Bangkok Reports

[Crocodilexp]

I was just in HK, Macau, Singapore, CGK and BKK. The Wanchai bar scene was dreadful comprised of amazingly low quality, fat, past their prime import girls (mostly Pinays) hoping for large money deposits. I found the Chinese 141 girly scene much better, although quality was far from cheap ie slightly more expensive at every price point than the BKK escort scene.

Great comparison post, it's an interesting topic. Wanchai bars are a dying scene for expats set in their western ways. Sex with streetwalkers can be had in Hong Kong for as low as 200 HKD which is 850 baht (though more typically 300 HKD), and yes, that's 2018 prices. There are quite a few along Temple St market and Shanghai St. The sessions are in nearby buildings (often cramped and run down, but HK rooms are expensive) and the service is most often basic, but with a bit of chemistry it could be surprisingly decent (for me, it's about 50:50 chance of basic vs good). As for 141's, while HK island is expensive (600 HKD), in areas such as Sham Shui Po, you can easily find 141's for 400 HKD or so, a great value considering other prices in the city.

As for Jakarta: I really like Jakarta girls and its nightlife, but again quality does come at a significant price.

Jakarta has a few widely scattered sex venues, but I just can't bring myself to 1-2 million IDR on a wham-bam within mafia-controlled premises (like at Malio or former Alexis). In Indonesia, a million IDR is a huge amount of money, more than the weekly earnings for the majority of the locals. Sure, the girls might be good looking, but service and attitude is too inconsistent for the price. Moreover, the places are too obviously mafia-run and tightly controlled, and the girl is processing 5-15 sausages per day, so the chance of any semi-genuine connection or even convincingly faked good vibes is way lower than in Bangkok, where girls are mostly free, and get less mileage. Even if you magically liked each other, she's not going to go to your hotel or stick around for longer than the venue times the session. That type of thing is fine for 400 k IDR (1000 baht) in Travel or Classic (though service is abysmal), but for me, not ok for 3-5 times the money.

I haven't been to Macau, but I think the market is anomalous due to gambling. The customers there are extremely price elastic and don't give a shit on how much money they burn, as long as they're having a good time. After burning a $10 k for nothing (gambling it away, for the thrillz), dropping $300-$500 for a fuck seems like a great value. Other scenes, especially those geared mainly towards the locals, are usually way more price sensitive.

My point to you is prices are up everywhere in major Asian metropolitan destinations

Not in the local, low-end and midrange scenes. You can easily get laid in HK for 200-400 HKD (800-1600 baht), in KL for 50-200 MYR (400-1500 baht), in Jakarta for 400 IDR (900 baht). Bangkok does not compare favorably at all.

despite my strong positive feelings for Jakarta girls, I still find BKK to be overall a better place to punt long term

Unfortunately, I have to agree. For a casual visitor, Bangkok or Pattaya are better sex scenes than almost all other cities in Asia, due to accessibility, the type and variety of venues, the quality of service as well as the general atmosphere (freedom of choice, not being stuck in some mafia-run meet market or very seedy local-only spot). Sadly, this is true despite Thailand sex scene being much worse than 10 years ago, with prices 2-3 times higher, far worse selection and lower fun factor. I do wonder why the paid sex scene is seemingly on the decline everywhere (in Asia and Europe, at least).

For a resident expat, though, Thailand is a shadow of its former self. The sex scene is getting worse every month, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel of Thai women in terms of looks. Even if it's still technically better than other places, the taste of disappointment is difficult to wash away. Going rates are now high enough that even though I can afford them, I always wonder if I should just jerk off and do something more fun with my money, and the answer is usually yes (with the exception of a few venues like Tulip or Snow White).

[Member #4698]

Travel and Classic; still a good gal for what the equivalent of less than 1 k Baht. What preserves the scene is there are very few tourists.

Maybe, sometimes, once in a while. The problem I have with Travel & Classic is once you find a good looking gal you still don't know what kind of service you are going to receive in the room. It is a crap shoot therefor consistency of decent service is a real problem in these two establishments.

