Jakarta

[Papae Noel]

Goferring and Banana Boi. Big thanks for your help.

True, alot of questions. Am looking forward to payback with a decent report in February.

Yea, this Bahasa is definitely the easiest language so far. Done 2 lessons online. So, just have to stick with it. Maybe will try online 1 on 1 lessons.

Thanks for reminding me about the hotels own in room massage. Just checked, and they clearly have this on offer at the Four Points by Sheraton.

Board shorts? Not exactly my style! Although I imagine Bermuda style is not unacceptable, unless in nice hotel bar such as LE Meridien. My wardrobe is more than adequate in any case.

Great tip on using Google maps while taking the taxi. Been doing this in Bangkok. Drivers seem to respect that the passenger is paying attention. I don't mind keeping close to my hotel or the most nearby mall until 9 pm, which should keep me clear of the worst traffic.

Now, for BJ or FS. I never opt for a BJ if FS is available. Just some random website where D'S Place was reported to have potential for a BJ, if it even got to that point between a customer and one of the girls working in the bar.

Now reading back to page 60 on the Jakarta section, and a few pages of the General section. Should be all sorted.

[Goferring]

First trip to Indonesia in February 2019.
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Decided to get away from Thailand (Bangkok and Pattaya). I am sometimes a little tired of the geocentric thinking, but do like the fairly advanced infrastructure, the BTS and MTS, availability of western food, great shopping malls, good English, and more. But love Large Breasts! Finding the large breasted girl in Thailand is not so easy, as they usually have quite the large legs and ass to go with the big tits. Love Pinay girls, and a petite Pinay can be wonderful. But if I find a Pinay with big tits, she will be chunky, or just simply a chubby girl.

I have read some 20 pages of ISG, and definitely appreciate the contributions. Have just 3 nights to spend in Jakarta, then onto Bangkok for 4 more nights. I am already booked at 4 Points by Sheraton.

Thanks for any help.

Many girls in Jakarta are from areas known for having nice tits. They are not hard to find. However, you are right in saying that they often come with bigger framed bodies. The exceptions can be stunning!!

Bahasa is a very easy language to learn. Essentially it has no gender or tenses to worry about and the letters are only ever pronounced one way. Learning a few words is always very well received with the girls and general society. Having said that, if you are only there for a couple of days or weeks I would just concentrate on the polite terms like please, thank you, where is, how much etc. It sounds corny but being able to compliment is also very well received. "You're very pretty" for example.

For limited time spas and FL bars are point and shoot. Malls are an option but be very weary of insulting the wrong person.

Indonesia is one of the larger drug markets in the world and is a real problem in some areas. That's why punishments can be very severe. A significant number of working girls partake in some form. My advice is to stay well clear of anything to do with it.

Smoothy is the best to comment on BlokM and various establishments. My view is that BlokM is well past it's prime but many still have a good time there.

Smart casual dress is acceptable everywhere. Leave the Bintang singlet, boardshorts and sandals at home. But don't forget your wallet!! 😁.

Cash can be changed easily in the expat areas but I just use my debit card in the many ATMs scattered around. I wouldn't recommend having a lot of cash in your room or in your pockets.

In call is readily available online or often from your hotels in room massage. Bait and switch is an issue with agencies and private providers select the most flattering photos. Use video or questioning to determine what you are really getting.

I note you have asked a lot of questions in your previous posts so be sure to leave a report of your experiences when you do visit.

Enjoy, G.

[Banana Boi]

4. Blok M. Have enjoyed so much debauchery in Pattaya and Bangkok, (and many years in Brasil). Read a little about D's Place where they used to have semi private room where you can get a BJ (maybe more). Reported to be the only BJ bar in Jakarta. Any comments on D'S Place or other Blok M bars? So many reports of how much it has declined, but need to see for myself..

