Costa del Sol (Southern Coast) / Malaga

[Paul262]

How's the scene around guadalhorce these days? What streets are best and is there many SW around at about 9 pm?

[MagicSheep74]

Spent 3 weeks in Fuengirola and spent most of my mongering time at an Asian house on Asturias street. Most of my encounters were average to better than average except with Lulu that was very good. The price for a half hour is 50 euros which includes BBBJ and kissing and for an extra 20 euros BBFS. This was the fee for all the girls there, The only girl that is still there that I met as I am writing this report is Lulu. They rotate the girls every few weeks to different cities in Spain.

I also visited another Asian house once on Monaguillo street and the service was pretty good with the prices similar to Asturias.

The only non Asian house I visited was on Triana street and the price was only 30 euros but the girl and the service was not even worth that. Her name was Sara.

All these places were found on the pasion.com website.

Thanks for the report Mr P Bee, I was thinking about giving this place a try on the way home at the end of this month. I'll look out for Lulu.

Cheers Sheep.

[Pee Bee]

Spent 3 weeks in Fuengirola and spent most of my mongering time at an Asian house on Asturias street. Most of my encounters were average to better than average except with Lulu that was very good. The price for a half hour is 50 euros which includes BBBJ and kissing and for an extra 20 euros BBFS. This was the fee for all the girls there, The only girl that is still there that I met as I am writing this report is Lulu. They rotate the girls every few weeks to different cities in Spain.

I also visited another Asian house once on Monaguillo street and the service was pretty good with the prices similar to Asturias.

The only non Asian house I visited was on Triana street and the price was only 30 euros but the girl and the service was not even worth that. Her name was Sara.

All these places were found on the pasion.com website.

[Pepe1976X]

In which case, to the club, the quality of the putas isn't immediately relevant. They're not fucking them, are they?. Bearing in mind the above, they're in the business of selling drinks to punters & renting rooms to girls. Whether any guys actually get taken upstairs to those rooms doesn't interest them. The only issues of importance is whether the girls entice punters to come to the club and buy drinks and that all the rooms are rented.

The stuff about the drug gangs is highly amusing. Drug importers who go around letting it be known they're drug importers are drug importers doing long stretches. In any case, I've a good idea where people in that line of business go. And it's not Scandalos. Why would they? There's a whole other side to this coast that you'll never encounter. Where the people with serious money go play. Where they can put a grand's worth of charlie on the table, if you ask for it. And a matched pair of Russian supermodels to help you snort it. They don't go to meat racks on industrial estates.

Of course the the quality of WG is relevant. As mentioned here by PayForIt the most successful Clubs with the 9's most commonly have poor rooms and facilities. It is the quality of looks of the Puta that determine how much a Club charges and how busy they are. If WG numbers was important Sirenas in Benalmadena would still trade. Loads of Putas that could really bang well, cheap drinks, good music, good location, none above a 7, but no customers and out of business. If the hefty 7's are not attracting customers to the Club and the WGs not earning then they can't pay the Club any rent. 25% of zero is a big fat 0. And keeping a Club full of 7's increases your costs but not your income let alone profit. Although as mentioned that may not be the main goal of the club, to generate profit just be a vehicle to pass money through!

The amusement is reciprocal. Tony Montana and Don Pablo are not on the Costas. The Moroccan hash gangs are as well as plenty of other Middle Easterners with money. Those smuggling gangs are not after Milfs and crazy looking Mulatas in Fuengirola Privess and lower end villas. They pass on their ill gotten gains at Scandalos on their fantasy 23 yrs old blonde's with dress size 8's whilst boasting to their gang members sharing a Shish pipe.

[Gargano19]

Thanks for the response. I meant Malaga the city.

When you say "Malaga" do you mean the city or the province?

And, yes, outcalls are both available & popular. The city's particularly good because there's an enormous choice of girls in a small area, so you won't be rushed for hefty taxi bills. In fact, quite a lot of the girls quote taxi included (But probably walk. But they do that anyway).