So rather than waste time (time is money) and valuable jism I prefer places like Emporium, a mid level bordello, where you can find attractive girls and a more consistent high level of service. Prices start at Emporium at 900,000 idr (2000 baht) for regular girls and then go up to 1,200,000 idr (2700 baht) for the VIP girls. I wish I could report differently, but on every one of my visits the cute girls were in the VIP section and I noticed that most of the Indonesian customers felt the same way. As I posted earlier 3 of my 4 VIP Emporium girls were memorable and absolutely repeat worthy. Sadly, I only repeated with one of them.

Top end Malio Club and Malioboro Lounge have couch girls too, some of whom are very attractive. Over the years I have had some great sessions with these girls and only 1 mediocre session that I can recall. That is a high level of consistency. Malio & Malioboro prices start at 900,000 idr (2000 baht), then 1,100,000 idr (2500 baht) for preferred Indonesian couch girls, then rise to 1,700,000 idr (3800 baht) for Malioboro dancers, 2,000,000 idr (4500 baht) for some Malio Dancers to 3,000,000 idr (6800 baht) for other Malio Dancers. Don't ask me what the difference in Malio dancers is. So clearly one can see the two lines of distinction: couch girls are priced similar to BKK oily massage girls and the dancers are priced similar to BKK soapy sideline girls. I have left out the Imports which are priced at 2,200,000 idr (5000 baht). While in Jakarta I took a sexy, Asiatic looking, Kazak Malioboro girl upstairs one night and had a great time with her.

My conclusion is Jakarta prices are very similar to BKK prices. One might think there is higher quality of girls and service in Jakarta. Maybe, but I think there are great girls in both cities. You just have to look around. Travel & Classic girls are priced at the low end. This does not mean there are not some attractive girls there giving good service. There are. Just as there are some attractive girls giving good service on Soi 6 in Pattaya, just not that many to suit my taste. 555. But I am glad there is a Classic Hotel and a Soi 6 even though I rarely partake. I enjoy window shopping on Soi 6 and believe me I am ready to make a move should I spot a looker. I spotted one on my last visit, but another punter got to her seconds before me. HA HA. The rest of the time I did not see any other girls in her league so I found what I was looking for on Walking Street. All's well that ends well.

[Goatscrot]

I was just in HK, Macau, Singapore, CGK and BKK. The Wanchai bar scene was dreadful comprised of amazingly low quality, fat, past their prime import girls (mostly Pinays) hoping for large money deposits. I found the Chinese 141 girly scene much better, although quality was far from cheap ie slightly more expensive at every price point than the BKK escort scene.

As for Jakarta: I really like Jakarta girls and its nightlife, but again quality does come at a significant price. This is NOT a Cheap Town although it was 15 to 20 years ago. I won't mention (ha ha) what a session with a Malio Club dancer goes for nowadays, but it is comparable in price to sideline La Belle girls in BKK although I do think the quality is higher in Malio. Of course Malio couch girls cost significantly less than the dancers as do the girls at the Emporium Hotel and other bordellos catering, as you point out, to mostly local customers. The price at most high level to medium level Jakarta bordellos ranges from slightly more than to slightly less than the price at oily massage parlors in BKK. Again, I think the quality is higher in Jakarta and on most nights I was the only farang in these establishments. But I do not like the cheap scene in Jakarta. Quality of service as well as girl quality is a major problem in the cheap, cheap places. You get what you pay for was never more true than in the Jakarta nightlife scene.

Lastly, and I only mention this because this scene is comprised of mostly Chinese, albeit, non local customers, Macau: where prices are the highest in Asia. Up 35% from 2016 when I was last there and yet the top saunas had no lack of price elastic customers. Kind of makes me think there is no limit to how high prices will eventually go in BKK or Jakarta not to mention Pattaya or Phnom Penh and AC.

My point to you is prices are up everywhere in major Asian metropolitan destinations and despite my strong positive feelings for Jakarta girls, I still find BKK to be overall a better place to punt long term. Feel free to disagree with me, but if I were to choose anywhere to live in metropolitan Asia, it would still be BKK. I think I would be very unhappy living full time in Jakarta unless I had a great, high paying job with an expense account. The only reason I will ever go back to HK is to catch the shortest duration flight back to east coast USA. Even Singapore is better than HK in terms of nightlife possibilities IMHO.

Travel and Classic; still a good gal for what the equivalent of less than 1 k Baht. I would not want to live in Jakarta. What preserves the scene is there are very few tourists.