You're in for a huge disappointment if you are led to believe that Blok M is anything close to Pattaya. For a 3 day trip Blok M is a huge pass. So many better areas in Jakarta than Blok M. Kota Indah (Grand LA, Royal, MTR, New Sari Ayu, Starmoon, etc) and Kelapa Gading (King's Cross, Sumo Spa, MTR, and a bunch more) are the 2 areas I would go to with the 3rd day at Malio just to see it. Before hitting these 3 areas you can go to Travel or Classic at around 5 pm each day.

Not sure what you mean by BJ bars for all that I have named you can get a BJ only instead of FS if that is your desire. Clarify with the mamasan or girl first since some Indo girls aren't huge fans of BJs.

Many other places and areas not talked about much on ISG like Ruko Robinson, Berlian / Katinka, Emporium, New Medika and many spas in West Jakarta, 1001, Kimochi spas, etc. All worth a look but certainly not on a 3 day trip. Bear in mind Jakarta traffic can be bad in rush hour. So bad that taxi drivers will refuse driving out to West Jakarta during rush hour.

It's 5 shots minimum at Malio Club. At least that's what I was told but my girl was hot enough to buy 5 shots so I wasn't too concerned about the price. She downed the 'shots' in what felt like under 10 minutes. I'd buy the same girl 5 shots again if I spotted her again. Super busty, young, and fun but a major hustler. No need for that when I have my regular girls at other bars. You can buy single shots for girls at Malioboro.

One important travel note that isn't mentioned often enough for tourists is to ALWAYS try taking a Bluebird taxi when one is available. They will use meters and not try charging you extra on a set rate. Make sure they are aware you are using Google maps or know the direction they are driving because even Bluebird taxis have bad drivers who try to take the long route or get you stuck in traffic to make more money.

AFAIK ATM's only allow a maximum of 3 million rupiah per transaction. Some less so check the machine. This may be fine for a 3 night stay but a PITA if you are staying for weeks and having to pay international transaction fees every couple of days.

[Papae Noel]

First trip to Indonesia in February 2019.

Decided to get away from Thailand (Bangkok and Pattaya). I am sometimes a little tired of the geocentric thinking, but do like the fairly advanced infrastructure, the BTS and MTS, availability of western food, great shopping malls, good English, and more. But love Large Breasts! Finding the large breasted girl in Thailand is not so easy, as they usually have quite the large legs and ass to go with the big tits. Love Pinay girls, and a petite Pinay can be wonderful. But if I find a Pinay with big tits, she will be chunky, or just simply a chubby girl.

I have read some 20 pages of ISG, and definitely appreciate the contributions. Have just 3 nights to spend in Jakarta, then onto Bangkok for 4 more nights. I am already booked at 4 Points by Sheraton.

1. Learning Bahasa - 15 minutes a day with Babbel, to learn at least the basics, not only for hobbying, but just basic survival. Any tips?

2. No online friendships yet. If I fail to make any before my trip, is it a reasonable plan to hunt at the shopping mall? I really don't imagine doing this, but I occassionally read of foreign guys doing this in the Philippines, and thought that Indonesia might be similar. Should I save my power (and limited time) for the bars and spas?

3. Seems that with the severe punishment against drug dealers, there would be very low illicit drug usage, so am surprised to read about drug dealers, whether Nigerian, or locals. My real concern of course is just to avoid any girls that take drugs. Is overall drug usage lower in Indonesia compared to Philippines or Thailand?

4. Blok M. Have enjoyed so much debauchery in Pattaya and Bangkok, (and many years in Brasil). Read a little about D's Place where they used to have semi private room where you can get a BJ (maybe more). Reported to be the only BJ bar in Jakarta. Any comments on D'S Place or other Blok M bars? So many reports of how much it has declined, but need to see for myself.

5. Is it at Malio that has some topless girls dancing? Nude dancers have not been allowed for a few years now, but I have read that at Malio the girls wear see thru tops, but g strings are not see thru. From random website. The girls usually walk around and ask you to buy them shots for 50 k so you can touch their boobs and ass. They'll be gone after 30 seconds though, unless you really open your pocket and agree to buy at least 5 shots. - accurate, or does each girl vary on how much she will play and perhaps hoping you will take her for ST?