Delivered rather than dining out can be the best policy. Negates the whole bait-and-switch scam. If the girl arrives doesn't match up with the photos, she can be told to fuck off. As it's her time and trouble being wasted in the first place, she's less likely to try it on. Likewise with services. If they're offered, they'll more likely be delivered. And they don't disappear for a chat with their mates on your paid time. She's on your turf and you're the one calling the shots. Just don't leave anything about likely to be found absent after she's left.

[MagicSheep74]

A matched pair of Russian supermodels to help you snort it. They don't go to meat racks on industrial estates.

Andalus Expat,

Can you PM this location, Grand of Charlie and Russian Supermodels sounds like a great night out to me. Or is there a risk of being murdered?

Cheers.

[TeddyBears]

It is, of course, a cash business. Which is why it would be good for laundering money. The grubby stuff is indiscernible from the kosher as it passes through the books.

But what business model Scandalos is running still hasn't been answered. No-one ever asked the girls? Buggered if I'll drive to Guadalhorce & schmooze Romanians to do the research for you. And it is very much germane to this discussion. I suspect it's the same as 92's because the split system is actually illegal in Spain. Or so my abogado tells me. Yes, the apartments, casas & even some of the clubs out in the boonies do exactly that. But no-one's going to be owning up to it. A helpful lawyer will tell you to run a set of books showing the girls paying room and board and any money you hold on behalf of the girls for tricks being paid to them.

At Scandalo I know for a fact that the girls pay 25€ each day just for keeping their spot at the club even when they're not working. If they choose to live at the club when working they pay additional 50€ if I remember correct. When you buy the girls a drink or any other alcohol for that matter, the girl gets 50% commission. So naturally the girls wants the punters to buy ridiculous expensive drinks, LOL.

The drinks at Scandalo varies in price so I advice you to choose how much you want to pay for it, if you let the girl choose then it will cost at least 40€.

With the crazy prices currently at Scandalo it becomes more and more important to control how much you want to spend. Before I would very rarely choose to go for media hora but with the new price structure that is much more appealing then before.

[Andalus Expat]

How's the scene in Malaga? I know mongering is quite popular in Madrid and Barcelona but is it also true for Malaga?

Like does outcall option is popular here or clubbing is the only way?

When you say "Malaga" do you mean the city or the province?

And, yes, outcalls are both available & popular. The city's particularly good because there's an enormous choice of girls in a small area, so you won't be rushed for hefty taxi bills. In fact, quite a lot of the girls quote taxi included (But probably walk. But they do that anyway).

Delivered rather than dining out can be the best policy. Negates the whole bait-and-switch scam. If the girl arrives doesn't match up with the photos, she can be told to fuck off. As it's her time and trouble being wasted in the first place, she's less likely to try it on. Likewise with services. If they're offered, they'll more likely be delivered. And they don't disappear for a chat with their mates on your paid time. She's on your turf and you're the one calling the shots. Just don't leave anything about likely to be found absent after she's left.

[Andalus Expat]

As far as I can recall it is a cashflow business. Runs totally on cash with ATMs in the premises to make sure no cards are used for electronic payment. Cash for the WGs which the Club takes it's cut from and I can never recall till receipts for drinks purchased at the bar with cash! Getting rid of non-money producing hefty WGs that become an overhead and certainly don't improve the scenery is always going to be an easy decision. Does not matter how marvellous their conversations skills in the are!

It is, of course, a cash business. Which is why it would be good for laundering money. The grubby stuff is indiscernible from the kosher as it passes through the books.

But what business model Scandalos is running still hasn't been answered. No-one ever asked the girls? Buggered if I'll drive to Guadalhorce & schmooze Romanians to do the research for you. And it is very much germane to this discussion. I suspect it's the same as 92's because the split system is actually illegal in Spain. Or so my abogado tells me. Yes, the apartments, casas & even some of the clubs out in the boonies do exactly that. But no-one's going to be owning up to it. A helpful lawyer will tell you to run a set of books showing the girls paying room and board and any money you hold on behalf of the girls for tricks being paid to them.