[Syzygies]

I have been trying this website for a few weeks. I would say it is a lot of work for not much result.

Well prices are around 1500-2000 thb for a short time, far from the 3-4.000 in Cowboy, so it is rather cheap. Yes, but girls seem very picky and prefer not to deal with foreigner customer. I know because I have tried to contact same girls on Line with a Caucasian profile picture, and with a seemingly Thai. Much more answers in the latter case.

Yesterday that girl stood up on me.

https://finfanfan.com/post/minnee

She probably found it very funny to have me waiting in front of the hotel and then block me.

Freelance hookers are notoriously not reliable, but here there is one more difficulty.

Where is your Hotel? Might be too much effort for her to go there. Says she is located in Soi Lasalle (Lasaan) in Bering area (end of Sukhumvit BTS line or did it get extended again already?). Seems to say she accepts work in Bering, Samrong and Theparak areas.

Incidentally she says "No kissing, no ass, no raw, of any type" which suggests she would do CBJ most likely. Her Thai is a little difficult as includes obvious spelling errors but not always clear what it should read. There is a phrase "suck raw up" suggesting perhaps BBBJ is on after all, so her specs even seem contradictory at times. It is not good Thai. Her education level maybe poor.
"Not outside. No go room" Does it mean she won't go to your room, or using her room is not possible? Not very clear really. Presumably at least means not outside her area. I would guess you have to have a room close by or use her prescribed room , and that will cost you extra. She also wants to see a real pic of the customer. Her body and face type does suit to me. This a model type of look for me and has no baby. I would go to her location if she assured me she likes Farang and not scared of dick. I would not be keen to pay first though in case of scam. 1700 for 90 mins with 2 pops sounds like a good option though. Cost to get there and back could be fairly cheap if go on the BTS to Bering and motorcycle from there. Taxi both ways could cost almost 400 baht more from lower Sukhumvit. For some reason she gives her Kasigorn account number like to transfer money to her. I guess customer can pay this way instead of cash. Ha ha. The web site states clearly that you should not transfer money under any circumstances. (scam alert)

I would even offer her a bonus for extra good service, e.g. GFE style.

You could well have come unstuck due to communication issues, but I can't know that for sure. I would certainly make a voice call with the girl and chat briefly to gauge attitudes.

Getting a fuck in Bangkok is like shooting fish in a barrel if you go to places catering for Farang. If you have no Thai language, girls with low English ability may think too much effort, or they may think Farangs have painful cocks and want to fuck for 90 minutes (ha ha). I want to fuck at least 60.

So I think Fin Fan Fan is not really suited to the average Farang punter. However if you want all the hard work, go for it. For me, too much effort defeats the cheapness of the girl, and a low price usually = "quickie" in my experience.

I have not bothered to try Fin Fan Fan as yet, and that is despite my ability to read and write in Thai messaging.

If anyone has found it productive, would be interesting. I think only for those with a lot of experience.

[Lefeu]

I was just in HK, Macau, Singapore, CGK and BKK. The Wanchai bar scene was dreadful comprised of amazingly low quality, fat, past their prime import girls (mostly Pinays) hoping for large money deposits...

That was my reaction as well, when I first mongered in Wanchai, 6/7 years ago. Those Pinays, speaking decent English, targeted mostly foreign mongers and asked for an arm and a leg. One can go to the Philippines and get better quality at a fraction of the cost. I found the walk-in Chinese places in HK to be a much better deal for a quickie.

[Member #4698]

But now you see what the locals are paying and what quality they are getting. We are really being "had" in the scene that is directed at foreigners. That is why HK and Jakarta are still ok. When you are fishing in the same pond as the locals, it is a different and better game.

I was just in HK, Macau, Singapore, CGK and BKK. The Wanchai bar scene was dreadful comprised of amazingly low quality, fat, past their prime import girls (mostly Pinays) hoping for large money deposits. I found the Chinese 141 girly scene much better, although quality was far from cheap ie slightly more expensive at every price point than the BKK escort scene.