6. Dress code for LE Meridien, BATS, and CJ'S? Is Bermuda shorts and button down shirt or polo shirt OK? When is a good time for the free lance bars? Better to go there, and then to Blok M, or go to Blok M, and then to the freelance bar?

7. Where should I change money? Any exchange booths that are so common in Thailand? Near Four Points by Sheraton? Generally, an exchange booth at the airport will offer a lower rate. Or just use my ATM card?

8. I read of Aquarius Massage (Blok M) in a blog. Does it still exist?

9. Any reviews for Orchadz Spa? How does it compare to the Travel Hotel, or Classic? -Hotel Orchardz, 6th floor Jl. Industri Raya 8, Gunung Sahari, behind Sheraton Hotel Gurung Sahari Orchadz Hotel, located near Mangga Dua, is home to Grand Boutique Spa, which has the reputation of being one of the rare places in Jakarta with clean / full body massages (the girl massages your body with her own body. Hotel Orchardz, 6th FL Jl. Industri Raya 8, Gunung Sahari, behind Sheraton Hotel Gurung Sahari. Old info said on Tuesday, girls are topless (I am doubting this). Where are they topless? In waiting salon?

10. Incall massage? Is WeChat possible to get full service massage? How to avoid bait and switch on WeChat?

Thanks for any help.

[Banana Boi]

I do tip the girls at the massage places (where you can't see the girls, just pick numbers )at times who work the front desk and suggest good numbers for me. I tell them if they give me a really good girl, I will give them a 50k tip. It doesn't always work, but many times it does. The times I don't tell them I will give them a tip, the chances of them picking a good one for me are slight. I give them the tip after the session, not before, because the girl has to be good all around or they don't get the tip.

Brilliant! Will definitely do this at Kimochi Mabes and other spas next time.

4. 30 pm No entry fee although I saw the ladies at the entrance / reception change a fee to the three Chinese men who were in front of me.

I've never seen anyone charged for entry upon entrance, Asian or Farang.

[Kodja]

Each time I return to Jakarta I tell myself I won't bother visiting Kartika massage as it's it getting old and tired and the woman are mostly overweight, old and unattractive. I first went there many years and have some great memories as well as great experiences there. The truth is that the women there can really service you well if you pick the right one.

On my recent visit to Jakarta I had a free afternoon and thought I'd grab a massage just after 1:00 PM. The full naked body water slide massage offered at Kartika came to mind so I headed up there from my hotel. Only 10 minutes away. Before I entered the lane where Kartika is located I stopped to buy a snack for lunch at the Suisse bakery at the front on the main road. I recognized one of my past ladies from Kartika buying food so I introduced myself to her and called her by her name. She remembered me from my last visit there just over a year ago and said she was about to start her shift. I said I'd be down in a short time and request her for massage.

It was fortunate I thought, she was nice and fresh starting her shift so I entered Kartika and immediately took her upstairs. Paid Rp370 K upfront.

She gave me really good service in all aspects. Very friendly, chatty in a good way and her performance was excellent.

I'd guess she is late 20's, tall. About 165 cm, not overweight at all. She was not unattractive but wasn't gorgeous either.

I tipped her well and once again the thought crossed my mind, would I return to this old and tired place? Probably yes. I can't help myself!

[Smoothy]

Well even in Thailand things are changing soon as India is in booming stage and more men from the second populous country venturing first time.

How is that going to change things? The ones coming for the first time are the worst ones.

[Smoothy]

(3) Is it a good idea to tip the Mamasan as soon as you enter (to keep her away)? If yes, is 100 K a "decent" tip OR is it too high/low?

100 k would be a huge tip for a mamasan. I would only give them that much if they somehow just pulled the catch of the century for me and I had not seen her until the mamasan brought her over. I find that it's not necessary to ever tip a mamasan in Jakarta. I tip them sometimes in Bangkok, but I don't do it in Jakarta. However, I do tip the girls at the massage places (where you can't see the girls, just pick numbers )at times who work the front desk and suggest good numbers for me. I tell them if they give me a really good girl, I will give them a 50k tip. It doesn't always work, but many times it does. The times I don't tell them I will give them a tip, the chances of them picking a good one for me are slight. I give them the tip after the session, not before, because the girl has to be good all around or they don't get the tip.