In which case, to the club, the quality of the putas isn't immediately relevant. They're not fucking them, are they?. Bearing in mind the above, they're in the business of selling drinks to punters & renting rooms to girls. Whether any guys actually get taken upstairs to those rooms doesn't interest them. The only issues of importance is whether the girls entice punters to come to the club and buy drinks and that all the rooms are rented.

The stuff about the drug gangs is highly amusing. Drug importers who go around letting it be known they're drug importers are drug importers doing long stretches. In any case, I've a good idea where people in that line of business go. And it's not Scandalos. Why would they? There's a whole other side to this coast that you'll never encounter. Where the people with serious money go play. Where they can put a grand's worth of charlie on the table, if you ask for it. And a matched pair of Russian supermodels to help you snort it. They don't go to meat racks on industrial estates.

[Galaxieswede]

Hi Galaxie Swede,

Welcome to the wonderful world of Estark. A real eye opener for those who come from countries where the socialists have criminalised punters and heaven for those that have just been beaten up from the divorce courts. Yes you have committed basic beginners errors but you are not the first and won't be the last to do that. Alina is not a bad introduction to the scene you could have got really unlucky with your choice and E175 is expensive for that Club but again she could have really killed your wallet. Try to negotiate between E120 and E140 for an hour at Estark. Naturally as a senior member and a long time user of E92 I will say Read The Forum as there is lots and lots and lots of information on how to play the Club so you hopefully get more bang for your buck and a more pleasurable experience. Good luck with your future visits and looking forward to future reports, ideally with the SP's names and descriptions!

Thank you for welcome me.

Got no time for a new visit on Wednesday but with the cheapflights (100) from Sweden I bought new tickets in November. And February. Back with comments after next visit.

[Pepe1976X]

The quote above is shorter than Pay4's post, that is worth reading as a whole.

I have been very, very confused regarding the direction of p4 p, not only in Spain, but on the global scene.

So much that I'm thinking about bringing a woman with me on my global travels. I pay for the expenses, she makes me happy.

For others who crave constant change, this is not an option.

But for those who are tired about all the BS going on nowdays in the p4 p, bringin sand to the desert can actually be a good idea (and I am not talking about a wife of course!

JD.

Hi JoshDales,

Sounds like a "heads gone" from your statement. There is nothing wrong with the current position of Spanish Putaring! We may see storms on the horizon but to date we are still basking in glorious sunshine. Bringing a Puta to Spain would be insanity! Madrid, Barca and Southern Spain have enough good options to last you ten life times. Negotiating and validation of both the Puta and services being offered are always going to take effort but anything that you spend your money on in life requires an amount of precaution. Imagine when I bought my 70 ft Ocean going cruiser. Had I just sent a cheque in the post at the beginning of construction I would probably be in a dingy now! Read The Forum over the past 2 years and you will see all is well here. Just bring lots of money LOL.

[Pepe1976X]

Actually, running readies through the dry cleaner won't make that much difference to the way a business is run. What you'll be looking for is cash flow................

How Scandalos farms its xicas, I haven't a clue. Anyone know? Room rent and a cut from the bar take, like 92? Or are they splitting on a percentage, right down the line?

As for your perceived nines, you need to understand that the club's nines will be different from yours. For a start, the metric is different. The clubs are basically run for the Spanish blokes ..................

So whether your nines are good for the club and good for themselves is an interesting question. The goldmine for the club (and herself) may be the hefty one you've never spoken to because she's usually roosting on a stool amongst a gaggle of the locals. They certainly score as decoration, but once they've been fucked, they've been fucked, no?.

As far as I can recall it is a cashflow business. Runs totally on cash with ATMs in the premises to make sure no cards are used for electronic payment. Cash for the WGs which the Club takes it's cut from and I can never recall till receipts for drinks purchased at the bar with cash! Getting rid of non-money producing hefty WGs that become an overhead and certainly don't improve the scenery is always going to be an easy decision. Does not matter how marvellous their conversations skills in the are!