As for Jakarta: I really like Jakarta girls and its nightlife, but again quality does come at a significant price. This is NOT a Cheap Town although it was 15 to 20 years ago. I won't mention (ha ha) what a session with a Malio Club dancer goes for nowadays, but it is comparable in price to sideline La Belle girls in BKK although I do think the quality is higher in Malio. Of course Malio couch girls cost significantly less than the dancers as do the girls at the Emporium Hotel and other bordellos catering, as you point out, to mostly local customers. The price at most high level to medium level Jakarta bordellos ranges from slightly more than to slightly less than the price at oily massage parlors in BKK. Again, I think the quality is higher in Jakarta and on most nights I was the only farang in these establishments. But I do not like the cheap scene in Jakarta. Quality of service as well as girl quality is a major problem in the cheap, cheap places. You get what you pay for was never more true than in the Jakarta nightlife scene.

Lastly, and I only mention this because this scene is comprised of mostly Chinese, albeit, non local customers, Macau: where prices are the highest in Asia. Up 35% from 2016 when I was last there and yet the top saunas had no lack of price elastic customers. Kind of makes me think there is no limit to how high prices will eventually go in BKK or Jakarta not to mention Pattaya or Phnom Penh and AC.

My point to you is prices are up everywhere in major Asian metropolitan destinations and despite my strong positive feelings for Jakarta girls, I still find BKK to be overall a better place to punt long term. Feel free to disagree with me, but if I were to choose anywhere to live in metropolitan Asia, it would still be BKK. I think I would be very unhappy living full time in Jakarta unless I had a great, high paying job with an expense account. The only reason I will ever go back to HK is to catch the shortest duration flight back to east coast USA. Even Singapore is better than HK in terms of nightlife possibilities IMHO.

[Goatscrot]

I have been trying this website for a few weeks. I would say it is a lot of work for not much result.

Well prices are around 1500-2000 thb for a short time, far from the 3-4.000 in Cowboy, so it is rather cheap. Yes, but girls seem very picky and prefer not to deal with foreigner customer. I know because I have tried to contact same girls on Line with a Caucasian profile picture, and with a seemingly Thai. Much more answers in the latter case.

Yesterday that girl stood up on me.

https://finfanfan.com/post/minnee

She probably found it very funny to have me waiting in front of the hotel and then block me.

Freelance hookers are notoriously not reliable, but here there is one more difficulty.

But now you see what the locals are paying and what quality they are getting. We are really being "had" in the scene that is directed at foreigners. That is why HK and Jakarta are still ok. When you are fishing in the same pond as the locals, it is a different and better game.

[Syzygies]

Not that it matters, but the mamasan I tip is very fuckable herself (I would definitely shag her). If a girl you like is sitting with another guy, you can ask the mamasan to go speak to her in Thai and tell her to come to you after she is done with that guy. Otherwise, there is a chance another guy will immediately grab her the second she steps away from that guy. Or like I mentioned, she could possibly pull a girl from the back room that you haven't even seen (the bars where they have shows sometimes have the hottest girls who do the shows sitting in the back room half the time). There are times tipping the mamasan is beneficial.

Sure, if the girl is available and in eye sight, you can offer to buy her a drink. It's not always that simple.

Yes absolutely. Important to make a girl aware she is wanted by you so you can be next if her customer decides to leave. Much easier for girls when they know who wants them, except for the "rot fai laay kabuan chon gun", this quaint Thai expression means a crash of two or more trains, and refers to multiple guys all trying to get to same super hot girl.

If the girl is hot enough, "there are the quick and the losers". I used to almost grab one CH favourite as she entered the front door in civies, since I had a fair idea what time she normally arrived. I was well aware of the danger of letting some other guy get to her first. Fortunately she liked me well enough and was a screamer on the bed, but she probably had many guys that she liked too. In other cases you utilise staff to help notify a girl, if she is failing to look in your direction. If a girl does glance at me, it is pretty easy to give her the nod that she is wanted, or use a hand movement to indicate a drink for her. If knows you, she will have a fair idea if BF is likely too. On entry in civies, girls often do not take time to survey which customers are present, like they sheepishly dash to the change area, due to the lateness of arrival, or embarrassed to be over dressed perhaps.

Strangely, some girls even seem to get a bit stressed out when there are multiple guys all known to be wanting to take her. It would seem more stressful to me to have a lack of customers. Its clear she has to disappoint some of them, and she best decide which guy to choose and make her apologies to the others.