[Manfield04]

I visited Classic Terminal 2 on a Thursday at around 4. 30 pm No entry fee although I saw the ladies at the entrance / reception change a fee to the three Chinese men who were in front of me. I was not allowed to take my bottle of water. I was given a wrist band.

Inside, there were five mamasans but three groups of girls wearing green, red and grey dress. There were a total of around twenty girls. One mamasan wanted to offer me a green dressed girl. So she called two girls but wanted me to take both. I told her to wait to allow me to make my mind. The girls return to their seats.

Another mamasan called three different red dressed girls. Again, I let her know that I will call her as soon as a girl pleases me.

Non of the mamasan bothered me for another ten minutes. Then I saw a thin tall girl wearing red dress. I just waived one mamasan. It was not her girl. So, the mamasan called the right mamasan who called the girl. Her name was Sella.

I paid the usual IDR 365,000. 00.

We went downstairs where we were guided by two hostesses and another two stewards.

Usual routine: I showered but she came in to clean me. She showered. Then we did it in different positions. No kissing. She put listerine on some tissue paper to clean my nipples and penis before sucking. I didn't try DATY although there was no bad smell. She cooperated nicely. I came when she was doing cowboy. After the deed she cleaned me. I showered then she showered. We got dressed and walked upstairs together. She asked for a tip. I gave her IDR 50,000. 00. But I gave her the tip. No word exchanged.

I then went to the cashier who removed the wrist band and gave me a receipt to be shown at the entrance. I collected my water bottle which was still there and left. Overall a nice experience but not extraordinary. There are better options outside.

[Offshore Swell]

Thanks for posting your experience.

(1) I am puzzled about the role of these Mamasans. In other words, we can (and do) select our own girls. It is our choice, not the Mamasans.
Why have them in the first place? For those familiar with Thermae in Bangkok, there are NO Mamasans, and it works great.

(2) Just curious, how the Mamasan is compensated? Do they earn a fixed % from what the girl earns?
If they earn a commission from the girls earnings, then it explains their aggression.

(3) Is it a good idea to tip the Mamasan as soon as you enter (to keep her away)? If yes, is 100 K a "decent" tip OR is it too high/low? As already covered here.
Thanks again,
~BKKguru

It is not a good idea to tip the mama's. Unless they are providing you with some kind of value. Constantly pestering you with girls is not providing any value and a sharp "Itu saya yang pilih, bukan kamu" "It is me that chooses, not you" will slow them down but some can be persistent. Once they know you they will be better but if you are new they will try it on.

The mamas get a portion of the fee. Of the cost of a girl at Classic, she would get 150 000, the Mama not sure but think 10 or 20,000, it isn't that much. 50 000 is at the lower end of the scale as far as tips go to the girls but if it is CBJ then they really can't be expecting much more.

A good mama can look after you, but it takes a while for them to know you. The only other thing OS will not stand is the mamas forcing a girl who clearly does not want to session with you to do so.

[Kodja]

I have no problems saying no but what I don't like is when a mamasan brings you a girl you actually think is attractive but you literally just finished a session 5 minutes ago. I always tell the girl I just finished and will take her later but I think the girls have heard that a million times so it doesn't matter if it's the truth. Usually by the time I'm ready again in 30 minutes the girl I wanted is long gone and I usually find another girl before the one I wanted returns.

What I don't like is when I have a girl sitting with me that I have already said no to and am pondering what else I can find but she still remains there (by my side) for whatever reason and I see a mamasan taking a really attractive girl to another table close by. I'm thinking " bring that one over here!" But it's too late and the lucky guy puts his arm around her and claims his prize! LOL.

[Banana Boi]

I don't really mind but it's just an awkward feeling when you keep rejecting young women the mamasans keep insisting you take from them.