Scandalos clientel has always been a mix of Euroland wealthy tourists who have previous knowledge of the Club, conveniently located next to a huge international airport. Moroccan and Spanish hash smuggling gangs want to bang a pretty blonde 23 year old with a dress size 8. No shortage of cash amongst that grouping Can always remember Scandalos being busy and empty of blondes and a Brasilian mulata commented " where are all the blonde Putas. Oh the drug dealers must be in tonight." Some wealthier Spanish locals or from other regions of Spain. The Spanish grouping you mention are more likely bargain basement privee and villa customers wanting to add a bit of coke snorting to their purchase. !

The Dominican Puta theory. Never bought into that one either!

[Gargano19]

How's the scene in Malaga? I know mongering is quite popular in Madrid and Barcelona but is it also true for Malaga?

Like does outcall option is popular here or clubbing is the only way?

[Andalus Expat]

... we have a natural tendency to assume Clubs are like normal businesses. They may not be. Historically they have been money laundering opportunities so the real business model or motivation is hard to determine. On the subject of quality looks over quantity of WGs. The WG world of the 9 as I have written here before is unique. If they can entice their 9's from Viva Madrid to work in Malaga, 550,000 people, 6th largest city but low domestic average incomes! The 9's are never quiet, often picky and take the major share of income and punters compared to the 8's and 7's. Clubs are remembered by Punters primarily for the 9's not the mass of 6's and 7's so maybe this is the way forward for the Scandalos...

Actually, running readies through the dry cleaner won't make that much difference to the way a business is run. What you'll be looking for is cash flow. The more money flowing through the business, the easier it is to conceal the wads being fed into the stream from the Louis Vuitton hand luggage. It comes out Persil, of course, as declarable, bankable profit. Which is what these clubs are run for. Not for providing randy males with a fulfilling sexual experience. On that score, they really couldn't give a monkey's.

How Scandalos farms its xicas, I haven't a clue. Anyone know? Room rent and a cut from the bar take, like 92? Or are they splitting on a percentage, right down the line?

As for your perceived nines, you need to understand that the club's nines will be different from yours. For a start, the metric is different. The clubs are basically run for the Spanish blokes. The amount you lot bring in is insignificant. Your 9 will not be a Spanish 9. Spanish guys like their women at least a dress size larger. And they're a totally different sort of punter. You blokes, when you come down here, are like kids in a toyshop. Wow! Look at all that totty strutting about without much clothes on! And they actually let you fuck them! It sure ain't Grimsby, is it! Take it from me, if you live here, you can get tired of seeing half naked women. Spanish blokes don't go to clubs with an itch that must be scratched. They can get that done better at an apartment for half the cost. Typically, they go to clubs to socialise and get their egos stroked. (And get away from the fat ugly cow they married). It's not unusual to see them drop a couple hundred euros at the bar. The xica that's latched on to them is working to get that bar bill up and get her rake. So, for the club, the nines are the ones can separate the marks from their wads. Spanish girls are favourites because they're naturally sympatico. Hispanics are a lower rung on the evolutionary scale but they share a common culture. Eastern Europeans have novelty value because they run to a lot of blondes. Brasilenas rate better than a dog but lower than a horse. Whether someone gets taken upstairs and fucked is not high on the list of anyone's priorities.

That said, you extranjeros can be the icing on the cake for the girls because you're easy work. Blow in your ear a couple of times and then lead you by your dick. Half hour and your done and dusted and she can get back to smarting Spaniards. But she's never going to make a living out of you because there aren't enough of you and you'll be gone tomorrow. The Spaniard will be back next Friday.

So whether your nines are good for the club and good for themselves is an interesting question. The goldmine for the club (and herself) may be the hefty one you've never spoken to because she's usually roosting on a stool amongst a gaggle of the locals. They certainly score as decoration, but once they've been fucked, they've been fucked, no?