One Suzie W girl really appreciated me meeting her at 6.30PM for ST as a regular thing, since it did not cause clashes with her other customers. I did not even have to enter the bar mostly so saved on drinks. It increased her chance to be available greatly. She habitually did multiple STs per evening and rarely wanted to do a LT for obvious reasons, unless money offered was high and the LT was commencing at close to 2AM, or was a very valued customer.

[Banana Boi]

Not that it matters, but the mamasan I tip is very fuckable herself (I would definitely shag her).

Yes of course that matters! No problem buying LD for hot staff. I used to always buy drinks for a gogo waitress and no one else at that gogo bar because the waitress was the only hot girl there. I just treated her like a gogo girl who never had to go on stage. Great DFK and fantastic tits that I had access to when no one was looking.

[Syzygies]

I also have one waitress I buy drinks for at another gogo (Crazy House) simply because she brings me the most in demand girls and it facilitates things. That bar gets crowded and it's tough to get to the girls before other guys do at times.

Yes it makes sense to reward with drink or tip, those that give you special service and assistance. That will make them keen to serve well every time. I used to have my special waitress at CH too (S1 Aem slim with big tits but face a bit ordinary), but she left quite some time back now. Even had a Line contact so she could warn me if any of my old favourite "disappeared" girls might show up. This saved me attending at th wrong time. She now runs a minimart in another province (or is just a worker if she exaggerated the story). I am not keen on waitresses that come pleading for a drink when they have not yet done anything to deserve it though. So just ignore them.

It is fatal to reward anyone that you want to come pestering you, with a tip, e.g. the "fat old" at Billboard. Can't stand her. Better to ignore her.

A favourite waitress or mamasan does not need to be hot at all. After all, we are not going to fuck them. I had a really nice waitress at twisters (and knew her from a previous bar) who was quite fat and ordinary looking. However excellent to get the lowdown on certain girls and gossip. Old raspy voice LB Mamasan Taay from Suzie W (now Tilac) was always a good source of gossip for the whole of Soi Cowboy. She also knew my girl type, slim thighs with gap, slim face, high firm peachy ass, no sag bags and no surgeries preferred. Sometimes my waitresses can advice on which girls might have the right character to suit me, and also like Farang cock.

[Smoothy]

I guess my line of thought is why not just buy the girl a lady drink and talk to the pretty girl you like instead of buying a drink or tipping an old fat mamasan.

Not that it matters, but the mamasan I tip is very fuckable herself (I would definitely shag her). If a girl you like is sitting with another guy, you can ask the mamasan to go speak to her in Thai and tell her to come to you after she is done with that guy. Otherwise, there is a chance another guy will immediately grab her the second she steps away from that guy. Or like I mentioned, she could possibly pull a girl from the back room that you haven't even seen (the bars where they have shows sometimes have the hottest girls who do the shows sitting in the back room half the time). There are times tipping the mamasan is beneficial.

Sure, if the girl is available and in eye sight, you can offer to buy her a drink. It's not always that simple.

[Banana Boi]

At what's up agogo last trip it helped me take a lady I was hot after. The night before a Japanese guy beat me to the punch but upon returning the next day Mamasan made it happen even though the lady didn't seem to want to go. Usually I would of stopped it there but mamasan insisted it would be fun. She was right!

How do you know that the girl didn't seem to want to go with you? Said no when you offered a drink? Rolled her eyes when you made eye contact with her? I guess my line of thought is why not just buy the girl a lady drink and talk to the pretty girl you like instead of buying a drink or tipping an old fat mamasan.

Now your other example makes much more sense to me. If you receive 500 or 1000 baht off a barfine or you get midnight rate at 11 pm then yes that mamasan deserves a drink or a 100-200 baht tip.

[ThatGuy68]

Bingo. That's the way I do it also. There are only a couple of mamasans who take care of me and I return the favor. The ones that do nothing for me get nothing from me.

Yeah this seems to be the approach I will take in the future. I definitely won't be buying lady drinks for mamasan at Ginza. I might try my luck at a new gogo. Windmill and what's up will always get my appreciation shown.