I have no problems saying no but what I don't like is when a mamasan brings you a girl you actually think is attractive but you literally just finished a session 5 minutes ago. I always tell the girl I just finished and will take her later but I think the girls have heard that a million times so it doesn't matter if it's the truth. Usually by the time I'm ready again in 30 minutes the girl I wanted is long gone and I usually find another girl before the one I wanted returns.

[Kodja]

(1) I am puzzled about the role of these Mamasans. In other words, we can (and do) select our own girls. It is our choice, not the Mamasans.
Why have them in the first place? For those familiar with Thermae in Bangkok, there are NO Mamasans, and it works great.

The mamasans in the Classic will bring a girl to you. Even if you don't want one they will still bring them over, one by one. You can try a "no thank you" but they still persist. I don't really mind but it's just an awkward feeling when you keep rejecting young women the mamasans keep insisting you take from them. Usually they get the hint and leave you alone after several rejections so you can do you own browsing if you wish. However if you give the mamasan a description of what you want you may get lucky and she brings the exact girl over without having the difficult task of searching for the right one through the darkness of the place.

Often as I was sitting at my table I was impressed with some of the girl choices the mamasans would bring to neighboring tables, sometimes they were rejected but mostly they were accepted by the punter sitting there.

(2) Just curious, how the Mamasan is compensated? Do they earn a fixed % from what the girl earns?
If they earn a commission from the girls earnings, then it explains their aggression.

The mamasans are just doing their job I presume. They are pushy as the pushy ones often get the business.

(3) Is it a good idea to tip the Mamasan as soon as you enter (to keep her away)? If yes, is 100 K a "decent" tip OR is it too high/low?

I have never tipped a mamasan and probably never will particularly in the Classic, however once I hooked up with a younger mamasan from the Malio lounge and we had dinner, karaoke and back to my hotel for FS. It was a good night however she expected something like 3 Million RP payment afterwards. I gave her some money but nothing like she asked.

[Banana Boi]

(3) Is it a good idea to tip the Mamasan as soon as you enter (to keep her away)? If yes, is 100 K a "decent" tip OR is it too high/low?

A place like Classic or Travel have 10-15 mamasans working on a busy night. Will cost you 1. 5 million to keep them all away!

The mamasans are bothersome until they get to know you. Don't be a pushover in these bars. After a week some will leave you alone and some will be your best friends. AFAIK, each girl is attached to a mamasan. If a mamasan doesn't work neither does the girl. Read what you want into that I'm not saying it. AFAIK the 365 k is split 3 ways between the bar, mamasan, and the girl. In fact, it could be the girl gets less than 1/3. That's why if I have a good girl I tip her 100 or 200 k. Never tip the mamasan she already makes enough and she will never leave you alone if you tip her. Classic and Travel are so dark that these mamasans can actually be helpful pulling a girl sitting in some dark corner. Happened with me at Classic. I have a favorite mamasan at Classic. I just hang out with her and her girls. Never given her any business but she helps protect me from annoying mamas with a bad group of girls. Smoothy can correct me on any of this. This is just hearsay from my nearly 2 months in Jakarta so far this year.

[BKKguru]

<snip>
As I entered the room I knew if I stood there like a rabbit in the headlights I would be pounced on by the aggressive mamasans so I briskly walked to the left <snip>
By this time a girl was standing next to me that the mamasan had brought over.

Thanks for posting your experience.

(1) I am puzzled about the role of these Mamasans. In other words, we can (and do) select our own girls. It is our choice, not the Mamasans.
Why have them in the first place? For those familiar with Thermae in Bangkok, there are NO Mamasans, and it works great.

(2) Just curious, how the Mamasan is compensated? Do they earn a fixed % from what the girl earns?
If they earn a commission from the girls earnings, then it explains their aggression.

(3) Is it a good idea to tip the Mamasan as soon as you enter (to keep her away)? If yes, is 100 K a "decent" tip OR is it too high/low?

Thanks again,
~BKKguru