With the above in mind, I'm not persuaded by PayForIt's theory about overpadded Dominicanas. If clubs don't want particular girls there, they don't need to mess about with pricing policy. They just give them the elbow. More likely just a reflection of the constant churn. Any club will prefer having a bar full of munters than a bar short of girls. The club can still make money out of the girls, even if they're not making it out of the punters. And getting a straight answer out of any working girl about the state of play is like pulling teeth. You're asking them to weaken their bargaining position. I base my assessments on being somewhat in the opposite direction from most of you guys. I've a couple of girls been providing a tantric massage service at the house for the last couple of years and I regularly have putas staying and working here. Just at the moment I could fill the place with them. But I don't fancy having to feed them because they certainly won't be paying their keep. And for Pepe's benefit, it's vaselined cats it's like trying to herd.

A tip of the hat to LikeGirls over in Marbella. Another Brit got a life sentence here, with no remission? Drop me a PM some time and maybe we can compare notes. If you're exploring Pasion, I find keeping a record of phone numbers helps. I log them in the phone's contact file along with name, nationality, age etc. After a time you work out there's apartment phones. Often 3 or more. Get used for girls passing through. And another clue is that the encargadas often write the ads. So they tend to use the same mangled Spanish for all their ads. From there, experience quickly tells you which apartments have the good girls and which have the bait-and-switch rubbish.

[Josh Dales]

I agree entirely on the ridiculous lack of commercial efficacy. During the lowest point of the recession I played golf at one of the top clubs where I'the always paid 120 per person for a round. Very expensive but top club. I got there one day with 3 fellow golfers to be told by the guy in the Pro shop that today the price was 200. I told him we'the leave it and asked why the massive increase. He said times were bad and there were only 4 players on the course so they "had to make it up". When I asked him why not reduce to 75 and market it as they'the get 50 players he looked at me like I'the lost my marbles. "Reduce?" he exclaimed as though I was crazy. I asked him how many players had paid the 200 and he said it was just those 4, none the day before! I tried to explain but he said reducing would devalue the club! Fabulous.
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So I believe Scandalos management has taken a decision to go out there as the quality club at that end of the coast and that you will get a great line up if you pay those prices. I believe this is risky because I have never seen more than 3 9/10 girls in the club at once. Lots of 8's which is not bad but not a lot of 9's. That will need to change for this to work.

I'm back over in a few weeks and I've decided I'm heading back to Scandalos one night to check out whether this policy has worked. When it was first introduced Melissa told me she had not seen a lack of punters in the club. Unless the quality of the offering has markedly improved (which I doubt) that will no longer be the case. I will not be shy of telling them why I've abandoned the club to go to Estark 92.

One final thing: it is interesting that the clubs that have adopted this quality line up / high cost model rarely have the best facilities! The rooms in Glass Palace Estepona wipe the floor with Scandalos. The girls maintaining their own rooms at Diana Plus provide better facility than the rooms at Vive. That one with the red plastic mattress up against a mirror downstairs in Vive is terrible and I refuse to spend 240 to have an hour in it. The rooms at Miladys are ok but tired. The rooms at Globe are nothing compared to the best rooms at Mainhattan though the LU is weaker in the latter. Maybe these "top" clubs don't believe they need to spend bucks on the facilities as they can simply rely upon the quality of LU.

So. That's my two cents on the Scandalos strategy. I don't believe it will work because the LU quality has never been THAT great, and the location is awful. Miladys get away with it because of its close proximity to Banus and Marbella and the attendant wealth. I really doubt that a club on an industrial estate will carry this off. As its an option I hope it doesn't kill it off. But one thing is for sure. The Spanish never revert to plan be if involves price reduction. So I fear for the future of the club. Will report back when I've seen it with my own eyes.

The quote above is shorter than Pay4's post, that is worth reading as a whole.

I have been very, very confused regarding the direction of p4 p, not only in Spain, but on the global scene.

So much that I'm thinking about bringing a woman with me on my global travels. I pay for the expenses, she makes me happy.

For others who crave constant change, this is not an option.

But for those who are tired about all the BS going on nowdays in the p4 p, bringin sand to the desert can actually be a good idea (and I am not talking about a wife of course!

JD.