[ThatGuy68]

Most bars I wouldn't consider tipping the mamasan, but there is one exception for me. There is one gogo where I do tip the mamasan. I've known her for about 15 years now and she is well aware of which type of girls I like and what I want them to do for me in bed. Tipping her has paid off over the years. As soon as I walk in, she does what she can to get me the best girl in the place who meets my requirements in bed. Many times she has pulled a girl for me who is the best girl in the place (and many times the girl was in the back room while I was there rather than in the bar with the rest of the girls). When smoking hot girls like that do come out from the back room, they are normally jumped immediately. There have been times she has recommended a girl where I liked a different girl better, but that has been very rare.

I also have one waitress I buy drinks for at another gogo (Crazy House) simply because she brings me the most in demand girls and it facilitates things. That bar gets crowded and it's tough to get to the girls before other guys do at times.

I've had some success with tipping / buying drink for Mamasan in my two trips. I did tip / LD a couple waitresses and felt it was throwing money away. It didn't do much for me except make them a bit more helpful but ultimately just got me bugged for more drinks.

With Mamasan I think 6/10 bars it helped make good things happen and a couple of which probably wouldn't of happened.

At what's up agogo last trip it helped me take a lady I was hot after. The night before a Japanese guy beat me to the punch but upon returning the next day Mamasan made it happen even though the lady didn't seem to want to go. Usually I would of stopped it there but mamasan insisted it would be fun. She was right! It was in my top two experiences with sexy gogo girls that often produced mediocre performance. I did catch the girl looking through my backpack upon exiting bathroom but I was too educated thanks to many of you for that trick to work (everything of value in safe).

With windmill mamasans it seemed to make things a little more awesome every visit and prices became a little more flexible here. She always gives me a warm welcome upon entering. Even on my return trip she remembered me. Tipping Mamasan at windmill also produced the best 3 some I ever had or think I will ever have. She picked the two based on what I was wanting and it was un-fn-believable. Teamwork! Teamwork! I miss those girls. Not big on rimming but having one young sexy Thai giving a BBBJ and the other rimming really put me on top of the world. I think that's where I'm heading for NYE. I must have a similar experience. This time I'm doing LT for both. I'm going to end this year and bring in the new one right.

Lastly, on one of my first days in Thailand I spent a night in BKK on soi cowboy. I had two bangs from there. Crazy house and either Suzy wong's or a bar in between those two. Sorry I hit 5 or 6 that night and being a newbie I was in awe of the situation. At Suzies or one of the bars in between I tried barfining one of the dancers. She was a spinner but with a look to her that wasn't fragile. Looked like she could screw a guys brains out without blinking a eye. The waitress said she don't barfine. Bummer! As I was scoping out the others mamasan came over to introduce herself and I bought her a LD. She sat beside me and we talked and I bought her another. She ended up coming back with the dancer. Thinking they thought I was the LD ATM I said no I want to barfine. I find another lady that go. Mamasan said she go with you. She was far from a starfish. Great performance on her part. Crazy house I never even seen a mamasan. The two girls I took for 3 some pointed to a guy on the dancefloor that was just dancing like crazy. He ended up being the papasan. We had a disagreement on price for 2 ladies probably because I was a newbie getting confused but the 3 some wasn't nothing to write home about and no teamwork involved.

Were the great performers the product of the connection I made to mamasans? Or was it just coincidence? It certainly got me 2 ladies that I was hot after and seemed like weren't going to happen.

With that being said Dart and I went into Ginza before and after the Japanese guy took my eye candy temporarily at what's up. We bought mamasan and ladies drinks and maybe went a bit overboard. Mamasan loved us! After I lost my eye candy I went back for a old windmill girl that I had on previous trip that now worked at Ginza. This was a horrible decision. Not only was she not the same girl in bed. The connection to mamasan obviously had 0 impact even going overboard with it.

I believe in my limited experience it helps more times than not. Just getting a shot at aerobics with the two stunners was worth it to me even if I included all the money thrown away at the others. I obviously wouldn't argue this point against a seasoned vet but for 120 or 150 or 180 baht I believe it's worth a shot to see where it can take you.

[Mdemde]

I met her back in 2012, via ThaiFriendly, we dated a few times then spent a bit of time together. Then she dumped me! LOL.

She was 22, and I met her in Bangkok, on our first date we met at a branch of Swensens, the ice-cream parlor.

Anyway, here's a few pics.

(I'll try and post some more in a day or two.).