.

She was playful, fun and sexy as hell. I offered her 300 euro for 9 hours, 3 pm to 12 pm and she accepted. We hit the bars nearby In fuengirola for 1 or 2 hours, then back to her apartment she shared with another girl in Fuengirola. Nothing was off limits, Anal, CIM etc etc. Had a great time, my first positive pasion.com experience.

Day 1- Still. After Fuengirola I heads to the old. Casamasa in Marbella. Now known as - www.hotelmarbellaromano.es. Arrived about midnight, has 5 girls to choose from. I would say they were an average of 6 to 7/10 , but out of the corner of my eye I spotted South American walking past in the extremely tight dress with a spectacular body. I requested her to come over and her name was Jessica was Colombia, she had almost blond hair with a body to die for. Took her 200 one hour, ouch, then headed to there luxurious rooms for a game of hide the sausage into 2 of her 3 holes. Good girls, great service. All in all an expensive but great day.

Day 2- Scandalo. Did not see anyone worth the money, so had my Heineken and left after a hour. Maybe choose a bad night.

Take it easy.